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Charlebois from Peralta TH - 34 members in 88 triplogs have rated this an average 3.8 ( 1 to 5 best )
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La Barge Spring camp, AZ 
La Barge Spring camp, AZ
 
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Couple of friends in Tucson wanted to do an overnighter in the Superstitions, so I joined. The original plan was to camp in LaBarge Canyon somewhere and do a day hike in the morning; I had my sights set on Trap Canyon.

Didn't get started until 10am or so because they apparently couldn't drive two hours without taking several breaks. It was pretty warm and sunny. Early on, as we were passing a couple other backpackers, they said they had to tie a shoe and they'd probably catch up in a bit (they didn't). I figured La Barge Spring would be a good place to camp, since recent reports showed there's water there (there was).

Got there at 1pm and took the very best campsite since nobody was there, which I thought surprising considering our late start. The backpackers from earlier showed up and were surprised to see our camp was already set up. Two other backpackers showed up a little later. Around 4pm we decided to do a little day hike up to Charlebois Spring. Explored that a little, there was actually surface flow and it's a pretty cool spot that I hadn't been to for some reason.

Got back to camp around sunset, there were at least two more camps established (but Oak Spring area was empty, might've gone there had I know how many neighbors we'd have). Had dinner, and one of my friends gave me some really awful tasting mushrooms, probably grown in poop or something. For some reason the stars in the sky were moving around all night, couldn't figure out why, and my other friend draped a sleeping bag over himself because the temperatures dropped like crazy, and turned into the grim reaper.

When we got up in the morning, one of them remembered he had a commitment in the afternoon, so we couldn't do Trap Canyon. Packed everything up and hiked back. Didn't drink the booze I'd brought in the evening, so sipped it during the return hike.
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Some of the cottonwoods and sycamores are vibrant, some still green.

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There was stagnant water in one spot.

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Trickle on the surface through much of the riparian area. Half dozen or so good pools to fill from.

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Someone has trimmed back all the brambles. Flowing good, just some mud to deal with.

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There's a trickle just above the trail. Would be difficult to fill without a pump.
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Charlebois from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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All the water! In every wash, drainage, on the trail, any nook or cranny. Some impressive waterfalls. And some creek crossings were unavoidably wet.

Also:ALL THE RAIN! The weatherman LIES! To be fair, I should know better and be better prepared, but I am always trying shed pack weight while backpacking... Oops. The single-wall Tarp tent is not well suited to 7 hours of straight rain. I don't mean showers. I mean knock down, drag out thunderstorm with gale force winds and torrential rain. For hours. Interspersed with showers and regular rain and just high winds. Poor tent. It was already on its last leg, and the superstitions weather last night helped speed its demise. Second error, why didn't I bring my proper raincoat? Probably because it was only supposed to shower between midnight and 2a last night, so no real need for it. Oops. Mother nature wins again! 🤣🤣🤣I could swear I learned this before, to always always bring a raincoat, but nope. Lesson relearned today after hiking out in 45 degree heavy rain for an hour or so.

This segment was day 2,the hike out from Charlebois spring area to Peralta TH. After an eventful night spent trying to keep dry (thank goodness for the space blanket I put over my down sleeping bag to keep it mostly dry), we started off at about 730a. None of the other 15 to 20 people camping in the charlebois area were up yet. The weather started off dry which was pleasant and meant we were able to enjoy the music canyon area. It's so beautiful and a favorite area of mine!

In addition to the many backpackers near charlebois, there was also a couple people in the dense tree area by music canyon, and a couple just before the junction with red tanks. More were near la barge spring, and another couple tents at the junction of bluff spring and Dutchman. It was a backpacker kind of weekend despite the torrential rain, ha!!

Weather was good until just after the junction with red tanks. And then the rain and cold winds made it miserable. And it was like that for quite some time. Until quite far into the bluff spring trail. :( It is hard to enjoy the amazing views and shifting clouds and fog when your arms are going numb. Boo. The good news is the rain finally let up! Yippee! There was some light rain, but it was significantly better than than previously.

There is a ridiculous amount of water on the bluff springs trail section. Usually the trail goes through the wash quite a bit, but that's all underwater. And there were some great waterfalls along the way. Beautiful!

A bit wet for my unpreparedness, but still a beautiful backpack trip in the supes! ❤️😁
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Bluff Weaver Loop, AZ 
Bluff Weaver Loop, AZ
 
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It's been a while since I've been on a longer hike, let me tell you water is ridiculously heavy. The game plan about a mile up was to consume it quickly.

I used to lag with the piece of mind knowing that I could always catch up. Now I lag knowing that I don't want to get anywhere near the lead and suggest that we need to go any quicker. With the volume off on RS, I missed a turn and added a tenth of a mile.

Waterflow at Bluff slickrock narrows was just avoidable.

Took the shoes and socks off to cross LaBarge River. It wasn't ice cold just a screamer from my baby tender feet on the rocks. Checking the map I noticed we had several more crossings, so that was a waste of time and inner scream.

This 'lil guy [ photo ] is still standing. The notches are now morphed.

Amusements
To counter Bruce's standard ridiculous number of waypoints(notably multiple instances merging files), I added a large value to the comment on the Bull Pass waypoint. Shockingly RS read it...
fifty-six quintillion, two hundred twenty-nine quadrillion, six hundred eighty-eight trillion, six hundred sixty-two billion, two hundred twenty-three million, three hundred sixty-five thousand, four hundred eighty-six hundred seventy-seven.
Unfortunately, it was more amusing than annoying... room to improve.

Forging Onward
We settled on a lunch spot 369 feet before the intended warm/sheltered target to enjoy the inception of light rain. In a hurry, I inhaled way too much of a sub-sandwich too quickly.

Passing Weaver's Needle all hail broke loose. Followed by a mix of mini-nightmares: 37 degrees, rain, snow, Bruce's face, etc. It was becoming apparent that stomach acid was working on returning lunch to sender. Flurries turned into the largest snowflakes I've seen in the desert. Descending the flipside from Fremont Saddle was another bag of joy.

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August is more enjoyable for me, water is available from within 3-4 miles of any spot in the Superstitions. Still learning this in-season angle, glad I went & it was certainly unforgettable. Figured I best drive the dirt road. I've cracked a few quintillion Subaru jokes but it was fun, like driving a Go-Kart. Thx for the mind-cleansing hike!
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A few cottonwoods still had leaves in foliage, it must have been a warm winter in that valley. This is twenty days later than I have ever seen autumn color!
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Bluff-Dutch-Peralta loop, AZ 
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With a 100% chance of rain, we headed to the Supes. Peralta Road is in great shape nowadays, despite the traffic from close to 100 RVs, old school buses, vans, and tents that litter the muddy roadside on the way in. Is this camping?

Chilly but beautifully clear morning. We warmed up quickly on the climb up Cardiac Hill. Temps were forecast to be a high of 48 for the day, but by early afternoon, it hit 57. No worries about finding water in the Supes right now. I don't think we went more than 5 minutes without hearing running water.

At the Red Tanks intersection, we ran across our first of 2 backpackers on the day. His personality must have been lost in the wilderness. He was "On his way to Superior," but based on his look and setup, it was going to take quite a while.

We had a quick lunch in the drizzle, donning our raincoats. We missed the prime lunch spot, sheltered from the rain and wind, by about 100'. Shortly after starting again, the sun was out.

The climb up Peralta out of East Boulder Canyon is a favorite of mine for the geology and views.

The fun begins at 2 pm for us. Hail, rain, thunder, and ultimately snow kept things interesting. All the washes, side canyons, and the trail were running strong. Temps dipped to 35, and the last bit from Fremont Saddle seemed to take hours. Towards the TH, there was a couple hiking and playing in the rain. They looked far too happy and warm.
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Bluff-Dutch-Peralta loop, AZ 
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Drove from clear skies in the Valley to cloudy skies over Peralta Trailhead. We headed up Bluff Springs Trail and enjoyed a nice sunrise. Bluff Springs ended up being the easiest part of the day. Some water here and there, but able to stay dry.

Dutchman, as usual, has some catclaw encroaching on the trail, but nothing terrible. One chatty backpacker encountered near the Red Tanks intersection. Temp was about 54 degrees at this point of the morning. Plenty of water flowing at all the creek crossings. I was able to keep my feet dry by using waterproof socks until the second to last crossing, when deep water came over the top of the sock. Oh well. A few minutes of drizzle while we were eating lunch; enough to wear rain jackets, which we quickly removed as soon as the rain seemed to stop. Even some blue sky again.

Once on Peralta, the clouds thickened. Saw another backpacker. As we climbed, the breeze picked up. First it hailed for a while, followed by a steady rain. The trail turned to a river. Shortly before Fremont Saddle, the rain turned to snow, which lasted for at least a mile, temps dropped to 37. Then rain again for the rest of the hike. We all agreed that the short distance from the saddle to the trailhead seemed to last forever. Despite the saturated trail, only one slippery spot, near Peralta Spring. Saw two hikers not far from the finish.

Clear, sunny skies by the time we got back to Mesa. No water concerns in the Supes right now—it’s everywhere. Fun day, a good loop, and great conversation!
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Charlebois from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Beautiful day for a hike! Arrived at TH at 735a to a half empty lot and 35F. Lots of frost and some ice skimming the top of shaded pools at this hour of the day. We were doing this loop clockwise to avoid having to do the steep up on terrapin later in the hike, and instead have the gradual up on Dutchman and Bluff springs. I haven't been on terrapin in quite some time. Overall, I thought it was very easy to follow. Probably the most confusing part of the whole trail was the initial uphill on terrapin right off of bluff springs. That being said, it was not too bad and there were a few cairns to help, too. Terrapin is a beautiful trail, and I love the solitude. Up until this point, we had seen a couple of guys on cardiac hill, and then a couple of women on terrapin that said they do this every week before brunch. :) Shortly we came upon the junction with the crosscut trail. That trail is much more defined and used than the terrapin trail that continues on. There is also a enormous cairn. Just in case you didn't know where you are going, I guess? It's really big. Continuing on, we enjoyed the views from Terrapin pass, and soon we arrived at the junction hanging a right towards Charlebois.

This section of the loop I have never been on before (yippee!), so I was very excited. The first section right after the junction is very brushy, and we felt like we were in the jungle. :). It was glorious. The trail was still easy to follow, and the trail is surrounded by vegetation for a short while. There are a few campsites in this area. Heading onwards, the brush subsides, and the canyon opens up. So very beautiful in this area! Pure superstition magic at is best! ❤️😁 We enjoyed the electric green of the lichen on the cliff rock face to the east. In this area there is a 10 foot section of trail that goes next to an overhanging rock which is striking. Shortly we arrived at the Bull pass junction where we met a trio of women on a day hike from their camp near charlebois Springs. They were going in the opposite direction, so after a quick hello we headed on. We passed cavalry junction, and continued down the valley passing a multitude of campsites, some very large, and all with gigantic fire rings.

The valley in this area is so beautiful. There is a small section of trail that goes up higher on the canyon wall so that you are looking down on the canyon below before before you head back onto the flat of the valley again. More campsites everywhere. We met a very large group of young backpackers who appeared to just have broken camp, and they were assembled on either side of the trail getting ready to head out. There were probably 20 or so of them (!). As we headed towards them, they moved off the trail slightly to give us room to pass, and then they decided to do a human tunnel in kids sports fashion, complete with hooting and hollering! 🤣🤣🤣🤣Absolutely hilarious! 🤣🤣 I can honestly say that this is a unique and new wilderness experience for me! I have never once gone through a human tunnel in the wilderness. It was nice to see smiling young people enjoying the wilderness and in such good spirits! 😁.

Continuing on, we were shortly at the canyon where charlebois springs is, though we didn't realize it. There is no real obvious trail that we saw leading up to it, but to be fair we weren't really looking. I thought it would be evident, but we walked right by. When we hit the Peters trail junction, we knew we had walked right by the springs spur. We decided not to go back as this hike is a long one (for me anyway, I see some people hike 25 miles in a day, but I do not. 🙂🙃). Instead, we took a break at the high point just past the junction and had a quick snack. And then we were off again onward from the halfway point of our hike.

This section of trail on either side of music canyon has some areas where the trail gets lost for a few feet here and there, especially when crossing the wash. This being said, the trail itself is larger and well defined, you just have to take a quick look around to make sure you are on it. :) This area is beautiful with large cottonwoods. As you approach from the junction you can see several large cottonwoods in the canyon. They were a glorious gold color. The trail goes through a short section that is actually very wooded and enclosed which is glorious. :) In short order, we were at the red tanks junction and back on trail familiar to me.

We cruised along passing the bluff spring area. I should mention that up until this point, there were lots of pools of standing water here and there, and the ground was often wet though not so much to be truly muddy.

We came to the bluff spring/Dutchman junction, and headed west into the bluff spring canyon area. This area along the canyon was truly beautiful with running water (just a trickle really, but enough to make a beautiful sound) and lots of pools. At this point we started seeing people again after seeing no one since the cheering tunnel. Saw the same group of 3 women backpackers from the bull pen junction continuing their loop along with another trio of backpackers just starting out. Soon enough we passed the terrapin junction, and we were on the home stretch! 😊

Pretty uneventful at this point. Starting seeing a few more people here and there. We passed the cave trail junction which is well defined. On this entire loop every official trail junction was signed. The only two junctions not signed are cave and weavers crosscut.

We continued on, made it down cardiac hill, and back to the Trailhead. Another successful hike on the books! What a great way to spend a day! ❤️❤️😊😁 I love being in the more remote areas of the supes.

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Charlebois from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Always overgrown trails after a summer of minimal usage. The worst section (very brushy) of this loop was the Dutchman Trail through Needle Canyon. As we finished, several volunteers were working Bluff Springs near the parking area. Nice to see Mike again. We appreciate the group efforts! I doubt you'll see this, but Amanda Miller from South Carolina, I found your busted phone, driver license, bank and casino cards on the Peralta Road heading out. :doh:
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These were all familiar trails today, but we hadn't hiked this specific loop before, and it looked like a nice option with some good mileage and scenery. We got a later start than planned thanks to a closure on Highway 60, a detour on the surface streets, a long wait at a train crossing just before we could get back on 60 in Mesa...then we got stuck behind a slow-moving truck and trailer on Peralta Road. There were a lot of vehicles at the trailhead already, but at least it was a sunnier morning than forecasted, and we were happy to get away from most of the crowds as we left the Fremont Saddle traffic behind and turned onto Dutchman.

I was pleased to find that the trail maintenance work along Whiskey Spring Trail last spring hadn't become overgrown again...the catclaw along the trail was terrible in late 2021, but it had been trimmed way back as of last March, and it was still in pretty good shape today. We passed a Forest Service worker trimming brush and hauling it off the trail just before Whiskey Spring, so it's an ongoing effort and saved a lot of time and scratches on the section of that route, though Red Tanks had some spots that could use some work.

The sun continued to break through the clouds on and off most of the morning, and we took a short break near the water crossing at the west entrance to Trap Canyon before continuing on past La Barge Spring, Oak Spring, and the third one near Music Canyon. There were pools and a decent flow of water at most of the crossings today, and we had the sound of tricking water almost all day.

We had Charlebois Spring to ourselves, and we took a break there in the shade. We were there almost exactly a year ago and heard a lot of frogs that day, and today we saw two frogs mating at the side of the spring. They were clearly distracted and made no effort to move as we got closer, so we were able to get some Discovery Channel-worthy pictures before we started back.

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I took a quick detour over to the Master Map before we continued along the east side of Bluff Spring Mountain on Dutchman. The clouds got a lot thicker in the afternoon, and we started to see more people on the trails, including some groups of backpackers and occasional campsites. On the way out, we stopped for a final break near Peralta Rock, which I'd passed many times without ever noticing...this time I finally saw it :). We saw one more large group coming down from the Cave Trail, and we finished a little before sunset.

There were a lot of hikers on the trails, probably 15+ different groups/individuals over the course of the day...likely a combination the long weekend and people trying to get outside before rain starts tomorrow. But, as expected, this was an enjoyable, straightforward loop with plenty of water, good mileage and scenery, and a few bonuses between the frogs/spring, Master Map, and Peralta Rock.
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 Mesa, AZ
Charlebois from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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I haven't been on this particular route to Charlebois before - always going the route from Miners Needle and Whiskey Springs. Daylight prevented me from trying to get a 20-miler in. This was supposed to be the day after a rain storm but it was cloudy and wet all day. I hadn't taken more than a few steps through the low grass before my pants and shoes were soaked. Soaked feet early actually made the day better as I didn't care about puddles or getting wet the rest of the day.

I hiked the loop up Bluff Spring to 104, then over to Terrapin and back to Bluff. Weavers Needle was shrouded in clouds all day.

Water was everywhere. Pools, streams, canyons, small falls, fast, slow. I carried 2L of water and a nalgene of Gatorade. I just about finished the 2L. I love hiking out here and not getting dehydrated or worrying about finding water. The wet supes are the best supes.

Positives: Great loop + finally got a picture of the master map + NO mylar balloons to be found which I seem to find every time I hike Battleship.
Negatives: Trash and trashy people.

The reason for this triplog is because of the trash and sh**ty people along the trail. I have no idea if I stumbled upon someone's cache, but damn they didn't do anything more than leave a bunch of stuff sitting by a tree at a camp site along the trail. No hanging, no hiding, just dump and run. I passed a couple of backpackers who had spent the night somewhere near Charlebois who didn't claim it. You can see from the trash picture that there was probably 2lbs of junk food stuffs. No dinners, just snacks. My thought was they took the dinners and ditched what they didn't feel like carrying.

The sh**ty part. I have no problems pooping along the trail. I pack my iPood, TP, and a ziploc every time I go because sometimes that coffee doesn't kick in until I'm a mile in. I understand and am prepared. Grandpa on this trip was not. As I was coming down Bluff after Terrapin Saddle, I came upon two sons and their mom and dad about 1.4mi from Peralta TH. The son hollered back something and they were all kind of weird as I passed. I didn't think much of it until I passed grandpa's poo 2 feet from the trail with a giant pile of TP sitting next to it. I yelled back at them to pick up their feces and they said they would on their way back - which I didn't think they were the types of people to pack out anything.

I hate people sometimes and yes I know I'm a judgemental hiker, but damn people gotta do better.
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I had not been to the Peralta TH in over 9 months, so I figured that I was overdue. The destination this time was Charlebois Spring. We did a lasso loop CCW from Bluff Spring>Dutchman>Terrapin>Bluff Spring.

The first part of the Bluff Spring Trail seemed to have more loose rock in it than before -- perhaps due to monsoons, but I am just guessing. I don't care too much for that trail.

Once we got to the Dutchman Trail, it was somewhat overgrown much of the way over to Charlebois. It wasn't all THAT bad, but you'd get snagged by some catclaw in a few places.

Charlebois Spring was a nice spot to have lunch. We sat by a nice pool of water. There was nobody else there, which was a bit surprising. I tried to find the master map but didn't have any luck. While looking for the map we came across a bobcat who was not camera shy.

I was reluctant to go back on the Terrapin Trail, fearing that it would be really overgrown. However, much to my surprise, there had been some recent trail maintenance on Terrapin and it was clear sailing. There was a little bit of grass that I brushed up against a time or 2, but there no catclaw to deal with. I'll dare say that the Terrapin Trail is the best trail in the Supes right now (of course that's not saying much...lol).

The weather was near perfect for hiking, and it was a nice day to be out in the Supes!
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Charlebois Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
I did not go to the spring itself, but there were some nice pools of water down below the spring.

dry Music Canyon Dry Dry
I did not go up into Music Canyon, but the pool down below the canyon at the Dutchman Trail was bone dry.
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Dec 06 2021
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Charlebois Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
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Dec 04 2021
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 Gilbert, AZ
Charlebois Loop IIPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 04 2021
ddgrunningTriplogs 604
Hiking20.21 Miles 2,518 AEG
Hiking20.21 Miles   7 Hrs   36 Mns   2.87 mph
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I thought I was getting an early start--arriving at the Peralta Trailhead 45 minutes before sunrise, but by the time I got within a mile of the TH, I was in a line of 4-5 cars with the same idea. I guess it is prime hiking season in the Supes, so not too surprising.

I figured that since I wasn't headed up the popular Peralta Trail, I'd get to some solitude quickly. I was almost right.

Once I hit the trail and headed off on Dutchman, I figured the trail would be mine. But, after a bit I looked back and saw that I had a tail. Another solo hiker that was not too far behind me. I was the faster hiker and put some distance between us on, but I also stop and take a lot of photos, so he would periodically close the gap. Whenever we'd reach a trail junction, I hoped he wouldn't turn my way, but he was on the same itinerary, until I finally shook him at the Whiskey Springs Junction. :-)

About 2 miles in on the Dutchman, the burn zone comes in heavy. Lots of devastation in this area, with plenty of saguaros in various stages of becoming skeletons.

The burn scar was ameliorated to some degree by the sunrise, which splashed color onto the mountains and created some fun shadows and photo opportunities along the Coffee Flat section (and elsewhere along the loop).

Miner's Needle is an impressive formation. As this was my first time hiking in this area, I enjoyed viewing it from various angles.

At the Whiskey Springs junction, I was finally on my own. As the trail dropped down into Upper LaBarge, there was some significant erosion and the route finding started to become a little more necessary.

The route continued to deteriorate in the bottom of the drainage and on through the Red Tanks portion of the trail, with a lot of incredibly pokey and barbed foliage reaching out and stabbing, scraping and raking across my shins, shirt and hands. It was helpful to have the GPS track downloaded for this section (though the drainage itself generally prevents the prospect of getting too turned around).

At the Red Tanks junction, I decided to head east for a bit and explore the Upper LaBarge area. Some cool formations and a couple of nice campsites up that way, but not a lot of water.

Returning to the junction, I continued up LaBarge on Red Tanks, and came to the first real oasis of the day--LaBarge Spring, which was flowing nicely and had clearly done a good job of growing cottonwoods and other strong plant life in the vicinity.

Shortly beyond LaBarge, I met three backpackers going in the opposite direction. They were down from Flagstaff and camped near Charlebois Spring and were on a dayhike/explore. After a brief chat, we parted ways, and I continued up to Charlebois.

Along the way, there is a nice, canopy-covered camp spot near Oak Spring. I didn't search out Oak Spring itself, so not sure if there is convenient water, but LaBarge Spring is relatively close.

Arriving at Charlebois, I found another set of 3 backpackers taking up residence at the prime camp spot just shy of the spring. They were up from Tucson, and we swapped a few hiking notes before I headed to the spring itself--which is more like a nice-sized pond, with the prodigious roots of a large cottonwood tree forming an natural dam. The pool was a good 2-3 feet deep and 10-feet in diameter. On a hot day, it would be a tempting to take a dip!

I stopped for lunch at the pool and just enjoyed the surroundings.

After lunch, I backtracked and stayed on Dutchman until it intersected with the Bluff Springs trail. Somewhere in this area, I came across a group of 12 or so backpackers headed to Charlebois. I told them that the prime spot was taken (and was too small for their group anyway), and suggested some alternatives.

I wished I had done this loop before the 57-arm saguaro met its demise, but I did manage to see a couple of other impressive saguaros on the day.

Stopped and checked out Peralta Rock, and made the short side trip to the impressive overlook into Bark's Canyon and over toe Weaver's Needle along the Bluff Springs trail.

Arrived back at Peralta TH, which remained busy but there was parking to be had.

A very enjoyable loop, though next time, I'll wear long pants, or pack a couple of soccer shinguards ;-)
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May 30 2021
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Charlebois from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking15.40 Miles 2,242 AEG
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This was my first time hiking with one of my friends and regular pre-pandemic hiking partners in almost 16 months, so it was a nice chance to catch up and squeeze in another Superstition hike before the heat gets too ridiculous. As it was, we were looking at low triple digit highs in Phoenix, so we had to get an early start and pack plenty of water. We considered a few options in the Superstitions, but I wanted to see something new and suggested Charlebois Spring. Given the heat, we opted for the shorter route from Peralta Trailhead.

There were only a handful of cars at Peralta, and I assume most of those belonged to people going on a morning hike to Fremont Saddle. As we got started and I turned on Route Scout, I realized I'd forgotten to download the route I'd created the night before...oops. The directions to Charlebois were easy enough to follow without a route, but I'd marked waypoints for a few off-trail areas I wanted to explore, including some possible cliff dwellings and the location of the Master Map. I had a general sense where the map rock was located, but without the exact location, we were going to have to wing it a little and hope my memory was correct...

We started on Bluff Springs Trail and headed up Cardiac Hill, and there was no one else on the trail. I'd forgotten how beautiful it is in Barks Canyon, although there was fire damage on and off along much of the route all day. The saguaro blooms were beautiful--not quite as many as there were in the Superstitions last weekend, but still plenty of flowers. Without the waypoints marked, we didn't do any off-trail exploring on the way in and headed straight for the spring. There was a lot of trees and shade near Oak Spring despite the dry creek bed, and we didn't see any water until very close to Charlebois.

We hiked just past the unofficial trail into Charlebois and cut back into the creek bed and got our socks and boots covered with sharp thorns/grass just before reaching the spring and taking a break in the shade. It's a beautiful area with a nice setup for camping, and the spring was very pleasant--clear water with tadpoles swimming in it, plenty of shade greenery, and red dragonflys all over...it felt like an oasis, and we took a break for lunch and pulled spines out of boots and socks before we headed back into the sun.

On the hike out, we did some exploring in the area where I thought the Master Map was located, but we kept coming up empty. I told my friend that when I compared our route to the coordinates later, we were probably within 100 feet of it, and it turned out I was right--we were practically on top of the map and must have just missed it. But without knowing for sure if we were in the right spot and needing to conserve water, we didn't spend as much time searching as we would have on a cooler day, nor did we take the time or energy to climb up the sides of the canyon to check out other potential points of interest. Instead, we got back on the trail and started the long, hot hike back to Peralta.

We were very thirsty on the way out but had enough water between the two of us, and we didn't see anyone on the trail all day. Coming back down Bluff Springs toward Peralta, there was only one other vehicle in the lot, and the Wave Cave parking lot was completely empty on the drive out. Despite missing out on a few of the specific destinations I'd hoped to see, it was a fun day catching up with an old friend and seeing Charlobois for the first time. When things cool off again in a few months, we plan to return to Charlebois from another route and find the Master Map and a few of those other points, and next time I won't forget to download the route :).
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dry Barks Canyon Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Charlebois Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
One pool before the spring, but mostly dry

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Charlebois Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Clear water in the pool and a slow but steady trickle of water over the sides

dry Crystal Spring Dry Dry

dry Music Canyon Dry Dry

 
Jan 18 2021
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Two night backpack from Bluff Springs over to Charlesbois. Very popular on Saturday evening. Hung out and found the Peralta Master Map on Sunday, and then headed out Monday.
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Jan 03 2021
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wallyfrackTriplogs 1,691
Hiking14.90 Miles 3,335 AEG
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I set out on trip to try and locate some native cave dwellings on the side of Bluff Spring Mountain. I read about these in one of Tom Kollenborns articles but failed to locate them at least 3 times before. When we did the backpack to Music Canyon Steve had a photo of the lower cave entrance. For some odd reason that made the difference for me. I had an off trail loop planned by once I got out there and started the climb up the wash it just didn't feel right. Well that and it looked hard. :lol: I saw some ledges that looked interesting and headed that way. The first two were duds and the third had an open cave but then I looked down and saw the partial wall on the lower cave and knew I was there. The temps are great for a long hike and there were several people out on the trails. I didn't see anyone while climbing up the side canyon 900 feet above La Barge Creek? I made great time on the trails but the off trail was steep and loose. I saw a pretty skunk and that was it for the fauna. Vive la Supes!
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xsproutxTriplogs 31
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This is my first year hiking the Supes after moving to Phoenix 3 years ago. Up until now, I done several overnight/two night trips starting at First Water but decided to give it a go from the Peralta trailhead this time for an overnight backpacking trip. I purposely started later in the day, getting to the trailhead around 2, as I wanted to avoid any crowds and make my way to either La Barge or Charlebois after dark (I like night hiking.) In the end, I camped at La Barge and did mostly dusk hiking vs night, but that was okay.

One thing I'll say is that I love the flow of this trail; good effort up front and then just beautiful views and flow. The sad part is that I never saw this trail before the fires because... well, it's pumpkining toasty now. Super toasty. The couple of trips I've done from First Water, there were spots that were burnt, there are spots that aren't. Bluff to Dutch to La Barge? Toooooooooasty. Any rate, camped at La Barge, which is like an oasis that can be seen for miles away, with not a single person nearby (seemed strange to me? One of the only reliable water sources and a Saturday night, but no people? Is this normal? I was expecting to maybe collect water and then hike more to find some peace...)

Hiked out the same route the next day and reaffirmed that I really like the flow of this trail. Met a couple guys on the way out that scared the feces out of me as I stopped to sip some water while listening to an audiobook and didn't realize they were near me. Didn't catch one of their names, but had some good conversation with a Moon Juice
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Nov 21 2020
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Charlebois from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Nov 17 2020
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wallyfrackTriplogs 1,691
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Yes, once in a while I get out and backpack. I try to like it but it's just not my thing. The weather was a bit warm which made the evenings nice but the days were hot. We camped near Music Spring and got water there as well. The water at La Barge Spring or Charlebois Spring is better but this was convenient. We basically explored some in the morning and in the late afternoon to stay out of the heat. We did see one Black-tailed rattlesnake in a side wash north of Charlebois spring. The snake was between to boulders that were about 4 feet apart. I was following Steve down the wash and he went through and just before I stepped in between the two boulders I saw the snake. It never rattled or even moved. It was nice to get out and explore a little.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Music Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Better at La Barge Spring and Charlebois.
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wallyfrackTriplogs 1,691
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I took off work and hiked onto the Supes. Tuesday rained more than expected so we hung out in Jake's cave. Wednesday was nice and we explored the area around Peters Mesa. Thursday was relatively warm and we hiked out. The trails were busier than I expected and Peralta Trailhead was full. There was work being done on Peralta road when we left.
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Jan 20 2020
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DixieFlyerTriplogs 1,375
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This is a pretty hike so I decided to take advantage of the nice weather and do this one again. There was a small group of us, and nobody else in the group had ever done this hike before. The riparian areas at La Barge Spring, Music Canyon Spring, and Charlebois Spring were awesome as always.

I was surprised how few people were on the trail for a holiday.

We passed by one burn area from the Woodbury Fire, and the grass is really green in the burn area.
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