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KP Rim Trail #315 - 4 members in 8 triplogs have rated this an average 2.8 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Jul 26 2025
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KP Rim LoopAlpine, AZ
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Tried this loop (with Steeple rather than the Long Cienega route mentioned in the official guide) a few years ago and bailed on the way down KP Creek, following a game (bear) trail straight up to the KP rim. I decided to try it the opposite direction this time, in order to get the potentially overgrown part of Steeple out of the way first.

First mistake was that I left all my nutrition in Phoenix, so I had to buy stuff at a gas station in Eagar. And in retrospect, I needed more calories.

Things were going OK for awhile. At about 8k elevation, in the upper reaches of Steeple trail, I very nearly stepped on a black-tailed rattlesnake, which unlocked a whole new fear about something I didn't think I'd have to worry about up there. Steeple Trail was in surprisingly good shape considering all the locust in the area, and I didn't have any serious route finding issues until I was within a quarter mile or so of Paradise Park trail. It started getting a little scratchier right before the junction, but past Paradise Park trail there was a nice shady stretch with a couple spots with an actual trickle in the creek.

I was expecting the dry stretch of KP Trail that traverses along the bench to be potentially hot, scratchy, and miserable, but it was actually not too bad. While the trail was faint in places, it was always pretty intuitive where it went, with some occasional confidence cairns and even a set of someone fresh footprints.

I was happy to get to KP Creek, but it turned out this was where the struggle really began. There was a really overgrown stretch just upstream from the McKittrick trail junction where I was really not sure where I was supposed to be. At one point I saw an apparent path leaving the creek on the north side, which I followed and wasted 15-20 minutes following probably game trails before I decided I need to backtrack and follow the creek. Things improved slightly within a half mile or so upstream from the Blue Cabin Ruins trail (still signed, but the trail looked nonexistent), but that's where the grade really started increasing.

By the time I got to the South Fork confluence, I was pretty wrecked, and worried about running out of water. I also forgot my filter back in Phoenix, so I kept a bottle of unfiltered creek water for the purpose of at least keeping my mouth moist, which seems to have helped. But the real problem was lack of calories, and I was basically crawling by the time I was on my way up North Fork, and stopping every 10 minutes or so for a break.

Brutal day, but glad I finally got this one done. Unfortunately, with the slow start to the monsoon, there is nothing worth foraging as of yet.

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Good flow from the confluence all the way down to where KP trail leaves the creek. Flow in the north fork starts about a half mile up from the confluence.

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Upper Steeple (above Paradise Park junction) is dry. The springs marked on the map between PP and KP trails have a trickle.
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KP Rim Trail #315Alpine, AZ
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I was surprised to see how good of shape the KP Rim Trail is still in since my last visit. The aspen have really grown these last few years and the locust actually seems to be dying out some and giving way to the traditional forest again in spots. I only hiked to Willow Spring, but I did some trimming of some light locust in spots on the way in and the way out. There might be a few spots that get a little overgrown with some good summer rains, but the trail was otherwise in immaculate shape to include the Steeple Trail portion. There was only a couple of downed trees to step over along the Steeple Trail. The constant cycle of downfall along this trail may finally be hitting a point of manageability.

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Full spring and overflowing.
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P-Bar Lake Trail #326Alpine, AZ
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Too many things to do Saturday morning and early afternoon, but I still wanted to get into nature and some cool air this weekend, so I decided on heading over to the Blue. Car camped at the Red Hill TH for the night before heading over to the P Bar Lake TH to hike early Sunday. Got woken up at around 3:45am from a slight movement of my truck, followed by the sound of some heavy steps right outside. It was pitch black, couldn't see anything but I'm assuming it was an Elk since the steps sounded pretty heavy. Laid back down and in the distance I heard some wolves howling (which is awesome to hear). Got up at 5:15 and it was freezing pumpkin cold; 45 degrees out and I left my windows cracked. :( Before heading over to the other TH, I decided to do a quick mile hike up to the wilderness boundary on the Red Hill trail.

Red Hill Trail - Trail was in pretty good shape up to the boundary, one small section of light overgrowth as you got closer to the ridgeline but nothing horrible. If some maintenance isn't done in the near future on the bottom section near the TH it is going to turn into a Black Bear Raspberry diner. Currently just off trail but starting to encroach. Made it back to my truck and headed over to the P Bar Lake TH.

P-Bar Lake - My original plan was to hike the P Bar Lake trail over to Grant Creek and take it down to Moonshine Park, but things changed. The P Bar lake trail is in great shape, very small minor deadfall especially after you finish the initial climb and get closer to the junction but nothing major.

Foote Creek - Once I got on the Foote Creek trail from the P Bar Lake junction here came the deadfall over and over again with some taking me on a detour through New Mexican locust jungles. A ton of them looking pretty recent. No overgrowth issues on this one, the Locust is just off the trail though so it could get overgrown pretty quick without any type of use. I thought about continuing on Foote Creek past P Bar Lake but the trail disappeared into overgrowth and deadfall shortly after, so I decided against it.

Grant Creek - Quick break at P Bar Lake (still not sure why they call this a lake) and started my decent down the Grant Creek Trail. Initial part of the trail is good, then starts getting a little cramped but not horrible. As the trail turns to the left and goes into the steep drainage part it gets really bad. I ran into a Locust jungle that I could not see through and with the descent just starting not knowing if the rest of the Grant Creek Trail was gonna be the same, there was no way I was gonna fight it, so I turned around and headed back to my truck. Pretty disappointed on this one as I have been wanting to get into the Moonshine Park area for awhile now.

KP Rim - Decided to drive over and hike the KP Rim trail. The trail was good for about a tenth of a mile. Once the climbing started it thickened up and then turned into a Fern and Locust jungle. Had a good size tree blocking about halfway up and the only way past it was to get on all fours and crawl underneath. I pushed through the jungle hoping that it would give me some awesome views on top of the rim but no dice, so my blood donation was all for not. This trail is currently inhabited by thousands of grass hoppers who get pretty pissed off that you are disturbing them so they jump right into you; eyes, face, doesn't matter, they are just trying to piss you off. :o

It was a little warm in the sun (77 degrees) but it felt awesome to be back out in the Blue again enjoying the trees and the tons of Elk and deer. Did not see single person the entire day! Can't wait to get back out there again.
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max P Bar Lake 1-25% full 1-25% full
I would not even think about filtering from this 'lake'. Barely any water and tons of animal tracks and scat.
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Aug 27 2022
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North Fork KP Trail #93Alpine, AZ
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Original plan was to do a full loop on KP and Steeple. Figured ~15 miles or so. Was expecting some rough trail, but right off the bat, as I headed down North Fork KP, it was locust city. Expected the stuff right by the TH to be trimmed...

It was really pretty down there, but with all the locust, it was slow going. Took probably at least an hour to get to the KP trail junction. After the junction there was a nice clear stretch, but after a couple of creek crossings, it got messy again. Decided I didn't want to be out there for ~7 hours (the purpose of this trip was to have fun) so I headed back up.

About a half mile into the return, I saw what appeared to be game trails, and got the crazy idea to bushwack out of the canyon up to Steeple Trail. The biggest concern was that I'd get to something impassible and have to go back down, but the game trails made me feel OK about it. Over half way up, I came across who I think is the trail steward on this route - a black bear. Ol' Dmitri didn't want to pose for a photo, unfortunately, and was off right away. There were certainly stretches of this 1 mile, 1,600 foot off-trail climb in which I regretted my decision, but the feeling when I got to the top made it worthwhile.

Wanted to do some raspberry grazing, but some storms were rolling in, so I decided to call it a day and head up to Molly B's in Greer for lunch.

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Hannagan meandering, AZ 
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Bit of an ill-fated day, didn't get a whole lot of sleep after I saw a wolf jog by in the middle of the night. The plan was to go down Fish Creek trail. Got to Hannagan TH in time for a 7am start, and immediately got lost in the campground. Wandered around a bit looking for the trail, then went back, when I found a "Fish Creek Tr" sign about 15 feet off the main trail, with no visible route. I followed blazes, with a few stretches of what seemed to be tread, to a fire road west of the campground. Wandered down the road a bit looking for the continuation, but decided it must have been right on the other side. Indeed, I found the tread, which quickly disappeared into thick locust. The upper part of this trail is pretty much a no-go at this point, unless you like climbing over deadfall while being scraped to death.

Headed back up to the TH, debating on whether to just go to a different TH, but decided to check out the Aker Lake trail (spelled "Achre" on the trail signs). This was a nice meandering trail, with only a few slightly overgrown patches. The lake itself had one of those ambiguous shorelines where there's tall grass and you're not really sure whether you're in or out of the lake. Probably easier to go around the south side.

Decided to take the dirt road back to 191 and cross over the highway to make a loop. Headed down KP Rim trail, which is all through burn scar, but well-trimmed. Took the Steeple connector north, which I had done previous day. Not much changed over a period of 20 or so hours, but I was surprised to find I had left plenty of raspberries unpicked.

Intended to explore down Upper Grant Creek a bit, but the trail quickly disappeared into raspberry vines. Didn't really want to deal with that, so I decided to check out Clell Lee Spring trail instead. This trail was A-OK, a nice gentle grade down a pretty valley, ending up at the spring, where there's the remains of what could be an old building. After this it was just a jog back up to Hannagan Meadow.
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Long Cienega Trail #305Alpine, AZ
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I decided to finally check out the Long Cienega Trail on my last day in the Blue Range with the pups. The forest service list the trail as impassable and it was a trail not suitable for stock prior to the Wallow Fire, so I was not expecting to find much. I had also seen the bottom section of the trail where it meets Grant Creek and it did not look great, but my interest in the trail was still a little strong after walking by and identifying the meadow where it starts a few months ago with Katie.

The KP Rim Trail definitely got a face lift recently, but there was still a little deadfall and the locust is coming back fast. The same for the Steeple Trail. The old trail maps do not accurately reflect the intersections of KP, Steeple and Long Cienega anymore. I do not know when things were rerouted here. But KP Rim Trail intersects with Steeple about four-tenths of a mile before where the old trail is marked and what the forest service references in older descriptions for some of those trails. This might explain why I struggled so much finding the intersection with Steeple when I did my first backpack through here in 2014.
I then looked down and could clearly see the meadow I needed to get to, but no trail to get there. I said to myself I will go exactly .25 miles to meadow look for Steeple Trail #73, if I don't find, I turn right around. As luck would have it, after about 100 feet off trail I ran into my long lost connector trail. The trail now ran in a complete opposite direction of the trail featured on my G.P.S


I now realize that the trail I hit after going cross country was Long Cienega and then I took that right up to Steeple Trail, never realizing my mistake until yesterday. I knew something was up when Katie and I initially struggled to find the intersection using an older route as well, but now with a freshly cleared Steeple Trail, there is no doubt the intersection has moved.

We only did a short portion of Long Cienega, but I was pleasantly surprised. The meadow area alone is worth the detour. It was a bit of a log hurdle to get to the cienega, but there the trail was most clear and there were occasional blazes on the trees. The dogs loved the big open area and there were several signs of this area being heavily frequented by a lot of wildlife. Some large trees lining the cienega survived and the ferns were plentiful, making for a pleasant little stretch of trail. There is no sign at the junction for Long Cienega, but there is a large rock cairn and a faint trail is noticeable. A clear path leads through a grove of aspen and then some deadfall needs to be negotiated

We returned the way we came to some rumbling clouds in the distance, but sunny skies above us. I will give Long Cienega two stars until I can further explore it.
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KP Rim trail, to its "intersection" with 73 has many downed trees but is generally passable. Unfortunately the turn off for 73 to the north is not marked, and I spent 90 minutes thrashing through locust bush and fallen trees piled 10 feet high looking for it at its place on the map. Checking now that I get back, FOTG posted a route show the intersection in a different place. The trail, even where it may be, must be very faint. I didn't find anything resembling a trail 73, nor Long Cienega 305 trail in the area, but I did find the rest of the Steeple Trail back to Hannagan Campground from the trail 305 area, and upon reaching the highway, I took Ackre Lake trail back to my starting point.

Steeple 73 is nice from its TH near Hannagan Meadow to Grant Creek Trail and probably will earn you credit with your girlfriend, since it is a hike through mostly surviving forest, alongside ferns and flowers. Steeple 73 is primitive between Grant Creek and Cienega 305 "Trail" where it goes through a largely moonscaped area full of locust bush and a few grassy meadows. Steeple trail is godawful from 305 to trail 315, the area being a mess of downed trees and locust bush with no trail apparent. The Forest Service appears to have ignored everything south of Grant Creek Trail, possibly because they cannot find the trail.
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Dry where steeple crosses grant creek, though I didn't venture up the meadow to check on the source.
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Blue Range Primitive Area, AZ 
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Made another pilgrimage east to the Apache-Sitgreaves, more specifically the Primitive Blue Range area, or as my map says the Blue Range Wilderness and Primitive Area. However, even the latter is a bit of a misnomer, as currently the Blue Range has not achieved wilderness status in the eyes of Congress and to this day remains the last "primitive" designated area in the United States. Not sure what any of that means, however, anyone who knows me, knows that I would have a natural attraction to any area with the word primitive in its title. Similarly, since my first visit about a year ago, this area has really intrigued me. It was in this are that Aldo Leopold (arguably the founding father in American conservationism and ecology) obtained his first position working under the federal forest service. Leopold saw much in his day, he spoke fondly of the "mountain" in fact, one of his most famous written works, "Thinking Like a Mountain" is based off of his expediences in and around Escudilla and the Escudilla Wilderness area. So the question for me: could I find what gravitated Leopold to this area and transformed him into perhaps America's first conservationists, but 100 years later and after the greatest forest fire the Southwest has seen in contemporary times? Spoiler alert the answer is a resounding yes!

A chance encounter with a game warden around 10:00 p.m. on Friday changed my plans slightly for the three days. He had personally just conducted a "shocking" and fish count of Grant Creek and gave me some pointers on where all the trout were congregated. However, if I were to hit these areas, I would have to modify my original route of Grant Creek Trail which stays high above the creek until crossing around the lower elevations where the Game Warden officer told me all the fish had been killed or can no longer exist due to warmer water temps caused by the destroying of their natural shade and the naturally warmer water at lower elevations. So from the intersection of trails #76 Foot Creek and #75 Grant Creek I took trail #306 down to Grant Creek and decided I would just fish and hike the whole stream length off-trail to its southern intersection with trail #75. If the fishing and beauty of Grant Creek were not as great as they were, this might have turned out to be a negative experience. Movement down stream was very slow at times, however, as I stated earlier the fishing was amazing and the creek beautiful so it negated the slow moving pace of boulder hoping, and down climbing water falls complete with three day pack and pole in hand, oh and along with keeping Blanco floating and upright through some of the deeper pools and obstacles. From there I made good time to the Blue River, passed through a little bit of civilization as I walked the forest road that connected my ambitious loop. I took the first opportunity to camp at a place marked the "box" on my map. This was one of first areas where there were not a dozen no trespassing signs or signs proclaiming the owner's willingness to shoot me if I stepped foot on their property. Day one turned out to be a little over 17 miles, camping was nice, but not spectacular, ate well, slept well.

I thought day 2 would be a much easier day, however, that did not turn out to be necessarily true, thanks in part to some of my decision making. I hate to give a negative trail description, because with trails everyone has their own opinions, and I would not want to steer someone away from an area. However, Steeple Trail #73 is probably a trail one could leave off their to do list for the time being. The upper sections of the trail have really been damage by fire and the trip across KP Mesa is enough to make one yearn for a very quick change of scenery. However, that is simply not the case as you seem to hike forever to simply cross KP Mesa's fire damaged landscape where one can easily see areas that suffered 100 percent devastation from fire. From Steeple Trail #73 I took trail #70 into the KP Creek area. However, this trail got no better! In fact, I will give a fair warning, if you do not have a G.P.S route for this trail or sound topo reading skills, I would avoid this section of trail all together. One can safely say to some degree that this trail ceases to exist in several spots, littered with dead fall, washed out and very faint in the good spots. Nevertheless, we were doing just fine, traversing the several drainages leading to K.P. when I had the great decision to cut a mile or so off route and explore some off-trail sections of K.P. Creek. The whole situation reminded me of something my friend Jim always says when I am pondering short-cuts and more direct off trail routes. He always says, "if that way is shorter or easier, that would be the way." Well in this case that held to be 100% true. I could tell from cliffs along opposite side of creek that there was potential for not being able to cut down to creek and man did that hold true, cliffed out once, then took a side drainage only to come to an impassible pour-over so intimidating that I did not even snap a photo, Blanco and I finally broke through down about a 4-5 foot wide scree shoot, hit the creek where Blanco drank profusely and I silently chastised myself. One would think at this stage in the game I was done making those kind of mistakes, but something tells me that won't be the last time. We slowly made our way up the lower section of K.P Creek where the trail is a little tough to follow and made camp at a superb location.

The final day was just an easy hike up K.P. Creek to K.P. Rim Trail, back to the upper section of Steeple Trail and back to the TH. Everything on this hike went well except finding my short connector trail to complete my K.P. Rim loop. Similar to the hike description, the turn-off for the trail is very hard to find and the forest fire certainly did not make it any easier. In fact, the author wrote had we not had the route downloaded we would have never found the turn-off. Unfortunately, the author failed to post "said" route to description, I guess his way of adding a little excitement for the next guy, we found it but you are on your own I guess. After accepting defeat I was reserved to back-track and make the less than 2 mile trek down 191 to my TH. However, this whole thought was leaving a bitter taste in my mouth, almost like a surrender, or a walk of shame in my mind. First a small voice contemplated just going off-trail the whole way until I found something to walk on. However, this voice was quickly drowned out by about 1000 sane other voices in my head who still had yesterday's folly fresh in their minds and they quickly and probably for the better got that thought out of my head. I then looked down and could clearly see the meadow I needed to get to, but no trail to get there. I said to myself I will go exactly .25 miles to meadow look for Steeple Trail #73, if I don't find, I turn right around. As luck would have it, after about 100 feet off trail I ran into my long lost connector trail.

The trail now ran in a complete opposite direction of the trail featured on my G.P.S! Oh well no time to curse and dwell, I was happy to be on trails and heading back to car, went through some pretty bad burnt out sections, but oddly enough found some beauty in them. Whether it was the stubborn trees that refused to burn or the half million or so 5 to 15 feet tall Aspen blowing fiercely in the wind and the numerous reinvigorated meadows and cienegas, I found beauty in it all.

Even with the adventure in finding my connector trail, Blanco and I still hit TH by 11:30 in morning.

Final Notes:

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