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Aug 24 2025
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Mount Baldy LoopAlpine, AZ
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ScaredyCatTriplogs 205
Hiking16.59 Miles 2,872 AEG
Hiking16.59 Miles   7 Hrs   36 Mns   2.61 mph
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Reach TH @ 7 am. A minor miracle for me. 😛 Up East which wasn't as difficult as I remembered from 9-8-2019. Chill at boundary with guy doing loop rev of us. Going down W was mostly easy. Terrain does limit how fast one can move most of the way.

Chill at water next to Crossover Trail. After already hiking 13 miles, that first mile was brutal. Next couple were much easier. Finished an hour and a half sooner than expected. Same time it took me to do E to boundary and back 6 years ago. 😊
 
Sep 21 2024
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Mount Baldy LoopAlpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
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Hiking18.71 Miles 2,836 AEG
Hiking18.71 Miles   9 Hrs   22 Mns   2.30 mph
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Second time doing this loop, including the summit. We contacted the Office of the Chairman of the White Mountain Apache Tribe several weeks ahead of time to obtain permission to go to the summit.

We started at the East Baldy trailhead, and went clockwise. The ascent felt like it went by fairly quickly, as we were enjoying the views and vibes the whole way. Spent some time playing and climbing in the rock garden. Further up is an amazing lookout point, and we spent some time awestruck by the views. At 10800 feet, the trail flattens out, and the 2 avid mushroom afficionados in our group were excitedly looking at all the large mushrooms just off the trail and explaining the unique qualities of each one. Apparently there had been a huge mushroom hunt the week before, but there were still many along the trail. Next we encountered the prolific raspberry bushes, and we all enjoyed the berries.

We reached the turnoff toward the summit, but the sign announcing that only tribal members may proceed was no longer there. We encountered a member of the tribe, and after he checked for our permit, he accompanied us most of the way to the peak. There were many people at the summit, and a large group was leaving as we arrived. Most were members of the Apache tribe, while some were non tribal members who worked for the tribe in Whiteriver. It was very peaceful and quiet, despite the large number of people, as most people appeared to be enjoying the views, contemplating, or conversing quietly. We spent some time taking in the views in all directions, then headed back down.

The upper third of the West Baldy trail was forgettable, with numerous dead and downed trees. Eventually we reached the river and the meadows, which were beautiful. We then took the crossover trail, which had more of an ascent than I remembered. The trees and meadows were very peaceful and pleasant, but this part felt like it proceeded more slowly than the other sections of the loop. We eventually reached the East Baldy Trail and returned to the car.

Overall this is one of my favorite hikes of all time. It was a beautiful day, with perfect temperatures (40s-70s over the course of the day). Most of the loop is exceptionally picturesque, except for the stretch of dead/downed trees along the upper part of the West Baldy Trail. The summit feels like a special place. The views are remarkable, especially at the summit and at the flat lookout area near the top of the East Baldy Trail. The river, rock garden, and raspberries made the experience even better. We encountered very few people the entire day except for the tribe members at the summit. Definitely will do this more often.

Finally, it turned out that we had randomly picked the last possible day that we could be allowed to go on this adventure, as most of the White Mountains were to be closed down that evening for the next 2 weeks so that George Strait and his posse could go on their annual elk hunt in the White Mountains. In fact, when we were at the summit, we were advised to evacuate the mountain before sunset to avoid being shot by Mr. Strait or his crew. Yes, apparently that's a thing.
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Oct 31 2023
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 Joined Dec 26 2018
 Phoenix, AZ
Mount Baldy LoopAlpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
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GrangerGuyTriplogs 111
Hiking17.34 Miles 2,610 AEG
Hiking17.34 Miles   10 Hrs   30 Mns   2.04 mph
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My Halloween hike was the Baldy Loop, about 17-18 miles. Usually I have a song in my head while I’m hiking to move me along. Today the lyrics were, “Out from his coffin Drac’s voice did ring; seems he was troubled by just one thing…” When I started at first light, it was 14° outside. About 2/3 of the way up the East Baldy Trail, the path crosses a section of Fort Apache Reservation land that seems to have a different trail clearing philosophy. There were quite a few downed trees where the trail just went around them now.

At the trail junction at the top, there is no sign prohibiting going on to the summit, but you have to know this to avoid trespassing on the reservation. I understand it is possible to get a permit from the tribe, but I did not have one, so I headed down. I discovered on my way down that the soles of my boots no longer had street legal tread as I negotiated the fine gravel trail. My mantra on the way down to avoid falling on my butt was, “knees bent, weight forward, poles out front.”

The Crossover Trail junction at the West Baldy Trail is marked only by a bare fence post, no sign. And the crossover trail itself is vague at times. “Use the force, Luke.” I did this loop in 10.5 hours. I have to remember that whatever time is given on HAZ, I need to up it by a third.
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Well past prime. Only a few aspens with any leaves left.
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The creek was flowing cheerfully!
 
Oct 21 2023
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Mount Baldy LoopAlpine, AZ
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Finally experienced this one in the fall - east to west and then crossover back.
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Sep 26 2023
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Mt Baldy Crossover TrailAlpine, AZ
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Hiking4.98 Miles 558 AEG
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My plan this week was to do a warmup hike today, then bike Railroad Grade Trail tomorrow, staying two nights in Greer.

From East Baldy, the wide gravel trail looked like what I was expecting to bike tomorrow. Despite the obvious Crossover Trail sign, I missed it, and had to double back.

This late in the year, at ~9,500 ft. elevation, flowers were sparse. Dandelions were most common. There were small, but dense, fleabane clusters near the West Baldy trailhead.

Descending to the LCR, I slipped and almost fell. My hiking-jitsu must be strong, as I was not using my hiking poles. Indeed, I carried no gear at all: Just my Garmin 62S and a bottle of water.

After baIance-beaming across the shallow LCR, I turned right, following West Baldy Trail a little over a mile to the trailhead.

After finishing my hike, my wife & I stopped at Apache Railroad TH to scout out the beginning of tomorrow’s bike ride. I could see the slightly elevated grade, but Railroad Grade Trail #601 was very narrow singletrack. (As was the end down at Big Lake.) I could do 19 miles of true rail trail, no problem. But singletrack? I made contingency plans to maybe only bike the first eight miles to Sheep Crossing.

After checking in at our lodge, I sat down by the pond to relax and catch up on twitter. I had two bar Verizon LTE, but nothing in the cabin. The lodge’s wifi was protected, and $20 / night. Even after paying for it, my iPhone SE couldn’t even detect the wifi. Worse, I had lost my glasses somewhere outside. I was not happy. 😫

We had a good dinner, off site at Molly Butler Lodge, sitting on the balcony, watching an elk herd below. Normally, I don’t fiddle with my iPhone while eating — it’s together time — but Molly Butler had open wifi with a strong signal.

Back at the lodge, I barely slept. The next morning I was tired, and still frustrated, and not looking forward to struggling on non-rail trail. Also, it was freezing cold. So I called EndEx and we bailed back to Phoenix. Maybe next year … 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Dandelion, a couple of Wheeler’s thistle, one paintbrush, harebell, pleated gentian, a few small western yarrow and some aster & fleabane.
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Sep 23 2023
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 phoenix, az
Mount Baldy LoopAlpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
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trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,660
Hiking18.49 Miles 2,889 AEG
Hiking18.49 Miles   7 Hrs   43 Mns   2.77 mph
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we packed up camp and headed for east baldy trailhead saturday morning
hiked this trail at least 20 years ago to just past the intersection with west baldy
then west baldy to the summit eight years ago with wade, mary jo and angela
the loop has been on my list for awhile
moderate uphill through the woods for most of this trail
some cool rock formations along the way
a large section of blown down trees
some airplane crash remnants near the top
we had cool temps and a pretty strong breeze
at the east/west junction, talked with a couple cowboys who had ridden mules up
then on the way to the summit we ran into @patrickl
we hiked quartz peak together eleven years ago :o
nice to see you again!
very windy at the summit
great views of the white mountains and a few lakes
back to the junction, and down west baldy
a steeper descent through the forest for several miles
we had some lunch along here
a tricky creek crossing over the little colorado river
then an easier descent through a series of meadows along the river
very scenic
we saw quite a few people on west baldy
we hit the crossover for a finish through the woods and across a few meadows
enjoyed this piece more than i had anticipated
this is a beautiful hike, and i think it is now officially my favorite hike in arizona
it was nice to revisit some hikes from years ago and get in a couple of new ones
thanks to bruce for driving and planning the logistics
always good hiking with you two :)
great trip!
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Sep 23 2023
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Mount Baldy LoopAlpine, AZ
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Day 3 in the White Mountains

After a chilly night of camping and another night of the local elk population bugling, we packed up and headed for the last hike of the trip. I swear one of the elk bugled just outside my tent.

East Baldy Trail
It's been more than 10 years since I've done this loop. I think clockwise is the way to go for me. Meadows give way to forests that lead you to and through a rockwall maze, ultimately opening up to an open boulder top. It's a great place for a break and some photo ops.
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Starting at about the 4-mile mark, there is quite a bit of deadfall that looks like it's been there for a while. At the intersection of the East and West trails, we chatted with a couple of cowboys taking a break with their mules. Shortly after that, we crossed paths with fellow HAZer @PatrickL. Great to finally meet you!

We took a short jaunt over to the peak for some photos in a gale-force wind and then returned to the cover of the trees.
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West Baldy Trail
The West Baldy Trail has a different feel, and I really enjoy both the East and West trails. You steeply descend out of the forest, cross the West Fork of the LCR, and then the wide-open meadows start.

Mt. Baldy Crossover Trail
With 3.5 miles to go, the crossover adds some elevation with four climbs, the first being the steepest coming out of the LCR.

It was a fun three days in the White Mountains. Thanks to Kelly and John for the hikes, humor, and storytelling.
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Sep 23 2023
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Mount Baldy LoopAlpine, AZ
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Final day in the White Mountains. Kelly has been talking up this hike for quite some time and it delivered.
Following breakfast with the bugling elk, we packed up camp and headed to the East Baldy trailhead.
The hike up is mostly through forest with occasional long distance views. Nice trail. Not too steep. We went through a short stretch with quite a few blow downs, but nothing too difficult to get around.
The summit is exposed and was quite windy with great views. We ran into @PatrickL on the way there. Good to see you again!
Descending the West Baldy trail is steeper than the East. Once reaching the bottom the trail follows the very scenic Little Colorado River for a few miles.
Great hike. Would definitely do this one again.
Fun three days in the White Mountains. Thanks Bruce for organizing and driving. Thanks Kelly too. :)
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Sep 10 2023
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Last little outing before heading back down to PHX... Main goal was to finally check out East Fork trail. Most of the climbing was in the first mile. Took the detour to Amberon Point, which is quite steep. Trail is a bit messy above the point, but it's actually marked, and conveniently reconnects to East Fork trail. Trail condition was better than expected, and it's pretty pleasant for the most part. Couple parts through the meadows are a little grassy, but with GPS it's clear where to go.

The railroad grade section was not my favorite. Map shows the trail crossing the road directly across from Gabaldon, but didn't see any gate here, and proceeded to the FR. Found what I think might be an aspen bolete.

Gabaldon campground was nice and vacant, proceeded up the connector to East Baldy trail, then back down to Crossover.

On Crossover I got distracted by more mushrooms; collected three porcinis. By the time I got to West Baldy Trail, it was pretty cloudy, and I half expected it to rain (it didn't). Opted to take the creek trail down - found it's easiest to cross over to the south side just past the culvert, then cross back over when the creek bends away from Sheeps Crossing Point.

The trail down West Fork is one of the most idyllic places in Arizona.
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I had originally planned a long (5+ day) backpacking trip in the Greer area for early July, but the forest closures ended up cancelling that. In looking for a replacement trip I ended up deciding to do the Tahoe Rim Trail in September. The prep for that trip includes some new gear and new packing discipline along with the physical challenge of the trail itself (180 miles in 11 days). I decided to modify my original plan for the White Mountains and use it as a shakedown for the Tahoe trip.

Day 1 - 17 miles - Greer to West Fork of the Black River
This day started out at the Government Springs trailhead around 7:00am. I was a bit concerned about the condition of the trail as I couldn't find a lot of information on it. I was pleasantly surprised to find a fairly well-traveled trail which looks to be somewhat actively maintained (i.e. deadfall has been cut and cleared). There were some overgrown spots where I was concerned about stepping into something I couldn't see, but aside from from water and mud there weren't any issues.

I continued following the river up to Sheeps Crossing where I got onto the West Baldy trail which I followed to its intersection with the Baldy Crossover trail.

The crossover trail was a nice change after the muddy river walk, but the dry trail only lasted for so long. After the first mile the skies opened up and out came the rain gear. The rain was never hard and it only lasted for 30 minutes or so. A new item on this trip was a rain kilt and as ridiculous as it looks I have to say that it's sooo much better than rain pants.

After the crossover trail ended I headed up the East Baldy trail for a bit. The intention here was to replicate a route posted by @Oregon_Hiker which followed the West Fork of the Black River to connect the East Baldy trail with the Thompson trail. I was able to find the headwaters of the Black River without too much trouble, but the condition of the canyon had changed significantly since he posted his triplog last year.

From his photos I expected a reasonably straightforward trek through a sparsely forested canyon. What I encountered was an overgrown mess which made it very difficult to find footing. On top of that there was an incredible amount of deadfall which looked like some jumbo-sized game of pickup sticks. I tried following the canyon a bit above the river and had better luck but it was still slow going. I eventually found the reservation boundary fence but it was in every orientation but vertical and mostly pinned down under massive deadfall. This was very different from last year's photos and description.

Then the thunder and lightning started.
Then it started raining again.
Then it started hailing.

After the storm I started moving again only to be slowed down by even more rain then stopped by more impressive thunder and even bigger hail. This trip was quickly running the risk of transitioning from type 2 to type 3 fun.

While waiting out the storm I decided to abandon the river walk and cut over to FR402D. Once the storm stopped I made my way over to the road and followed it to the point where it diverged from the stream. From there I stuck with the stream and made my way through the meadow to FR116 which I followed to the Thompson trail.

The Thompson trail was beautiful and similar in overall theme to the Government Springs trail at the beginning of the day. There were a lot of marshy sections and a lot of mud. While I had hoped to keep my feet from getting any wetter that just wasn't in the cards.

My intent was to camp near the intersection of the Thompson and West Fork trails, but when I got there I couldn't find a good spot. As the clouds in the sky were getting more ominous looking I decided to backtrack to a site I saw about 0.5 miles prior.

The weather was quickly turning and once I got to the site I raced to get my tent setup. This was comical as it was a new tent and although I had set it up in my yard a few times I had never done so in the wild under duress of an impending storm. Somehow I managed to get the tent pitched, my gear sheltered, and myself into the tent before the skies opened up again. This time it rained hard for over an hour. Fortunately my new tent kept me and my stuff dry.

After the rain stopped I got my stuff better organized, had some dinner, and hit the sack. As I fell asleep a thunderstorm raged several miles to the west. Two hours later and every two hours after that I was awakened by my air mattress having deflated enough to put some part of my body in contact with the ground.

Day 2 - 18 miles - West Fork of the Black River to East Baldy Overlook
I awoke to 46 degrees and 100% humidity. It was actually a very nice morning if it weren't for all of the condensation all over everything. Fortunately, I stayed dry overnight and by some sort of miracle (and a well-designed tent) didn't end up with any moisture on my quilt.

After taking care of my morning routine and packing up a very wet tent (inside and out) I headed back down the Thompson trail to the West Fork trail. I crossed the river and headed up the canyon wall to the plateau above. Everything was wet and muddy. Not just muddy, but suck the shoe off your foot muddy. I don't have much to say about the West Fork trail as it was pretty unremarkable. I'm sure it was much more interesting before the fire, but now it's just a lot of exposure.

From the West Fork trail I took FR68 north to FR249C which roughly parallels the canyon edge. Not much to report from these roads other than the fact that they were rutted and muddy messes in places. Lots of sun exposure and slow going in spots. I had planned a stop a Deadman Spring to get some water and dry my tent, but upon arrival I found a pond with what appeared to be a pretty healthy bloom of blue green algae. Not wanting to test my theory I backtracked a bit to a flowing spring I had passed by earlier and took my break there. In retrospect perhaps Deadman Spring had that name for a reason :)

After my break I continued my walk through the mud bog that was FR249C. Eventually I made it to FR249E, the FR116, then 402 then 8037 which I followed over Burro Mountain to AZ273. This section featured some great views from Burro Mountain, but was otherwise a long and tough slog. The sun was blazing and having learned my lesson descending the Rincons in May I was carrying a sun umbrella which I attached to my pack for some portable shade. This turned out to be a lifesaver as there's nothing worse than broiling your brain in the sun.

After cutting through the Gabaldon campsite I got onto the East Baldy trail and started making my way up the hill. Knowing that I would have a dry camp I grabbed water at the last possible spot before the trail started ascending. The Easy Baldy trail is beautiful and although I was tired I was loving the scenery.

I made it to the overlook about midway up the trail and found a perfect spot to pitch my tent between a couple of boulders. Took in the views, made some dinner, and hit the sack early. As I didn't have time to track down the leak in my mattress I went through the same cycle of interrupted sleep.

Day 3 - 20 miles - East Baldy overlook back to Greer
I woke up early and had just enough time to make some coffee before the sun came up. Enjoyed the display and then got on with my day.

The remainder of the East Baldy trail was beautiful and in retrospect one of my favorite parts of the trip. There was some deadfall to deal with, but nothing too bad. I stopped at the spring near the plane wreck to camel up and continued on. The area around the wreck was completely overgrown with ferns and cornlilly to the point that the tail section was barely visible.

Made it to the junction with the West Baldy trail and took a side trip up to the accessible summit. The views were great, but there was some haze in the air which limited visibility.

From the summit I started down and once I got to the shallower grade in the last 4 - 5 miles I hauled a** to the trailhead. I was feeling great and making great time so, stupid me, thought that the last 7 miles would be a fast walk back into town. I should have known better as the West Fork trail was a nightmare.

Once I found the West Fork trail I was treated to 4 miles of rutted and muddy terrain with nearly zero redeeming qualities. I'm guessing that without the mud it would have been more enjoyable, but in its current state I was really regretting my decision to take this trail. Fortunately the last 2 miles were through a beautifully forested area which almost made up for the prior pain.

Once at the trailhead I was ready for my day to be over, but I still had a 1.75 mile road walk through Greer to get to my truck. What energy I had left was sapped out of me by that walk. Unfortunately, it was a Sunday afternoon and the restaurants I passed were all either closed or not serving. I had been looking forward to a celebratory piece of pie, but that wasn't meant to be.
While quite different than my original plan of a leisurely stroll through the area I think that the fast approach that I took was more appropriate. The overall area is beautiful, but the beauty is punctuated by burned areas and, in the case of this trip, a lot of mud. I imagine that I would have gotten rather bored and frustrated if I had spread it out over any more days. In the future I may make another trip to focus more on the Mount Baldy Wilderness and unburned sections of Burro Mountain but I think I've had my fill of the area SW of Big Lake.

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This may have been the highlight of my day. Clean and clear flow out of the pipe.

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Hard to tell actual flow, but there was a lot of water in the pool. Film of what was likely and algae bloom on top so gathered drinking water from the spring a 1/2 mile south on the road.

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Jun 13 2021
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West Baldy Trail to the Mt Baldy pseudo-summit was one of the first real hikes I did growing up, but I never got around to doing East Baldy. Decided today would be a good day to change that.

Started at East Baldy TH. A quarter mile or so into the Crossover Trail, we saw a herd of elk with 4-5 young fawns, which was cool. Saw a handful of backpackers as well.

West Baldy Trail was as scenic as I remembered. Less deadfall than the last time I went up there; they're definitely doing a lot of work on it. Saw a work crew a half mile past the creek crossing, and another near the top.

East Baldy Trail is definitely a much different look, with mostly forest, and of course the hoodoos. The upper section had a decent amount of deadfall, but the lower reaches offered some nice, fun running.
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DixieFlyerTriplogs 1,377
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I had been wanting to hike up to Mount Thomas, and I was wondering how the aspens were in the Mount Baldy area, so I decided to head to the East Baldy Trial and find out.

There were quite a few yellow leaves to be seen along the East Baldy Trail, and I really enjoyed hiking on the trail. I stopped to take a break at the Hoodoo Overlook, and the scenery was exceptional from there.

I continued on the East Baldy Trail to about the 5.5 mile mark, and then went off-trail to the summit on Mount Thomas. From where I turned it was an easy off-trail to the summit. I wandered around on the flattish summit for a bit trying to locate the high point. I found a spot that looked like the highest point, but it is possible that another point might be a tad bit higher. From the highpoint I walked a short distance SW and found a cadastral survey marker that obviously marked the boundary between tribal land and the Baldy Wilderness. Instead of heading straight back to the East Baldy Trail I decided to wander off-trail for a bit as I made my way back to the East Baldy-West Baldy trail junction.

I then took the West Baldy Trail back to the Crossover Trail, and then took it back to the East Baldy Trail and the TH. The Crossover Trail was a bit of a slog on this day, and if I had it to do over again I would have returned on the East Baldy Trail back to the TH. The views of the aspens were much better on the East Baldy Trail than the West Baldy Trail.

There was a bit of deadfall to contend with on the East Baldy Trail, but not very much. Amazingly, there was essentially no deadfall on the West Baldy Trail -- usually there is more deadfall on West Baldy than East Baldy.

There was a good bit of water flowing alongside the lower part of the West Baldy Trail in the West Fork of the Little Colorado River.

It was a great day to hike in one of my favorite areas!
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I'd say that the aspen leaves were slightly past peak, but they were awesome nonetheless.
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Mount Baldy LoopAlpine, AZ
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kyleGChikerTriplogs 79
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Went out with my mom for a three-day hike in the Baldy Wilderness. Our family had hiked the West fork many years ago, and the East fork last year, but this was our first time doing the whole loop!

If this is your first time reading about the Baldy Wilderness, please be aware that the summit of Mt. Baldy is on the Apache reservation, and they do not permit access to the summit. Please be respectful of their religious beliefs and land rights by refraining from hiking to the summit.

Here’s a brief summary of the trip, highlighting the details:
Trail condition: Very good—mostly dirt, with few rocks or tree roots. New since last year: quite a few downed trees across the trail.
Wildlife: Elk sighted on the forest road to Winn campground the day we started our hike. Elk were heard bugling at all hours of the day and night throughout the whole trip. The only other exciting wildlife sighting was an owl catching a small rodent about half hour after sunset.
Water: As always, plenty of water for filtering in the East and West forks of the Little Colorado River. Baldy spring was dry at the trail crossing, but had plenty of water for filtering at the source if you hike up to it. All three drainages in the West fork (~5 miles in) had water flowing. Lee Valley Creek on the crossover trail also had plenty of water.
Weather: Perfect at this time of year! Low 40s at night and 60s to 70s during the day, depending on cloud cover
Scenery: We like the scenery in the East fork better…the hoodoos are spectacular!
Crossover trail: The crossover trail was a treat because the aspen trees were just starting to change to yellow foliage.
Crowds: This is a popular hiking destination. We met about 10 other backpackers on the trail, but there was never anyone near our camp. The backpackers do a pretty good job of spreading out throughout the wilderness. We met around 20 day hikers doing the full loop in one day, and probably another 20 day hikers near the trailheads on our first/last days of hiking.
Free time: Obviously this is a super short hike to spread out over three days. We hiked slowly since my mom is affected by the high elevation. We also took all the luxuries, including frisbees, Quiddler, Yahtzee, Backgammon, and Pass the Pigs.
Food: We made a new recipe on this trip—curry couscous. It is very simple and was simply delicious! We will certainly bring this one on future trips. Of course, you can suit the recipe to your tastes, but what I did was:
8 oz. couscous
2 oz. dried veggies
2 oz. sliced almonds
2 oz. raisins
1/4 tsp. curry powder
Salt to taste
Way too much food for two people! We ended up eating this for dinner, and then again for breakfast the next morning. Probably 5 oz. couscous would be better. Do you have a favorite backpacking recipe you’d like to share? I’d love to hear about it, as I’m always looking for new recipes (trying to get myself off Mountain House and Backpacker’s Pantry!)
Question: Does anyone know why there are so many dead/fallen trees in the Baldy Wilderness? It seems the area has never been burned by a forest fire. Bark beetles? Perhaps it’s just a really old forest?

Be safe out there, and make sure you look for forest fires before you go hiking somewhere!

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Lee Valley Reservoir 51-75% full 51-75% full
Not sure what maximum capacity is, but there was a lot of water!

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Mount Baldy Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
I believe this is the spring near the airplane crash site. Normally, there is a small creek flowing under the trail through a culvert. This was dry. However, hiking up to the actual spring, there was plenty of water to filter, about 1 quart per minute.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max West Fork LCR - Upper Tributary Light flow Light flow
We camped near here in the large meadow to the east. The LCR was around 2-3 feet wide and several inches deep. Plenty of water for filtering. Also, the two drainages to the northeast were both flowing.
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Aug 21 2020
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White Mountains Fishing & Hiking, AZ 
White Mountains Fishing & Hiking, AZ
 
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Day 1

Fishing, hiking, and a gear shakedown where the goal (thanks @ALMAL) for this trip out into the white mountains. I took off from Phoenix early Friday morning with the destination being Thompson Trail 629 then over to Wildcat Crossing on Saturday for more fishing hiking and camping. Along the way, plans were altered as my better half wanted to meet me up there to escape the valley heat.

We decided to meet at 95's parking lot with an ETA of 12:00pm. Not wanting to sit around and wait for 2 hours I decided to park at 94's parking lot and hike over to 95. The 94 and Crossover trails are nice and cruisey paths. The crossover being the my favorite of the badly loop. I also figured this would be a good way to get acclimated to the higher elevation. I started my hike at 10:30am where I passed two people on 94 headed east back to the parking lot, a group of eight people mid-way through the crossover headed north, and 2 more people headed north just before the crossover and 95 junction. I don't remember Baldy being this busy in August of 2019 which was the last time I hiked these trails. Not a whole bunch of people for a Friday but a bit more than expected.

My timing was nearly perfect to the arrival for my wife and our dog which worked out great as the storms were beginning to kick into high gear a few miles to the southwest. We wasted no time in getting the dog and her pack setup for the short trip into the meadows and the campsite I had in mind.

From 95's parking lot we set off towards a known campsite just off 95 were we passed two other people headed back to the parking lot. After our short two mile walk to our home for the night we wasted no time in getting camp squared away. From here we followed a game trail into the meadow. Wife and the doggo followed for a bit before the dog and her had gone as far as they wanted to go. This area is really pretty area and very easy hiking, many different paths to explore and the views are fantastic. Some of the best in the area in my opinion.

Before I had looped back around to camp (and against my better judgment) I decided to setup my phone/camera for a time lapse which I had planned to retrieve at dusk. I knew the phone would would get exposed to elements so I did my best to protect it. I left the phone/camera unattended for about two hours. During that time a pretty good storm hit the area and I was excited to see the results of the time lapse. It wasn't all that windy but it poured quite a big of rain and lots of lightning/thunder. Nothing beats a good gully warsher in the mountains. After the storm had passed I hiked back to the where I had left the phone only to findin it DOA. DANGIT!

Turns out the iPhone 11 is not as resistant to water was I thought. My makeshift hood/tarp setup didn't seem to protect it all that much. Oh well, lesson learned, an expensive one, and I should have known better. Despite that loss we still had a fun evening and a quiet night of rest.

Day 2

Next morning we were awakened by the many groups of loud hikers headed up 95. Wife and dog were not having the commotion so we packed up and headed back to the parking lot. We arrived to a parking lot just before 9am and it was packed. Almost as busy as what we had witnessed during the fourth of July weekend this year. If you're looking for isolation, this is not the area to find it. I ended up giving my phone to the wife, she gave me a lift back to my car over at 94, and we parted ways.

Even with the death of my camera/phone I still decided to head over to 629 to get some fishing in. Hiked down to the first crossing and continued past a ways with no luck. Got a little bit of rain but nothing bad and the picturesque scenery and beautiful meadows made the hike worth it. The area is super green and lush right now, wasn't quiet the case when I hiked the area in 2019. I am going to try to get back out to 629 before the end of September for some trout fishing. I'll bring the right tackle next trip and wont be so careless with a $1,500 smartphone. ](*,)

I wasn't really feeling up to another night of camping so I made my way back to the car. Spoke to a couple fisherman near the crossing on my way back who seemed to be having decent luck on flies. We also discussed fishing over at Wildcat which they indicated is very busy right now, no surprise there.

Despite the blunder with my phone all pictures less the time lapse were recovered and the apple protection paid for itself. Still had a good time and always beats the death heat of Phoenix.
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West Baldy Backpack, AZ 
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Backpack w/ kiddos. Arrived at East TH around 10am and headed over to Crossover Trail. Route was easy to walk and went through some ridiculously beautiful meadows, some of them with water trickling through. Reached West Baldy, quick break at river before turning west. Only got a mile in before the 7yo started complaining about his (new) boots. There was no way we'd be able to do full loop so we stopped for camp early, giving them a solid four hours before sunset to play in the water, get dirty, hit rocks with other rocks, and be kids. Backtracked out the next morning, returning just after noon, and then set out on the long drive home.

Saw maybe two dozen groups on the trails, mostly day hikers doing shorter sections of the trails (not the full loop).
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East Baldy Trail #95Alpine, AZ
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Baldy is gorgeous! I parked at East Baldy TH, took the crosscut trail, hiked up West Baldy, then returned down East Baldy. I think that's the way to go. Hiking up West Baldy looks like scenes from A River Runs Through It. I was awestruck. It was also surprisingly easy. There's a short area of fallen trees to navigate through, then a few switchbacks, and that is the extent of the "difficult" part. Once you reach the highest point we are able to go, the trail takes you through fields of wildflowers along the mountainside and you will see pieces of a plane crash along the trail and above. Then on to East Baldy & it's crazy beautiful rock formations! Definitely worth stopping and exploring for a bit. Coming down the East Baldy trail there were A LOT of people & everyone looked exhausted. I think East Baldy is a more gradual incline but over a longer distance so it seems like the East route is actually more tiring/difficult. Each trail is completely different & unique so absolutely worth it to do both!
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Mount Baldy LoopAlpine, AZ
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Got started on East Baldy at 0530. Cool and breezy, but not as cold as I was hoping it would be. Trail is in good shape. Saw one turkey, no hikers. Had to go over, under, around 55-60 downed trees, but all were easy. Saw a few patches of snow above 10,800' but nothing on the trail.

Headed over to the summit from the saddle. Nice breeze along the ridge. One large patch of snow at the usual spot, but it was easy to get over. Had a snack break up top. Saw a few hikers when I got back to the saddle.

Headed down West Baldy. Saw a couple more groups of hikers. Trail is in good shape, but about 95-100 downed trees, nearly all on the upper half of the trail. Somewhat more difficult to negotiate a lot of these trees. East is definitely better than West until they get the trees cleared. The lower half of West Baldy is still one of my favorite sections of trail in the state.

Crossover trail always has a little more up & down than I want to deal with at the end of a hike, but it didn't seem too bad today. All downed trees have been cleared, so that was nice. Finished up just after 1330. Great temps and weather all day. There was a little bit of haze from smoke, but not nearly as much as I was expecting; I could occasionally smell smoke though, but it was faint.

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Plenty of water flowing from the spring.
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I really enjoy this hike, and I figured that this was a good weekend to head up to the White Mountains.

The weather was super, and while there were some yellow aspen leaves, we were probably a week or so too early to see a full explosion of aspens in their autumn glory.

We went up the East Baldy Trail; came down the West Baldy Trail; and then took the Crossover Trail back to the East Baldy Trail. I like both Baldy Trails, but the Crossover Trail isn't my favorite. This time it was easy to cross the river shortly after getting on the Crossover Trail. We did take a short diversion near the East Baldy-West Baldy junction. On the East Baldy Trail I went past the airplane wreckage, and had to backtrack about 300'-400' to see some of the wreckage.
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There were some yellow aspen leaves, but I was probably a week to early to see a full explosion of yellow aspen leaves.
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East Baldy Trail #95 to Hoodoo OverlookAlpine, AZ
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A nice 900 foot climb in 2.5 miles through some amazing meadows and forest to an incredible overlook.

My trusty super hiker (who soon turns 70 years young) had a date to install a water softener back in Tucson but did this climb in nearly nearly 45 minutes each way while I continued onward to the high perch.
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I got permission from The Tribal Chairwoman of the White Mountain Apache to hike to the summit of Mount Baldy within 48 hours of making my initial request. I printed the signed memorandum to bring with me. There was some confusion among passers-by on the trail, but yes "permits" to summit Baldy as an outsider do exist.

Started from the East Baldy Trailhead ten minutes after sunrise, and I quickly worked my way over to West Baldy on the Crossover before the light started to change. Saw about a dozen elk on the Crossover.

The snow has melted off West/East Baldy, but there is a little snow on the trail to the summit still.

West Baldy had a little deadfall, and East Baldy did as well in the higher elevations. I passed a hiker who said he did the count for the forest service the day/week before, and that they said they would be out to start clearing it on the 27th. I saw two FS workers on my last mile as they were headed up to start clearing the East trail. There were about a dozen trees on either trail, so it shouldn't be long until the trails are clear.

Didn't see anyone until around mile 14, and from there back to the Trailhead on the East Trail I passed about 15 people.
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