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Limestone Trail #252 - Spur Cross - 23 members in 72 triplogs have rated this an average 3.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Feb 22 2025
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 Phoenix, AZ
Sugarloaf Mountain - Spur CrossPhoenix, AZ
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ShatteredArmTriplogs 356
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A few years back, some friends accidently ended up on top of Sugarloaf Mountain after making the mistake of putting the wrong person in charge of navigation. Someone proposed intentionally climbing the mountain, and as I had missed the previous adventure, I decided to join.

Intentionally climbing the mountain means you can make a more informed decision as to which approach to take, and we chose the southwest ridge. This worked out pretty well most of the way up, although the last 200 feet or so was quite steep and involved some hanging onto things. Once on the top, it was a straightforward trek over to the east end of the mountain, where the best view can be found.

On the way down, I thought it would be nice to go around that steep section, so I started down a crease just to the east. The path of least resistance took me to the top of a long scree field, which looked a little sketchy, but turned out to be very stable. This is probably the best route in retrospect.

Once down to Trail 252, we proceeded east to make a loop. There was still water in Limestone Spring.

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Jan 12 2025
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Limestone Spring loop, AZ 
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No plan sort of day, headed out to Spur Cross to check out Trail 252 after a 6+ year absence. Uneventful to the junction. Once on Limestone Trail I noticed it's in much better shape than I remembered. This used to be a pretty rough trail. I actually saw some hikers at Limestone Spring, in the old days I would've never seen anybody back there.

Surprisingly Limestone Spring had decent flow, enough to muddy up the trail. Page spring was dry as a bone.

At the turn towards Tortuga Tr, I decided to head up the Peterson Spring spur to check it out. A decade ago I went up there, but couldn't recall what it was like. I may not have made it all the way, because the spring area was nicer than I remembered. The spring box at the bottom of the drainage was dry, but the catchment up above on the west bench had water.

From there, took a beeline back to Spur Cross.

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I had a noon turnaround time and a minute later I headed back to my vehicle. Lessons learned, I'll need more than 3 hrs.,long pants, and one hiking pole. Sugarloaf attempt was fun. The ridgeline you aren't on always looks better until you are on it. I forgot how much I liked this area. Luckily, I was able to find 2 dollar bills,2 quarters and 5 dimes. I didn't cry today, but I could have if I wanted to.
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Jewel of the Spur Cross, AZ 
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I wanted to check out the flora and water situation out in the Spur Cross area.

Starting from the Jewel of the Creek Preserve TH, you could hear Cave Creek running almost immediately. This is a special little riparian area.

Dragonfly Trail to the Spur Cross Trail to the Elephant Mountain Trailto Limestone Trail. The farther in, the more diverse and plentiful the flowers were.

I took a brief break at the Elephant Mountain saddle to cool off in the breeze before jumping on the Limestone Trail. Limestone could use a bit of trimming as it does not get a lot of traffic.

Back down at Cave Creek the Good Friday family crowd was enjoying playing in and around the water.

The rest was just a jaunt back to the TH.
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Page Spring - Spur Cross Dripping Dripping
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Springbox is full
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Feb 04 2023
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 Mesa, AZ
Elephant Mountain Trail - Spur CrossPhoenix, AZ
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I hadn't hiked the Elephant Mt. trail a good 20 years, and my memories were of it being extremely steep with very loose scree. This turned out to be much easier than I remember. Good idea to go back to trails after so many years (decades?) to refresh your memory.

I met Brian at the Spur Cross TH at about 6:30am. It was still very dark and just windy enough to want to wear gloves, which I took off after a half mile, as usual. We did a clockwise loop from Spur Cross on the Spur Cross Trail to Elephant Mt, then Limestone to Cave Creek and back to the TH. On the way out to the bottom of the Elephant Mt trail, we met several trail runners who were running the Aravaipa race that day, which was either a 50 or 35 MILE route from the CCRA. :o

At the saddle of the Elephant Mt Trail we took the "closed area" spur to the lower peak and checked out the views and the ruins. The views there were the highlight of the day. From that peak there were good views to check the route to the Elephant Mt summit, which looked doable, although still challenging. the visible trail at the bottom was encouraging. 20 years ago I don't know that any of these trails or routes existed, but I may have easily missed them if they were there as I was a novice then.

Once we got down off Elephant Mt we headed out on the Limestone Trail which we almost immediately regretted since it's so rocky and slow going. the further we got along, the more I remembered from my previous hikes the last 4 years. My main takeaway was that I knew why I decided to do this route clockwise so that we weren't burnt out by the time we got to the base of Elephant Mt.

We only saw 2 hikers on Limestone, a couple with their dog who were from out of state visiting. On the Cave creek trail on the way back we ran into several people, many of whom asked for directions to the trails they wanted to get to. It was very strange that the temperature along the Cave Creek Trail seemed cooler than the higher elevations on the Limestone.

We finished up around noon and I had lunch at the picnic tables there before I headed out. Very nice weather for the day and very cool to check out an area I had never been to before.
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 Phoenix, AZ
Spur Cross LoopPhoenix, AZ
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A beautiful spring day hike with my Grandson. Lots of folks hiking and riding horses on this Saturday but we soon left the hordes behind after passing the intersection of the Tortuga and Elephant Mountain trails as we progressed around the loop in a clockwise direction. There have been times in the past when the Limestone Trail was difficult to follow being partially overgrown and with confusing side trails. But today the trail was easy to follow and most of the side trails had a row of rocks placed across them at the intersections making it clear which one was the correct trail to follow. There are some steep rocky sections of the Limestone Trail which required a great amount of caution and the welcome use of my trekking poles to safely cross them. However my nimble footed Grandson was not deterred and scampered through these sections with ease. As usual we were on the lookout for birds but saw few that hung around long enough for photos. Unfortunately there was a complete absence of wild flowers which I had expected to start showing by now. Once reaching the Spur Cross Trail along Cave Creek we again encountered the hordes including at least 3 long strings of horseback riders, none of which looked accustomed to this mode of transportation.
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Jan 11 2022
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 Cave Creek, AZ
Limestone Trail Loop, AZ 
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I had a nice little hike planned with a gentleman this morning but he called in sick. :( I still needed to hike but had no desire to get out of bed. So I mustered up a little motivation, [ youtube video ] and headed on out. I went up Cave Creek and did a CCW loop using Limestone Trail #252. Every time I hike on this trail I say "never again" because the tread is so bad. The beautiful views and solitude always bring me back though.

I stopped at Limestone Spring to catch my breath and then slogged over the saddle and down towards Page Spring. Just after the spring I picked up a cholla grenade on my instep which required un-booting and de-stickering my foot. I would have been screwed without my tweezers.

I got off trail for a bit after that but soon found my way again thanks to Route Scout and the footprints of @Nightstalker 's posse and harem which came through here a couple of weeks ago.

I saw that the desert was starting to leaf out and things should really start looking good in about another month. The parking lot enlargement and upgrades with new curbs looks complete and they have also built a new signed trail from the upper parking lot to the lower lot and TH at the "Jewel Of The Creek" so folks don't have to walk on the road.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Cave Creek - SPRCA Light flow Light flow
Still decent flow from all the rain two weeks ago.
Crossing is easy if you find the right rocks.


water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Limestone Spring - Spur Cross Dripping Dripping
Dry spring box but likely due to a pipe issue. Ground saturated just to the north at the true source in the trees.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Page Spring - Spur Cross Dripping Dripping
Full spring box with slight over-flow going downstream.
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Spur Cross Limestone Loop, AZ 
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Did the loop counter clockwise this morning. Lots of water in Cave Creek made the crossings a challenge. Limestone trail 252 was much easier to follow than I remember from past hikes. Lots of cars in the parking lot. Gate attendant collection the $3 entry fee. He told me I could use my Maricopa Parks Pass for entry, which had not been my understanding, but I'm happy to use it. Great day for a hike. Threatening clouds but no rain.
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Elephant Mountain Loop Spur Cross, AZ 
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Obligations at home have precluded me from doing much hiking this year so when I learned I'd have today to do something I made it happen. Elephant Mountain is close to home and would give me a much needed workout. @Walkingbambam expressed an interest in doing this hike earlier in the year so I PM'd him last week but he never opened it up. I hope I haven't been put on the "ignore" list by yet another HAZ'r. 8-[

The tread is as awful as ever and they've even added more ankle rollers to the trail to patch up last years erosion. For being a "non-maintained" trail a lot of work has been done to it since I last hiked it. Most noteworthy is the fact that the "Boy Scout" stairs on the east side of the loop have finally been fixed with new rebar and wood where needed. I thought my quads were in good shape from doing squats at home...they're not. :( Those stairs ate my lunch.

I went CW for a change of pace but it was a mistake. Going CCW is a bit steeper but it's better to go up the bad sections of trail than down in my opinion. Lot's of slipping and sliding today! I saw no one on the climb up to the saddle but someone was flying a drone over the "fortress" and the summit of Elephant. What a godawful noise. I stopped for lunch at Ringneck Spring on the north side of the loop. The ground was wet but the area where the hand pump and pipe reside was too overgrown with catclaw to check out. Clippers will be needed.

I find it humorous that they rate this trail as "Double Black Diamond, Extremely Difficult" (sounds like a ski run). :) If a 10 pound overweight 66 year old with COPD can creep around it at 2mph it can't be that tough. HAZ has it at 2.5. I'd rate it a bit harder just due to the tread conditions.

It was nice to get out but it did get very warm quickly. Come on fall!
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The Cottonwoods and Sycamores at the "Jewel of the Creek" are just starting to turn. Two to three weeks till prime.



water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Ringneck Spring Dripping Dripping
Pipe was dripping very slowly. Lots of damp ground.
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Nov 28 2021
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Black and New River Mesas, AZ 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
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It's been awhile, so off to Spur Cross. It'd been almost 10 years to the day that I last hiked this with @Tortoise_Hiker.
Remembering the rocky conditions, I pondered my choices for footwear. The worn out Salomon's, the new but lighter Asics, or new, heavier, but more sturdy Adidas. The Adidas were the correct choice.

47 degrees o start with a calm wind. I was shocked to be only the 4th car in the lot at 7:30ish. Spur Cross -> Tortuga -> Elephant Mountain Trail. Not much has changed here. Easy to follow and hike roads turning to trails.

Once off of Elephant Mountain Trail the trail gets thinner and thinner to the Black Mesa summit. There are cairns most of the way, but the tall grass covers up both the Rock Cairns and the plain ole' hidden rocks. I call them volcanic grapefruit. Those are the ones that play havoc on your ankles.

Up top on Black Mesa, I made my way over to New River Mesa to check it out. On the east rim I found the set of glymphs with various ancient vandalism carved into them, as well as a grinding slick.

I made my way south across Black Mesa, kicking up a white tail. The plan was to exit down south ridgeline towards Sugarloaf Mountain. Part way down I got cliffed out and pondered my choices. Going farther to the west looks like it MIGHT have worked out, but being solo (and an old fart) I opted for the downclimb farther to the East. It was still a steep, slippery and slow off trail down climb.

I ultimately hopped into a canyon/wash that ran into the Elephant Mountain Trail.

I was a little warm at the end of the day with full sun and no breeze. I think I'm done with Black Mesa for another 10 years.
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The last time I hiked out to Rondo Spring was a good 16 years ago, so it seemed like a good time to try again. From the Spur Cross TH I took the Spur Cross and Tortuga Trails, and then took the Trail 252 bypass and then took the Elephant Mountain Trail westbound. Along 252, I tried to take the spur trail up to Peterson Spring, which I had also done 16 years ago. This time, however, I only got a few hundred feet before the trail faded away. I was moving pretty slowly anyway with the rockiness of the trails at the higher elevations here, so I decided to move on.

Before I got to the Elephant Mountain Trail junction, I saw another hiker coming the other way who seemed a little disoriented. he thought a trail junction was just ahead, when in fact it was a good half mile away. I directed him to follow the faint trail and watched to see he was on the right track.

Hiking up to the junction where you can go to Rondo Spring or Black Mesa was hard to follow, harder than when I hiked this trail just last April. The monsoon rains seem to have promoted a lot of grass growth, which made the trail hard to follow and the cairns hard to find.

Once i got to Rondo Spring, I found the Rondo Spring Trail, which heads westbound to New River. I only hiked a small bit of before I headed back. It's a 4 mile hike to the spring from New River, but according to the guide, about half of that is dirt roads. Next time I'll have to try to plan for the longer hike to the end of the single track on this trail.

Took the short way back and called it a day. Slow going along the rocky sections, but a decent hike. Saw a lot more hikers once i was back in the county park area.
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Peterson Spring from Spur Cross, AZ 
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This one has been on my list for a while so I decided to get it done today while Cathy is laid up since she firmly dislikes rocky trails anyway. I've always been attracted to springs, (as well as small shiny objects) and this one has escaped me. I've been by the turnoff several times when on 252 in the Tonto National Forest but never made the climb till now.

I hiked through the Spur Cross Ranch property to get into the TNF and Trail 252. The turnoff is marked by an old cowboy stone with directions chiseled on. There are several of these along the trail marking the different springs accessible from 252 including Limestone, Page, Peterson, Ringneck, and Rondo. Photos of two of them are in my photoset.

The final 1/2 mile up to the spring is rough going and overgrown but well cairned. I had no trouble with route finding at all. Coming back down would have been very difficult except for the fact that I had the smarts and forethought to spray paint red arrows all the way up so I could find my way back. : wink : On the way back down I gave them a second coat for good measure. :)

The area around the spring was lush and beautiful. There was a steady trickle into a full spring box. There is another box upstream and I'm going to assume that was full also. I didn't want to climb any more! There were many large old growth trees at the spring that I assumed were Hackberry but the veining in the leaf I brought home doesn't match up. Any help with an ID would be appreciated as well as another plant in the photoset.
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Some damp sand was it.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Peterson Spring - New River Quart per minute Quart per minute
Steady solid trickle into a full clear spring box.
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I was looking through some old photosets and saw a set from a hike I did in January 2015 [ photoset ] with a couple of nice scenery shots and a couple of seldom seen petroglyphs. Something about that hike captured my interest so off I went to do a repeat and to see if I could find more petroglyphs this time. Although titled Spur Cross Meander, the off-trail meandering part is actually outside the park boundary in the Tonto Nat. Forest. This hike starts out from the Spur Cross parking lot and takes the Tortuga Trail north west continuing on past the turnoff to the Elephant Mountain trail to the Limestone Trail #252 where I turned left and proceeded to the intersection with the Peterson Spring Trail. At that location I started off trail to climb to the top of a ridge which angles northwest towards the base of Black Mesa. I found the 2 petroglyphs from my January 2015 hike along this ridge top but was unsuccessful at finding any more. There was an occasional small pottery sherd scattered here and there along the ridge top but no evidence of any rock walled habitations.

As I concluded in my triplog from the Jan 8, 2015, hike: "It was a pleasant day with some nice views and enough AEG for a good workout."
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I decided to start the New Year off with a bang by going deep into @LosDosSloFolks country and hike up to Sugarloaf Mountain. This was the last remaining "major" peak in the Spur Cross area that I had not summited.

I started out by going CW on the Spur Cross Loop hike. When I got to the Limestone Trail, instead of turning right I continued to the left for a short distance before following a social trail that led to Peterson Spring. This trail was well cairned and mostly easy to follow.

However, past Peterson Spring it was a total bushwhack as I either lost the use trail or it did not continue past the spring. I could see a ridgeline in the distance that went up the north slope of Sugarloaf, so that is what I aimed for. I had to go through a couple of ravines to get there. Once on the ridgeline it was a matter of heading north up the slope. It was steep but not too bad. There was a false summit up ahead, and I was happy to go around it rather than try to climb it. Once around the left side of the false summit, a ridgeline going to the true summit came into view. Once on the ridgeline, it was a fairly easy hike to the summit.

To this point, I had mostly followed the route than @hansenaz used when he summited Sugarloaf Mountain. However, he had descended down the south slope of the mountain, and I had reviewed topo maps and had already decided that descent would be too steep for my liking. So I went back north on the ridgeline for a bit, and then descended down the east side of the mountain. It was somewhat steep, but not too bad. After dropping 400 feet or so I continued the descent by looping around to the SE and then basically south once I had mostly descended the mountain. It was not the greatest off-trail travel, but I eventually made it back to the Limestone Trail, right at the springbox for Limestone Spring. From there I headed SE to the Spur Cross Trail, and took it back to the TH.

I was glad to finally get atop Sugarloaf, but the off-trail portion of this hike was a bit onerous, so I don't think that I'll do this one again anytime real soon. At least it was good practice for some other off-trail hikes that I am thinking of doing: Apache Peaks, Mount Glenn, and Coyote Mountain.
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dry Limestone Spring - Spur Cross Dry Dry
The spring box was completely dry.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Peterson Spring - New River Dripping Dripping
Both a concrete spring box and a galvanized metal tank were completely full of water. Water from a pipe was dripping into each.
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I hadn't hit up The J of the C or SC recently. With the cooler temps, I was looking for something close, so this fit the bill. The parking lot at the J of the C was 1/2 full, a good sign for the whole SD thing. The weather was in the 60's to start.

J of the C is just starting it's autumnal thing and should get better over the coming weeks.

Dragonfly, to Spur Cross Trail, to the Elephant Mountain Trail, where I took a cool down break at the saddle.

Next up was the Limestone Trail. I ran into 2 groups of 2 on this section. The breeze simmered down here, so it got a little warm. The spring box at Limestone Spring has not held water for quite a few years now. I went to look for the source in the vegetation, but it was too thick for my liking.

Through the Cave Creek #4, to the Metate, to the Tortuga Trails I expected to run into more people. My neck gaiter got a work out as a face mask as 1/2 the the other hikers I passed did the same.

Back over in J of the C, I opted to hit the rest of the loop

Temps were good for the most part as long as the breeze kept up. I successfully negotiated the area, without being discovered by @LosDosSloFolks. Yea me!
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Page Spring - Spur Cross Dripping Dripping
Shallow spring box was full. Filterable if needed
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Apr 08 2020
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 Phoenix,Az
Limestone Trail #252 - Spur CrossPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 08 2020
mt98dewTriplogs 2,387
Hiking7.47 Miles 940 AEG
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940 ft AEG
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Wow! Great hike! I've done this trail several times over the years, but this was much nicer than I anticipated. This was a combination of great weather (a good breeze, cool temps and dark billowy clouds), beautiful foliage ( everything was green and there were splashes of color everywhere) and a challenging trail that kept me engaged throughout.

Got on the trail just after 3pm. Went in in the Spur Cross and had pleasant company with a woman who was a recent transplant from Colorado/Minnesota. She was enjoying her first winter here...we'll see how she likes the summers. :lol: I took the Tortuga for a short time to get to the Elephant Mountain Trail.. At first the Elephant starts out as an old, rutted road but within a .25 miles it turns off and drops into a wash. (This juncture is signed. One has the option of continuing on this "rutted road" and joining the Limestone Trail higher up. By doing this though you'll miss out out on over a mile of the Limestone and some beautiful views). I opted for the longer loop. There use to be stairs descending into the wash, but many of them have atrophied and are just remnants of what they use to be. As soon as I started to descend into the wash the trail changes notable. Going from a fairly open, 5 foot wide track, to a narrow single track with healthy growth encroaching from both sides. The trail joins the wash for a short time before climbing sharply up the west bank. The wash is well cairned and there are actually lined rocks to help guide the hiker on when to exit the wash. The climb out is fairly steep, but the trail is evident and easy to follow...one should enjoy this while you can. The trail eventually reaches the top of the ridge and goes from a sharp climb to a gradual climb as it continues to makes its way to the signed Elephant trail juncture. Up until this point the trail , though "encroached" is in good shape and easy to follow.

It became immediately evident that the Limestone Trail was receiving minimal use. At times it wasn't so much finding the trail but identifying the growth that was most trodden upon. Honestly there was a decent mixture of the aforementioned overgrown trail with stretches of "clear" trail as well. These "clear" trails were confirmation that I was still on track along with a multiple of cairns, which I usually didn't see until I was passing them. I lost the trail once, almost immediately after leaving the Elephant, at "the pump". This is where the trail drops down and crosses a usual dry wash (water was still flowing nicely :) ). If you try to go right while in the wash there is an old pump and (luckily) a wall of foliage. As soon as I turned around it was clear where the trail exited the wash. The trail maintains its elevation for a time before losing all the elevation that was gained on the climb towards Elephant Mountain. The trail eventually crosses a major wash and climbs the bank where it joins the "connector trail" (the rutted road that was left earlier in the hike). You know you will have reached this juncture because there is a very cool trail marker composed of carved stone images. (Very Cave Creekesque......I had done this hike years ago and come across another trail marker like this, but I didn't see that second one today).

From this point the trail became more defined. It's funny, when doing this loop I always misremember which side of Sugarloaf Mountain the trail wraps around. I'm always envisioning the trail wrapping around the west side, when in fact, it makes its way around the east. (Side note: some day I would love to bag Sugarloaf....has anyone ever done that? I don't ever recall seeing a write up). Reaching the saddle is always a good feeling. Views are nice, especially today with the play of the clouds across the surrounding scape. Also, it is almost all downhill from here, which is a nice reward after the up and down and up nature of the trail. The trail gets a little overgrown when it crossed what I assume is Limestone Spring. The foxtails are pretty thick at this area....they always have been. I said it was flowing a quart per minute. It was probably less than that, but not by much. Much closer to this caption than dripping. Hit the coral and the Spur Cross and it was just a matter of negotiating Cave Creek 5 times. It was flowing pretty well, but I was able to rock hop the first four crossings. Ironically, the one closest to the Metate Trail proved the most challenging. I believe in the past they've had boards to help, not today. And to complicate matters the nearest cluster of rocks that may have facilitated a dry crossing were being utilized by a group of kids, drinking and listening to music. :? Ended up doing a wet crossing. Luckily I only had about a mile to get back to,the TH. (The rocks were a bit upstream so I'm not even sure if they would have worked anyway). Started sprinkling just as I reached the TH.

Overall awesome hike! I need to play in this area more often. Didn't see anyone for almost the entire hike. Just at the beginning and then at the end on the Spur Cross. Ideal place for social distancing. Wildlife included a few rabbits and quail, quail quail. (Saw some deer when exiting).
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Feb 07 2020
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 Cave Creek, AZ
Limestone Spring Key Hunt, AZ 
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LosDosSloFolksTriplogs 601
Hiking6.80 Miles 742 AEG
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I went by this spring in the Tonto National Forest last Thursday as part of a longer loop trek. I was messaged by @Sun_Ray after the fact to tell me that he had lost his keys near the spring box some time back and if I were to go up there again would I please take a look for them. His said his doctor temporarily won't him let make that climb yet (a likely story) [-( so I got Cathy on board and we went up today to find Brian's keys.

The climb up was beautiful and much less taxing than last week on that bad tread. I just got over a cold and it's good to have some energy back. Now the bad luck story...in the 7 days since I was there, the horsemen in the area came up and cleaned out the spring box of all the fine silt like dirt that had filled it up. They dumped it all right where Brian suggested I look for his keys. :o To make matters worse the grass was very healthy and thick.
We brought heavy gloves along to look around with and part the seas of grass but it was no use. I think a metal detector is the only hope at this point!

On the way back down we took our time and enjoyed the views. We stopped at the creek and soaked our feet in the ice cold water. So cold it hurt, but we felt better for doing it. A group of three hikers came by and saw us and thought we didn't know how to cross the creek and offered to help us. We explained that we were fine but had just walked on ankle turners for 2 miles of steep trail and we were just coolin' off the 'dogs'. :D Sorry we came back empty handed Brian. :(
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It's starting...probably going to be a nice spring bloom starting in a few weeks.
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Jan 30 2020
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 Cave Creek, AZ
Limestone Trail #252 - Spur CrossPhoenix, AZ
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LosDosSloFolksTriplogs 601
Hiking7.87 Miles 1,434 AEG
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As I approach my one year anniversary with HAZ I noticed I only needed to add 6 more miles in January to have my first 50 mile month. Not a lot by most standards, but with me being only 18 months "off the sofa" I feel good about it. The wife and I have been on a couple of sections of Limestone Trail before but have never completed the entire length of it. She has a firm dislike for the tread on this track so even asking her to join me was not an option. I also didn't care to go alone so I messaged HAZ member @kingsnake who wrote the guide on this trail. Surprisingly he agreed to do it with me. We decided on a CCW loop. Route shown in photoset.

We met up at the Spur Cross Trailhead and hiked north along the creek with several crossings to pass through into the Tonto National Forest where Trail 252 begins at the old corral. Heading west from the creek the trail climbs s immediately and steeply to Limestone Spring. The box was dry and after a little rest we continued up some more to the saddle and the old ranch gate for some amazing views. Downhill to Page spring and our first views of Elephant Mountain. I gave this trail 4 stars based on the views and scenery. The trail tread itself is not so good. Lots of loose rocks and slippery areas requiring 3 points of contact to stay upright. Very taxing.

We passed the un-named "shortcut" at Rondo Rock and continued west to Ringneck Spring which is where we would head southeast out of the TNF and start the loop back into Spur Cross. Up until now the trail conditions were not very good. From Rondo Rock to Ringneck they became abysmal. And I wanted to do this! I was having a "low energy" day to begin with and now I was really running low on gas. Maybe it's the Coronavirus slowing me down. :-k

After a rest stop at Ringneck Spring (dry) we headed back out on the Elephant Mountain, Tortuga. and Spur Cross Trails to get back to the cars. I had promised Preston a lunch after the hike as a thank you so we headed over to the Mountain View Irish Pub in Cave Creek. They had a shamrock in their logo so I'm guessing it was an Irish joint.
I grabbed $60 bucks when I left home thinking that should be plenty for two lunches. We must have gotten carried away with beers and soups and such so my "guest" had to pitch in to help pay. Living proof that there is no such thing as a free lunch. :D At least we didn't have to wash dishes. Thanks for the hike Preston, I owe you one!
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Page Spring - Spur Cross Dripping Dripping
Box full with trickle overflow.
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Jan 30 2020
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 Sunnyslope, PHX
Limestone Trail #252 - Spur CrossPhoenix, AZ
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Hiked through the beautiful Saguaro forest along Metate Trail over to the old corral, then up Limestone #252 to Page Spring. Rather than head straight back along the rocky unnamed trail, we instead continued west along 252 to Ringneck Spring. It started out cool, but had gotten sunny, and felt pretty warm. Took a bit of a break in the Ringneck shade before heading east along Elephant Mountain Trail et al towards the trailhead. Really cooled off the last hour and looked like rain, but we got out dry. Greg treated me to late lunch in Cave Creek. Thanx! 🍻
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Just a few small purple things in one or two spots. Kinda like last week on South Mountain.

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No water at all. Slight moisture in dirt.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Page Spring - Spur Cross Dripping Dripping
Not dripping, but not dry. There was *some* water in the box.
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Jan 27 2020
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Spur Cross LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
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Took a visitor on this rocky loop :)
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