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Foote Creek Trail #76Alpine, AZ
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I went back to the Foote Creek Trail to check on how far the trail had been cleared since recently discovering some trail maintenance east of P-Bar Lake.

Unfortunately, the trail was only cleared for about a half mile more than what I had hiked the previous week. The forest is not necessarily devastated where the trail maintenance ends, but the tread is very tough to find and there were no blazes. I only walked a short portion past the cleared trail before turning around and heading back. I did pass a few cairns and found some longer sections of tread on my way back. I was really hoping the trail maintenance had made it to the spring that I believe might mark where Foote Creek starts flowing, but it comes up a little short. Nevertheless, it was still an excellent little hike and I will probably come back to explore more of the uncleared trail one day. I have attached the route with the end of the trail maintenance marked.

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I was only going to hike into P-Bar Lake before driving out this morning, but I realized the Foote Creek Trail had been cleared past the, "lake." I hiked in a total of 2.5 miles from the trailhead and the trail was in excellent shape for the portion of the Foote Creek Trail we hiked. I am eager to get back and see how far this trail has been cleared. Even if it is only cleared to the perennial Foote Creek, it opens up a lot of new country in the Blue Range and more backpacking and hiking opportunities.

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Pbar - Grant - Paradise Lolly, AZ 
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I'm not ready for my hiking season to wind down, but getting to the higher elevations definitely makes things more challenging. Taking advantage of the long weekend to get further afield seemed like a good idea...the difficulty being selecting a location that wouldn't be overrun with others. Was glad for the invitation to join J for a trip to the eastern ranges - an area that I've spent very little time in, even when I was hiking more extensively.

We set out the previous day on the long drive to take us to our destination. The drive was timed to allow us to find and set camp before the sun went down - which also allowed us to drive 191 during daylight hours, gaining us much better visibility in case of large wildlife on the road. We saw numerous deer on the drive in, and a few other vehicles. While there were others camped in the area, we were able to find a nice spot off one of the forest roads to settle for the night. Upon our arrival, we were greeted with the gobble-gobble of wild turkeys in the distance. The turkeys kept up their serenade while we set up camp, then another bird took over for a bit while we quickly ate dinner as the temps started to drop with the sun having gone down and a night-time breeze picking up.

The next morning, we got up and struck camp - temps were anticipated to have dropped to the high 30s overnight, but things warmed up fast in the sun. Once everything was packed, we headed over to the trailhead and started our uphill climb towards PBar "Lake". The trail was easy going, though surprisingly dusty. To my eye, the lake much more resembles a pond...it's a shallow depression in a clearing amidst the pines with no obvious inlet or outlet - though today, it's completely dry. After a brief stop to get clippers out, we started the descent along the Grant Creek Trail.

Heading down the Grant Creek Trail, it was obvious that someone has done some maintenance. The locust and raspberries have moved in to take advantage of the full sun on the slopes - the trail is currently passable with some light contact, but as the season progresses, I suspect it will quickly get swallowed. Keep an eye out for poison ivy as you contour around a small drainage just below the switchbacks as you get close to the junction with the Grant Cabin Shortcut. When we passed over the drainage, there was a little bit of water flowing, with plenty of bees and butterflies enjoying the shallow pools.

When we hit the junction for the Grant Cabin shortcut, we decided to do the loop of the lollipop counterclockwise to break up our climb on exit - I was feeling the altitude on the small climb up to PBar Lake, and the idea of doing all the elevation from the Creek out was not pleasant. Lost track of the trail in one section on our way down, but was able to pick it up again in short order. Made it to the creek, where we were greeted by the neighborhood welcome committee (cows). We wandered upcanyon a bit to have a quick look at Grant Cabin - the surrounding area shows lots of evidence of bovine habitation (lots of fresh cow patties complete with loads of flies), and the area immediately adjacent to the cabin has evidence of inconsiderate human visitors by way of abandoned waterbottles and other trash 😒

After another quick break, we continued onward, along side the burbling Grant Creek. It wasn't long until we came to the post (missing the sign) marking the junction with the Paradise Trail. Knowing that things were going to get warm on the ascent, we both dipped our towels in the creek to help keep cool and started climbing. The initial climb out from Grant Creek wasn't terribly steep, but the footing was loose and the trail was eroded with off camber slope. As we continued climbing, we found our well established track deviating from the marked route in HAZ. A cross reference to another mapping database showed us on the Paradise Trail, though now that I'm home and have access to my computer and the USGS topos, I'm not sure where the other mapping database got its data because the USGS topo matches what's in HAZ. Ah well, either way, we made it to Paradise Park, where we sat for a break while being serenaded by a rather loud bird.

Knowing that we had a long drive home, we didn't lollygag for too long before joining back up with the Grant Creek Trail to close our loop and begin the seemingly long hot climb back out. The climb was definitely warm in the unshaded sections, and I was very glad for the cloud cover that rolled in, along with the breeze that would kick up now and again. Soon enough, we were back at PBar Lake and shortly after that, back at the truck. After cleaning up as best as we could, we headed homeward, catching sight of loads of elk in some of the meadows along 191 on the way. It was a nice escape for the holiday weekend - thanks for the invite, J!

Wildlife: On trail: butterflies, lizards, and various birds (oh, and we can't forget the bovine welcoming committee!). On the drive: deer, squirrel, chipmunk, bluejays, and elk.

Other people: None! Hooray!
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P-Bar Lake Trail #326Alpine, AZ
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I was looking for things and clearing trails. Specifically, the locust choked descent of Grant shortly after P-Bar Lake.

Cold start, thirty six degrees at the TH. We ended up starting at 6:30. I cleared trail for some of the descent on Grant, but in general we kept moving to take advantage of the cooler temps for exploring. Nevertheless, it still started to feel a little warm due to the lack of cloud cover and the more tedious off trail travel, so we headed back. I gave Dot several rests in the shade along the climb up Grant and during those times I worked on clearing the trail to a pretty high standard in the areas near where I was able to find shade for Dot to lay down in. A couple of horsemen praised my work and gave us some extra water, which was appreciated. They were the only people we saw all day. Some nice clouds eventually rolled in making for some perfect fall hiking conditions.
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A nice little lollipop loop from the P-Bar Lake Trailhead. I started just after six and did not see anyone all day. Although, the trailhead was packed with vehicles, as was the Blue Range in general due to the opening weekend of archery season for deer.

P-Bar Lake was in excellent condition and scenic. The forest here looks better every year.

A short but sweet stroll along Foot Creek Trail, which was also in great shape and particularly scenic in the early morning light.

The descent down Grant Creek Trail is pretty brushy, with a solid mile or so of some semi-annoying locust and raspberry, however, I have seen it worse and there was only two downed trees. There were also a few short reprieves along the way. Nothing except locust can seem to take hold through this section, I wonder if that will ever change?

The Grant Cabin shortcut trail needs some deadfall removed, but most of it amounted to easy step-overs. A little brush, but barely worth mentioning.

The cabin has not changed much since my last visit, but Grant Creek has nearly been swallowed by creek side vegetation and downed trees in this area. There was a light flow. The hiking along Grant Creek was a little primitive at first, as I made my way to the junction with the Paradise Trail, but it got "better."

I walked by the Paradise Trail twice some how. Its intersections seems to be getting more obscure with each year. The first half to three-quarters of the trail was also brushy and more overgrown than I have ever seen it. The last little stretch was nice however, which made up for it. I had to put the rain coat on for about 15 minutes, as I approached the intersection with the Grant Creek Trail.

It was good trail along the nicely recovering Paradise Park, which was particularly scenic from the recent rains. The good trail continued until we reached the locust ascent.

Great day out in the Blue, with lots of nostalgia. It’s been awhile since I have knocked out a semi rugged loop in these mountains.
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Upper Grant Creek Trail #65 - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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After finishing the lower part of Foote Creek trail a few weeks ago, I decided it might be a good time to see if I can "finish" the trail. I was thinking an out-and-back from P-Bar Lake TH down to the Horse Ridge junction would be the goal, although I wasn't expecting trail conditions to be very good. P-Bar Lake trail is a walk in the park, and once on Foote Creek trail, the lack of maintenance quickly becomes apparent after the Grant Creek trail splits off. Still, it was pretty easy to follow into the upper Foote Creek drainage; deadfall was really the biggest issue.

Once into Foote Creek, the trail pretty much disappeared, and it was basically side-hilling while climbing over logs. Did this for maybe a mile and decided at that point that Foote Creek would be best left unfinished, at least until someone decides to rebuild the trail. Also, the canyon was a little smoky, although not enough that I could smell it. At one point I could see smoke billowing up ahead; I didn't realize until after the hike that the fire was actually in Foote Creek, apparently around the Horse Ridge junction. Glad I avoided stumbling into an active fire... Really hoping that area doesn't get charred too badly.

After I decided to turn around, I figured I may as well go check out the Upper Grant Creek trail, which I attempted from the top a couple years ago, but quickly lost the trail. Headed down Grant Creek trail, which seems to see regular maintenance at least to Paradise Park - locust are starting to encroach, but not enough to really slow you down. Then down the Grant Cabin Shortcut. A little upstream from the cabin, found a nice spot to take a short break, then proceeded up canyon.

For the most part, route finding in Upper Grant Creek was not too difficult, and the trail exists in most places. But the locust are getting really bad, and if it's not trimmed soon, getting through this canyon is going to be very difficult. I was barely moving at 1mph through there. It was also getting pretty warm, even at 9000 feet.

Eventually I got to Hannagan TH, where I would've loved my car to have been at that point in time, but I had to get back to P-Bar TH. I opted to take Clell Lee Trail, since it would be a little shorter, all downhill, and I hadn't seen it all the way down to 191. It's a pleasant little valley. The mile or so along 191 was OK; as far as highways are concerned it's not bad, I only saw four vehicles total in the 15 minutes or so it took.
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Lanphier Canyon via Horse Ridge, AZ 
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Holiday weekend kinda snuck up on me, and had discussed possibly doing some backpacking with my friend from last month's Galiuros trip. He had to be back by Monday morning, so I proposed staying up in Pinetop on Friday night and doing a single night trip somewhere in the 191 area.

He said he didn't necessarily want a super easy five-miles-in sort of thing, so I proposed hiking down from Horse Ridge TH and camping in Lanphier Canyon... Seems silly considering you can drive to Blue Camp, but I wanted to check off the lower part of Foote Creek Trail, and figured this route would be a great intro to the Blue Range for someone who hadn't been there.

Started walking around 10am, made quick time down Horse Ridge, enjoying the expansive views. Took a little break at the junction with Foote Creek trail, and found there is an interesting little slot canyon just west of the campsite, which I missed on my way up last summer. We also took a quick look at the Foote Creek waterfall about a quarter mile below the spring, and penciled in a quick dip in the pool for the hike out. No bear near the Tutt Creek junction this time.

Trail got a little harder to follow past Tutt Creek, but we definitely made a few mistakes turn-wise. The last half mile or so in the creek, the trail basically devolves into a network of cattle tracks, and there are a few cattle. Kind of diminished the beauty of that part of the creek.

The last 2.5 miles or so to Blue Camp involved a couple little grunts, but was more or less pleasant given the windy conditions, and the views opened up again.

One truck at Blue Camp, but we wouldn't see the owner. Lanphier was pleasant, and around 3:30pm we started keeping an eye out for campsites. Passed up what I later decided was the best spot for one not quite as nice, but didn't want to hike back. It was nice though; good shade and creek access, and a few choices of flat spots.

After setting up, we decided to hike upstream for 45 minutes or so; made it past where the trail leaves the canyon on the north - there were some signs that there was once a trail there, and even one excellent, hardened campsite.

Once back at camp, we were sort of dreading doing the same thing in reverse in the morning, and I messaged my sister asking her to find out how far it is from Blue Camp to 191 via Red Hill Road (with the thought that we'd probably be offered a ride at some point).

Sunday morning, my back was super sore and I was legitimately worried about being able to do the big climbs at the end, so I was leaning towards the hitchhike option; however, things felt a little better by Blue Camp and I just decided we may as well hike the remaining 10.5 miles. It was already a bit warm on the climb out of Blue Camp, but it felt a little better once we got to the flat part.

The lower part of Foote Creek went much faster, since we knew where to expect to find trail for the most part, and corrected some of the mistakes we made on the way down. Stopped at the falls and took an ice cold dip in the pool. Made our last stop at the spring, which produced some great tasting water.

Horse Ridge was a real grind on the way back up, but we made OK time, and the hike out only took 22 minutes longer than the hike in.

Turned out to be a nice little trip, and a really pretty route.

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Light flow from Horse Ridge trail down about a half mile. Good flow the rest of the way down from the springs.

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I made a quick trip to the Blue this weekend, with this hike and some camping being my main objectives. Horse Ridge Trail did not disappoint and seeing the upper Blue during the final stages of the snow melt was a nice attraction as well.

The dog and I started hiking just after six, as I knew the trail would feel warm on the climb out, even on a 65 degree day at 8,000 feet. The hike down was scenic and calming after a long week in the valley. The trail's terminus at Foote Creek made for a scenic turn around point. Foote Creek was flowing nicely, along with perhaps the even more scenic side drainage that parallels the Horse Ridge Trail to the south for most of the hike. Dot and I took an extended break at the nice campsite that greets you as you finish up the Horse Ridge Trail. We did some light exploring, Dot soaked in the water and then we headed back up.

The climb out wore on Dot some and we took several breaks as a result. We actually had cloud cover and a nice breeze for the first half of it too, but she was just beat and I did not mind taking our time. It was a long day for her and you gain a full 2,000 feet on the way out, without almost any shade. Nevertheless, we crested the high point at the rim and enjoyed the pleasant stroll through the forest to the trailhead from there.
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I abandoned my plans for a 15 mile loop starting at dawn to try and beat the storms and instead stayed in camp and spread everything out to dry in the early morning breeze. By the time I got going it was almost 10, and I estimated my plan would be about a 5 mile loop starting with the Foote Creek trail, hoping that I could find the Clell trail or just wander up the draw where the topo trace indicated it would be.

Foote was nice enough, well maintained and cleared for the most part, though it did push through one severely burned stretch that hasn't seen much recovery except some ferns and locust. No biggie though, as all the deadfall had been cut. One short section had also recently been hit by a microburst, downing a dozen or more old-growth ponderosa in a span of a couple hundred yards. Glad I wasn't there for that.

Just to keep you honest, P— drops 300 feet to the highway, where I had to hoof it for 3/4 mile along Hannagan Creek to get back up to the draw that Clell Springs is in. The short stretch of highway walk featured zero vehicles, which is always nice when walking on a federal highway, and allowed me to spy the original road cut. If you think the 191 is a windy road now, you should pay attention to what it used to look like!

Upon reaching the pretty draw, the weather took a turn, and before long I was dodging the flash-bangs I had so hoped to avoid. It wasn't raining, and it was a minute or two between lightning strikes, but thunder was inside of 4 seconds so I did not particularly enjoy the last mile or so as I pushed my pace up toward 4mph.

Spent the next couple hours on the patio at the lodge enjoying the weather from a better spot.
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Too many things to do Saturday morning and early afternoon, but I still wanted to get into nature and some cool air this weekend, so I decided on heading over to the Blue. Car camped at the Red Hill TH for the night before heading over to the P Bar Lake TH to hike early Sunday. Got woken up at around 3:45am from a slight movement of my truck, followed by the sound of some heavy steps right outside. It was pitch black, couldn't see anything but I'm assuming it was an Elk since the steps sounded pretty heavy. Laid back down and in the distance I heard some wolves howling (which is awesome to hear). Got up at 5:15 and it was freezing pumpkin cold; 45 degrees out and I left my windows cracked. :( Before heading over to the other TH, I decided to do a quick mile hike up to the wilderness boundary on the Red Hill trail.

Red Hill Trail - Trail was in pretty good shape up to the boundary, one small section of light overgrowth as you got closer to the ridgeline but nothing horrible. If some maintenance isn't done in the near future on the bottom section near the TH it is going to turn into a Black Bear Raspberry diner. Currently just off trail but starting to encroach. Made it back to my truck and headed over to the P Bar Lake TH.

P-Bar Lake - My original plan was to hike the P Bar Lake trail over to Grant Creek and take it down to Moonshine Park, but things changed. The P Bar lake trail is in great shape, very small minor deadfall especially after you finish the initial climb and get closer to the junction but nothing major.

Foote Creek - Once I got on the Foote Creek trail from the P Bar Lake junction here came the deadfall over and over again with some taking me on a detour through New Mexican locust jungles. A ton of them looking pretty recent. No overgrowth issues on this one, the Locust is just off the trail though so it could get overgrown pretty quick without any type of use. I thought about continuing on Foote Creek past P Bar Lake but the trail disappeared into overgrowth and deadfall shortly after, so I decided against it.

Grant Creek - Quick break at P Bar Lake (still not sure why they call this a lake) and started my decent down the Grant Creek Trail. Initial part of the trail is good, then starts getting a little cramped but not horrible. As the trail turns to the left and goes into the steep drainage part it gets really bad. I ran into a Locust jungle that I could not see through and with the descent just starting not knowing if the rest of the Grant Creek Trail was gonna be the same, there was no way I was gonna fight it, so I turned around and headed back to my truck. Pretty disappointed on this one as I have been wanting to get into the Moonshine Park area for awhile now.

KP Rim - Decided to drive over and hike the KP Rim trail. The trail was good for about a tenth of a mile. Once the climbing started it thickened up and then turned into a Fern and Locust jungle. Had a good size tree blocking about halfway up and the only way past it was to get on all fours and crawl underneath. I pushed through the jungle hoping that it would give me some awesome views on top of the rim but no dice, so my blood donation was all for not. This trail is currently inhabited by thousands of grass hoppers who get pretty pissed off that you are disturbing them so they jump right into you; eyes, face, doesn't matter, they are just trying to piss you off. :o

It was a little warm in the sun (77 degrees) but it felt awesome to be back out in the Blue again enjoying the trees and the tons of Elk and deer. Did not see single person the entire day! Can't wait to get back out there again.
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I would not even think about filtering from this 'lake'. Barely any water and tons of animal tracks and scat.
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Had a few options I was waffling between, but shortest drive ultimately won out. Plan was to go down Red Hill Trail, and head across Tutt Creek trail to connect with Foote Creek and Horse Ridge. Decided to start at Red Hill TH and go CW because Foote Creek looked to be the most sure water source. I also figured if any of these trails was in absolutely horrible shape, there might be a bail-out option involving hitchhiking.

Started at around 7:30am, the first part of Red Hill on the north side of the rim is high-elevation burn scar, so probably great raspberry picking in a couple months. Once over the ridge, vegetation changes to the drier variety. Great views from the ridge, and the trail wasn't hard to follow for the first 4 miles. After that, there are some overgrown parts and an occasional need to stop and look for the trail. At one point, the trail splits, with one going up and over a ridge, and one contouring around the side. I took the side route, although for a couple hundred feet it's pretty washed out and slightly hairy.

Eventually got down to Bush Creek, which was flowing at the first trail crossing. Lots of cattle in the area so I probably wouldn't touch it. About a quarter of a mile down Bush, I walked up on a mama bear and a cub. Let them know I was there and they cleared out without too much a fuss. Trail is hard to follow in parts of Bush Creek, although if you lose it, you can just go downstream.

Got to Tutt Creek Trail 8 miles in. This trail was in much better shape, and pretty easy to follow all the way to Foote Creek. Drank some water at the spring, which was flowing nicely. The drop down into Foote Creek was a bit rougher and had a little bit of catclaw, but wasn't too bad.

Foote Creek Trail was pretty spotty. A few minutes in, I unknowingly walked right by a napping bear, who got up, looked at me, and ran off like a frightened deer. At one point I lost the trail and stumbled on a nice big pool with a couple of waterfalls, which you miss if you're on trail. Got the the spring, drank more water, and took some extra with me just in case. From the spring up to the Horse Ridge junction, the going was easier.

I was planning on Horse Ridge being the worst part of the day. The first big climb ascends about 700 in 3/4 mile. Once gaining the ridge, there is a relatively level mile with sweeping views. I actually really enjoyed this trail, although I might have had a different opinion if it weren't for some clouds and a nice breeze. After passing a spot where the ridge pinches off into what I'm calling the Causeway, the climbing resumes. That last mile and a half to the top was an absolute grind.

From Horse Ridge TH, is was mostly just following 191 for a half mile or so, then going cross country for a more direct route back to Red Hill TH.

This loop was actually much better than I expected it to be. I think I can actually kinda recommend it (although a day that's not too sunny is ideal). Horse Ridge Trail is in outstanding shape, so now's the time to do it.
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Intermittent flow along Red Hill Trail. Dry at Tutt Creek.

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A couple of little puddles.

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Solid flow from Tutt Creek Trail up to the spring. Intermittent flow from the spring up to Horse Ridge Trail.

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More or less consistent flow up to the spring, which has good water for filtering. Dry above the spring.
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Foote Creek Trail #76Alpine, AZ
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Packed up my 4Runner and headed up to the Blue Range Primitive Area on Friday. Was supposed to be an outing with a group of friends, who flaked two days before.Car camped at the Bonanza Bill TH and sat by the fire as the sun went down listening to the wolves howl. My original plan was to hike Bonanza Bill to Lanphier but changed my mind as I hiked BB to Hinkle Spring last year. At dawn I drove over to Hannagan Meadow to hike Foote Creek.. This area was hit and miss from the 2011 Wallow fire but the areas that did burn are coming back nicely, there are thousands of young Aspen everywhere! The trail is in fantastic condition (a handful of newer down trees, nothing horrible) to P Bar Lake which is where I stopped, took a break and started back. There is some Locust, but it's just off trail and no worry, however, I can see it growing back quickly. Scared up a couple huge Bull Elk on the top of a plateau and me being an idiot, I decided to try and track them for a few. Well that track ran right through a thick forest of New Mexican Locust :( . Lesson learned! On the way back I watched a coyote walk in the meadow below me talking to itself :lol:. After a few minutes of watching it, it spotted me and decided to start walking up the hillside towards me before coming to it's senses and turning around. I will definitely have to make another overnight trip before the fall, so much I haven't seen yet.
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Paradise Park loop, AZ 
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ShatteredArmTriplogs 356
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Was going to go down to the Pinalenos, but had to make a last minute change of plans, so headed up to Hannagan Meadow. I'd been meaning to check out the Blue Range area for awhile, but the last couple of trips out there, fire deterred me. Started out on Foote Creek trail, and took that to P Bar Lake. Saw what I thought was a bear running across the trail ahead of me at one point.

Turned south on Grant Creek Trail, and followed it down to Paradise trail. Paradise trail was slightly harder to follow, but still nice. Got down to Grant Creek, where there was decent flow and a nice campsite. Continued on Paradise Trail and ran up on a bear that was probably napping. Nothing to worry about there either, all I saw was his backside.

After Moonshine Park, started hitting the burn area, and the trail got more overgrown. A couple of harder to follow spots on the Steeple Creek side. Steeple was all moonscape. Heard a wolf howling when I got to the creek, but didn't get a visual. The climb up Steeple trail seemed like it was like 10 miles long, but at least it has been cleaned, and had minimal deadfall and not too much locust. In the higher elevation raspberries started appearing, and I probably ate a couple pounds of them along the way.

The connector trail through the upper Grant Creek basins was all moonscape, but despite the tread being nonexistent in places, it was pretty easy to find the way. Burn got a little less severe after crossing the main arm of Grant Creek.

Good day overall, and a decent first Blue Range outing.

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Good flow at Paradise and Steeple trail crossings

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A little flow into the lake

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Flow part of the way up along Steeple trail
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P-Bar Lake Trail #326Alpine, AZ
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The trail has been cleared recently and was in great shape. The area continues to show signs of recovery. The fog this morning added to the scenic forest views. We turned around at P-Bar “Lake” which was just a large mud puddle.
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Good for fido and stock, but I’d prob pass on drinking personally.
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Grant Creek - Primitive Blue Range, AZ 
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As the holiday weekend approached, I contacted Lee to see what he was up to. He said he's going back into The Blue for an easy backpack with Katie & the dogs. He invited me & I'm glad I joined.

We would car camp on Friday night and then headed over to the trailhead and started in. Steeple was in great shape and we connected onto Grant Creek Trail which was slow & overgrown. We took our time as we descended the canyon. The sun was out and it was hot. We kept at it and worked our way over and around dead fall and we were able to follow the trail whenever it existed. We finally hit the cabin and decide to set up camp.

After camp was set up we decided to go for a day hike as dark clouds moved in. We headed for Moonshine Park as a light rain started to fall. We followed a good trail that was cleared recently. It was easy going and we enjoyed the park. We walked around the area and took a variety of pics and then the skies opened up. Thunder roared and the rain grew heavy. We started our return and put our heads down and cruised back. Once we were back at camp we climbed into our tents and waited an hour for the storm to pass. As soon as it cleared, Lee & Katie built the fire and evening set in. We dried our gear & ate dinner.

We woke on day two and took our time packing up & headed out around 9am. Our return climbed almost 2,000ft but went well. It's a respectable climb but the trail is in good condition. Once things leveled off, we took a short break and then headed the last few miles back to the trailhead. There were a handful of downed trees to climb over. Once back to the car we talked about our options and decided to get some food in Hannagan Meadows and then return to Phoenix.

This was a nice hike and I'm glad I drove out. I wish we spent another night so we could have explored more. Its a good reason to return another time.
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Grant Creek Overnight Backpack, AZ 
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I ended my summer in the same area my summer began, the Primitive Blue Range. Katie myself, John and our pack of four completed a nice little overnight trip to Grant Cabin along Grant Creek.

Day 1:

The first mile or so along Steeple was pleasant as usual. Upper Grant Creek Trail is trying its hardest to return to its primitive nature, despite being cleared a year ago, but the trail is still generally in good shape. It just tends to drag a little towards the end and the going always seems to be a little slower than expected. After setting up camp at the cabin, we headed off for a side trip to Moonshine Park. We left to the beginnings of some light rain. Moonshine Park will not blow you away, but its a pleasant area and worth the side trip. As we left Moonshine, the rain picked up in its intensity as did the thunder and lightning. We nixed a plan to explore Paradise went straight to camp, getting pretty drenched along the way. We then had to retreat to the tents for an hour or so. After the rain ended, it was the usual camp chores, a fire and trying to stay up past 8:30.

Day 2:

We took our time the morning of day two and left camp a little after nine. From camp you pretty much start climbing and you don't really end until a little over two miles and an elevation of approximately 8,900 feet. Luckily, the trails were in great shape and the grade was thoughtful, so the climb did not really prove to be that bad. A little warm at times, but manageable. From P-Bar Lake it was a very pleasant hike through some nice stands of surviving forest along great trail all the way to our beginning trailhead and the completion of our loop. Another fulfilling trip to the Blue.
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Blue Crossing CampgroundAlpine, AZ
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It was far too hot to be enjoyable, but I was looking to do some heat training hikes so this fit the bill. I would not recommend this time of year to visit the Blue, it was 90 degrees by 9:30 AM and stayed at least that hot until 7 PM each day.

It is quite the drought, and the Blue River itself dries up before reaching Sawmill trailhead.

Highlight was seeing a bear on day 3. Saw dozens of elk and deer, because of the dry conditions I think they are all getting driven down into the Blue River valley in search of water.

Day 1: Up S Canyon, along Cow Flat, down Lanphier
Day 2: Tutt Creek and a bit of Foote Creek
Day 3: Up Largo, to WS Lake to get tot the top of Bear Mtn, down Sawmill

The forest service appears to take trail maintenance seriously, though there are some newish fallen trees. The worst is the middle part of Sawmill trail, where it is heavily eroded before reaching telephone ridge, and the trail is also getting eaten by brush.
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A few prickly poppies

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Dry in the area

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Muddy ground here, but it was wet


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The spring catchment was full, though it was muddy.

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Middle Foote Creek was dry at Tutt Creek Trail intersection, but was trickles and pools the next mile upstream

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The lower 2 miles of Lanphier had good flow, the upper part of the canyon was dry

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Foote Creek Trail #76Alpine, AZ
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76 north to P-bar, then back on 24. 24 is not on HAZ yet so I'll have to find time to add it. In general, 76 and 326 have way too many downed trees. However, 24 is very nice, even though most of it is a dirt road, it winds through a meadow and doesn't suffer from much in terms of treefall to spoil it.
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Stream was running slowly in area, didn't look for actual spring.

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Where you first cross the highway a stream was flowing nicely.
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P-Bar Lake Trail #326Alpine, AZ
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I started at P Bar to do some further exploring of Foot Creek Trail past P-Bar Lake and its intersection with the Grant Creek Trail. I did not go far down Foot Creek, but it seems to be the same story, destruction and deadfall.

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A muddy pit, so muddy the dogs could not even reach the water.
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Steeple Trail #73 - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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We did two smaller hikes a day in the Blue Range to preserve the pups in the unseasonably warm temperatures. This was the evening hike we did on day two. The goal was to visit Willow Spring and maybe locate the Long Cienega Trail.

I had remembered Willow Spring being a relatively pleasant area in an otherwise very fire damaged area when I had backpacked through there a few years ago and was interested in seeing the area again. The trail had its fair share of deadfall, but it was not horrible. Willow Spring is still a nice little area, but it was dry. In fact, it was very dry out there in general, with no real standing water to be found, not even at the Upper Grant Creek crossing/intersection. I had hoped to look around a little for traces of the Long Cienega Trail, but with no water out there and a still warm sun, we decided to head back. This area really needs some water and a little trail TLC.

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