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Red Hills - AZT #24 - 17 members in 61 triplogs have rated this an average 3.6 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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mt98dewTriplogs 2,532
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With an invite from Chris another adventure in the Arizona wilderness. I’ve done several sections of the AZ Trail with Chris (and Wally). This would be my first section in the Mazzie’s. As is par when hiking with Chris, I forgot something in the vehicle transfer. Last time it was hiking shoes. ](*,) ](*,) This time it was Garmin. ](*,) Only one head but for the Garmin. Very annoying, but less painful. :lol: U fortunately, this means I am relying on others for the stats and I’m not able to give you a mile by mile break down of the hike. (This is probably a bonus for readers, because it will be a much shorter write-up). :app:

Got to the TH around 6:30. Except for the very end, the road back to Doll Baby was not bad. Most of it was paved. This passage of the AZ Trail is all about the climbs - at least it was for me. And there were four of them. The first is right out of the gates as you walk a road to reach the AZT. The second occurs right after leaving the Verde River. There is one “minor” up and down before getting to the UP. This section wasn’t necessarily steep. It was just a constant uphill grind with almost no flat sections to speak of. Probably one of the longest continuous climbs that I’ve done. (Even the Grand Canyon has notable flat sections). With all that climbing I’d like to say that we reached a summit, but it was more of a saddle. It still offered some nice views and was noteworthy because now we had a few miles of relatively flat terrain.

The third climb started when we passed Brush Spring. This was kind of a neat little area. There were some trees that provided shade (that didn’t last long) and just a hint of water in the stream bed that paralleled the trail. (I’m sure this would be a very enjoyable stretch when water is flowing). The climb starts very gradually and isn’t bad at all, but once it leaves the stream bed and starts to climb the slope it ramps up in intensity. Very exposed and some of the steeper sections on this hike. Also, some pretty spectacular views. BUT, once you reach the top you feel like the hike is practically over. It’s not. We probably still had 10 miles to do, but almost no elevation. The distant views become minimal for next 3-4 miles. But this is a decent trade off because we get flat, even descending terrain, that is forested. At some point we pick up a decent flowing stream that added to the “feel” of the hike. You can’t go wrong with the sound of flowing water. This involved a couple of creek crossings. All easily done. Sadly, we left the stream and started our last climb. Knowing this was our final push, it felt very doable. We were rewarded with some great views to the north and east and a little bit later as we wrapped around the slope of North Peak. At this point in time, it was all down hill; 3+ miles of downhill. Wally and I reached the City Creek TH and then proceeded to road walk back to Doll Baby. We arrived at the vehicle to find Chris waiting for us. He had gotten fed up with the trail we were hiking down, (don’t blame him) and had decided to trailblaze and cut a mile off the trail.

Writing this up a week later, the hike doesn’t seem that bad. I imagine if I had written this up immediately after the hike this log might be a little different. :lol: For the most part the trails were in great shape. AZT was very nice. With one exception, it was well marked and easy to follow. (Wally and I came to junction where the trail sign had fallen over and it wasn’t clear which way the AZT went. On hindsight, following the “cleaner” trail would have been the obvious deduction). The descent on the Mazatzal Divide was a little annoying. Very brushy at first and then very rocky as you got toward the bottom. Encountered 2 through hikers near out midway point. Amazingly, no wildlife. We did see what might have been some cat prints as we went along the Brush Trail. We hit quite a few trails as we did this passage: Saddle (very briefly), Bull Springs, Brush, Red Hills and the Mazatzal Divide. Sadly, we only did parts of all these trails so I can’t really take credit for any of them. Thanks again for the invite Chris. It’s always great catching up and exploring new trails.
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Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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Early chatter referred to this as the Doll Baby death march but the weather cooperated and the climbs were moderate at times so there were no casualties. :lol: We go an early start around 6:35am and it was nice cool to start. The climbs started early and kept coming but the breeze really came through.
At one saddle we seemed pretty high up but we were only at 5,400 feet and eventually climbed to 6,100 feet. The views are nice and the ridges easy to hike. We did see two through hikers and that was it for the day.
We hiked our own pace and regrouped from time to time. The AZT sections are in good shape the descent down the Mazatzal Divide trail was a little overgrown and rocky. The hike went well considering the AEG and miles. My GPS threw a random point just to turn me around but then adjusted. My track actually skips the section I hiked over and back and over.
We finished up before dark and everyone was still standing so it's a win. : rambo :
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Red Hills - AZT #24Payson, AZ
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I had this route set up nearly 2 years ago, waiting for the narrow window in AZ weather where it's not too hot and no snow at the higher elevations in the Mazzies. With the mild winter we've been having and the days getting longer but not too warm yet, the time to strike was now. Wally and Brian agreed to join me. Brian has also been getting sections of the AZT done, but that morning when he showed up, he seemed very tired and had the demeanor of someone who had changed his mind but forgot to tell everyone.

We started from the Doll Baby TH just after 6:30am, doing the loop counter clockwise. Wally and I had hiked the Saddle Ridge Trail over a decade ago and the road you hike up over the hill has been graded and is much easier to walk on. It's still steep in spots, but much less rocky. The shortcut to the river is very steep and rocky at first, then it levels out and is very pleasant.

The big climb started up Bull Spring. It's gradual most of the way, but steep in some spots. As you ascend there are nice views to the north of the Mogollon Rim and Polles Mesa. After the junction with the Brush Trail, there is a short descent, followed by another climb that's very steep at first, then mellows out a bit.

Once we got to the saddle, the trail descends again down towards Brush Spring. Just before the spring at the saddle, Wally suggested a lunch break as there was a downed tree that made for good seating. Afterwards once we got to Brush Spring, we noticed many other areas that probably would have made for a better lunch spot. Murphy's Law strikes again.

On the way up Bull Spring and Brush, my hamstring was bothering me a bit and after sitting for lunch it tightened up even more. I was limping most of the mile after that, but after a couple ibuprofens, I felt brand new. I usually wear a knee brace and compression sleeve on my right knee as I have some mild arthritis there, but for a bigger hike like this one, I decided to put one on my left knee, which will hurt sometimes on bigger hikes. The compression sleeve was pinching a muscle or ligament or something above my knee, which I think may have contributed to the hamstring issue. The next day, my hamstring is fine, but the inner part of my left leg is still sore.

the hike up after Brush Spring was the worst part. Very steep and rocky, and my slowest time for that mile. Once it leveled out, we spotted some tracks that looked like they might be from a mountain lion. There was one more descent before the final climb to the Mazatzal Divide Trail, which was the end of our climbing for the day. I kept paying attention the total AEG and was more interested for that be done more than the mileage.

About halfway down the MDT, I saw Wally ahead of me below. He stopped and was looking at his GPS. Then he turned around and headed back up the trail like he had missed a turnoff. I checked my GPS and I could see that we were all on the correct trail. Wally ran into Brian and then they both were headed back up the trail to meet me and inform me that we were off trail, at which point I interrupted them and told them no we weren't, turn around and go back down. Wally looked at his GPS again and suddenly he was back on the trail. he must have lost one of his satellite signals.

Heading down the MDT, the views are great. At the start you get a glimpse of the SF Peaks in Flagstaff, then there area great views of North Peak and the Mogollon Rim. the descent on this trail down to the City Creek TH is very nice at first, and then gradually gets worse. It gets a little more overgrown the lower you get, and there are more and more loose and rocky spots.

I made a route at the last mile that cuts across the hillside and goes directly to the Doll Baby TH. I mentioned this to Wally and Brian before the hike. When we were higher up, Brian asked me if I was going to take the shortcut I made. At the time the trail was easier to hike and we were moving pretty good, so I said I would probably stay on trail,but I would make my decision when I got there. When I got to the turnoff point, the MDT was rocky enough to make me miserable after 18 miles, so I took my shortcut. Wally and Brian were long gone. The shortcut was actually easier to hike than the trail at that point. I made a point to make the route to follow the easiest grade of the land and as I kept looking at it to guide me, it worked out very well. There was one loose spot that was easily negotiated. Some overgrowth and catclaw here and there, but very easy to avoid. I think there was even a cattle trail that I ended up one, making it even easier. The only glitch was the barbed wire fence along the road that I had to hop. It was a little tricky, but I was able to handle it. Just before we left, I noticed that the barbed wire ended at the gabions that line the trailhead parking lot, so I went through all that for nothing.

Stopped for some cheaper gas in Payson and then drove straight home, arriving at my place just after dark. After I pulled into my driveway, the sound of 3 old guys getting out of the car after a 20 mile and nearly 1 mile vertical hike was amusing to us. Still sore today, but in a good way.
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AZT 24A Red Hills Trail Maintenance, AZ 
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Held a 4 day backpack AZT trail maintenance event on my section of the AZT. Being the section steward managed to get a group of 12 so plenty of help to get the work done.

Friday morning we started from City Creek Trailhead at 8am and hiked up the 6 miles to the junction with the Red Hills 24A section of AZT. From there camp was about 3/4 mile northbound on the AZT and with all the rain recently we had flowing water at camp in the drainage.

Next morning it was time to get to work. One group headed for Brush Spring about 3.5 miles away to relocate the Brush Spring sign into the correct location. They also significantly improved an existing primitive route from the sign to the spring area clearing brush and tree fall from the path. End result is very wide obvious path to water from the AZT.

The rest of the group brushed the two miles from City Creek AZT junction northbound. Cleared lots of manzanita, scrub oak, gamble oak and some downed trees. We all met back at camp about 330 and called it a day. Fairly pleasant evening with lows in the upper 30's.

On Sunday one group cut several trees with a crosscut saw. One cut in particular was fairly complex with 22 inch diameter tree on a tricky slope. The others were more straight forward but still required crosscut.

Rest of the group continued the 2 miles of brushing and we managed to finish the entire section by end of day on Sunday. Very successfuly weekend on my section of AZT and the trail is in best shape it's ever been! Spent one more night at camp before hiking out on Monday and mexican food in Payson :y:

Huge thanks to all the volunteers for their time and hard work :D
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Mazatzal AZT Red Hills Trail Recon, AZ 
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We hiked into the AZT Red Hills section to recon for an upcoming AZT Red Hills Trail event. Unfortunately, it was one of the weekends with the heavy rain forecast. However, I was running out of weekends to do a recon of the section to see what work needed to be done. We pushed the trip back a day hoping that Friday would be the heaviest rain and also arrived later on Saturday to hopefully miss even more forecasted rain.

We started hiking from City Creek Trailhead just before 1pm. There was the threat of rain but on the 6 miles up to the AZT junction only had a light rain a few times. Arrived at camp just before 530 and started to setup. We had everything setup and was rehydrating our meal and then the rain moved in about 630. It rained very hard and really didn't stop until around 6 the next morning...but at least it stopped :)

Got up and had breakfast with the creek next to camp now flowing nicely! Then grabbed our gear and headed to out to check trail conditions. Found several downed trees some being new from last time. Checked all the areas that were in need of brushing and made notes of any other trail work. We hiked all the way to Brush Spring which is the north end of the my section.

At Brush Spring the sign has been in the wrong location for quite a while. One of the goals of the upcoming trail event was to move the sign to correct location and improve an existing route to the spring from the AZT. There was a large tree down on the route to the spring so that would also need to be removed. Took a break at the spring to enjoy some lunch and fortunately the forecast for Sunday which called much less rain chance was correct.

After lunch we hiked the 4 miles back to camp for one more night. Made a few more notes on the way back and enjoyed all the heavily flowing drainages that are normally dry this time of year. Back at camp settled in for the night. Some light rain overnight but nothing like the previous night.

Next morning we hiked back out to City Creek Trailhead and headed for Payson for mexican food at La Sierra!! Great to get the worklist completed before the upcoming trail event!

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plenty of water from the spring and in the pools below
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AZT Red Hills via City Creek TH, AZ 
AZT Red Hills via City Creek TH, AZ
 
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Day hiked into the Mazatzal from City Creek Trailhead with Roger. We were looking at possible reroute of the AZT near the City Creek junction northbound. It's still in the early discovery phase and a work in progress.

Great day to hike into the AZT. Temps were a bit chilly at 23 for the 730 start at City Creek Trailhead but that just made for a pleasant day throughout the hike. Reached the City Creek AZT junction and took a break. Then we proceeded to evaluate the reroute options. Spent a good 4 plus hours negotiating off trail manzanita and scrub oak to look for possible reroute.

After that we hiked the same way out back to City Creek Trailhead. To be continued...
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Mazatzal Doll Baby Ruins and Red Hills, AZ 
Mazatzal Doll Baby Ruins and Red Hills, AZ
 
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We returned to the Mazatzals today for the second time in three weeks. This was my first time starting from Doll Baby TH, and the road was in good shape on the drive in--just two shallow water crossings and some deep ruts on the part of the road that crosses Doll Baby Ranch. There was one other vehicle parked at the trailhead, and the temp was in the mid-50s and very comfortable when we set out.

Our first stop was the main ruins site on the red cliffs. It's labeled on the topo map, so it's not surprising that it gets a lot of traffic--there was an obvious, cairned use trail branching off FR 406. But it was an impressive site, with tall perimeter walls and outlines of a few interior rooms, and it's in a beautiful spot near the edge of the cliff overlooking the Verde River below. The big vertical slab of rock sticking up in one of the doorways is odd...not sure what purpose that served other than sealing off a doorway or if that's a modern addition.

[ youtube video ]

We explored the site for a while and returned to the road, continuing to the Verde River shortcut to connect with Saddle Ridge/Bull Spring/Red Hills. After a short break at Copper Mountain, we continued on Bull Spring as it started the steady climb. I made the Brush Trail intersection my turnaround point to leave some time to visit a smaller ruin site back near the trailhead on the way out.

We stopped for lunch in the shade near the gate/turnoff for the the cliff ruins, and a truck pulling a trailer drove up from the trailhead and passed us--the only people I saw all day. Once we were further down, TboneKathy returned to the trailhead while I left the road and started following the route that @Oregon_Hiker and Grasshopper took ~10 years ago to see the small (almost certainly non-ancient) rock wall on a rock outcropping en route to an overlook across from a small, second ruin site on a larger outcropping.

I'd seen close-up pictures of the site and knew it wasn't anything spectacular, but I still wanted to try to get over there, and by that time backtracking through all the brush I'd already endured was unappealing, so I continued past the overlook/turnaround point on their route and followed the ridge until I could drop down and cross the ravine and access the ridge with the ruin. The brush was relentless, right up to the rocks walls. As expected, I didn't find any pottery, just the whitish walls along the edge of the cliff, but it was satisfying to get up there and avoid backtracking.

I dropped down off the east side of the ridge and headed straight for the trailhead ~3/4 mile away. That was a very scratchy and unpleasant bushwhack through catclaw, manzanita, and various sharp stuff. At times, it felt like one of those nightmares where you keep moving but don't seem to go anywhere--especially frustrating when the trailhead is so close down below but feels so far away...it was a relief to finally get out of that mess. Ruin site #2 definitely has a very low reward/effort ratio...I don't see any enjoyable way to get up there, and TboneKathy had no regrets about skipping that part of the hike.

Despite that unpleasantness at the end, it was a good day--a new part of the Mazatzals for both of us, great weather and scenery, and plenty of solitude. And we saw a few colorful birds near the river in the morning, two small snakes on the road/trail later on, plus a few elk in Payson on the drive in.
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A small pools where the East Verde River Shortcut trail crosses the canyon

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Didn't check spring source directly, but light flow of water across Red Hills Trail below the spring
 
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Started about 8am from Mineral Springs TH up the North Peak Trail. North Peak Trail has been cleared over the past several years so it's much easier to follow than in the past, but it's still really steep. Eventually we made it to The Park and took a break.

After the break the goal was to head north bound on AZT/Mazatzal Divide to just past the City Creek Trail junction. We are stewards for the AZT section from City Creek to Brush Spring so we wanted to check out our section for trail conditions and any needed work. There is a nice ponderosa section below the City Creek Trail junction and setup camp there before day hiking over to Brush Spring.

It was nice to drop the backpacks and put on day packs. Continuing north bound towards Brush Spring and checking out the trail. Eventually we made it to Brush Spring and went down to the actual spring which is a little off the trail. Spring was not as full as I've seen it but there were some ok pools just below the spring area. We filtered a couple of liters before heading back towards camp about 4 miles one way.

On the way back it started to get dark but I did remember before camp there were some good pools just off the trail. With the good water we decided to filter all our water for rest of weekend. After that it was just about 1/4 mile to camp and time to relax.

Next morning had a leisurely wake up. After packing up we headed up to the City Creek Trail junction and dropped packs to do a little bit of brushing from the junction downhill on the trail. Spent a couple of hours brushing but still more to be done on that slope north bound. Then we just had to hike back out to The Park and down North Peak Trail. Good recon of the trail and what needs to be done!

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Brush Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
spring seemed a bit low but the there were a couple of good pools just below the spring
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Combined with AZT#24 as a 4-day South to North Backpack from Mount Peeley TH to Doll Baby TH via the connector. 38.75 total miles with campsites at Bear Spring, Horse Camp and Brushy Spring. Good water at all springs and infinity rock pools at Horse Camp with Chorusing Canyon Tree Frogs.
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Red Hills Loop, AZ 
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For my first trip to Doll Baby TH, I chose the most popular loop and destination. I looped the full length of the Red Hills AZT section with Mazatzal Divide Trail, and visited the "Spanish Ruins" along its track. I did alter the loop slightly, making the trip down to the river via the LF East Verde Shortcut Trail instead of hiking the road to Bull Spring Trail. Started at 7am and went ccw.

Should have went a week earlier for the yellow sea of cottonwoods and sycamores around Doll Baby and along Bull Spring Trail. Better luck next year. Road walked to the ruins turnoff. The trail up to the clifftop is obvious, wide, well-cairned. I'd make the trip for the cliff overlook as soon as for the ruins, though they were more interesting than I expected. Nearly 6ft tall, lots of rooms, and killer views toward Doll Baby, North Peak, and Whiterock Mesa.

More road down to the river shortcut. The shortcut trail is marked with a giant cairn and some pink ribbons. At first the tread is appalling, but once down to the river it's sandy and soft. It saved a half mile plus the climb on the road up and down around Copper Mountain.

Connected the shortcut trail with five minutes of Saddle Ridge Trail before getting onto Bull Spring Trail. Good tread and a reasonable ~3kft climb up into the Mazzies. Seems like a bummer section through-hiking south. Connected with Brush Trail which was very scenic from the top of Bullfrog Canyon to the Red Hills Trail junction. Patches of conifers delight as the trail winds through the brushy burn area. No water at Brush Spring where the AZT signage ushers passers-by, but continuing west through the campsite there was some water trickling into clear pools in the creek below the spring. Views widen as the trail climbs to Red Hills.

Red Hills is the highlight stretch of the loop. Descends to the canyon bottom through an old, orange forest of ponderosa pines as nice as I've seen in the Mazzies. Interesting geology complements the forest well. There were some pools of stagnant water of varying quality in the tanks of the creek. I opted for the overlook once reaching the Mazatzal Divide Trail and headed the wrong way up that trail toward Knob Mountain for a view back over the the course of Red Hills.

Took a short break and then descended the northern end of MDT. It is the better route up or down compared to Bull Spring. The tread is smooth, the incline gentle, with better views off into the distance. Big views toward the Sierra Ancha, Deer Creek, and Tonto Basin. The views that way were pretty smokey, and over the course of the day it worked its way up around North Peak and into City Creek. Ended just as the smoke rolled through and didn't see anyone all day.
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Intro: I went out a couple weeks ago for a 4 day backpacking trip through the Mazatzals to complete passages 23 and 24 of the Arizona Trail. Accompanying me was my mom. We ended up hiking Passage 22 as a day hike after we finished the backpacking trip.

Car shuttle: We had two vehicles this time, so we dropped off the Chevy Suburban at Doll Baby Ranch, then drove the Ford Explorer to the Mt. Peeley Trailhead to begin our hike. We didn't want to have to drive the Mt. Peeley road more than necessary, so when we finished the backpacking trip at Doll Baby Ranch, we drove down highway 87 and camped off a forest service road that takes off 0.6 miles south of Sunflower. In the morning, we parked there off the 87 and hiked along the road 0.6 miles to the AZT to begin passage 22. After finishing the hike, we drove the Ford back to the highway, then picked up the Chevy and drove both home.

Day 1: By the time we got the cars where they needed to be, it was around noon. For anyone who's interested, it's an hour and a half from Doll Baby Ranch to Mt. Peeley Trailhead. So we got started hiking and wanted to make as many miles as possible before camp. Particularly, we try to avoid dry camps since they increase pack weight, so we were hoping to make it to Bear Spring. We saw the sign at the TH about GPS Joe, who had an unfortunate incident while hiking Sheep Mountain and his body has never been found. I never had the pleasure to know him, but I know he was influential here on HikeArizona and some of you helped with the search efforts. I wore my HikeArizona shirt in his honor. :) We were surprised by the initial climb, because I had thought the trail was supposed to descend from the Mt. Peeley TH. But after that was done, the rest of the day's hiking was pretty straightforward. The trail wound around past the canyon where Deer Creek has its headwaters. I've never hiked the Deer Creek trail in the Mazzies...but I've heard it's beautiful and I can't wait to go there! We made it to Bear Spring right about sunset and had just enough time to set up camp and cook dinner in daylight. We had enough water to make it through the night, so we waited to take the 1/4 mile walk down to the spring for filtering water till the following morning. I should also note that there are three very nice campsites here amidst some pine trees, so it makes excellent camping. The first site you get to going northbound has the best views of Mazatzal Peak.

Day 2: After filtering water from the spring and a tasty breakfast (I can't remember what we ate, either oatmeal, corn grits, cream of wheat, or hashbrowns!) we packed up camp and headed off. Most of the hike today was classic Mazatzal scenery, trail conditions, and vegetation. Windsor spring was once again dry, although the ground was damper this time than the last time I was there. It just doesn't seem that reliable. :lol: From Windsor spring, the next 5 or so miles we had hiked previously when we did the big loop hike around Mazatzal Peak, up Barnhardt and down Y Bar. That's probably the nicest section of trail, nice and wide and smooth. Saw a couple fighter jets flying overhead, which was pretty cool. We saw some last trip too, so we're wondering if this is an area they like to train in. There was plenty of water at Chilson spring and in the whole creek for a quarter mile beforehand, but we had to make more miles, so we continued all the way to Horse Camp Seep, which had plentiful water and great views! We made it just in time for sunset. This night we made a campfire and roasted marshmallows for S'mores. That was fun!

Day 3: After eating breakfast out on the slick rock in the creek, we explored around a bit and found a "slice of pie" very similar to the one on Battleship Mountain. For those of you not in the know, a slice of pie in nature is when a piece of the rock cliff literally falls out and is resting a few feet away from its original position. The slice of pie here is about a quarter of the whole pie, whereas on Battleship Mountain in the Superstitions, the slice of pie is more like 1/6 of a pie. If you google Pie Rock Superstitions, you'll see a photo to know what I'm talking about. Along the trail today, right out of the gate there was a pretty hearty climb, and we stopped by Hopi spring just for fun and saw it has plenty of water. Upon reaching the top of the climb, near (34.12691, -111.49925), those were some of the best views on the whole trip. We could literally see from Mt. Graham and Mt. Lemmon in the south all the way to Humphrey's Peak in the north, and all the rest of Arizona in between those mountains spread out before us. We could see Phoenix (Camelback, Squaw Peak, White Tanks, Estrellas, even Shadow Mountain by our house!), Fountain Hills, Cave Creek and Carefree, the Seven Springs area, the Bradshaws, even parts of the Verde Valley and Mingus Mountain. It was truly an incredible view! The rest of the day was an average day of hiking, though we noticed that as soon as we transitioned from AZT Passage 23 to AZT Passage 24, the trail became much smoother. Special thanks to whoever maintains Passage 24. It was fabulous! Shortly after 24 begins, the trail descends way down into a valley, where there was water for about 1/2 mile in the creek and various pools, then the trail climbs back out on the other side. We ended up camping at Brush spring on the other side of the ridge, which had plentiful water flowing at a good rate. Follow the cairns down a good 5 minutes (on a well defined use path) to get to the best water. The first couple areas you can get water are okay, but not great.

Day 4: Today, we met a cool guy who is retired and hikes full time. He doesn't own a house and his wife lives out of their Jeep. She's more of a camper, not a hiker, so she camps and he hikes. He started the CDT at the beginning of this summer, made it most of the way, but then got snowed in. So he hiked over to Flagstaff to do the AZT in the winter. He walked up to Utah, then back southbound and we met him in the Mazatzals. He plans to continue south to Superior, then take the Grand Enchantment Trail to Albuquerque. At that point, he and his wife will go to Georgia to visit relatives for Christmas, then he'll hike the 1,000 mile Florida trail before coming to to AZ to finish the AZT, then he'll finish the CDT later in the spring. Anyway, most of that is off topic, but it's a fun story, so I thought I'd share it here. :lol: As for us, we hiked most of the day and eventually made it to the East Verde River. At this point, we used the AZT connector trail to head back to Doll Baby Ranch, arriving just before sunset. From what I've heard, you can take the road all the way from LF Ranch to Doll Baby Ranch, but it's longer. The trail we took goes through some catclaw, but it's not too bad.

Day 5: Bonus day! We decided on a whim we'd like to try to hike AZT Passage 22 as well, so after getting dinner in Payson, we bought a few foodstuffs for lunch for the day hike. Unfortunately, we didn't have our day packs with us, so we used our backpacking packs for the day hike (we have the traditional backpacking packs that weigh around 5 lbs, not the lightweight ones). We got an early start and were pleasantly surprised at how much water there was along this section. The trail started out pretty good, but the descent along the homes in Sunflower was pretty nasty with large round rocks. We got to the power lines and there was one vehicle parked there. The best part of this hike was the section around the mine, where hiking northbound there was a ~2 mile section of trail that was perfectly smooth and slightly downhill. We made good time on that section! But overall the 18 miles and the 3,000+ feet of elevation gain took its toll on us, and we arrived at our vehicle about 45 minutes after sunset. There was a pretty full moon, so we never needed artificial light, but we were definitely cutting it a little close.

Conclusion: Overall, it was a phenomenal trip--perfect weather this time of year! Also a great way to burn some vacation days before the end of the year (more of that coming soon...) Stay safe out there, and RIP, GPS Joe.
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Some fall colors, particularly along the NOBO descent of passage 24 towards Doll Baby Ranch.

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The spring "basin" was full of cool clear water. Tasted great!

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Plenty of water here! Follow the cairns about 5 minutes for the best water.

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Plenty of water here...the spring box was full. Quality okay, but not great.

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Not only was the spring box full, but there was lots of water on the ground, and some natural pools.

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High quality water. Not sure how much it was flowing. We pulled water from the first pools you see in the slickrock. Further down the canyon it looked like there was some flow.

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Lots of water flowing into the East Verde River.

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I don't know about the spring particularly, but the whole creek was flowing with what I would call "light flow" on the HikeAZ scale. We filtered many liters in the canyon. Passage 22 had 3-4 creeks/sources along it!

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Pretty standard spring with box. Plenty of water here.

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There was some water in the creek.

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Looked everywhere. Just a little damp ground was the most I found.
 
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Working weekend in the Mazatzal range on Red Hills AZT #24. Roger setup the event starting Friday morning and with a crew of 5 we backpacked in 6 miles from City Creek TH to the AZT junction. From there we camped about a mile into the section and started working north of that. Mostly brushing and a small tree cut was the afternoons work before heading back to camp.

On Saturday we continued brushing about 1 mile section to completion. Also, two of the group split off to crosscut 13 trees in the same section. That was a major undertaking with the largest tree almost 3 feet in diameter. We continued to work until about 430 before heading back to camp for another night.

Sunday the goal was to hike out and do some brushing on the Mazatzal Divide Trail on the way back to City Creek TH. We were interested in one section where the trail is a bit confusing so that was cleaned up to make the trail obvious. And the other section was everyone’s favorite nasty catclaw that needed to be cleared. Arrived back at the vehicle about 2pm and headed home. We were able to get a lot of work done but still more to clear on the section. We will be back!
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Took part in the AZT in a Day event hiking the Mazatzal Red Hills section. We drove up Friday afternoon and hiked in about 5 miles from Doll Baby trailhead before finding camp for the night. Next day we ascended the big hill out of East Verde Valley over to Brush Spring. Took a break at the spring an fileted several liters. Plenty of water with several pools at the spring.

Continuing southbound we found some more good pools on the other side of Red Hills Divide below Knob Mountain. There is lots of bedrock in the section so with all the rain the water was pooling and flowing nicely. Eventually we continued on to City Creek trail junction and over to the Park completing the section. For camp we hiked back towards the City Creek trail junction for our exit next day.

Next day we just had to hike down City Creek trail about 6 miles to the trailhead. However, since we were parked at Doll Baby we also had to hike the road but it was only 1.2 miles. One thing to note is that with all the rain seemed like every decent sized drainage had either flowing water or pools. Great time to be in the Mazzies until it dries up!
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One of those days when we decided on a route after leaving home. Set off from Doll Baby TH, for either a Bull Springs Cabin ONB or Red Hills loop. One of my friends hadn't been to the ruins yet, so we took a little side trip. Before we hit AZT, I saw a route on my map that I thought could be a shortcut; when it appeared to be heading up Bullfrog Ridge before hitting AZT, we decided to just head back down to the trail. Waste of 20 minutes or so, but gotta make it fun somehow.

At the Brush Trail junction, we decided on the loop. Brush Spring was a nice area with good camping, but dry. We blew right by the Red Hills trail junction, which I realized when it started dropping down the west side. Turns out the AZT takes a hard left, and the sign is obscured by a tree when you're heading from Brush Trail. Bonus mile I guess.

Red Hills trail was nice, the upper part of Boardinghouse Canyon was pretty.

Drop down Mazatzal Divide trail was fun, cruised a lot of the way. Got back to the car right at sunset.

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Some frozen pools in one of the upper arms along Red Hills Trail, otherwise dry.

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We spent long weekend doing AZT in a Day event on the Mazatzal AZT. Our section was from The Park to Brush Spring about 7.5 miles. We started at Mineral Creek trailhead which is the most direct access to the The Park but didn’t’ start until about noon. Fortunately, it’s only about 4.5 miles to The Park from Mineral Creek so the late start was not an issue. However, being a short trail it’s very steep as it ascends to the Mazatzal Divide especially in the first 2 miles. There was decent water at Mineral Spring as we passed by and continued the climb. Towards the top before The Park the trail disappears in spots and is difficult to follow for the last ¾ mile to The Park. After fighting through the last brushy spots we reached The Park and setup camp. Once setup we headed over to Petes Pond for water but with the dry conditions we were not totally sure it would have water. Fortunately, it did have water which was a bit green from algae but it tasted fine. Headed back to camp and settled in for the night.

Next day for AZT in a Day event we just had to hike from The Park to Brush Spring about 7.5 miles. So we were not rushed and able to take our time. We are also AZT stewards for the section and took time to do minor trail work and document tree fall issues. Arrived at Brush Spring and checked for water which is near the camp and not where the Brush Spring sign is located. Apparently there used to be water there but it’s dried up and now the water is several hundred feet away from the sign. After filtering water we enjoyed the camp spot and the pleasant temps at Brush Spring.

Last day Sunday we had to hike from Brush Spring back out to Mineral Creek trailhead about 12 miles. On the way out we ran into Roger, Rob, and Jack doing Mazatzal transit backpack documenting trail conditions of AZT. We had lunch with them and shared notes on needed trail work and trail conditions in general. Great to see the guys and chat with them! I also did some extra off trail in search water for future trips and found a couple of small pools even in these dry conditions. It was a good sign and come spring time there should be decent pools. After that we continued heading back towards The Park where we took another break. From there it was out to Mineral Creek fighting the brushy section and then the big drop. The downhill is tedious but the steepest part is only 2 miles long so it goes relatively quick. Great weekend in the Mazatzal’s!!

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decent pools about 300 feet or so downstream of the sign

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decent flow along the trail. Several spots to access small pools

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pool was very low and a bit green from algae but water tasted fine
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More sign work today, to finish what we started last summer. We missed an ancient trail sign near the gate at LF Ranch last time out so we got it today. Signs make one humble.

An additional task was to collect a GPS track of the shortcut route along the river. This cuts off a bunch of road walking and considerable up and down between the Doll Baby Wilderness gate and the AZT near the LF Ranch. It's not a well-maintained thoroughfare, but if you keep your eyes open you can follow it, electronic navigation helps though. The section that is the old road at Tub Draw is very steep and rocky.

More AZT fun. Thanks Richard, Roger, Joe, Maryann, Noodle and the two dogs!
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A group of us headed out to LF ranch to replace the old / broken sign for Saddle Ridge trail. On the way in we harvested a nice juniper post for the sign.
We got help from two of the ranch folks: Maryann and Noodle the calf :lol:
On the way back we harvested another juniper post for the signpost “inventory”.
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Back in the Mazzies again for AZT-in-a-day, Sections 48-49 from The Park to the East Verde. Suggested approach was via Mineral Creek TH and North Peak trail, but that road and trail aren't the most pleasant. So I started at City Creek TH > up to the AZT > south to The Park > back north to the river and out to Doll Baby. Some extra hiking miles, but I don't mind. The only water I saw was isolated pools in the forested canyon along the south end of the passage.
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Miscellaneous AZT chores today, including two signs, one at the LF Ranch and one at General Springs. A bit toasty as we left LF, 102 on the T thermometer. Yes, we drove in and were indeed Wilderness "legal" as guests of the LF Ranch. Not sure if I'd rather drive that road or walk it.
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The last day would be a long day in spite of it being a short day. My blisters were going to cause me grief and they did; especially the last miles but nonetheless, we got 'er done. And now for the climb out of this drainage; got you warmed up really fast, but it wasn't long and the trail was decent enough. We contoured our way in the manzanita cleared pathway to where we would see what looked like an old road. I thot we would be turning right (east) but no, this is the Arizona Trail as you have to travel in the opposite direction for several miles before going in the right direction toward the Trailhead :lol: .

There was lots more flora here, some new, some still smelly, the verbena that reminded me of a gardenia smell. I'm not a fan of gardenia smell. As we got to the junction where you turn the wrong way, we could see rays of sunshine in the eastern distance hitting the landscape; always a cool site. And now we continued going up the side of this mountain until we hit fir trees for a bit which was a nice surprise. As we topped out in this section and started heading back down the other side, the rain started slowly. However, as we made more progress switch-backing our way down this side, the 20% chance of rain increased significantly.

Tracy and Shawn had pulled over into an area with a couple very small trees and were huddled under a piece of plastic trying to shelter ourselves from the 100% rain. I had my umbrella up already but decided I needed to get my rain jacket out. Shawn thot that would be a good idea and then the rain would quit. Well guess what, it did start to let up fairly quickly after I had put my jacket on.

So off we went and we would soon all be taking off our rain gear. There was some more pretty flora and you could look up at the rock cliff bands above you as well as see all the rain in the distance. It seemed to linger out there which, of course, was better than lingering here. The trail would go up and down quite a few times but it was good trail so that was nice. The flora continued including some cold poppies which were a surprise to see in this elevation. We got to the Bull Spring Trail Junction and would now be hiking on that trail (Bull Spring Mesa was above us - behind us to the west) alongside Bull Spring Canyon with its ridge to our ESE.

Eventually we would finally head east more or less for the rest of the hike. We took a break here and then headed on down the trail thru some of the area that looked like it had experienced some burn. Back a ways I had noted this red rock area and wondered if we would have to go up that...but of course. So we still had to go up and down hills and thru a nicely treed area before one last rockier than heck hill to the TH. What a relief to get here. Shawn and Tracy put on some big smiles so I could get a couple photos of them as we celebrated the "DONE" factor :app: .

We still had the 3 1/2 mile road walk with its hills too. Shawn thot it was supposed to be fairly flat but it really wasn't except for the first and last 1/2 miles. We did enjoy the views along the way and the vistas but it wasn't easy plus it was a little warmer now with the humidity in the air. We found some more flora as well so that was a nice distraction from the mission to get to the car.

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I think I got these nearly 40 miles of passages pretty well Tibberfied; I would say Tibbernated but I feel the Mazzies got the best of me. It was hard to shoot much video due to the terrain; altho for those of you that make it thru my videos you are probably eternally grateful. I don't think I would do this trek again or if I had known. I'm just past that stage I'm afraid. I'm grateful for the AZT Section Crew plugging along without nearly the whining I engage in which you can hear on the video commentary from time to time.
Kudos to those that zip thru this stuff; I do envy you. But can you twirl a baton :lol: "?

PS the geocoding and time of photos is not right. I think the photos are off by 12 hours.
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so many wildflowers. I had lots more photos. Surprise was the California poppies, even though they were closed.

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the area behind the campground has plenty of water and the drainage had water almost the whole way.
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