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May 24 2025
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 Gilbert, AZ
Sky Islands Summit Challenge, AZ 
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ddgrunningTriplogs 604
Hiking20.43 Miles 5,916 AEG
Hiking20.43 Miles   8 Hrs   32 Mns   2.51 mph
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During a work meeting earlier in the week with an individual from Sierra Vista, the topic of hiking came up, and she encouraged me to look at the Huachucas for some great hiking opportunities. As I was looking through HAZ resources and Googling, I came across this event and realized it was scheduled to take place that weekend.

Of course, registration had long since closed, but on a lark, I decided to email the organizers and see if there was a chance to still register. To my surprise, I received a phone call later that day, and on Wednesday signed up for the event.

The challenge is capped at 250 entrants and offers three levels: One Summit (Carr Peak--9,230 11.2 miles), Double Summit (Carr Peak and Miller Peak--9,465 ft, 15 miles), or Elite Triple Summit (Carr, Miller, and Pat Scott Peak--8,517 ft, 18.1 mi.). We, of course, signed up for the Triple. :D

Drove down to Sierra Vista after work on Friday and made it just in time for the bib pick up, which was at the golf course and included dinner and the opportunity to hit some balls on the driving range. It was a beautiful evening with the setting sun lighting up some clouds over the mountains to the west.

Bibs and swag bag secured, we headed to our motel for a few hours of shut eye.

Bus departure for the Triple was a 4:20 am, with a scheduled start at the Ramsey Canyon Nature Preserve at 5 a.m. Predawn light offered limited visibility of wild turkeys high up in the trees squawking rather loudly.

Over half of the entrants were signed up for the triple. While billed as a hike (rather than a trail run), there were several trail runners signed up and they took off up front. The first half mile or so is road width as you head through the preserve past a couple of historical cabins and some huge maple trees and other foliage which I'm sure make for a fantastic fall colors hike. The wide road at the start also helped with sorting folks out into hiking speeds. At that point, we arrived at the Hamburg trail proper, and the trail was reduced to a single track. So, passing was a little more difficult, but it never felt particularly crowded. That said, I took fewer photos than usual because I didn't want to pass and then have to re-pass folks.

Past a look out point, the trail descends back to and along the creekbed, which only had pools given the dry winter (but would be fun and more beautiful in wetter years).

At the turn off for the Pat Scott Canyon trail, the Triples hung a right, while the Single and Doubles continued on Hamburg. From there, any congestion was basically done for the day.

5 miles and over 3K in elevation gained, we arrived at peak #1--Pat Scott Peak (which is on a different high point than the erroneously noted location on the topo map). There is no official trail to the peak itself, so the final climb to the summit involved a relatively steep but short off-trail scramble, from which our two other peaks on the day came into view. After a short break and a stamp in our summit "passport" book, we descended back to the Crest trail and wound back around to reconnect with terminus of the Hamburg Trail where we rejoined the Single and Double hikers.

The next section along the Crest Trail offered our first open views of the valley floor to the west an south into Mexico. Somewhere along this section, my phone must have pinged from a Mexican cell tower prompting a text from Verizon welcoming me to Mexico. :lol:

At the Carr Peak trail, we hung a left and contoured/climbed an open bowl area up to a switchback climb to the summit of peak #2--Carr Peak. This section offered the best views of Miller on the day. The Carr Summit provided panoramic views down to Sierra Vista and off to the northern edge of the Huachucas. It was also pretty windy on the summit, but the breeze was generally welcome and kept any heat in check.

Then we backtracked to Crest and continued a short distance to Bathtub Spring, where we hung a right for our final peak. The trail here starts out with a gradual contouring climb, which made the elevation manageable. It steepens at the final spur to the summit, but wasn't as bad as I was anticipating.

Peak #3--the Miller summit is the high point of the range and is a beautifully shaped peak with a solid green carpet of aspens on its north-east facing slope. Great views into Mexico and all around from the top. I didn't realize that Miller is in the top 10-15 peaks in Arizona in terms of elevation (depending on how many of the SF peaks you "count")--higher than Mt. Lemmon or Wrightson, and cracks the top 10 in terms of prominence. However ranked, it's a lovely peak.

At the Miller summit, our climbing was more or less done for the day, with total AEG approaching 6,000. And while we were glad to be going down, the downhill grind also exacts its own price. :sweat:

The lower part of Miller Canyon had lots of greenery, which I'm sure I'd enjoy more if not for the prior 17+ miles of work. But as is typical in most long hikes, the last 2 miles are always 5 miles long. : wink : Add to that the increasing temperatures (upper 80s/lower 90s at the TH), and we were glad to hit the finish line around 1:40 pm, where a shuttle bus ferried us a mile or two down the dirt road to where the busses could pick us up.

We bussed back to the start where our bibs gained us "free" entry into the wine/spirits festival with free drinks included. We don't drink, but most others on our bus were excited for some celebratory beers.

We planned to stay Saturday night as well, so we headed back to our motel for a well-deserved shower an nap. Then we hit dinner at Texas Roadhouse and decided to take in the newly released Mission Impossible movie. I generally like the series and it was worth a watch, but not as good as I was hoping. The movie was interrupted at a critical moment (when global electricity is shut down and the screen goes dark) when the fire alarm in the theater went off. For a while, we thought it was part of the movie/release schtick, but turned out to just be your regular teenagers pulling the alarm. After the FD came and restored order, we went back in and finished the show.

Having been up since 3:30 that morning, we crashed hard after the movie and awoke for a leisurely drive back to the Valley Sunday morning.

I'm not usually drawn into paying for hiking events, but this was pretty fun and certainly allowed us to see more of the Huachucas in one trip than we would have been able to do otherwise.
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Hiking12.37 Miles 3,615 AEG
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Left NW Tucson with Tim around 6 am. Drove my RWD Chevy Colorado up Carr Canyon but couldn't make it all the way to the top of the road because of the condition of the road. 4x4 is really needed on at least 2 sections near the top. We decided to park the truck on the side of the road and just hike from here. We knew it would add some extra miles but we felt we could make and had lamps which we needed for the final part of the hike. It ended up being 1.9 miles to Ramsey Vista campground at the top, so 3.8 miles additional had we been able to drive to the top of the road.

We starting hiking on Carr Canyon rd at 8 am. The elevation at our starting point was about 7,150 feet. We took the following route up.

walk up 1.9 miles of Carr canyon road
Comfort Spring Trail # 109
Hamburg Trail # 122
Pat Scott Canyon Trail # 123
Crest Trail # 103

There was a good amount of down hill hiking on the Comfort Spring Trail. At the junction with the Hamburg trail there were signs marking all trails that intersected. The Pat Scott Canyon trial was shaded by many pines and pleasant with a lot of soft pine needles making the trail easier to hike. We got to the saddle and junction with the Crest trail at around 11:50 am. Pat Scott North was about 1/4 mile North of us but we decided to stop at the saddle for lunch and a long well-deserved break. After lunch we continued on to Pat Scott North. I thought about hiking Pat Scott "South" on the way back if there was time. It was only about 1 extra mile out of the way and I wasn't sure if I even wanted to do it on this trip because this hike was going to be very long.

We continue North on the Crest trail. I summitted Pat Scott North which was only a few minute hike above the Crest trail. Tim stayed below since he already did this summit a few months before. I signed the registry, took some photos, and got back on the Crest trail heading North. We took this trail about 1/2 mile North of Pat Scott North peak. We knew we would need to head East somewhere in this area to get to Ramsey peak. We didn't see any signs or obvious trails but we did see a barbed wire fence that separated Forest service land with the Huachuca Military base land. We turned right here and followed the fence line up for a while. We eventually saw a use trail or perhaps an old unmaintained trail heading in the direction of Ramsey peak. We followed that for a while, losing the trail at times and picking up other trails that led in the same basic direction. Because we saw multiple trails we thought these must be animal trails. In some areas we saw what looked like bear prints in soft dirt areas leading around the mountain or up. In some places we found ourselves bushwhacking but realized we were better off staying North of the ridgeline, so we dropped back down. There were only a few places where we could actually see Ramsey peak because there was so much tree cover blocking the way.

Eventually we found ourselves at the actual summit. There was a rock pile with a registry and some great views to the South. To the Southeast we were able to see Carr peak and the highest point in the range, Miller peak, which was behind Carr. We had already logged 8.9 miles to this point and knew by the time we finished this hike, we would be at nearly 18 miles. After signing the registry and getting our photos/videos and taking a long break, we finally left the summit around 3 pm. We had a long way to go to get back but we were prepared with head lamps.

On the way back, we stopped for a few short water breaks and a longer break back at the Pat Scott canyon trail junction around 4:30 pm. Then, we continued heading down the Pat Scott canyon trail. After a while, we saw some water flow in the canyon and some larger pools. We were getting low on water so we decided to stop to filter some more drinking water. I filled up an entire 1/2 gallon jug in a few minutes and filter about 1 quart for Tim. We keep moving on. It was very humid in the canyon with no breeze at all, which slowed our pace. At around 6:25 we intersected with the Hamburg trail and then a few minutes later reached the Comfort Spring trail. The Comfort Spring trail was a bit rocky, and there was a lot of uphill to do. We were already tired at this point, but we kept pressing forward, taking a lot of short water breaks on the way. We turned our headlamps on right before 8 pm and had another half mile of trail to do before reaching the road / Ramsey Vista campground area. Nobody was camped up here today. We didn't see a single person on the trails all day.

After getting to the road, my headlamp went out and we only had 1 light between the 2 of us. We were incredible tired at this point, but we still had 1.9 miles left of road hiking. We took our time in the dark, and took a few needed water breaks. We could feel the humidity, even as late as 9 pm. We eventually made it back to my truck around 9:20 pm. It was a very long day.

After the hike we stopped at McDonald's and each got a $5 McDouble combo meal + an extra McDouble. I haven't had McDonald's food in years and was honestly impressed by the relatively good value in the Bidenonmics era. The $5 combo meal came with 1 McDouble, a small fry, 4 chicken nuggets, and a drink. The extra McDouble was something like $3.39. The entire bill for both of us was under $16 which was a surprise. But, my "go to" burger is still the old reliable and customizable flame broiled BK Whopper!

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Distance (round trip) = 17.84 miles
AEG = 4,251 feet
Strava moving time = 9 hrs 37 mins
Strava elapsed time = 13 hrs 24 mins
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Sky Islands Summit Challenge 2023, AZ 
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astrobrewerTriplogs 196
Hiking15.83 Miles 4,907 AEG
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Hiked the Sky Islands Summit Challenge for the third year in a row. This is an annual event put on by the City of Sierra Vista each spring. They provide buses/vans from the city to the start in Ramsey Canyon and from the finish in Miller Canyon back again. They have three options which are one, two or three peaks that they rate as "Difficult", "Very Difficult" and "Extremely Difficult". My first two times I picked the "Difficult" single peak challenge which goes to Carr Peak, but this time I decided to challenge myself with the two peak hike which adds Miller Peak. There were about 180 people total participating this year, most doing either 1 peak or 3 peaks with only 37 people signed up for the 2 peak challenge.

The hike started in Ramsey Canyon Preserve. Ramsey Canyon is a beautiful forest area with a stream. The two peak group started at 6:15. The 3 peak folks had started an hour or so earlier, and the single peak group would start an hour later. The trail goes up from the start and gets the heart pumping. At the end of the preserve it turns into the Hamburg Trail which is initially all stairs and switchbacks which is hard work. After a bunch of climbing and sweating we reach an overlook and take in the view. From here the trail descends and gives up most of the hard won elevation we just gained. This downhill segment lets us catch our breath. As we head down we can hear a stream below that we eventually reach and cross. There was definitely more water this time than the last two years, but not so much as to make it difficult to cross.

The trail crosses the stream several times as we begin to ascend the canyon. Interestingly the water seemed to start and stop. Most of the stream crossings we had to step on stones to cross the water, but some places the stream bed was dry. Then further up the canyon there would be water again. The trail gets steeper and steeper as it follows the stream. We stopped a few times to rest on the way up. Eventually the trail leaves the bottom of the canyon and heads up the canyon wall. It's steeper and it seems to go on forever, but at least it's cool and shady. Eventually we reach the Crest Trail at Bear Saddle which provides a view of the land to the West of the Huachucas.

After munching down on an energy bar and chugging some electrolyte juice at the saddle we continue on the Crest Trail #103 which is part of the Arizona Trail. The trail is more or less level for a while as it traverses the western edge of the mountain toward the South which is a nice change after the long, long climb to get there. The views to the west here are just stunning. Then the trail heads into the forest for a series of switchbacks that take us up and over the ridge where we get our first view of Carr and Miller Peaks.

At the ridge line we turn left on Carr Peak Trail #107. There are few big trees here on this side of the mountain because of a big fire that burned through some years ago. The trail climbs gently over about a mile and a half until we reach the spur to the peak. The spur is a bit steeper, but it's short and before long we're on top of Carr Peak where we check in, receive peak stickers for our water bottles and stamps for our passports to show we made it. Great view of Sierra Vista to the north, and of Miller Peak, our next destination, to the south.

We retrace our route back along Carr Peak Trail and then start heading downhill towards the aptly named Bathtub Spring where we turn right to stay on the Crest Trail. The spring was running and the tub was overflowing. The next mile or so was more or less level which was easy walking and helped my legs recover. Miller Peak is only a couple hundred feet higher than Carr Peak, but we descended quite a way and have nearly 1000 feet of elevation gain to get to Miller Peak. Now it's nearly noon, the trail is in sunlight and it's hard work. Eventually we reach the junction with Miller Peak Trail #105 which is a short spur that takes us to the peak where we get another sticker and stamp and an opportunity to catch our breath before the long hike down.

After a short break we start back down and retrace our route to Bathtub Spring. While it was a long climb up here, the footing is good and the slope is gentle enough that we can keep up a decent pace. From Bathtub Spring it's down the long, steep and miserable Miller Canyon Trail #106. There are several stretches that are steep and rocky and have to be taken slowly to avoid falling. Even though I had done this trail twice before, it still seemed to go on much longer than I remembered. As we headed down we saw a helicopter head up to the ridge where we had been to rescue a hiker in trouble. We also passed a couple of men from the Frye Fire Dept who were heading up Miller Canyon to assist a hiker. I heard people saying that at least three hikers needed to be rescued. Busy day for paramedics in the Huachucas. Thankfully my friends and I were not among those needing assistance.

When we reached the end of the trail a van was there in minutes to take us to the staging area farther down Miller Canyon, and from there a bus took us back to Veterans Memorial Park where the annual wine and beer festival was in full swing. Participants in the Summit Challenge all received two free drink tickets, and after a long day of hiking that beer tasted great!

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Pat Scott - Carr loop, AZ 
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Hiking13.45 Miles 3,850 AEG
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linda invited me to do this loop in the huachucas
we got going around 0715
cool temps in the lower elevations
comfort springs, hamburg, pat scott canyon to the crest trail
we hit both pat and patricia scott peaks :lol:
continued on the crest trail to carr peak trail
took a nice snack break on carr peak, then down to the campground
saw our first person after we had done the pat scott marked on the topo
her maps had the other peak as pat scott, so we went up that too
chatted with her a bit on carr, where we saw a half dozen other hikers
a few more people toward the finish
good breeze most of the day
water flowing in pat scott canyon
clouds building in the afternoon
nice views from the peaks and from the crest trail
love these sky island ranges :)
thanks for a great hike linda!
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Ramsey Pat Scott Trail, AZ 
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We spent two days in Sierra Vista for hiking. The first day we started in Ramsey Canyon and hiked the Hamburg and Pat Scott Trail. Started out at 9:00 when Ramsey Canyon opened and paid the fee to enter. Temperature was in the upper 30’s when we started. This time of year everything is kind of dormant so the canyon wasn’t as green as it usually is. Only a few people in the canyon when we started.

Beautiful hike up the Hamburg trail along an easy to follow trail. During the first mile you climb 500 feet to an overlook with good views up Ramsey Canyon. It is just a couple hundred yards before the overlook that you leave the private property of Ramsey Canyon and enter National Forest. From the overlook you drop back down into Ramsey Canyon. Moderate flow in the creek almost the whole way to the junction with the Pat Scott Trail. In places it flowed under the surface. Shortly after dropping into the canyon the Brown Canyon trail enters from the North. This is the northern entrance to the Canyon to avoid the fee of Ramsey Canyon, of coarse you have to hike nearly 5 miles from Brown Canyon Ranch. At approximately 2.5 miles in you come to the junction with the Pat Scott trail. We took a break here. The Comfort Spring Trail comes in from the east just before this junction. This is the trail to take if you are hiking the Hamburg or Pat Scott Trails to the ridge (avoid the Ramsey park fees). Mileage to this point is a wash, both about 2.5 miles but you avoid the 500 foot climb out of Lower Ramsey.

After our break we headed up the Pat Scott Trail. Pat Scott creek had a light flow pretty much the whole length. Remnants of past mining along with some of the equipment (boiler, sheds and misc hardware) along the trail. We encountered ice flows alongside the creek in a couple of places and at one spot we had to detour around one that crossed the trail, too slick to cross in just hiking boots. Frozen snow was on the upper portion of the trail on the north facing slopes that didn’t get as much sun. About a half mile from the crest we turned around due to running out of time and not prepared to hike in frozen snow. My boots were fine but Ginny’s were not made for snow. We turned around at about the same spot My first wife Debbie petered out and could go no further, I told her I would be back in a few and did the last .4 miles at a fast pace to the ridge. I didn’t do that this time. Great views of Ramsey peak from the upper portion of this trail.

Great hike with great scenery. Only saw two people on the trail and that was early on (not counting Ramsey Park). My GPS route is kind of messed up at the start so the mileage data is incorrect, probably while I was in the building paying the fee.

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Hamburg Trail #122Tucson, AZ
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Checked out the fall colors. Lots to see but a lot more to go!
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Nice day out with Michelle. Pretty quiet once we left the preserve and was in the wilderness. Hiked to Bear Saddle and the junction of the AZT.
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Pat Scott loop, AZ 
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Nice loop. I think i've been up Pat Scott Peak before but i'm not sure.
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Signed up for the single Peak Challenge again this year, same as last year. Hiked up to the saddle with minimal rest stops. Made pretty good time, but my legs were feeling it. Took an early lunch break at the saddle before continuing the rest of the way, and that helped. It was quite windy at the saddle, and it got windier and windier the close we got to Carr Peak. I had to tighten up the chin strap on my hat to keep from losing it. But sorrow on the peak it wasn't windy at all. Just a pleasant light breeze. But wind was cranking as soon as we started down off the peak.

That 4 mile descent down Miller Canyon is a real bitch. Steep, rocky, and it seems to go on forever. I felt much better than last year when I had to stop many times on the way down just to make it. It also helped that I knew the trail which better prepared me mentally. But my knees were feeling it by the time I got to the bottom.

All in all a great day in the Huachuca Mountains. A very well organized event by the city of Sierra Vista. I will do it again next year for sure!
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Miller Canyon --> Crest --> Pat Scott --> Hamburg --> Crest --> Miller Canyon

Was the first car in the parking lot at 5:50, started hiking at 6am. At the Crest Trail by 8, where I startled ~8 deer not too far from Bathtub Spring. The last time I had hiked this stretch of the Crest Trail was a decade ago when I did the AZT, so I remembered the descent on the west side, but after that my memory was a blank. The stretch from the descent to Bear Saddle was a very pleasant surprise.

From Bear Saddle to Pat Scott was another pleasant surprise. Lovely tree cover and many great views to the west. I had some kind of game bird explode into flight nearly under my feet at one point. Too big to be a quail, but I don't think there are grouse in the Huachucas, so I don't know what it was.

Just before Pat Scott I passed 3 deer within 20 feet of the trail who couldn't have cared less about my presence. Even when I stopped to take a picture, they just continued eating while occasionally looking at me.

Pat Scott sees way less use than the Crest based on the trail condition. I knew the approximate distance of the loop I was doing, but I hadn't looked too closely at the elevation changes. Once I realized how much Pat Scott was dropping, I could tell Hamburg was going to be a fun climb. Sure enough, that's a steep one.

I had lunch at Bear Saddle. Windy with strong gusts, but just the right temperature in the sun. Some ravens showed up to play in the wind gusts doing barrel rolls and flips. I appreciate them giving me a show during my lunch.

Back up at the Crest, I stopped for a water break and noticed that someone had left an Evernew 2.0L bottle at the campsite where Carr & Crest split. It was very new, so I left it there in case they noticed later that day and came back, but that was probably quite the bummer for an AZT thru-hiker.

I thought about doing Carr Peak, but my legs had decided they had had enough AEG for the day. Next time.

As I started down Miller Canyon, I saw 4 people coming down the Crest trail from Miller. Those were the only people I saw all day. I have no idea how so few people were out hiking in the Huachucas on a Saturday with such perfect weather, but it worked out great for me.
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Aug 08 2021
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Ramsey PeakTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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LindaAnnTriplogs 2,600
Hiking13.19 Miles 3,752 AEG
Hiking13.19 Miles   9 Hrs   16 Mns   1.57 mph
3,752 ft AEG      51 Mns Break
 
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Got started a little after 0700 from Ramsey Vista and headed down Comfort Springs Trail. The trail was soft from recent rains, but not muddy. It’s a pleasant walk downhill, with nice views. At Hamburg Mine, we got onto Pat Scott Canyon Trail and started heading back uphill. Not too hot, but very humid.

At the Crest Trail, we headed north after a short break. At the end of the Crest Trail, we veered east, following the barbed wire fence. The off trail kind of sucks, the soil on the north side of the ridge is very loose and you sink into it. Following the top of the ridge is a vegetation nightmare. When I was here four years ago, the was a faint path on the north side of the ridge, but that has pretty much disappeared. Encountered one large, angry rattler not too far from the summit—the damn thing seemed to want to chase me for a moment while I circled wide around it.

Another break at the summit, then headed back down. Clouds were gathering by the time we reached the Crest Trail, and it was cloudy with frequent rumbles of thunder for the last five miles. The rain held off until we reached the trailhead. Fun hike, but I probably won’t bother with Ramsey Peak again.
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Wildflowers Observation Moderate

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Spring box was full, with steady flow of water

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Water throughout most of Pat Scott Canyon
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Jun 25 2021
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 Tucson, AZ
Carr Peak - Comfort Springs LoopTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jun 25 2021
azdesertfatherTriplogs 1,144
Hiking9.20 Miles 2,730 AEG
Hiking9.20 Miles   4 Hrs   20 Mns   2.36 mph
2,730 ft AEG      26 Mns Break15 LBS Pack
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What an awesome hike! Loved this today. Wanted to get in a good hike with views with my buddy Jason, and get out of the desert heat. So many fires burning so many good ranges, feel like options are limited these days. Remembered the Huachucas from doing Arizona Trail segment 1, so glad I did. Amazing views, birds chirping all over the place, and the fresh smell of pine in many places. Honestly I think this is one of my favorite ranges in the state. There were a couple of spots where we saw vestiges of illegal activity…oddly places pieces of clothing that upon closer looks revealed unofficial trails, and empty Mexican electrolyte bottles, but not too bad.

Ramsey Vista campground is so nice in that you start hiking at 7200 feet, so no hiking down to lower elevations in the heat of the day. Did the loop clockwise which was a good choice, though there were some warm, exposed spots near the end that were a little toasty even at 7000 ft.

Carr Peak is totally bare and exposed, unreal views. So much of this loop has incredible views, as you get a 360 view from beginning to end.

Surprised by how the AZT was almost totally unmarked in the section we did, especially with all the trails it crosses in that section.

Also surprised that we didn’t run into a single hiker the entire day. Granted it was a Friday, but still! This time of year?! With the limited options we have around Tucson?
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Comfort Spring offered no comfort yet again today
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May 29 2021
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 Phoenix, AZ
Hamburg Trail #122Tucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
Hiking avatar May 29 2021
astrobrewerTriplogs 196
Hiking12.48 Miles 4,274 AEG
Hiking12.48 Miles   8 Hrs      1.83 mph
4,274 ft AEG   1 Hour   10 Mns Break
 
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The Sky Island Summit Challenge. I did the single summit challenge which was to Carr Peak. I found it challenging, and feel great about finishing. The challenge event was run by the city of Sierra Vista and they did a great job! Very well organized.

The hike started started at The Nature Conservancy Ramsey Canyon Preserve. The city took us there on buses. The hike went up Hamburg Trail, then the Carr Peak Trail, and back down Miller Canyon Trail where cans shuttled us back to our cars. The double and triple summit challenge hikers started earlier in the day.

The trail was really pretty. It went through beautiful forest in Ramsey Canyon. Then it started going up a grueling series of switch backs which started spreading the group out. Then it went back down into the canyon for a while which was much less step and a pleasant relief. But that didn't last as eventually we had to climb out of the canyon. The climb seemed endless and my legs were definitely feeling it. But finally we made it to Bear Saddle where the Hamburg Trail meets the Crest Trail. The view from the saddle was amazing. We rested there a bit before continuing on.

The next leg along the Saddle Trail started out fairly level with great views. It was also in the sun. The Hamburg Trail had been in shady forest, but now we were walking in the sun. Then the trail climbed with a series of switchbacks to the junction with the Carr Peak Trail. This trail climbed gently for a little under a mile to the short spur trail that led to the Peak. Fantastic view from the top. Well worth it.

The return had us retrace our path back to the Crest Trail, then down the Miller Canyon Trail which was one endless step downhill slog. Passed lots of folks in Miller Canyon who were complaining about their knees and generally struggling. My legs were stiff and sore, but eventually made it to the pick up point.

Overall this was a fun hike through beautiful mountains. Thank you to the city of Sierra Vista for organizing this great experience! I will definitely do this again.
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Apr 23 2021
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 Phoenix, AZ
Carr - Miller - Ramsey Loop, AZ 
Carr - Miller - Ramsey Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Apr 23 2021
LJWTriplogs 266
Hiking22.79 Miles 5,900 AEG
Hiking22.79 Miles   8 Hrs   57 Mns   2.96 mph
5,900 ft AEG   1 Hour   15 Mns Break
 
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Second time in the Huachucas. Threw together a loop that'd see more Crest and get me on top of Ramsey and the brothers Pat Scott. Had a go from the Sawmill TH around 6am. Road is probably doable in low clearance, but I wouldn't if it were my investment.

Sawmill Trail up to Carr Peak Trail. Really just a connector for those of us looking to save a few minutes driving time. Most reliable spring en route was putting out a decent flow and should be for a couple months more.

Carr Peak trail swings up the mountain quickly. Good tread, least tree cover on the day. Carr Peak views hazy in the early morning. Offers the best angle on Miller and time to wonder about the ubiquitous zeppelin down in the foothills.

Down Carr to Crest then out and back to Miller. More good tread this time through the surviving forest of fir and pine. Up the ridge steeper and steeper as it nears the Miller Peak Trail. Passes through a huge, young grove of aspen. There is a lot to see along this loop come autumn, expanding my search for this year outside of Ramsey Canyon. Half the elevation gain is out of the way by the time Miller summit comes. Best views of day, apart from maybe Ramsey.

Crest all the way back to the Carr jct. Clouds started to coalesce over the mountains. Kept going to the Hamburg jct and the track became unfamiliar. Perfect weather for the money stretch of Crest Trail. From Granite Mountain to the end of Crest at the Fort Huachuca border, I'm not sure there's better hiking in the state. It is as good as anywhere. Shady in the fir, cold breeze, and warm intermittent sunlight. Will never take Wisconsin Canyon down again, it is so worth it to loop around to Pat Scott Canyon.

Got Pat Scott #1 on the way to Ramsey and #2 on the way back. #1 is several times better than #2, which is marked as Pat Scott Peak on most maps. Weather increasingly dramatic as I started the climb up Ramsey.

The topos I looked through differed on the whether or not there is a trail to Ramsey, and it turned out there isn't one. Ascending Ramsey was probably the hardest part of the loop. It is easiest to summit if you stay north of the ridgeline, otherwise it is a good bushwhack. Unfortunately, this involves trespassing onto military property. If stepping 50ft into the seldom traveled upper reaches of military land is a deal breaker, I would say the peak cannot be summited using the ridge I did. The only person I met all day was on the summit tinkering with a ham radio when I got there. He came straight up the ridgeline from the preserve, a shorter, more difficult, and legal route. I asked what he made of the military border, and he shrugged. There are no signs marking it, no signs forbidding passage, only a fence line that is broken where the deer cross and somebody has marked the route by hanging reflective yellow flags from tree limbs.

Pat Scott Canyon back down. Just as good as Wisconsin Canyon. Firs, pines, oaks, maples. Really might make a good fall loop if the timing is right. The canyons in the Huachucas steep as anything, but Pat Scott makes easy work of the quick descent.

After that Hamburg for about 5 minutes before Comfort Springs. Beautiful woods on the backside of Carr. Second hardest part of the day was ascending Comfort springs and getting back out of the canyon. Once down around the Hamburg Mine, there was still ~1200 feet to gain. Pushed through that last section looping back around. Only saw the one hiker, not too busy up there. Temps from 40s-70s.
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Wildflowers Observation Isolated
Some on Carr Peak, some near Miller Peak. Nothing good.

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Nov 16 2020
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 Jackson, CA
Ramsey Canyon LoopTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 16 2020
toddakTriplogs 577
Hiking11.15 Miles 3,501 AEG
Hiking11.15 Miles   5 Hrs   30 Mns   2.03 mph
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Back for more Huachuca goodness. Quality loop with nice Fall colors and flowing water along lower Ramsey and Pat Scott. The Preserve is currently only open from 9 to 4 and the visitor center is closed, put your fee in the box.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial
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Nov 12 2020
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Comfort/Carr/Ramsey, AZ 
Comfort/Carr/Ramsey, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Nov 12 2020
Nobody01Triplogs 35
Hiking5.20 Miles
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Started out at Ramsey Vista Campground and hiked to the Ramsey Canyon Preserve where my ride awaited. The comfort springs trail is nice, few slick spots as you're hiking down the last leg of the trail into Ramsey Canyon, but overall a very nice and cruisy single track. Once down into the canyon I made a right heading northeast along the Hamburg trail. This pathway is also in great shape with excellent signage. Being ahead of schedule I slowed down quite a bit through the canyon to take in the smells and fall color of the canyon. You'll get about a mile of solid fall color until the trail begins it's short climb out and then back down to the Ramsey Canyon Preserve. Managed to scare a pretty big sow and her cub, twice (pretty sure it was the same bear/cub) on my hike. Other than the black bear, lots of Coues White Tail and squirrels and I think either a coyote or a fox.

For the most part my hike was enjoyed in solitude, saw one other person coming down into Ramsey Canyon as I was exiting, maybe 5-10 people doing the loop in the preserve, and probably 20+ congregating near the Conservancy Center and complaining about the 'freezing cold' 55 degree temps.

Good hike, wish it were about three to four miles longer and I had a bit more time to spare. There is always next year.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial
At the higher elevations it's done. The maples are faded/brown or it went from green to drop (see photos). Down in Ramsey Canyon things are prime, good time to go.

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The spring box was dry.
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Jul 25 2020
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Lutz Canyon Trail #104Tucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
Hiking avatar Jul 25 2020
toddakTriplogs 577
Hiking19.50 Miles 7,000 AEG
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7,000 ft AEG
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Nice figure-8 route on a mostly overcast monsoon day. Up Lutz to the Crest, up Miller and Carr Peaks, around on Comfort Springs, back up on Hamburg, down Miller and out to Hunter trailhead. Bike shuttle back to Lutz trailhead. Good water at 2 springs plus light creek flow in two places along Comfort and also in Miller Canyon.

Every trail I've done so far in the Huachucas has been outstanding - I'll be back!
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full, clear tub

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Jun 07 2020
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 Tucson, AZ
Carr Miller Hamburg Loop, AZ 
Carr Miller Hamburg Loop, AZ
 
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Mountain_RatTriplogs 257
Hiking14.00 Miles 4,000 AEG
Hiking14.00 Miles   7 Hrs   40 Mns   2.10 mph
4,000 ft AEG   1 Hour    Break13 LBS Pack
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Linda and I got started a little before 08:00 to wonderful temps and a stout breeze. Though pretty mellow, the climb begins immediately all the way to Carr. By the time we arrived at the spur to Carr peak, we had absorbed enough solar radiation to have broken a bit of a sweat, and were now rounding the corner into the shade and a stiff wind. Though it was a short go, it was pretty biting, then as we topped out the atmosphere turned absolutely perfect, sunny, calm & cool. We didn't stay long as we had a long way to go and I was already lagging, so we headed over to the Crest to make our way to Miller. I really loved this section; great views, largely shaded, protected from the wind, level-ish. Soon enough, we were on the ascent again, and not long before reaching Miiler, I was already running on fumes. It was at this point that I secretly tethered myself to Linda's pack and just let her tow me along. Every now and again I would carry my own weight so as to not raise too much suspicion. At the peak we encountered 3 humans just sitting there. Strangely, they didn't seem at all afraid of us, so we just calmly bypassed, being careful not to startle them as they continued their foraging.
After a break at the peak, it was time to get rolling. The trip so far had be rather rough on me, as I was not feeling too wonderful, so I was really looking forward to the downhill side. The trip back took us down the Hamburg Trail into Wisconsin Canyon, which has got to be in the top 3 most beautiful canyons in SoAZ. It's a massive, steep, dense, green ecosystem that will drop your jaw. Pretty soon we were on the Comfort Spring Trail, the final stretch. I had long since run out of gas and Linda was simply dragging my lifeless body behind her up the final incline, yet unaware of the tether between us. Once back to the TH, I kissed the level ground as Linda and I said our goodbyes.
Another beautiful day above the 7,000 ft mark, over incredible trails, in excellent weather and in the finest of company.
Thanks Linda for makeing the long trip.
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