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Verde River Trail #11 - 10 members in 39 triplogs have rated this an average 3.5 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Verde - Wet Bottom - Highwater, AZ 
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We did an abbreviated version of the hike Chumley did staying only one night. Starting at Sheep Bridge hiked in about 8 miles to Wet Bottom Creek. Trail follows the Verde River for first couple of miles with great views of the cliffs and river along the way. Eventually trail leaves the river and traverses through open desert landscape. We ran into a cowboy on the desert section who's horse had decided it didn't want to work that weekend and was headed back to the ranch. Continuing on we finally reached Wet Bottom Creek and found a great campsite.

After setting up camp Chumley and I decided to explore upstream Wet Bottom Creek. We were both surprised of all the water in the creek since it had been relatively dry and satellite showed long stretches of dry creek bed. We had water for the entire 1.3 miles up creek to a narrows and water gauge where we turned around. Checked out the water gauge and then I decided to swim back through the narrows instead of hiking around. Quite refreshing!! Then hiked back to camp and settled in for a relaxing night.

Next morning leisurely start and slow roll out of camp. Chumley was staying one more night but 9L, Kathy and I packed up and hiked back out the same way to Sheep Bridge. Really nice trail most of the way out and fun quick overnight at Wet Bottom Creek!
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Wow! What an amazing weekend. Loved it. :y:

We set out Saturday morning with options but no set plan. When I turned onto FR18 to head toward Red Creek, Karl honked the horn and decided now was a good time to mention that he'd really like to hike VR11 from Sheep Bridge. I might have misunderestimated the additional drive time to get to the bridge by ... double. It takes an hour to go 8 miles, not half an hour. Oh well.

We were on trail around 10:30 and began to cover new trail miles. Officially, the route begins on Willow Springs 223, before turning onto the start of VR11 half a mile in. We passed by the junction for Dutchman Grave and continued on northward. Right off the bat there was water in Sycamore Creek which was a pleasant surprise. Not that it's a factor being so close to the start, but raised the possibility we might find unexpected water elsewhere.

After descending into Dry Wash, we lost the route, despite numerous cairns in every which direction. Posted routes and map base layers did little to solve the dilemma, exacerbated by a maze of cattle paths. Regardless, this desert terrain provides minimal obstacles to travel and we all funneled into the defined route that climbs up the edge of the White Bluffs. (FWIW, the easiest route through the wash is to simply follow the wash rather than attempt to shorten the distance by finding a route on the bench above).

The view from White Bluffs is pretty impressive and necessitated a snack break. From there we continued north as the river flows out of view well to the west. Next we crossed Spring Wash, which showed signs of moisture from some seeps where the trail crosses. On Monday I would explore both up and downstream from the trail crossing and find some surface water. I wouldn't call it reliable, but during wetter seasons it was clear that there was a source of groundwater, and not just pools from recent rainfall.

The next 3 miles carried us through pristine rolling desert, winding in and out of shallow drainages and around small hills. Eventually we made the short descent into Wet Bottom Creek. Spring hasn't arrived yet so the canopy of shade trees in the creek bottom remained bare, leafless branches of huge trees reaching to the sky. With a refreshing flow of clear creek water, it was here we decided to set up camp for the night.

Karl and I decided to head upstream and explore into Outlander territory. I always appreciate the opportunity to visit some of the remote canyons he so eloquently wrote about, and this one delivered. While we had been unsure of the water situation in Wet Bottom Creek during this record-dry winter, we were pleasantly surprised to find flowing surface water for the entire length of our hike. There's no reason to believe that it didn't continue (and probably increase) the farther up it goes. The stream gauge indicated a fraction of a cfs, and I assumed that to be a ghost reading. In fact, it may have been real. The water depth read 3.5 feet, and that seems about right. I did also realize that 2.5 feet is dry. So be wary of that. As it turns out, despite virtually no precipitation all winter, Wet Bottom transitioned from its dry summer status to a light flow from a November rain event -- and has continued to flow all winter long, despite almost no additional rain or snow since then. Good to know for future visits.

After exploring the narrows around the stream gauge, Karl decided it was appropriate for a swim, while I didn't have an extra pair of pants for camp and opted to take the high route instead. After a break here we returned down canyon back to camp in time for sunset.

Sunday morning the others decided to head back to be home in time for America's Got Talent while I decided that this area was too special to settle for a 15-hour overnight. So I headed north to the Wet Bottom Trail and began the unexpectedly big 800-foot climb up onto the mesa. This trail gets much less use than VR11 and though some well-intentioned trail workers from at least 20 years ago built a whole ton of cairns, time has taken over and many of these rock piles are now hidden in prickly pears and tall grass, and few are connected by any semblence of a worn route. There's definitely no smooth tread anywhere. It is all a medly of golfballs, tennis balls, softballs, soccer balls, and a few beach balls for good measure. Good ankle exercise all day!

At the top of the mesa I was on the lookout for the junction to turn onto Highwater #20. This area was especially difficult to find a route and I wandered aimlessly until I caught a glimpse of what looked like a signpost in the distance. Sure enough, a signed junction. If grass and prickly pear can junct. I proceeded northward sloping downhill, attempting to link cairns together, finding occasional stretches of visible use path, until suddenly there wasn't. The weather was great and I was enjoying all of it :)

I ran into a cowboy who was wrangling feral cows, an activity contracted by the FS to remove all the cattle which has slowly encroached into the protected Wild and Scenic River corridor. They asked me to give them some space and 10-15 minutes, so I climbed a nearby bluff and watched them do their work. A pack of dogs aided as they roped the cows and secured them to their horses before leading them down the trail all the way back to Sheep Bridge!! For all the things Tonto NF doesn't do, I was happy to see them doing this (though from the cattle paths witnessed along the river, one wonders for how long they've let it go on before getting to the point of removal?)

After a bit I was finally able to safely pass without getting gored by a wild bull and continued on to the north. As the trail descended to the Verde again at the white cliffs across from Canoe Mesa, I made a decision to shorten my day and skip over 3 miles of desert wandering along the mystery trail that previous hazzers @jacobemerick, @joebartels, and @the_eagle reported to be undefined, at best.

My first crossing option proved to require swimming, but not far upstream along the bank I found a very nice option that turned out to be not much over knee deep. I had seen some cattle paths on satellite here and in reality, this two mile jaunt across Canoe Mesa turned out to be the nicest, easiest hiking of the day. Lol. It's the only part that wasn't actually a trail.

My route brought me across the the top of some cliffs just about a quarter mile downstream of the actual VR11 crossing point, and some of the best scenery today. It was beautiful. I could have followed the bank north to the trail but opted instead to climb up a drainage to the west and meet up with the trail above the cliffs. It was a dense mesquite bog down below but I found a steep wildlife route (def NOT cattle) that proved to be a suitable option.

Once reaching the official route for VR11, it became an whole new exercise in connect-the-cairns as I now headed south toward Red Creek. I startled a huge bull, and with newfound appreciation for the work at hand, marked a waypoint and relayed the location to the cowboy wranglers the next day.

As with the northward travel on the east side of the river, the southbound route meandered up and down, over and around a number of geographic features and provided beautiful views and some scenes of the river and surrounding mountains that are unique and really awe inspiring.

Within a mile of Red Creek, I saw a plane with his landing lights flashing. It circled over me and surveyed the situation at Red Creek International before looping around and making the landing. I was not in view of the airstrip at that time so I missed the touchdown. But when I crested the next hill, I noticed that it was a busy day at RCI, with two fixed wing aircraft and a helicopter enjoying the afternoon.

It wasn't on my itinerary, but I made my way up to the airstrip and was able to watch a Cessna take off and chat with the helicopter and Cub pilots for a bit. I wanted to watch the Cub take off but the pilot went for a hike and I had no idea how long he'd be gone. Ready to get back to camp I crossed the Verde as the helicopter departed, and was about half a mile away when I saw the Cub flying away. It was pretty cool to experience these aviators in action!

Tired from my 16 miles along the Verde, I was a little bit annoyed to find that the cowboys had tethered three capturees to trees along the bench near my camp. One of them was not happy with my presence. It was clear that they would be spending the night awaiting their Monday escort to the ranch so I gathered wood and started a fire hoping they'd settle down.

Before long I was shocked to hear two backpackers approach from the north. (It wasn't Emerick so that ruled out the only other person I could envision being out there!) They had started from Sheep Bridge on Friday and set out to go to Doll Baby or something up near Twin Buttes, but hadn't found the trail conditions to be amenable to that kind of travel. They did make it to the East Verde before heading back. They reported that the north crossing of the Verde on VR11 at Petes Cabin Mesa was a bit treacherous, though both accomplished it below waist deep.

I offered them 9L's campsite since their chosen spot on the other side of the creek was not ideal. They took me up on the offer and spent a couple of hours around the campfire chatting about hikes and adventures across the state.

Monday morning JD and Travis headed out about 30 minutes before I did. Cloudiness and cool temperatures made the 8 mile exit mostly enjoyable, even though it was returning over the same trail as the hike in. I took a side trip down Spring Wash and chatted with the cowboys again but arrived at the bridge in just a couple of minutes over 3 hours.

On the bridge I was treated to the unbridled delight and joy of a river otter frolicking in the bamboo. Is there anybody who doesn't think otters are awesome? I took a shot at driving across the Verde but it was a no-go in the Taco, so I spent a couple of minutes in the hot spring, which I had not previously visited. Nice spot, but too accessible to be peaceful very often.

Some final thoughts: This area is absolutely great. If you're not expecting a paved trail, and have maps and gps routes in hand, it's really pretty amazing. It's not easy, but if easy is what you want, you probably won't be reading this at all.

I wouldn't attempt any of this if the weather in PHX is forecast to be over 85. There is basically zero shade. Though you are along the river, you don't frequently have actual access to it. There are not many reliable sources of non-Verde water, and in the dry season there might be none. This trip was done in the end of winter. It would be nicer once the sycamores and cottonwoods leaf out and provide shade along the river, but by then it would also likely be too warm for most people. In the fall you might find the changing colors of the season to be inviting, but depending on summer rains there may be no water in the side drainages. In a year with winter rain, spring wildflowers might be popping by this time of year, but then there might be too much flow to get across the Verde. There's beauty in the complexity of the logistics!

Speaking of the river, crossing would have been no problem anywhere if you wanted to get wet or swim. Tangle Creek was reporting about 230cfs. As the flow increases, the ability to wade across with less than waist-deep water decreases. And current can be an issue in some places even if you want to swim or float. Don't be afraid to deviate from the actual trail crossing location to find a spot that's more suitable or safer to cross. Water always wins.

The Verde River is generally pretty clean, but you should definitely treat any drinking water taken from it. During runoff it can be quite turbid and this would also lead to increased risks from contaminants upstream where there agricultural and livestock farms along its banks.

There isn't even a ghost bar of cellular signal in this whole stretch. As phones begin to have satellite capability this will be less of an issue, but plan on having no connection to the outside world along this entire stretch.

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Dry at trail crossing. Pools upstream about 300 yards.

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Living up to the name

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Hot and wet.

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Appx 220cfs, crossing was above the knee.

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Muddy seeps near trail crossing. A few pools in bedrock downstream.

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Nice clear flow.


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Light flow of clear, cold water. Near record dry winter, so this was a pleasant surprise.
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This was my second trip out to Sheep Bridge in the last five days, which is twice as much as any sane person should consider.

This was my first time hiking this far north on the Verde Trail out of the Sheep Bridge area and I was pretty impressed, great trail and some nice views. The desert is about as beautiful as it gets right now. Dramatic clouds further enhanced the scenery. I had already covered over six miles doing some site steward work earlier in the morning, so this hike was only a three mile out and back, but the three miles packed a nice punch. We finished to some moderate rain and a brief thunderous storm. The river was definitely higher since Saturday and was running brown.

Overall, a nice day out at the bridge that included two nice hikes and some hot springs sandwiched between them. After visiting on a weekday, I do not think I will every come back to this area on a weekend.

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FR 24 was the recipient of some recent road work and was about as nice as I have seen it in awhile. It won't last. The last nine miles are pretty rough and the first 3 miles of those nine miles are the worst for a driving breakdown.
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Decided to venture out into the Mazatzals from the Verde River side. Fun 2.5-3 hour drive there, then a 10am start. The flat part of Dutchman Grave trail is straighforward and easy. Past the springs, route got more overgrown. Not terribly hard to follow in most areas, but scratchy.

Got pretty old on the way down Willow Springs Trail when I kicked a prickly pear and had to remove a spine from my big toe. They're always harder to take out than they are to put in.

Took the spur down to Willow Spring to refill water. Couple of big pools with some flow underneath a bunch of leaves. Nice spot.

Once in the flat area, it was actually possible to run again. Only saw one person all day, a bow hunter up near Mountain Spring.

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Trickle near trail crossing, might be better farther down.

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Only water is at Willow Spring and below Mountain Spring

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Didn't find the actual spring, but could hear water.

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Tank is full, but little if any flow. More water in the creek below the spring.

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Lots of discharge into the Verde River. Dry at creek crossings in the upper forks.


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I finally made a return to the bridge. I was looking to push the knee a little without a ton of AEG, but wanted something more than a boring stroll in the valley. I decided on an out and back to where I remembered seeing flowing water the last time I was in this area. I was hoping for some wildflowers too, but they were not overly spectacular on the drive in, or during the hike.

The hike went pretty well. A little bit of a rocky, steep ascent to gain HK Mesa, but it was cruiser after that. There was a light flow where the trail crosses Sycamore Creek just before Dutchman Grave Spring, so we took our break there. I soaked my knee in the cool water for ten minutes, we let the dogs rest up and then we headed back the way we came.

We checked out some ruins near the bridge before leaving and then made the long bumpy trip back to Seven Springs. The last ten miles to the bridge is pretty rocky and miserable.
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On a whim I decided to head out to Sheep Bridge to check it out. I've never had the chance to go out there, and didn't have much info. Took an hour and a half to get up to Bloody Basin Road, and then an hour or so to do the remaining 12 miles down Tangle Creek to the river.

After parking, we decided to walk around a bit and check out the area. Didn't take like to find the hot springs, and we decided we should definitely save enough time to chill there after the jog.

After crossing over the bridge, we just decided to head north on Verde River Trail until we hit a certain time, and then turn around. It was surprisingly warm, despite the time of year, so I can't imagine this would be pleasant much of the year... The trail wasn't too hard to follow, and probably gets more use than I would've expected. We even ran into a group of hikers on their way to stay the night at Wet Bottom Creek.

We turned around about a mile before Wet Bottom, and headed back to the bridge. Enjoyed a brew while soaking in the hot springs, and then headed back on the road. And then the real adventure started when I decided to take the road through New River Canyon...
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After traipsing around the wilderness for three years, this adventure completes the last of the Mazatzal trails for me. Saved this one for last, as it was one of the OG planned routes and I figured that I would need every bit of experience, both in terms of hiking and gear, in order to knock it out in two days.

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Road walking in the dark. Bumped into two hunters, didn't even realize the season was starting in a few days.

Saddle Ridge #14
Once my eyes adjusted from the two-track to a single track it was pretty easy going. Cairns are big and tread is (usually) easy to make out, a dark line in the light grass, even with no moon to speak of and a few dozen candles strapped to my head. Sun waited until I was 4 miles in before it began to lighten the sky. After that it was smooth sailing, easy going over the pleasant trail, and the snow-dusted North Peak beckoned me onward with icy promises. Watered up at Whiterock Spring, which is heckin' beautiful. Only annoying section is that drop off of Polles Mesa, that got a little painful. Briefly checked out Polk Spring and then crossed the East Verde with little fanfare. That half mile of trail on the south side dragged.

Bull Spring #34
The haul up and over Copper Mountain was just enough to warm me up. It's better defined than I remembered - then again, last year, I had been stumbling down this way hours after sunset, so I may have been biased. Conceded to giving my legs a twenty minute break near Bullfrog Spring to down some water and caffeine before the main climb of the day. Then it was off to the races, a steady march up to the pass, and I passed the time looking around at the other roads criss-crossing their way up these hills. The tread on this trail is smooth and easy enough to let the eyes wander, a rare treat in the Mazzies.

Trail began to fade immediately after the AZT junction, which is to be expected, though it was never hard to track through the waist-high brush, even without a cairn in sight. Beyond the pass there are two minor drainages to swing through, the first of which has an old mining exploration and trailside tank to check out, before the drop into the valley of Bull Spring(s). Along the way I began to pick up the smell of something big and dead and I wondered if something would be fouling up one of the two water sources ahead (ick!) or if I'd stumble upon a kill (yay?). Never found the source of the smell. Anyways, took a break at Bull Spring to pull up to full capacity, struggled a bit to find a steady tread in the area, and then proceeded to LF Hilton, which is in rough shape.

Wet Bottom #269
One of the two sections of trail that I feared the most - yet it had such a great start. No sign at the junction by the cabin, just a curve in the trail. As soon as it crosses the drainage a steady line of cairns show up (a promising sight, after the cairn-free Bull Spring Trail) and a wide, rocky tread marches up the hillside. I was feeling a little tired at this point (over 20 miles behind me) and I noticed, with some dismay, that after the climb there was a second little drainage and valley to walk through. At least there were some good rock tanks down here, so I took the time to guzzle one of my bladders and refill it.

The west side of the valley marked an important point. First, there's a spur trail to Childer's Seep (which I didn't have the time or energy to check out today). Also, it marks the edge of the Willow Fire boundary. This, this is what I was looking forward to the most: a Mazatzal trail near 5000', south of the East Verde, that was spared from that fire. It was immediately gratifying. Old junipers and pinyons and other trees that I'm not smart enough to name (no ponderosas) clustered on the top of this mesa. The route swung back and forth, offering views north to Limestone and south to Wet Bottom Creek and Midnight Mesa, mostly shaded along the way. The cairns were large and the tread, even when it was covered by low branches, was well-defined. I did lose it a few times, either due to impatience or grassy sections.

When the trail began to drop is when it got harder and harder to follow. There were a few obvious re-routes done in more recent years that deviated from my track and, sometimes, didn't even make sense to me. One particularly memorable example was where the route dropped steadily down a drainage with small, humble cairns, only to suddenly be re-routed 300 yards for a mild switchback using huge, chest-high cairns, and then revert back to the little rock piles and original tread. And then, below contour 4400', the trail hugs the north side of a ridge and all bets are off, with game trails, thick growth, and loose ground all conspiring to cause mayhem. I fought this for almost an hour and made a mile of progress and decided to call it a night.

Found a pleasant saddle with a flat spot protected by a large pinyon and quickly set up camp, getting the basic structure in before light left the sky. After the initial rush I took my time boiling water for dinner and tea before settling in with the Kindle. By eight I was completely out and, with the exception of a few rollovers, slept right through the night, one of the better sleeps I've had outside. Woke up an hour before light and just barely got my camp packed up before it started to drizzle. Made oatmeal and coffee under the soft, inconsistent patter of tiny droplets.

The final four miles of trail passed by quickly, becoming steadily better defined the closer I got to the next junction. The only nasty bit was a valley (more like a mesquite maze surrounded by a moat of catclaw) that I eventually did find a way, but not the right way, through. Took a while to pick up the trail on the far side. Squaw Butte became more defined as I descended and the morning drizzle faded in and out, never enough to warrant taking my poncho out for. Reached Highwater at 900, which was the planned campsite for last night, putting me a solid 3 hours behind schedule.

Highwater #20
Feels like I was just on this thing. Watered up at Canyon Creek, otherwise kept my feet moving northward. The rain and mist was starting to thicken and I was started to get worried that my contingency plan (spending a second night out here) might not work with these cold temps and wet weather. This time I followed the trail all the way to the proper junction w/ Verde and found a lonely pole, no sign, to mark it.

Verde River #11
The second feared section of trail, and it was... impeccable. Seriously. It is in at least, if not better, as good of condition as Highwater. Shortly after the junction it cuts right down to the river with a series of rocky switchbacks and then, complete with good cairns, marches along the sandy banks with a few jumps to avoid different obstacles. The first two miles has a lot of bovine traffic, and they stuck to the tread. I was surprised to see a well-defined trail so remote and took advantage of it, putting on the afterburners to make up time.

Rain was coming down pretty steady by now, which, coupled with the wet brush, had my shirt, pants, and boots completely soaked. The temps were in the mid-50s so, as long as I kept moving, this wasn't a problem. Thanks to the well-defined trail and flat going there was no real need to stop, so I didn't. Sure, there were plenty of cool things to take photos of (Squaw Butte kept stealing the show, but there was also Red Wall Rapids, a few very rugged washes, and even a campsite or two), and there were also long stretches of straight path through creosote. Things got a little hairy near the end, when I got impatient on the far side of 2878' and decided to take a more direct route instead of backtracking to the tread and had to play spider-monkey on some rock walls above the Verde. Made it to the East Verde in one piece and let a deep sigh out - it was almost all known trail from here.

Watered up, changed socks, and launched towards the final 11 miles with just a hair over three hours of daylight left. Initial climb to Deadman Mesa Trail was new ground and was steep and rocky and simple to follow. Then I swung east and began the long climb to Twin Buttes. There were two things that I wasn't ready for. The first was fogged glasses... the harder I climbed, the more I steamed, and harder it was to see, which forced me to take periodic breaks to wipe the fog away (cue flashbacks to Midwest hiking). Second was the mud. Everyone complains about the rocks on this trail, yet the mud is so much worse. Even a 20' section of mud would add pounds of clay to each boot, weighing me down and throwing my balance off. I would pray for rocks just to knock some of the clods off.

This quickly became a muddy death march. Thankfully the trail is easy to follow and I could dedicate my focus on sliding one foot in front of the other and not hunting cairns. At least I saw some elk, and cattle, and even a very fat rabbit to break things up. Was within a mile of the boundary when I had to haul out the headlamp, which didn't help at all, and I stumbled-tripped, all balance and coordination wiped out by the haul, in a generally correct direction until, ten feet from the metal posts, a pair of headlights flipped on and completely blinded me. Two hunters (a different set) were very friendly and offered me a ride back down to my Jeep below, which I couldn't agree to fast enough.

Mazatzal Miles: 275/275 (100%)
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Along the Verde, so lovely.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bee Tree Tanks 26-50% full 26-50% full
Super muddy. A gang of elk were going to town in it.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bull Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Both cement trough and metal ring were full of clear water, minimal green stuff near bottom, tasted great.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bull Trap Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Plenty of shallow pools, tho Bull Spring up a ways seemed more appealing / dependable.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max East Verde River Medium flow Medium flow
Plenty of water, though there are still dry crossing spots if you hunt for a bit.


water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Polk Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Beautiful area, lots and lots of water.

dry Red Metal Tank Dry Dry
Nothing.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Red Saddle Tank 51-75% full 51-75% full
Lots of mud, murky water would be hard to reach and totally not worth it.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Rock Creek Heavy flow Heavy flow
Almost as much water flowing into the E Verde as... the E Verde itself.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Saddle Ridge Pasture Tank 76-100% full 76-100% full

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Whiterock Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Tank was overflowing with clear, cold water.
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Red Crk - Wet Btm - Highwater - Verde 11, AZ 
Red Crk - Wet Btm - Highwater - Verde 11, AZ
 
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Hiking26.76 Miles 3,046 AEG
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Took a page from the godfathers' book on this loop. If you haven't read their triplogs, check it out; I personally think the Eagle's video of Joe crossing at Red Creek Rapids is some of his finest work.

FR 18/Red Creek
Hope was to drive all the way to the Red Creek gate. The new Jeep, stock Renegade Latitude, was not enjoying FR 18, so I gave up halfway and walked a few road miles by headlamp instead. Didn't want to risk my ride out. Dropping into Red Creek felt like slipping into a cold bath. Always enjoy seeing my breath during a hike - reminds me I'm still kicking.

Red Creek was a fun walk, especially as the day slowly woke around me to reveal spots of color. Guessing two more weeks for the real show. Flow seemed normal, though there was visible trickle that started at the airport and flowed to the Verde, which I haven't seen before. Passed by one camp and one backpacker, otherwise a quiet morning. At the base of the creek was a gaggle of Jeeps and sprawling camp. They were nice, offering me breakfast and coffee and advice on crossing the Verde, so I felt a little bad when I had to cross the Verde in front of them clad only in boxers and shirt (water was about thigh deep).

After crossing the river I ducked into the reeds to dry off with some dignity before heading over to a short section of Verde River Trail. Already did this section of trail a year ago, so there wasn't anything terribly exciting. Awkward shuffle to find the start of the trail along the bank, steep climb up loose rocks, and then the sign for the start of Wet Bottom. It was a quick half mile.

Wet Bottom #269
Loose rolling rocks faded into solid tread and huge cairns which, coupled with the waking views, made for a dreamy section of trail. Lush green growth along the way made it all the better, even when it tried to hide the route. The climb passed too quickly and, upon reaching the junction with Highwater, I had a hard time turning away. An in-and-out to Bull Springs, with Racetrack Mesas and Limestone Hills to ogle the entire time, sounded so much more fun than playing along the Verde.

Highwater #20
Had a hard time getting into the groove of this trail. Tread was initially difficult to find, and the cairns, while big, had a tendency to shyly duck behind prickly pear and brush. Once it dropped off the mesa things got better and the northern views got more awesome. In fact, the trail was overall well-defined and in good shape (that drop into Canyon Creek was a work of art), although every wash was your typical Mazzie route-finding challenge. Pete's Cabin Mesa was some of the most verdant green I've seen in the lowlands and, as the trail entered this area, I was walled in by vegetation that felt more like an immature Midwest forest than usual open desert. It was fantastic.

The hike got less fantastic after this. Started when I tried to cut over on the 'bottom leg' of the triangle connecting Highwater and Verde River, which is the same route that Joe & Eagle took. Safe to say there's no trail here. There used to be, found some old cairns and tread, but everything is terribly overgrown by palo verde and prickly pear decades old. Should have continued north and done the 'top legs' of the triangle instead, maybe I would have seen the trail junction sign.

Verde River #11
Second frustration happened when I saw the humble state of the Verde River Trail. Tread was almost invisible, cairns were tiny and easy to miss, and everything was wildly overgrown. Compared to the other two trails of today this was by far the hardest to track. I'm not sure why there is such disparity between this and Highwater, both in the same general area - maybe this one is older and hasn't gotten love in a few centuries or something. Anyways, following it south offered good views of the river below and Canoe Mesa beyond and was mentally exhausting.

As soon as the route dropped below the upper banks of the river I was left trail-less so I ambled in the general direction of rapids. Thick reeds masked the way forward so I spent some time doing recon, hacking through to peer up and down just to backtrack and do it again. Confirmed the island was still there and that the upriver side would be easier to wade around than downriver, so I switched footware and hopped in. Water was deeper and slower this time. Got to the other side, filtered out some water, hopped on the bank, dried off and packed up, then walked a hundred feet just to bump into another channel and the realization that there were two parallel islands here and I had to do the whole ritual again. Third frustration. All told it took me 90 minutes to finally get to the western bank.

The haul up the other bank was quick and well-defined, if overgrown, and I welcomed the chance to move in a single direction again. Views from the top were sweet, always nice to look across at them Mazzie hills. Then the trail got, again, hard to follow, with small cairns and barely-there tread. Not quite as bad as the east section, still annoying. When the route followed the contour of a ravine or dropped down a hillside it was easy; flatland and saddles were difficult. The old two-track that picks up before Table Mountain was a most welcome sight.

Oh, and there were tire tracks along most of this section, complete with dug-up tread, knocked over cairns, and uprooted growth. Two tires, in-and-out, guessing it was motorized by the tracks and fresh enough to have happened this weekend. Depressing to see in the wilderness.

Red Creek/FR 18
It was nice to see this pretty section of trail with more light. It was even nicer to see my vehicle at the end.

Mazatzal Miles: 245.7/275 (89%)
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Yellows are starting to yellow. Another few weeks and Red Creek and Verde will be popping.

dry Canyon Creek Dry Dry
Dry at trail crossing, thought I heard something further upstream, didn't check.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Middle Red Creek Medium flow Medium flow
Nice and clear. Only one section of dry bed, otherwise flow all the way to Verde River.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Red Creek Rapids Heavy flow Heavy flow
Over 2' deep, challenging to cross.
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Verde River / Red Creek, AZ 
Verde River / Red Creek, AZ
 
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Hiking28.54 Miles 3,340 AEG
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Last time I tried this area I got two flat tires on Lockwood Mesa. This time I went slower and reached FR 16 in 3 hrs (from south Gilbert). Glad I pulled a fresh audiobook beforehand.

FR 269
Not terrible for a road walk. Probably could have driven down it, was no worse than FR 24 with how dry it is, though that would have ruined my planned loop. Tangle Creek crossings and watching the sun light up East Cedar helped pass the time. Only two vehicles to deal with, quiet morning. Last three miles dragged, couldn't wait to get to the bridge. Saw a handful of tents along the river.

Verde River #11
Tons of prints and wide trail to Sycamore Creek, and then nothing. As expected, this (and almost every other) wash meant hunting for a trail on the other bank, because the Mazzies don't believe in straightforward crossings. Was really impressed by the scenery at the wilderness boundary, with the verde Verde supporting lush trees, White Bluffs just coming in view, and dry desert filling in the gaps. Trail got faint in Dry Wash, ended up just aiming for the bluffs and picking it back up there. Good views from atop the bluffs. Then things just kinda rolled on until Wet Bottom Creek, which was pretty yet quite dry, and then the Wet Bottom Trail junction, when it was time to headed down to the river. Trail gives up there so I rock-hopped to Red Creek Rapids, hung my boots around my neck, and crossed in thigh-deep current. It was surprisingly strong.

Red Creek
Got buzzed by a landing plane (so cool) while eating a luxuriously slow lunch and rehydrating. Eventually got my feet back under me and started up Red Creek. I'm not sure if I enjoyed this part of the hike - it was ridiculously pretty, and I kept tripping over my jaw, yet I was running low on energy and the frequent water crossing / climbing up on banks was tedious at best. Maybe two weeks for color, still a lot of green. After leaving the creek it was four dusty miles back to the van just so I could start the slow drive back in evening light.

Another quiet day. After leaving Sheep Bridge there was only the plane to break the solitude.

Mazatzal Miles: 172.3/275 (63%)
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Scattered yellow, mostly in Tangle. 99% green in Red Creek.

dry Dry Wash Dry Dry
Like, super dry.

dry Horse Creek Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Middle Red Creek Medium flow Medium flow
Surprisingly clear and robust flow along the length.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Red Creek Rapids Heavy flow Heavy flow
Over 2' deep in middle, challenging to cross.

dry Spring Wash Dry Dry
Some huge sycamores, but no water, at crossing.

dry Sycamore Creek Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Wet Bottom Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Only saw one small pool at trail crossing, no trickle.
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Verde River / Deadman Mesa, AZ 
Verde River / Deadman Mesa, AZ
 
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With most of the Mazatzal trails south and east of Chilson Camp knocked out I figured it was time to look in the other direction. Can't get much further northwest than Deadman Mesa #17.

pre-trail
Parked near the powerlines and AZT along 194 and walked the 2.7 miles to Twin Buttes trailhead in the pre-dawn. Almost chilly out. This would be the last time I'd be almost chilly for a long time.

Verde River #11
As others have stated, this trail is rocky. Rocks that rock, rocks that roll, rocks that drop you on your pumpkin and lol. This trail has a lot more than that, though. The views are ridiculously good, starting with the north side of the Mazatzal Mountains and then turning towards Verde / Hardscrabble. There are some genuinely good sections, where the rolly rocks ease up and you can gaze around without watching your step. Plus it's amazing that this is still part of the Mazatzal Wilderness: no wildfire scars, very different terrain compared to the mountainous south, and plenty of shade-giving vegetation. Only had to check GPS once or twice on some faint sections, otherwise this was a breeze to travel. Made it to the trail junction in four hours feeling pretty darn good.

Deadman Mesa #17
Trail sign appears to be gone. Few big cairns marked the junction and a few charred pieces of wood were strewn around, that's it. The cairns marking the start of Deadman Mesa were tiny and obscured by the foxtails - if it wasn't for recent foot traffic pressing some of the vegetation down it would have been annoying to stay on track. Cairns and tracks seemed to give up about 50' above Fossil Creek so I just picked a descent that looked the most painful and rolled down.

Now things get fun. According to the topo maps there are eight crossings to deal with. One of my sandals had fallen off my pack somewhere on the Verde (d'oh! I'll be back on this trail in the fall and will search for it then, until then I'm sorry) so I would either have to do the crossings dry or barefoot. Kept to the track and crossed over some rocks and was faced with an impassable wall of basalt, so I had to backtrack and cross back over, stay on the east bank, and then cross further upstream.

So went the next two miles. I only crossed when I was forced to, usually barefoot and then waiting for feet to dry before hiking a short distance and then re-crossing, making slow and tedious time. Ended up doing six total, might have gotten away w/ only four but the brush got ridiculous. Speaking of, the banks were painful and thorny and had recent flood damage. I only found cairns once where the trail avoided a large swing in the creek - otherwise this section is all bushwhacking. It took me almost five hours to walk those two miles. I'm not a big fan of Fossil Creek right now.

Found where the trail starts the climb up the mesa (someone tagged a few tiny cairns and branches to help with the first hundred feet, so there's that) and camped nearby. Had been tempted to turn this into a dayhike but the heat (well over a hundred now) and the difficult last few miles had taken the oomph right out of me. Napped, swam, drank water, drank some more water, napped again, and eventually drifted off to sleep a bit after sunset. Overnight lows never dropped below 85 (ugh) and a had 2am skunk visitor (yay) so I didn't get much sleep.

Started the climb before sunrise and made it to the basalt fins with the first light. Trail was well-marked and easy to follow, though I suspect downhill would be a bit crumbly and tedious. Plenty of cairns and good tread, especially for being this remote. Route-finding on the mesa was only slightly tougher with thicker vegetation, but a two-track showed up after a mile. Next mile was on-and-off the two-track, then the trail 'ended' (I think, again there were no signs). Then I 'just' followed the road for five miles and 1300' and powerlines for four and a Hardscrabble crossing.

Another quiet day in the Mazzies. Didn't see a single person on trail or on the road sections.

Mazatzal Miles: 143.1/275 (52%) :y:

dry Bills Tank Dry Dry

dry Bull Tank Dry Dry

dry Deadman Tank Dry Dry

dry Hardscrabble Creek Dry Dry
No flow at the mouth. Did not venture upstream to check.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Strawberry Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Some promising pools where it flows into Hardscrabble, under the powerlines.
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Red CreekCamp Verde, AZ
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Backpack12.89 Miles 960 AEG
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Family went to Michigan so I had free weekend. I called up cousin Stephen and we made it happen. I have been wanting to do this hike for some time and it definitely lived up to the expectations. On the drive in from seven springs we saw about 6-7 mule deer. We parked about a mile away from the creek and walked the rest. That road gets real gnarly as it descends to the creek. We did not see anyone at all past the Tangle Creek road. The hike down Red Creek was real nice even though its mostly just a road. There are some real nice lush areas through there and the whole time cactus stand sentinel above the canyons walls. Saw some of the biggest saguaros I have ever seen. Some had arms on arms on arms. Stevie spotted a "funny looking lizard" which was a gila monster crossing the path. Made it to the airstrip in 2 hours and enjoyed some moon juice. There are tools to keep the runway clean, a bottle of lighter fluid and we noticed the fire pit was still warm with some coals still burning so this 'airport' must get regular use (apparently by people who dont know how to properly extinguish a fire). The plan was to cross the Verde and hike a short ways down to Wet Bottom Creek and find a camp spot some where near there. After bushwhacking through bamboo for about an hour and getting nowhere, we decided to go back and camp on the other side of the river. Instead of bushwhacking back, we opted to climb a small hill to try to find the actual trail. We did find the Verde River Trail and followed that back to the rapids and the crossing. I'm not sure why we wanted to go across anyway because that spot right at the end of Red Creek is preemo, one of the best spots I have ever camped at. If I brought a good book and a fishing pole, I could have stayed there for a week or longer. I have never seen so many birds in my life. Literally hundreds of them flying all over the river. Gabby dog had a great time playing in the water. Stevie Wonder and I had a great time just relaxing at this wonderful destination and enjoying the finest $10 bourbon. Got a little sprinkled on but nothing much. Hiked back out the next day and decided to take Bloody Basin Road instead of Cave Creek Road. In the future I would take Cave Creek Road anyday over Bloody Basin Road. I also lost my favorite DBacks cap on that road as we stopped to let the dog out for a while, so if anyone happens to spot it out there, get at me!! We also just missed a pretty bad wreck on the 17 coming back to Phoenix, so just another reason to go Cave Creek Road instead. Overall a great trip and will definitely come back to that spot again!
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Red Creek - Western Verde River Trail, AZ 
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The Red Creek / Western Verde River trail been on my must do list for a while. I had a day off so off I went.

I started at the FR269/FR18 intersection.
Red Creek is a cool place. The creek reminds me of rural Ohio. It was a treat to be walking in the tall trees.

The gate at the corral is open. I’m not sure if it’s related or not, but there was shotgun shells by the open gate. There’s a newer fence blocking an old jeep road that leads to the Alkali seep.
I didn't find the pilot log book/ammo case. I think the airport is closed for maintenance.

Next I hiked the western side of the Verde River trail. The trail is an old jeep road for the first 2+ miles. Then it’s a trail that crosses many washes/drainages. I did a quick side trip to the top of Mule Shoe Bend Mesa ( I made this name up) for views of the Verde.
The northern section of the Verde River trail is a mess. The trail is faint and the cairns are scarce. It seems like the forest service gave up by the Pete’s Cabin Mesa crossing. They just put up a ~20 foot pole and let you figure out the rest.

The moon didn't come until I was near the jeep. So much for a moon light hike :cry: . The temps were perfect. With a 77degree forecast, I was expecting it to be warm. The only time it felt warm was when I was climbing the “Mule Shoe Bend Mesa”

I didn't see or hear another person the entire day. I had the entire place to myself!
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Verde River #11 - Twin Buttes to RiverCamp Verde, AZ
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This trip was nothing but a disaster. I headed out with Lily on Friday morning and arrived at the trailhead. It was warmer than I had expected but figured we would be fine (I should have listened to friendofthundergod who warned me it would be warm). Its not the most interesting hike but I hadn't been to this area and figured camping at the river would make it worth it.

There's pretty much no shade for the entire hike. If you find a stretch of shade longer than 15 feet, you're pretty lucky. I was letting Lily stop and take breaks and everything was fine. I let her cool her feet in a couple of the cow tanks along the way. She started struggling a bit about three miles from the river. I realized quickly that it wasn't the heat-- she'd gashed two of her pads pretty well. I hadn't been expecting that since we've done that kind of mileage on tougher terrain before.

I unfortunately didn't have too many choices about what to do. I didn't have enough water to dry camp and make it out the next day. Since I expected to only be pulling water from the river, I didn't bring my pump-- I had my steripen. Had I brought my pump, I could have camped above the river and pulled water from one of the cow tanks (pumped and chemically treated to be safe). We would have to make it down to the river.

Luckily, I had packed her boots just in case something happened. They were a life saver. She was still hurting, but we managed to make it down to the river with lots of breaks and a few stretches of me carrying her. At the river the bug situation was out of control--swarms of gnats. Some cowboys had taken the only nice camp spot in the area so I found a tolerable spot downstream with enough room to set up camp. I quickly went and pulled all the water I would need for the night and following day,made dinner, and then hid from the gnats with Lily inside the tent for the rest of the evening.

I had to figure out what my plan was for the next day. I already had a gimp dog and I didn't want heat to become an issue on the climb out. We would break camp by 6am and make the biggest climb while it was still cool. I expected a slow pace so I figured making it up to 5,000 ft by 10am and back to my truck by noon would be good goals.

I tried to go to bed early and set my alarm to be up in time. I woke up and packed quickly. I skipped breakfast to save time-- two Cliff bars would have to do for the hike out. Lily was moving pretty bad so I was worried at first but once I got her boots on, they seemed to offer her some help. With the sun still behind the ridge, we made pretty respectable time on our first climb. Lily would start slowing down pretty soon and needed lots of breaks. We made it back up to 5,000 ft just after 10am. This left us with about 4 miles but only 800 ft for the warmest part of the morning.

We made it back to my truck at about 11:45. I've never been so happy to be back to a trailhead. Lily passed out on my passenger seat pretty quickly. Lots of lessons learned on this one.
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East Verde RiverPayson, AZ
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The idea for this trek came from reading the blog of someone who found some pretty nice cliff-dwellings in area of the northwestern Maztzals called the Gorge, the details were vague and it was not clear whether they were found along the East Verde or in one of the side canyons leading into the Gorge. So I made a big loop in route manager utilizing Saddle Ridge Trail #14, the Gorge the East Verde, and Verde River Trail #11. I showed the loop to a couple of HAZers and was a little disappointed to find out someone had already pretty much did the same loop. I thought for a minute I had designed quite the unique off trail back-pack adventure, but of course somebody had already did it, no worries though I knew it would be a good rugged adventure, and I felt I was kind of overdue for one. Bob P joined me for most of day one.

The trip into the Gorge went smooth, I actually overshot my own route by a mile and half because I had hiked in so quick with Bob, I did not realize I was so close to where I wanted to turn-off by the time we split and I hiked another two miles before realizing I wanted to turn-off long ago.

Speaking of splitting, Bob seemed to have had a pretty ambitious route planned for entering the Gorge, so I thought best with dogs and a four day pack to stick to my route and meet him near L.P. Canyon. Bob went on to find a pristine set of petraglpyh, a full elk's head mount, and I got a much steeper and rockier descent into the Gorge. I only went back about six tenths of a mile before saying pumpkin it and taking the quickest route I could find into the sheer sides of the Gorge, rather than the gentle northern slopes of my intended route. In hindsight, I should have stuck with safer first route, as I nearly took Blanco out with a couple boulders that some how managed to find his five hole. I actually almost took Bob out with one as well, I think it was the heavy pack, I was not light on my feet at all..

Had a great time in the Gorge with Bob. We both really enjoyed the scenery in there, the sheer drops, tinkling water falls, deep pools, and mini oasis. Speaking of sheer drops, I was actually relieved to have Bob with me, I would have obviously had to navigate the drops in the canyon regardless, however, it was nice to have company. Bob actually led the way on most, and I cringed as the dogs confidently followed him along 10 inch wide paths a 100 or so feet above the canyon floor, lined with agave for good measure. However, these walks on the wild side were few and generally negated by a quick little "Yahtzee" trail or two that made travel down the Gorge not as horrible as I had thought it could be. I left Bob at Green Horn Canyon and continued down stream towards the East Verde where I almost immediately encountered one of my biggest fears, another huge water fall, we got through it and one more fine, but we were all very happy to be finally reaching camp along the East Verde. I was beat and the dogs were beat, day one ended up being a 14 mile day, with 8-9 of those miles being off trail, oh and I was wearing a four day pack..

I kind of changed my plans I intended to spend two nights along the East Verde, but after not finding the ruins, I decided to just push through to the Big Verde and plan something from a base camp there. The East Verde was beautiful, I started the morning off trying to stay dry and taking the steep out of the way bypasses the cattle take for the deeper spots, however, I think the law of diminishing returns quickly kicked in for me, and I decided they were too hard on the dogs, too over-grown half the time and annoying, so I just started plopping the pack on my head and wading through the river. This actually was a decent strategy in parts where it got thick I just took the water. Although, I learned quickly how a waste deep wade can turn into an arm-pit and neck deep wade. But it really was not that bad, reminded me of trout fishing back home. I camped early after hitting the Verde, I stayed in a really nice spot located in a side canyon off the Verde River Trail. The camp site was awesome and it became even more rewarding when the discovery of a piece of pottery led me to climb three levels of hills to find the largest Pueblo style site I have every found blindly. Just a really large compound with large sections of preserved walls and defined rooms, I have not seen anything that large or preserved outside of the Agua Fria monument area, so that helped alleviate the disappointment of not spotting in cliff-dwellings the previous two days.

The nights were all great, did no rain-fly for last two. The full moon almost literally made it hard to sleep it was so bright. I scaled back day three because Cup seemed a little stiff in the morning. But by scaled back I mean we only hiked the Verde River Trail to Dead man Mesa Trail to Fossil Creek then up to Hell's Hole via Hard Scrabble, then an off-trail cross country route back to the Verde River Trail where we took a nap at camp and went back out again after the temps cooled. Side note Hell's Hole was not that impressive, and I think we need to work on an official route for Dead man Mesa Trail, hike bot seems way off, I followed a well cairn path to Fossil Creek and it was considerably different than hike bot, and I find this is usually not the case?? Likewise, am I the only one who could not follow Dead man Mesa Trail once it hits the Fossil Creek area? I ended up just wading back and forth looking for something that resembled a trail, and think ultimately I just took a series of cattle trails. Hard Scrabble Creek was a bush whack and wet going up to Hell's Hole, so we climbed out there and just rode the contour lines back to the trail while stumbling across ruin sites and ravines that always looked much work at first glance. However, I considered it a success because we never had to drop back into the Fossil or Hard Scrabble Creek drainage's and I was done with creek walking for a while.

Our second hike of the day consisted of following the Verde River Trail past the confluence with the East Verde and towards High Water Trail, but I am not going to lie, I lost the trail after awhile and turned back, it can be tough to follow in spots. However, the parts where we were on trail were pretty cool, you go through a mesquite and hard wood forest that provides a a great canopy through a grassy stretch full of nice spots to camp and close to the river. But then I lost patience with trying to follow the trail and turned back. We actually went back up the East Verde River a little to find the fishing pole and case that I had found the day before, but also left along the trail. I cached that pole and case and will now only need a reel and line if I want to go fishing down there. I explored a few hills, dogs were showing signs of being beat, and it was warm out, so we headed back to camp.

I only did some modest exploring on way out, I went out to Ross' Tank to gain an idea of the canyons leading into the Gorge, and marveled at their depths and drop offs. Then I thought I wonder which one Bob climbed out of? Then the thought crossed my mind, maybe he is still climbing out of one.

Hike out was nice for training Blanco around cows, pretty much indifferent to them now. He was never really bad before, but occasionally he would run up to and startle them, not cool when they have horns. I swear the dogs smelled the car when we hit Twin Buttes Road because they found a second wind. I don't know why I felt I had to scale it back for Cup she finished stronger than ever. In the end the miles were not all that crazy for four days, but they were definitely rugged with about half of the total coming from off trail miles. I was also able to just get some nice chill time around the campsite, finally finishing my book on the English Civil War, so if anyone ever wants to discuss the underlying implications of the Presbyterian and Puritan led Parliament overthrowing the Catholic Monarchy and Charles I feel free to P.M. me. Finally, I did not find the set of ruins I was looking for, but it gives me an excuse to come back.
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Red CreekCamp Verde, AZ
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Day One

Riparian areas in the desert are always a treat. I’d been to Red Creek three times before, but only day trips. The 120 mile round trip, most of it rocky or washboard dirt makes a day trip less desirable. So this time I packed the Jeep with some camp gear and headed out midweek hoping for some solitude. I had big plans for lots of hiking, enjoying a solo camp, and polishing some bush crafting skills.

Drove the washed-out last few hundred yards of FR18 to discover a group of young people scattered along the Creek. Made my introduction and discovered they were part of the Anasazi Foundation, a group that uses nature and primitive living skills to help young people. I’d seen a group from the Anasazi Foundation on a previous trip to Red Creek. It was fitting that many of the skills they were using were ones I planned to practice in my camp. They were on the last night of their seven week “walk”. Later on my hikes I found faint traces of their camps. Most people would have walked right over them and not known anyone had been there. I was impressed.

Spent some time scouting for a good camp spot and resources, but mostly enjoyed the sounds and beauty of the creek. Settled on an easy spot to make camp, gathered some wood, set up my sleeping arrangements. Busied myself by making a bow saw and charred some braided cottonwood bark, punk wood, and yucca for my tinder kit.

I like to eat well, so tonight was going to be steak, corn on the cob wrapped in bacon (an experiment), and home baked bread. The cook fire was split sycamore started with cottonwood bark as the tinder and brought to life with a spark from my fire steel. The steak was fantastic and I heartily recommend bacon wrapped roasted corn on the cob.

After securing camp for the night, I settled in to read “Woodcraft and Camping” by Nessmuk (pen name of George W. Sears, a writer for “Forest and Stream” magazine) first printed in 1884. While familiar with Nessmuk’s teachings, I’m sorry to say I’d never read “Woodcraft”. Usually I do not imbibe on solo outings, but the thought of reading the Old Master’s work by a fire along a remote stream definitely called for a beverage well aged and very cold. A few pages in and I realized to have read this book in any other setting would have been a sacrilege of the direst proportion. The fire, the drink, and the words were most pleasant, the words the more so.

“Ten o’clock comes. The time has not passed tediously. You are warm, dry, and well fed. Your old friends, the owls, come near the fire-light and salute you with their strange, wild notes: a distant fox sets up for himself with his odd barking cry and you turn in.”

Day Two

Morning broke cold, but not uncomfortably so. Always first, a quick fire and a kettle for coffee before I attend to my person. Bacon laid across the grill as bannock baked in a makeshift Dutch oven using the lids of two cook pots, the larger inverted on top and filled with coals. I experimented with cooking an egg in the empty rind of an orange. While not a failure, I give the process low marks. The rind held but one egg and was cumbersome to put in the coals without either burning yourself or spilling the egg. If you ever find yourself stranded in an orange grove with a laying hen and nothing else, then by all means try it. Otherwise, perhaps not. The bannock, orange juice, and coffee were good; the bacon spectacular.

Secured the camp and packed my day bag. Meandered downstream taking in sights remembered from my last hike here. Bumped into some of the Anasazi group. We shared politenesses and I moved on so as not to intrude. Creek crossings are too numerous to count along the Red, but it is seldom more than a several inches deep and there are many well placed rocks. My feet were never wet. The cottonwood leaves shimmered a light bright green against the dark bark of the tree. In contrast, the sycamore limbs were sun-bleached bone white and the tree nude of leaves. Mesquites were ever present with their black tangle of confusing growth. Periodically sedge and cattails lined the Creek. Saguaro and Palo Verde looked on from above.

The Creek goes underground but springs back to the surface before reaching the Verde River. While traversing this dry section I diverted south to visit the Red Creek International Airport. The Terminal was abandoned; must not be a big travel day on the Red, so there was no one to pitch horse shoes against or to join me at the picnic table. I strolled down the center of the runway (listening for an engine whine just in case) to visit the wind sock which looks even more out of place here than I do in a Scottsdale night spot. Looking down the very short length of the runway, I thought this landing here is different from landing the 737 in Burbank only in that the Red’s surrounding neighborhood is more civilized.

The confluence of the Red and the Verde is marked by rapids and fast water. Fording did not look advisable. The Verde is a truly wild river in this stretch. Someone has left a picnic table here, so that was lunch. Took a short side stroll up Verde Trail 11 and then back tracked to camp.

Celebrated the hike back at camp with a Kilt Lifter and some salted almonds. Hadn’t noticed the slogan on the Kilt’s can, “Pack it in. Pack it out.” I like this stuff.

Spent the afternoon puttering around camp. My inflatable mat had uninflated the night before, so I built a simple shelter over a debris bed of leaves. Would have liked to top it off with “fine Hemlock browse” as Nessmuk described, but we don’t have Hemlock in Arizona, so my mattress topper was salt cedar. Constructed a fire reflector and knew I’d sleep warm with my wool blanket. Tested some of the charred material from the night before by creating an ember in it and then blowing a flame in cedar bark. Some people like making trouble. I like making fire. Played with the bow saw I’d made and then crafted a bucksaw and tried it on wood for the night’s fire.

Dinner was brats, sauerkraut and hoe cakes, or corn pone if you so desire, all cooked over a cottonwood fire started with fat wood shavings and a scrape of Old Sparky, my trusty fire steel. I’d brought along spicy mustard for the brats and honey and butter for the cakes. Finished the last of the beer with dinner.

Cleaned and secured the camp and myself before setting in to finish both the whiskey and “Woodcraft”, not that there was much left of either. I had planned to roast an apple with its core filled with brown sugar and cinnamon, all of it wrapped in tin foil and set in the coals. But I had misplaced the foil and thought I’d left it home until later I found it cowardly hiding behind the seat of the Jeep. But I’d brought along a large bag of peanut M&Ms. As a kid I was not a particular fan of the candy. But while attending SERE (survive, evade, resist, escape) school as a fledgling fighter pilot, our instructor brought a large unopened bag of the stuff to our camp each morning and took it with him each evening, still unopened. We were out for a week or so and had no rations and all the game for miles had been frightened away. When we loaded up to leave the area, he tossed the bag back to us dozen or so starved and dirty young men. Since then I’ve been rather partial to them. And the apple would keep, so it was no loss.

With fading eyes I finished “Woodcraft” and on his final page Nessmuk bid me good night with

“Wherefore, let us be thankful that there are still thousands of cool, green nooks beside crystal springs, where the weary soul may hide for a time, away from debts, duns, and deviltries, and a while commune with nature in her undress.”

And I turned in to my forest bed and slept well only rising to stoke the fire now and again.

Day Three

Awoke and tended to the normal routine of fire, coffee, cleansing and breakfast. This morning was a simple fare of oatmeal, a toasted bagel with cream cheese, and a banana. Breaking down camp is a chore but necessary of course. Packed up everything and cleaned the area of my presence.

Hiked upstream this time, as opposed to yesterday’s downstream. Frost came to mind. “Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, and sorry I could not travel both and be one traveler, long I stood and looked down one as far as I could.” But the beauty of Red Creek is that the trails each way are short enough that no choice is required. Simply take them both.

The upstream hike is easy enough and there is no jeep trail along this part of the Red. A faint footpath can be seen along portions of the creek. A mile or so up is an impressively noisy fall and then beyond that is a very large cave along the northern bank, maybe 75 to 100 feet high and more across. It has a colony of bats and bee hive high above the west entrance. It has obviously been a camp but the room sized boulders that have calved from the ceiling might make a restful night difficult for a cautious man. I saw no sign of glyphs. Farther along on the south bank are numerous smaller caves, large enough for a camp and one had recently been used.

Glorious rain began about this time. While just a gentle sprinkle, this area is renowned for impressive flash floods and I was in an area of steep side walls. Seeing debris high above me was enough to remind me that both life and wonderful adventures must end. I chose to end the adventure and return to the Jeep and the now slightly less dusty roads leading home. A few hours later I was greeted by a hand written sign on the door leading in from the garage commanding that I leave my filthy clothes and toys outside. I’m sure Mrs. Nessmuk had a similar sign.
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Ken and Scott were kind enough to let me tag along on this outing with the kids. First stop was Ister Flat on the east side of the Verde. Cool spot. We messed around beside the river and saw some bird nests in the cliff? Next we went to Sheep Bridge. Quick trip to the hot springs and then the Verde River trail and a couple of miles out along Willow Springs.

We were amazed at the amount of water coming out of the Mazzies. Davenport, Deadman and Sycamore all had high flows. I think Chumley is right that last storm dumped over there "estimated rainfall in excess of 2" maybe more?

Thanks guys for a very enjoyable day.
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Scott and I took the kids to Sheep’s Bridge. Richard joined us. The Verde was so low that you could wake across without getting your feet wet. The road to Sheep’s Bridge was muddy with some ruts. Deadman’s wash had more water in it than the Verde! We stopped at the turn for Ister flat and took a short hike down. The kids had fun throwing rocks in the river. Then we headed back and went to the bridge. We all went to the hot spring. Nate loved the corn maze feel of it. Scott took off and Richard , Nate and I went down the Verde River trail. The sycamore creek was not passable for kids. Even the grownups may have gotten their feet wet! This was the most water I've ever seen in the creek.

We then meandered around back to the river, then down Willow’s springs trail. Before we left, Nate wanted to go back to the hot spring one last time.
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I really like the Sheep Bridge area, but the drive is a pain. The road from the 24/269 intersection was in better shape than the last time I took it. A lot of the minor rock steps were gone. I think the recent rains deposited a lot of dirt on the road and evened out the rock steps. The Tangle creek was flowing a bit higher than usual.

Two unusual/interesting/weird events happened this day. One was at the start and the other was at the end of the hike.

Just as a started hiking on the bridge a helicopter landed on the beach!! At first I was thinking it was a rescue, but the helicopter was not police or SAR. Neither the pilot nor the helicopter had any official markings. The pilot stood in the river with some device taking readings or pictures. I thought about asking for a ride to a remote spot in the Mazzies, so I could do a one-way hike back :sl:. Maybe the other end of the Verde River trail.

Now for the hike:
The original plan was to hike to the Willows Spring / Midnight Mesa intersection as an out and back. The Willows spring is well defined and in good shape, but now it's obscured with the tall grass. It took me much longer than expected to reach the Mountain Spring area. I checked out the Mountain spring and the water looked yucky :yuck: with algae. The spring itself is shaded with tall trees.

The Willows spring trails gets nicer past the Mountain spring. There were 5~6 foot cairns leading the way up a saddle. The Mazzies make you work hard, but they reward with amazing views. I was past my turn around point, but the trail and views were so nice that I couldn't bring myself to turn-around ;) . I'm pretty sure I turned around at the Lost Spring trail. I either missed the sign or the sign was missing.

Since I fell short of hitting the Midnight Mesa trail ](*,) , I returned on the Dutchman's Grave trail aka the Mountain Spring loop. About a 1/2 mile down the Dutchman's grave, I found a 5 point elk antlers by a tree :) .
There's a little bit of route finding on the Dutchman's grave trail. I personally like the Willow Spring trail better.

I returned to the Sheep Bridge in the dark. I did notice that most all of the creek was dry. I was hoping to see waterfalls and gushing water like people have been seeing by Eastern side of the Mazzies.

Now for the 2nd unusual/weird event of the day. As I got closer to the Verde River I could see a pair of tail lights on the road. They were parked for a long time. At first I thought it was someone setting up camp. After a bit the lights moved a bit. Then the road was out of sight and then I stopped seeing the lights. When I hit the sheep bridge, I saw a pair of tail lights right next to my Jeep. Something seemed odd about the tail lights. Then it dawned on me, it was a sedans tail lights! It was a Nissan Altima!

When I got to my Jeep, a young kid came out with a crude hand drawn map of the Verde River. He asked if he could hike on banks of the Verde. I was tired / confused and weird-ed out. I told him to wait till morning and just hike on the Verde trail.
He told me that it took him all day to get to this point. He had tried to drive over the Horseshoe Dam and was turned away. He was going to spend a couple of days at the Sheep Bridge.

Then it gets better. All of a sudden he starts yelling *!?* :tt: , *!&@ :tt: . He locked his keys in the running car. He had to bust out the passenger window to get back in the car.
There's more, but I digress... :out:
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Verde River Trail #11 to Red Creek, AZ 
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Last year on Jan 21st we hiked the middle third of #11. I got a little over an hours sleep. Lost my favorite jacket since high school. The Verde was flowing at 238 cfm near Tangle Creek.

Today we hiked the southern third. I went in without any sleep. The river looked and sounded meaner. Turns out only a couple more drops in the bucket at 256 cfm. The bridge is cool.

#11 travels very well and is easy to follow to Wet Bottom Creek. Only slightly brushy and a hint of route finding to Wet Bottom Trail #269. About 3.1 miles into our hike we went out on a soft ridge peninsula overlooking the Verde. Very cool on the perch. My second favorite area is the last mile to #269. The textures and colors of the twisted terrain was enjoyable in my book. The entire hike was nice.

The return trip included a half mile exploring alongside the river to Wet Bottom Creek. We lunched next to the babbling creek merging into the silent giant. Next it was off to lichen rock. An enormous dinosaur sized green beast with saguaros dancing around it's domain. Then to a narrow canyon that quickly took us back to #11. The rest was a painful sleepless blur. Bruce has sworn the entire area off due to the drive. I'll return someday to check out those faint western Mazzie trails, preferably with a wink of shuteye under the belt.

Not a single wildflower observed.

Next week the needle goes on the LP record...
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It took me a year to forget about the drive out to this area. Whether you approach this area from I-17 and Bloody Basin Road, or come up from Cave Creek on FR24 (Seven Springs Rd), it is 41 miles of dirt. Rough in spots, real rough in others. There are 3 creek crossings east of FR24 on 269. Passable with High Clearance when dry. I'd stay off when wet. I can't say one way is any better/easier than the other.

Last year in January, we ventured out to Red Creek and hit the Verde River Trail going north in a loop with some other Mazzy selections.

This Year, it's the Verde River Trail #11, from it's southern start at Sheep Bridge. I've always wanted to get out to Sheep Bridge, and the area did not disappoint. We were there early enough on a Saturday Morning to miss any potential crowds. Even on the way back, 2 groups camping and one group just packing up their Kayak and Canoe.

The plan was to hike the Verde River Trail to Red Creek, and then attempt to follow the Verde River shoreline back to Sheep Bridge.

This is an enjoyable (Except for the whining) track. Sweet views of the Verde River to the West and snow capped Mazzy's to the East. Relatively easy to follow except when crossing Wet Bottom Creek. We made it out to the Red Creek area for our turn around. The Verde seemed to be moving faster this year in the same spot where we crossed it last year. Later checking by Joe verified it was, but only marginally.

Time to turn around and start our attempt to follow the Verde back to Sheep. It was slow going as we made our way to our lunch spot at the Wet Bottom Creek confluence with the Verde. After lunch we decided that at the pace we were traveling, I would not be able to put up with the *itchin' for another 12 hours. So after 1.5 miles of Bushwhacking/scrambling next to the Verde, we made our way up an unnamed slot canyon and back to the trail.

When we got back to the Sheep Bridge area, I checked out the hot spring. I thought it'd be nice to soak my feet in the hot water. The Hot spring is hidden within the reeds. There is a tunnel formed out of the reeds to get to it. I decided when I got there that the two unclothed souls did not need me soaking my feet in their warm pool.

Video Fodder ==> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53YVrQ5kYAw&edit=vd

I'm almost ready to go back out there again. :D
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Not sure on the flow, but the HOT Spring was full of a Hot 96 degree water.

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