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AZT Red Hills via City Creek TH, AZ 
AZT Red Hills via City Creek TH, AZ
 
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Day hiked into the Mazatzal from City Creek Trailhead with Roger. We were looking at possible reroute of the AZT near the City Creek junction northbound. It's still in the early discovery phase and a work in progress.

Great day to hike into the AZT. Temps were a bit chilly at 23 for the 730 start at City Creek Trailhead but that just made for a pleasant day throughout the hike. Reached the City Creek AZT junction and took a break. Then we proceeded to evaluate the reroute options. Spent a good 4 plus hours negotiating off trail manzanita and scrub oak to look for possible reroute.

After that we hiked the same way out back to City Creek Trailhead. To be continued...
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Mazatzal Doll Baby Ruins and Red Hills, AZ 
Mazatzal Doll Baby Ruins and Red Hills, AZ
 
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We returned to the Mazatzals today for the second time in three weeks. This was my first time starting from Doll Baby TH, and the road was in good shape on the drive in--just two shallow water crossings and some deep ruts on the part of the road that crosses Doll Baby Ranch. There was one other vehicle parked at the trailhead, and the temp was in the mid-50s and very comfortable when we set out.

Our first stop was the main ruins site on the red cliffs. It's labeled on the topo map, so it's not surprising that it gets a lot of traffic--there was an obvious, cairned use trail branching off FR 406. But it was an impressive site, with tall perimeter walls and outlines of a few interior rooms, and it's in a beautiful spot near the edge of the cliff overlooking the Verde River below. The big vertical slab of rock sticking up in one of the doorways is odd...not sure what purpose that served other than sealing off a doorway or if that's a modern addition.

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We explored the site for a while and returned to the road, continuing to the Verde River shortcut to connect with Saddle Ridge/Bull Spring/Red Hills. After a short break at Copper Mountain, we continued on Bull Spring as it started the steady climb. I made the Brush Trail intersection my turnaround point to leave some time to visit a smaller ruin site back near the trailhead on the way out.

We stopped for lunch in the shade near the gate/turnoff for the the cliff ruins, and a truck pulling a trailer drove up from the trailhead and passed us--the only people I saw all day. Once we were further down, TboneKathy returned to the trailhead while I left the road and started following the route that @Oregon_Hiker and Grasshopper took ~10 years ago to see the small (almost certainly non-ancient) rock wall on a rock outcropping en route to an overlook across from a small, second ruin site on a larger outcropping.

I'd seen close-up pictures of the site and knew it wasn't anything spectacular, but I still wanted to try to get over there, and by that time backtracking through all the brush I'd already endured was unappealing, so I continued past the overlook/turnaround point on their route and followed the ridge until I could drop down and cross the ravine and access the ridge with the ruin. The brush was relentless, right up to the rocks walls. As expected, I didn't find any pottery, just the whitish walls along the edge of the cliff, but it was satisfying to get up there and avoid backtracking.

I dropped down off the east side of the ridge and headed straight for the trailhead ~3/4 mile away. That was a very scratchy and unpleasant bushwhack through catclaw, manzanita, and various sharp stuff. At times, it felt like one of those nightmares where you keep moving but don't seem to go anywhere--especially frustrating when the trailhead is so close down below but feels so far away...it was a relief to finally get out of that mess. Ruin site #2 definitely has a very low reward/effort ratio...I don't see any enjoyable way to get up there, and TboneKathy had no regrets about skipping that part of the hike.

Despite that unpleasantness at the end, it was a good day--a new part of the Mazatzals for both of us, great weather and scenery, and plenty of solitude. And we saw a few colorful birds near the river in the morning, two small snakes on the road/trail later on, plus a few elk in Payson on the drive in.
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A small pools where the East Verde River Shortcut trail crosses the canyon

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Didn't check spring source directly, but light flow of water across Red Hills Trail below the spring
 
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Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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Started about 8am from Mineral Springs TH up the North Peak Trail. North Peak Trail has been cleared over the past several years so it's much easier to follow than in the past, but it's still really steep. Eventually we made it to The Park and took a break.

After the break the goal was to head north bound on AZT/Mazatzal Divide to just past the City Creek Trail junction. We are stewards for the AZT section from City Creek to Brush Spring so we wanted to check out our section for trail conditions and any needed work. There is a nice ponderosa section below the City Creek Trail junction and setup camp there before day hiking over to Brush Spring.

It was nice to drop the backpacks and put on day packs. Continuing north bound towards Brush Spring and checking out the trail. Eventually we made it to Brush Spring and went down to the actual spring which is a little off the trail. Spring was not as full as I've seen it but there were some ok pools just below the spring area. We filtered a couple of liters before heading back towards camp about 4 miles one way.

On the way back it started to get dark but I did remember before camp there were some good pools just off the trail. With the good water we decided to filter all our water for rest of weekend. After that it was just about 1/4 mile to camp and time to relax.

Next morning had a leisurely wake up. After packing up we headed up to the City Creek Trail junction and dropped packs to do a little bit of brushing from the junction downhill on the trail. Spent a couple of hours brushing but still more to be done on that slope north bound. Then we just had to hike back out to The Park and down North Peak Trail. Good recon of the trail and what needs to be done!

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spring seemed a bit low but the there were a couple of good pools just below the spring
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Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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Combined with AZT#24 as a 4-day South to North Backpack from Mount Peeley TH to Doll Baby TH via the connector. 38.75 total miles with campsites at Bear Spring, Horse Camp and Brushy Spring. Good water at all springs and infinity rock pools at Horse Camp with Chorusing Canyon Tree Frogs.
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Red Hills Loop, AZ 
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For my first trip to Doll Baby TH, I chose the most popular loop and destination. I looped the full length of the Red Hills AZT section with Mazatzal Divide Trail, and visited the "Spanish Ruins" along its track. I did alter the loop slightly, making the trip down to the river via the LF East Verde Shortcut Trail instead of hiking the road to Bull Spring Trail. Started at 7am and went ccw.

Should have went a week earlier for the yellow sea of cottonwoods and sycamores around Doll Baby and along Bull Spring Trail. Better luck next year. Road walked to the ruins turnoff. The trail up to the clifftop is obvious, wide, well-cairned. I'd make the trip for the cliff overlook as soon as for the ruins, though they were more interesting than I expected. Nearly 6ft tall, lots of rooms, and killer views toward Doll Baby, North Peak, and Whiterock Mesa.

More road down to the river shortcut. The shortcut trail is marked with a giant cairn and some pink ribbons. At first the tread is appalling, but once down to the river it's sandy and soft. It saved a half mile plus the climb on the road up and down around Copper Mountain.

Connected the shortcut trail with five minutes of Saddle Ridge Trail before getting onto Bull Spring Trail. Good tread and a reasonable ~3kft climb up into the Mazzies. Seems like a bummer section through-hiking south. Connected with Brush Trail which was very scenic from the top of Bullfrog Canyon to the Red Hills Trail junction. Patches of conifers delight as the trail winds through the brushy burn area. No water at Brush Spring where the AZT signage ushers passers-by, but continuing west through the campsite there was some water trickling into clear pools in the creek below the spring. Views widen as the trail climbs to Red Hills.

Red Hills is the highlight stretch of the loop. Descends to the canyon bottom through an old, orange forest of ponderosa pines as nice as I've seen in the Mazzies. Interesting geology complements the forest well. There were some pools of stagnant water of varying quality in the tanks of the creek. I opted for the overlook once reaching the Mazatzal Divide Trail and headed the wrong way up that trail toward Knob Mountain for a view back over the the course of Red Hills.

Took a short break and then descended the northern end of MDT. It is the better route up or down compared to Bull Spring. The tread is smooth, the incline gentle, with better views off into the distance. Big views toward the Sierra Ancha, Deer Creek, and Tonto Basin. The views that way were pretty smokey, and over the course of the day it worked its way up around North Peak and into City Creek. Ended just as the smoke rolled through and didn't see anyone all day.
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The very end of fall in the Northern Mazzies


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Nov 13 2021
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Azt #22-24, AZ 
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Intro: I went out a couple weeks ago for a 4 day backpacking trip through the Mazatzals to complete passages 23 and 24 of the Arizona Trail. Accompanying me was my mom. We ended up hiking Passage 22 as a day hike after we finished the backpacking trip.

Car shuttle: We had two vehicles this time, so we dropped off the Chevy Suburban at Doll Baby Ranch, then drove the Ford Explorer to the Mt. Peeley Trailhead to begin our hike. We didn't want to have to drive the Mt. Peeley road more than necessary, so when we finished the backpacking trip at Doll Baby Ranch, we drove down highway 87 and camped off a forest service road that takes off 0.6 miles south of Sunflower. In the morning, we parked there off the 87 and hiked along the road 0.6 miles to the AZT to begin passage 22. After finishing the hike, we drove the Ford back to the highway, then picked up the Chevy and drove both home.

Day 1: By the time we got the cars where they needed to be, it was around noon. For anyone who's interested, it's an hour and a half from Doll Baby Ranch to Mt. Peeley Trailhead. So we got started hiking and wanted to make as many miles as possible before camp. Particularly, we try to avoid dry camps since they increase pack weight, so we were hoping to make it to Bear Spring. We saw the sign at the TH about GPS Joe, who had an unfortunate incident while hiking Sheep Mountain and his body has never been found. I never had the pleasure to know him, but I know he was influential here on HikeArizona and some of you helped with the search efforts. I wore my HikeArizona shirt in his honor. :) We were surprised by the initial climb, because I had thought the trail was supposed to descend from the Mt. Peeley TH. But after that was done, the rest of the day's hiking was pretty straightforward. The trail wound around past the canyon where Deer Creek has its headwaters. I've never hiked the Deer Creek trail in the Mazzies...but I've heard it's beautiful and I can't wait to go there! We made it to Bear Spring right about sunset and had just enough time to set up camp and cook dinner in daylight. We had enough water to make it through the night, so we waited to take the 1/4 mile walk down to the spring for filtering water till the following morning. I should also note that there are three very nice campsites here amidst some pine trees, so it makes excellent camping. The first site you get to going northbound has the best views of Mazatzal Peak.

Day 2: After filtering water from the spring and a tasty breakfast (I can't remember what we ate, either oatmeal, corn grits, cream of wheat, or hashbrowns!) we packed up camp and headed off. Most of the hike today was classic Mazatzal scenery, trail conditions, and vegetation. Windsor spring was once again dry, although the ground was damper this time than the last time I was there. It just doesn't seem that reliable. :lol: From Windsor spring, the next 5 or so miles we had hiked previously when we did the big loop hike around Mazatzal Peak, up Barnhardt and down Y Bar. That's probably the nicest section of trail, nice and wide and smooth. Saw a couple fighter jets flying overhead, which was pretty cool. We saw some last trip too, so we're wondering if this is an area they like to train in. There was plenty of water at Chilson spring and in the whole creek for a quarter mile beforehand, but we had to make more miles, so we continued all the way to Horse Camp Seep, which had plentiful water and great views! We made it just in time for sunset. This night we made a campfire and roasted marshmallows for S'mores. That was fun!

Day 3: After eating breakfast out on the slick rock in the creek, we explored around a bit and found a "slice of pie" very similar to the one on Battleship Mountain. For those of you not in the know, a slice of pie in nature is when a piece of the rock cliff literally falls out and is resting a few feet away from its original position. The slice of pie here is about a quarter of the whole pie, whereas on Battleship Mountain in the Superstitions, the slice of pie is more like 1/6 of a pie. If you google Pie Rock Superstitions, you'll see a photo to know what I'm talking about. Along the trail today, right out of the gate there was a pretty hearty climb, and we stopped by Hopi spring just for fun and saw it has plenty of water. Upon reaching the top of the climb, near (34.12691, -111.49925), those were some of the best views on the whole trip. We could literally see from Mt. Graham and Mt. Lemmon in the south all the way to Humphrey's Peak in the north, and all the rest of Arizona in between those mountains spread out before us. We could see Phoenix (Camelback, Squaw Peak, White Tanks, Estrellas, even Shadow Mountain by our house!), Fountain Hills, Cave Creek and Carefree, the Seven Springs area, the Bradshaws, even parts of the Verde Valley and Mingus Mountain. It was truly an incredible view! The rest of the day was an average day of hiking, though we noticed that as soon as we transitioned from AZT Passage 23 to AZT Passage 24, the trail became much smoother. Special thanks to whoever maintains Passage 24. It was fabulous! Shortly after 24 begins, the trail descends way down into a valley, where there was water for about 1/2 mile in the creek and various pools, then the trail climbs back out on the other side. We ended up camping at Brush spring on the other side of the ridge, which had plentiful water flowing at a good rate. Follow the cairns down a good 5 minutes (on a well defined use path) to get to the best water. The first couple areas you can get water are okay, but not great.

Day 4: Today, we met a cool guy who is retired and hikes full time. He doesn't own a house and his wife lives out of their Jeep. She's more of a camper, not a hiker, so she camps and he hikes. He started the CDT at the beginning of this summer, made it most of the way, but then got snowed in. So he hiked over to Flagstaff to do the AZT in the winter. He walked up to Utah, then back southbound and we met him in the Mazatzals. He plans to continue south to Superior, then take the Grand Enchantment Trail to Albuquerque. At that point, he and his wife will go to Georgia to visit relatives for Christmas, then he'll hike the 1,000 mile Florida trail before coming to to AZ to finish the AZT, then he'll finish the CDT later in the spring. Anyway, most of that is off topic, but it's a fun story, so I thought I'd share it here. :lol: As for us, we hiked most of the day and eventually made it to the East Verde River. At this point, we used the AZT connector trail to head back to Doll Baby Ranch, arriving just before sunset. From what I've heard, you can take the road all the way from LF Ranch to Doll Baby Ranch, but it's longer. The trail we took goes through some catclaw, but it's not too bad.

Day 5: Bonus day! We decided on a whim we'd like to try to hike AZT Passage 22 as well, so after getting dinner in Payson, we bought a few foodstuffs for lunch for the day hike. Unfortunately, we didn't have our day packs with us, so we used our backpacking packs for the day hike (we have the traditional backpacking packs that weigh around 5 lbs, not the lightweight ones). We got an early start and were pleasantly surprised at how much water there was along this section. The trail started out pretty good, but the descent along the homes in Sunflower was pretty nasty with large round rocks. We got to the power lines and there was one vehicle parked there. The best part of this hike was the section around the mine, where hiking northbound there was a ~2 mile section of trail that was perfectly smooth and slightly downhill. We made good time on that section! But overall the 18 miles and the 3,000+ feet of elevation gain took its toll on us, and we arrived at our vehicle about 45 minutes after sunset. There was a pretty full moon, so we never needed artificial light, but we were definitely cutting it a little close.

Conclusion: Overall, it was a phenomenal trip--perfect weather this time of year! Also a great way to burn some vacation days before the end of the year (more of that coming soon...) Stay safe out there, and RIP, GPS Joe.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
Some fall colors, particularly along the NOBO descent of passage 24 towards Doll Baby Ranch.

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The spring "basin" was full of cool clear water. Tasted great!

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Plenty of water here! Follow the cairns about 5 minutes for the best water.

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Plenty of water here...the spring box was full. Quality okay, but not great.

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Not only was the spring box full, but there was lots of water on the ground, and some natural pools.

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High quality water. Not sure how much it was flowing. We pulled water from the first pools you see in the slickrock. Further down the canyon it looked like there was some flow.

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Lots of water flowing into the East Verde River.

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I don't know about the spring particularly, but the whole creek was flowing with what I would call "light flow" on the HikeAZ scale. We filtered many liters in the canyon. Passage 22 had 3-4 creeks/sources along it!

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Pretty standard spring with box. Plenty of water here.

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There was some water in the creek.

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Looked everywhere. Just a little damp ground was the most I found.
 
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Mazatzal Red Hills AZT Trail Maintenance, AZ 
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Working weekend in the Mazatzal range on Red Hills AZT #24. Roger setup the event starting Friday morning and with a crew of 5 we backpacked in 6 miles from City Creek TH to the AZT junction. From there we camped about a mile into the section and started working north of that. Mostly brushing and a small tree cut was the afternoons work before heading back to camp.

On Saturday we continued brushing about 1 mile section to completion. Also, two of the group split off to crosscut 13 trees in the same section. That was a major undertaking with the largest tree almost 3 feet in diameter. We continued to work until about 430 before heading back to camp for another night.

Sunday the goal was to hike out and do some brushing on the Mazatzal Divide Trail on the way back to City Creek TH. We were interested in one section where the trail is a bit confusing so that was cleaned up to make the trail obvious. And the other section was everyone’s favorite nasty catclaw that needed to be cleared. Arrived back at the vehicle about 2pm and headed home. We were able to get a lot of work done but still more to clear on the section. We will be back!
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AZT in a Day Mazatzal Red Hills, AZ 
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Took part in the AZT in a Day event hiking the Mazatzal Red Hills section. We drove up Friday afternoon and hiked in about 5 miles from Doll Baby trailhead before finding camp for the night. Next day we ascended the big hill out of East Verde Valley over to Brush Spring. Took a break at the spring an fileted several liters. Plenty of water with several pools at the spring.

Continuing southbound we found some more good pools on the other side of Red Hills Divide below Knob Mountain. There is lots of bedrock in the section so with all the rain the water was pooling and flowing nicely. Eventually we continued on to City Creek trail junction and over to the Park completing the section. For camp we hiked back towards the City Creek trail junction for our exit next day.

Next day we just had to hike down City Creek trail about 6 miles to the trailhead. However, since we were parked at Doll Baby we also had to hike the road but it was only 1.2 miles. One thing to note is that with all the rain seemed like every decent sized drainage had either flowing water or pools. Great time to be in the Mazzies until it dries up!
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Red Hills AZT loop, AZ 
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One of those days when we decided on a route after leaving home. Set off from Doll Baby TH, for either a Bull Springs Cabin ONB or Red Hills loop. One of my friends hadn't been to the ruins yet, so we took a little side trip. Before we hit AZT, I saw a route on my map that I thought could be a shortcut; when it appeared to be heading up Bullfrog Ridge before hitting AZT, we decided to just head back down to the trail. Waste of 20 minutes or so, but gotta make it fun somehow.

At the Brush Trail junction, we decided on the loop. Brush Spring was a nice area with good camping, but dry. We blew right by the Red Hills trail junction, which I realized when it started dropping down the west side. Turns out the AZT takes a hard left, and the sign is obscured by a tree when you're heading from Brush Trail. Bonus mile I guess.

Red Hills trail was nice, the upper part of Boardinghouse Canyon was pretty.

Drop down Mazatzal Divide trail was fun, cruised a lot of the way. Got back to the car right at sunset.

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Some frozen pools in one of the upper arms along Red Hills Trail, otherwise dry.

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We spent long weekend doing AZT in a Day event on the Mazatzal AZT. Our section was from The Park to Brush Spring about 7.5 miles. We started at Mineral Creek trailhead which is the most direct access to the The Park but didn’t’ start until about noon. Fortunately, it’s only about 4.5 miles to The Park from Mineral Creek so the late start was not an issue. However, being a short trail it’s very steep as it ascends to the Mazatzal Divide especially in the first 2 miles. There was decent water at Mineral Spring as we passed by and continued the climb. Towards the top before The Park the trail disappears in spots and is difficult to follow for the last ¾ mile to The Park. After fighting through the last brushy spots we reached The Park and setup camp. Once setup we headed over to Petes Pond for water but with the dry conditions we were not totally sure it would have water. Fortunately, it did have water which was a bit green from algae but it tasted fine. Headed back to camp and settled in for the night.

Next day for AZT in a Day event we just had to hike from The Park to Brush Spring about 7.5 miles. So we were not rushed and able to take our time. We are also AZT stewards for the section and took time to do minor trail work and document tree fall issues. Arrived at Brush Spring and checked for water which is near the camp and not where the Brush Spring sign is located. Apparently there used to be water there but it’s dried up and now the water is several hundred feet away from the sign. After filtering water we enjoyed the camp spot and the pleasant temps at Brush Spring.

Last day Sunday we had to hike from Brush Spring back out to Mineral Creek trailhead about 12 miles. On the way out we ran into Roger, Rob, and Jack doing Mazatzal transit backpack documenting trail conditions of AZT. We had lunch with them and shared notes on needed trail work and trail conditions in general. Great to see the guys and chat with them! I also did some extra off trail in search water for future trips and found a couple of small pools even in these dry conditions. It was a good sign and come spring time there should be decent pools. After that we continued heading back towards The Park where we took another break. From there it was out to Mineral Creek fighting the brushy section and then the big drop. The downhill is tedious but the steepest part is only 2 miles long so it goes relatively quick. Great weekend in the Mazatzal’s!!

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decent pools about 300 feet or so downstream of the sign

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decent flow along the trail. Several spots to access small pools

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pool was very low and a bit green from algae but water tasted fine
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Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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A group of us headed out to LF ranch to replace the old / broken sign for Saddle Ridge trail. On the way in we harvested a nice juniper post for the sign.
We got help from two of the ranch folks: Maryann and Noodle the calf :lol:
On the way back we harvested another juniper post for the signpost “inventory”.
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Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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More sign work today, to finish what we started last summer. We missed an ancient trail sign near the gate at LF Ranch last time out so we got it today. Signs make one humble.

An additional task was to collect a GPS track of the shortcut route along the river. This cuts off a bunch of road walking and considerable up and down between the Doll Baby Wilderness gate and the AZT near the LF Ranch. It's not a well-maintained thoroughfare, but if you keep your eyes open you can follow it, electronic navigation helps though. The section that is the old road at Tub Draw is very steep and rocky.

More AZT fun. Thanks Richard, Roger, Joe, Maryann, Noodle and the two dogs!
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 Jackson, CA
Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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Back in the Mazzies again for AZT-in-a-day, Sections 48-49 from The Park to the East Verde. Suggested approach was via Mineral Creek TH and North Peak trail, but that road and trail aren't the most pleasant. So I started at City Creek TH > up to the AZT > south to The Park > back north to the river and out to Doll Baby. Some extra hiking miles, but I don't mind. The only water I saw was isolated pools in the forested canyon along the south end of the passage.
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Miscellaneous AZT chores today, including two signs, one at the LF Ranch and one at General Springs. A bit toasty as we left LF, 102 on the T thermometer. Yes, we drove in and were indeed Wilderness "legal" as guests of the LF Ranch. Not sure if I'd rather drive that road or walk it.
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 Phoenix, AZ
Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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The last day would be a long day in spite of it being a short day. My blisters were going to cause me grief and they did; especially the last miles but nonetheless, we got 'er done. And now for the climb out of this drainage; got you warmed up really fast, but it wasn't long and the trail was decent enough. We contoured our way in the manzanita cleared pathway to where we would see what looked like an old road. I thot we would be turning right (east) but no, this is the Arizona Trail as you have to travel in the opposite direction for several miles before going in the right direction toward the Trailhead :lol: .

There was lots more flora here, some new, some still smelly, the verbena that reminded me of a gardenia smell. I'm not a fan of gardenia smell. As we got to the junction where you turn the wrong way, we could see rays of sunshine in the eastern distance hitting the landscape; always a cool site. And now we continued going up the side of this mountain until we hit fir trees for a bit which was a nice surprise. As we topped out in this section and started heading back down the other side, the rain started slowly. However, as we made more progress switch-backing our way down this side, the 20% chance of rain increased significantly.

Tracy and Shawn had pulled over into an area with a couple very small trees and were huddled under a piece of plastic trying to shelter ourselves from the 100% rain. I had my umbrella up already but decided I needed to get my rain jacket out. Shawn thot that would be a good idea and then the rain would quit. Well guess what, it did start to let up fairly quickly after I had put my jacket on.

So off we went and we would soon all be taking off our rain gear. There was some more pretty flora and you could look up at the rock cliff bands above you as well as see all the rain in the distance. It seemed to linger out there which, of course, was better than lingering here. The trail would go up and down quite a few times but it was good trail so that was nice. The flora continued including some cold poppies which were a surprise to see in this elevation. We got to the Bull Spring Trail Junction and would now be hiking on that trail (Bull Spring Mesa was above us - behind us to the west) alongside Bull Spring Canyon with its ridge to our ESE.

Eventually we would finally head east more or less for the rest of the hike. We took a break here and then headed on down the trail thru some of the area that looked like it had experienced some burn. Back a ways I had noted this red rock area and wondered if we would have to go up that...but of course. So we still had to go up and down hills and thru a nicely treed area before one last rockier than heck hill to the TH. What a relief to get here. Shawn and Tracy put on some big smiles so I could get a couple photos of them as we celebrated the "DONE" factor :app: .

We still had the 3 1/2 mile road walk with its hills too. Shawn thot it was supposed to be fairly flat but it really wasn't except for the first and last 1/2 miles. We did enjoy the views along the way and the vistas but it wasn't easy plus it was a little warmer now with the humidity in the air. We found some more flora as well so that was a nice distraction from the mission to get to the car.

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I think I got these nearly 40 miles of passages pretty well Tibberfied; I would say Tibbernated but I feel the Mazzies got the best of me. It was hard to shoot much video due to the terrain; altho for those of you that make it thru my videos you are probably eternally grateful. I don't think I would do this trek again or if I had known. I'm just past that stage I'm afraid. I'm grateful for the AZT Section Crew plugging along without nearly the whining I engage in which you can hear on the video commentary from time to time.
Kudos to those that zip thru this stuff; I do envy you. But can you twirl a baton :lol: "?

PS the geocoding and time of photos is not right. I think the photos are off by 12 hours.
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Wildflowers Observation None
so many wildflowers. I had lots more photos. Surprise was the California poppies, even though they were closed.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Brush Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
the area behind the campground has plenty of water and the drainage had water almost the whole way.
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 Gilbert, AZ
Upper Mazatzal Loop, AZ 
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After traipsing around the wilderness for three years, this adventure completes the last of the Mazatzal trails for me. Saved this one for last, as it was one of the OG planned routes and I figured that I would need every bit of experience, both in terms of hiking and gear, in order to knock it out in two days.

FR 194
Road walking in the dark. Bumped into two hunters, didn't even realize the season was starting in a few days.

Saddle Ridge #14
Once my eyes adjusted from the two-track to a single track it was pretty easy going. Cairns are big and tread is (usually) easy to make out, a dark line in the light grass, even with no moon to speak of and a few dozen candles strapped to my head. Sun waited until I was 4 miles in before it began to lighten the sky. After that it was smooth sailing, easy going over the pleasant trail, and the snow-dusted North Peak beckoned me onward with icy promises. Watered up at Whiterock Spring, which is heckin' beautiful. Only annoying section is that drop off of Polles Mesa, that got a little painful. Briefly checked out Polk Spring and then crossed the East Verde with little fanfare. That half mile of trail on the south side dragged.

Bull Spring #34
The haul up and over Copper Mountain was just enough to warm me up. It's better defined than I remembered - then again, last year, I had been stumbling down this way hours after sunset, so I may have been biased. Conceded to giving my legs a twenty minute break near Bullfrog Spring to down some water and caffeine before the main climb of the day. Then it was off to the races, a steady march up to the pass, and I passed the time looking around at the other roads criss-crossing their way up these hills. The tread on this trail is smooth and easy enough to let the eyes wander, a rare treat in the Mazzies.

Trail began to fade immediately after the AZT junction, which is to be expected, though it was never hard to track through the waist-high brush, even without a cairn in sight. Beyond the pass there are two minor drainages to swing through, the first of which has an old mining exploration and trailside tank to check out, before the drop into the valley of Bull Spring(s). Along the way I began to pick up the smell of something big and dead and I wondered if something would be fouling up one of the two water sources ahead (ick!) or if I'd stumble upon a kill (yay?). Never found the source of the smell. Anyways, took a break at Bull Spring to pull up to full capacity, struggled a bit to find a steady tread in the area, and then proceeded to LF Hilton, which is in rough shape.

Wet Bottom #269
One of the two sections of trail that I feared the most - yet it had such a great start. No sign at the junction by the cabin, just a curve in the trail. As soon as it crosses the drainage a steady line of cairns show up (a promising sight, after the cairn-free Bull Spring Trail) and a wide, rocky tread marches up the hillside. I was feeling a little tired at this point (over 20 miles behind me) and I noticed, with some dismay, that after the climb there was a second little drainage and valley to walk through. At least there were some good rock tanks down here, so I took the time to guzzle one of my bladders and refill it.

The west side of the valley marked an important point. First, there's a spur trail to Childer's Seep (which I didn't have the time or energy to check out today). Also, it marks the edge of the Willow Fire boundary. This, this is what I was looking forward to the most: a Mazatzal trail near 5000', south of the East Verde, that was spared from that fire. It was immediately gratifying. Old junipers and pinyons and other trees that I'm not smart enough to name (no ponderosas) clustered on the top of this mesa. The route swung back and forth, offering views north to Limestone and south to Wet Bottom Creek and Midnight Mesa, mostly shaded along the way. The cairns were large and the tread, even when it was covered by low branches, was well-defined. I did lose it a few times, either due to impatience or grassy sections.

When the trail began to drop is when it got harder and harder to follow. There were a few obvious re-routes done in more recent years that deviated from my track and, sometimes, didn't even make sense to me. One particularly memorable example was where the route dropped steadily down a drainage with small, humble cairns, only to suddenly be re-routed 300 yards for a mild switchback using huge, chest-high cairns, and then revert back to the little rock piles and original tread. And then, below contour 4400', the trail hugs the north side of a ridge and all bets are off, with game trails, thick growth, and loose ground all conspiring to cause mayhem. I fought this for almost an hour and made a mile of progress and decided to call it a night.

Found a pleasant saddle with a flat spot protected by a large pinyon and quickly set up camp, getting the basic structure in before light left the sky. After the initial rush I took my time boiling water for dinner and tea before settling in with the Kindle. By eight I was completely out and, with the exception of a few rollovers, slept right through the night, one of the better sleeps I've had outside. Woke up an hour before light and just barely got my camp packed up before it started to drizzle. Made oatmeal and coffee under the soft, inconsistent patter of tiny droplets.

The final four miles of trail passed by quickly, becoming steadily better defined the closer I got to the next junction. The only nasty bit was a valley (more like a mesquite maze surrounded by a moat of catclaw) that I eventually did find a way, but not the right way, through. Took a while to pick up the trail on the far side. Squaw Butte became more defined as I descended and the morning drizzle faded in and out, never enough to warrant taking my poncho out for. Reached Highwater at 900, which was the planned campsite for last night, putting me a solid 3 hours behind schedule.

Highwater #20
Feels like I was just on this thing. Watered up at Canyon Creek, otherwise kept my feet moving northward. The rain and mist was starting to thicken and I was started to get worried that my contingency plan (spending a second night out here) might not work with these cold temps and wet weather. This time I followed the trail all the way to the proper junction w/ Verde and found a lonely pole, no sign, to mark it.

Verde River #11
The second feared section of trail, and it was... impeccable. Seriously. It is in at least, if not better, as good of condition as Highwater. Shortly after the junction it cuts right down to the river with a series of rocky switchbacks and then, complete with good cairns, marches along the sandy banks with a few jumps to avoid different obstacles. The first two miles has a lot of bovine traffic, and they stuck to the tread. I was surprised to see a well-defined trail so remote and took advantage of it, putting on the afterburners to make up time.

Rain was coming down pretty steady by now, which, coupled with the wet brush, had my shirt, pants, and boots completely soaked. The temps were in the mid-50s so, as long as I kept moving, this wasn't a problem. Thanks to the well-defined trail and flat going there was no real need to stop, so I didn't. Sure, there were plenty of cool things to take photos of (Squaw Butte kept stealing the show, but there was also Red Wall Rapids, a few very rugged washes, and even a campsite or two), and there were also long stretches of straight path through creosote. Things got a little hairy near the end, when I got impatient on the far side of 2878' and decided to take a more direct route instead of backtracking to the tread and had to play spider-monkey on some rock walls above the Verde. Made it to the East Verde in one piece and let a deep sigh out - it was almost all known trail from here.

Watered up, changed socks, and launched towards the final 11 miles with just a hair over three hours of daylight left. Initial climb to Deadman Mesa Trail was new ground and was steep and rocky and simple to follow. Then I swung east and began the long climb to Twin Buttes. There were two things that I wasn't ready for. The first was fogged glasses... the harder I climbed, the more I steamed, and harder it was to see, which forced me to take periodic breaks to wipe the fog away (cue flashbacks to Midwest hiking). Second was the mud. Everyone complains about the rocks on this trail, yet the mud is so much worse. Even a 20' section of mud would add pounds of clay to each boot, weighing me down and throwing my balance off. I would pray for rocks just to knock some of the clods off.

This quickly became a muddy death march. Thankfully the trail is easy to follow and I could dedicate my focus on sliding one foot in front of the other and not hunting cairns. At least I saw some elk, and cattle, and even a very fat rabbit to break things up. Was within a mile of the boundary when I had to haul out the headlamp, which didn't help at all, and I stumbled-tripped, all balance and coordination wiped out by the haul, in a generally correct direction until, ten feet from the metal posts, a pair of headlights flipped on and completely blinded me. Two hunters (a different set) were very friendly and offered me a ride back down to my Jeep below, which I couldn't agree to fast enough.

Mazatzal Miles: 275/275 (100%)
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Along the Verde, so lovely.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bee Tree Tanks 26-50% full 26-50% full
Super muddy. A gang of elk were going to town in it.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bull Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Both cement trough and metal ring were full of clear water, minimal green stuff near bottom, tasted great.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bull Trap Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Plenty of shallow pools, tho Bull Spring up a ways seemed more appealing / dependable.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max East Verde River Medium flow Medium flow
Plenty of water, though there are still dry crossing spots if you hunt for a bit.


water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Polk Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Beautiful area, lots and lots of water.

dry Red Metal Tank Dry Dry
Nothing.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Red Saddle Tank 51-75% full 51-75% full
Lots of mud, murky water would be hard to reach and totally not worth it.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Rock Creek Heavy flow Heavy flow
Almost as much water flowing into the E Verde as... the E Verde itself.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Saddle Ridge Pasture Tank 76-100% full 76-100% full

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Whiterock Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Tank was overflowing with clear, cold water.
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 Peoria, AZ
City Creek and AZT Passage 24, AZ 
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I decided at the last minute on Friday to spend the weekend tackling AZ Trail #24 (Red Hills) as a loop starting from City Creek TH west of Payson and making my way back to City Creek. I planned to camp at the Verde just below LF Ranch, making Saturday about a 15.5 mile trek. I told myself if I could get to the Verde by 4:00pm, I'd just finish the whole thing in the same day.

I got to the City Creek trailhead right at 6:30am on Saturday with my fastpack overnight kit and headed up the trail. With a brisk 3000' elevation gain in the first 5.5 miles to get to the junction and start of the Red Hills passage, I was feeling good and taking tons of pictures along the climb. This loop starts at 3,450' and tops off at 6100', following a ridgeline with a saddle and second high point before a knee-crushing descent down towards LF Ranch by the East Verde River. A 36 degree start quickly turned into a gorgeous 60 degree day and I shed layers quickly thanks to the climb.

I was watching my timing, seeing if it was possible to stay on pace and finish the loop the same day. I was cutting it close because I couldn't stop shooting some fantastic landscape shots. I was testing out a new camera so of course I was fidgeting with settings and also getting used to a new polarization filter. After a lunchbreak at Brush Spring (great camp area, btw), I knew I was pushing my 4pm deadline for getting to the Verde so I minimized my photo time and got moving.

Making great time on the downhill section to LF, I got to the Verde at exactly 3:59pm. One minute ahead of plan :D So, a quick water fill at the Verde to get me through the last ~6 miles and I was back on the trail. Those last few miles, while racing the sunset, were punishing on the knees. Typical PODs beat up my joints and I could feel my right IT band screaming at me. I got to my truck right as the sun was setting and headed into Payson for a 5 Guys celebration meal. Another AZT passage in the books.

Besides the always-flowing Verde River, the only other trailside water I encountered was right at the 1 mile mark past the start of the Red Hills passage southern terminus. A beautiful Ponderosa-filled drainage with cool and clear pools of standing water over about a 1/4 mile area.

22.4 miles with 5597' of elevation gain is by far my new PR for a single-day hike. Not bad for an old fat guy.
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dry Brush Spring Dry Dry
No visible water, but I didn't venture down the drainage to the actual coordinates. Already had water from the seeps about 2 miles south of here.

dry SE 5395 Spring Dry Dry
No visible water anywhere
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We combined 23 & 24 to simplify the logistic. These were a couple of the AzTrails more brutal passages with an unusual abundance of water from a recent storm with winter temps creating an inviting playground to practice your ups. You'd cross one mountain, squint across to the meanest hill in front of you and make out a trail you knew you were climbing in an hour. This track was a confidence builder, but choose your season carefully because I doubt many others enjoyed these tough passages as much as us. Another great trip with the Punished.
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Done with AZT 24 for shuttling purposes. Camped at Mt Peeley TH on Thursday started hiking Friday Morning. Plan was to knock out 15 miles first day, 15 second and final 10 on Sunday. Extra mileage factored in due to distance to shuttle parking.

The first 8 miles in pretty much uphill, quite the bear as once we got above 6k elevation every North facing slope was still covered in snow. So a fair bit of post-holing and wet feet. The recent storm had pretty much ever seasonal water source going, so that lift our spirits. Camped at Chilson Camp.

Day two I made everyone get up early so we could be on trail at first light. Hiked to Horse Camps Seep for watering up and morning break. Excellent site, tons of water. We cameled up hard before leaving and took ~6 liters each when leaving since once we dropped lower in elevation the likelihood of water shortened. Maybe a bad call as we found two more good sources along the way, but better safe than sorry on water in the desert. Plus, training weight! Camped at Brush Springs Campsite (spring was dry)

Day 3 hiked out the 6 miles to the LF Ranch road, took a break, and decided we didn't need to visit the river for water and tromped the 4 more miles back to Doll Baby Road for our vehicle.

Over all a very pretty and challenging hike. I worry about thru hikers in this range if we don't get more water in the spring. Going to be ugly and there's no easy way to portage out some water caches for them. It was a big topic among us all during the trip.

dry Brush Spring Dry Dry

dry Bullfrog Spring Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max SE 5395 Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Probably from recent storm
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