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Apr 27 2019
johnmc22
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 Joined Sep 02 2003
 Phoenix, AZ
Hell's Hole Trail #284 - Salome WildernessGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Backpack avatar Apr 27 2019
johnmc22
Backpack11.00 Miles 1,724 AEG
Backpack11.00 Miles2 Days         
1,724 ft AEG
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Backpacked into Hell's Hole with some friends. We did the same hike last year and enjoyed it then, so we thought "let's do it again!" Bad call. This year, the overgrowth on the last 1.5 miles of the trail is horrible. We were warned by previous HikeAZ posters to wear long pants and, fortunately, we all did (as you'd end up a bloody mess without them). Even with long pants, the constant pushing through holly bushes with a full pack slows you down considerably and saps your energy on a warm, sunny day. It took 1.5-2 hot, sweaty hours for us to cover the last 1.5 miles.

One other important note. About 3-3.5 miles from the trailhead, you'll reach a mesa with a few flat campsites and lots of juniper trees. That would make a lovely destination if you don't mind dry camping (as there is no water up there). 1/2 mile beyond that, as the trail starts its long descent into Hell's Hole canyon, there is a FALSE TRAIL heading off to the left of the main trail. Look for it and do NOT take it! It looks so much like a real trail that nearly everyone hiking that day (in our group and others) mistakenly took it. For the first 50-100 feet it looks more like a real trail than the real trail. Then, it has several slippery drop offs that, if taken, will drop you down into an 'off trail' area, making it very difficult to make your way back up after you realize you are lost. On our way out, we loaded up some sticks, logs and rocks to make it much more clear for future hikers.

While all that sounds pretty bad, there were some highlights to this trip. We did locate the small waterfall that HikeAZ user 'ALMAL' noted in a previous TripLog and it is still flowing lightly and absolutely gorgeous. We were also lucky enough to get a campsite down at the river on a Saturday night. There are 3 sites down there and, if they're all full, then you'll have to hike 1000 vertical feet back up to camp on the mesa (WITH all the water you'll need for the night). Ugggh.

Another note: Several guidebooks (like Arizona Highways) show a photo of a gorgeous watering hole and waterfall with an implication that that's what you'll see when you get to the campsites. It's not. To get to that photo spot (near the confluence of the Workman and Salome Creeks), it's a rough bushwhack and rock scramble for an additional 1.2 miles past the campsites. We explored in that direction for a distance where we had to climb up to the top of a rock shelf (on the left side of the creek) to make headway. We didn't make it to the confluence but we estimated it would take at least 1 hour each way (beyond the campsites).

There are two water sources on this trail as it crosses/encounters the Workman Creek at the 2 mile mark and again at the campsites. Both times we visited were in April and the creek was running well both times. Seems to be year-round, but I don't want to make that claim since I've never been there summer/fall.

Overall, this trip had some pretty significant highs and lows. We definitely wouldn't do it again until there is some trail maintenance. It doesn't seem like that will be anytime soon.
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Feb 10 2018
johnmc22
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 Joined Sep 02 2003
 Phoenix, AZ
Canyon Lake to Second Water Canyon Backpack, AZ 
Canyon Lake to Second Water Canyon Backpack, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Feb 10 2018
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Backpack7.30 Miles 1,500 AEG
Backpack7.30 Miles
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A few of us did an overnight backpack trip in the Supes in early February 2018. Our route took us from the Canyon Lake Trailhead, south on Boulder Canyon Trail to Second Water Trail (about 4 miles). We then headed west of Second Water Trail, camping near the spot where the pools of water cross the Second Water Trail.

Since the Arizona winter had been quite dry up until this point, we weren't certain of water sources. A brief Water Report review on Hike AZ just before the hike noted that Second Water Canyon had just a trickle of algae-laden slime, so we decided to carry all water needed. That made for an arduous task on day 1, coming up the incline from Canyon Lake and back down again into La Barge Canyon. We settled into camp along Second Water Canyon. In actual fact, the water source there could have been used to pump (although it was admittedly pretty gross), but we found a better source by scrambling (without packs) up Second Water Canyon to the true Second Water Spring. The water at the headwaters of Second Water Spring was actually pretty clear. See my photos for pics.

Overall, a nice overnighter in the Supes. Hiking out was a joy with only a few liters of water to carry.
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Second Water Spring Tugboat

dry Boulder Creek at #103 / #236 Jct Dry Dry
Not a drop in Boulder Creek.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Second Water Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
There are several pools where Second Water Trail crosses Second Water Canyon (1/4 mile west of Boulder Canyon Trail junction). There is about a 100 yard stretch of pools starting at the Second Water Trail crossing and heading down stream from there. Some are pretty sketchy with thick layers of algae on top. Some are fairly deep. None of them looked particularly pristine, but we were surprised with the amount of water there, even after this long period with no rain.

This report is for the unnamed spring located where Second Water Canyon crosses the Second Water Trail. There is a cleaner water source up Second Water Canyon if you are willing to hike off-trail 1/3 mile to Second Water Spring (see Second Water Spring Water Report).

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Second Water Spring Dripping Dripping
Plenty of water to filter from. Not much flow, so I'd have to rate it as "dripping" but there is about 100 yard stretch that has many pools of water, some fairly deep. Some are yellowish and covered in algae, but others are clear and OK for filtering. We hiked all the way up the canyon to the spot of the actual spring. Water was very clear at that spot with a small pool about 4 inches deep (33° 29.6482' N, 111° 24.6130' W)

Note that this Water Report is for the actual Second Water Spring up canyon about 1/3 mile from Second Water Trail. It takes some off trail work to get there. There is a second unnamed spring where Second Water Trail crosses Second Water Canyon. See the "Second Water Canyon" Water Report for an update on that one.
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Mar 31 2012
johnmc22
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 Joined Sep 02 2003
 Phoenix, AZ
Reavis Ranch via 109 SouthGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Backpack avatar Mar 31 2012
johnmc22
Backpack13.60 Miles 2,350 AEG
Backpack13.60 Miles   27 Hrs      1.94 mph
2,350 ft AEG   20 Hrs    Break30 LBS Pack
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Wow, I didn't even realize there was terrain like this in the Supers. Once you pass the saddle, it will seem more like you're hiking in Oak Creek Canyon than the Supes. Fantastic hike! One of the best overnight backpacks we've done in AZ (not including the Canyon, of course).

We started out from Phoenix at 5:45am on Saturday. There were 6 of us in two vehicles, so we rendezvous'd at the Chevron station right off the 60 at Goldfield Rd. Excellent opportunity to pick up those last minute Slim Jims for the hike. We arrived at Rogers Trough TH at 7:50 after 50 minutes or so along the dirt road. We had two 4WD vehicles and could have probably gotten by without the 4WD, but the high clearance was a must. The access road is long and rough.

Temps in Phoenix this day topped out at 94, but the highest we experienced was a pleasant 80 degrees in mid-afternoon at Reavis Ranch. It's roughly 3.5 miles to the top of Reavis Saddle (after a 1000' climb) and another 3.5 miles to Reavis Ranch, give or take. Elevation starts at around 4800, drops to 4400-ish, climbs to 5200 and then returns to around 5K... again, give or take. The good news is you never drop below around 4350, so this is a great hike when it's too hot to comfortably hike the western Supes (Peralta TH and the like).

We covered the first 3.5 miles and the 1000' climb up to Reavis Saddle in around 2 hours. There's a nice log bench up there at the saddle to rest after the climb. As we rested, we decided that we just had to verify one of the nearby springs for Hike AZ. We chose Reavis Saddle Spring, since it was the closest one to the trail and there were no reports (yet) on Hike AZ. We exited the west side of the trail and GPS-tracked to the site of the spring. We scouted the area and found something that seemed like it could have once been a spring, but it was dry. About 100 feet away, there was a drainage that had water pooling in it, so we thought that might be the spring but, upon closer inspection, it appeared to be just plain ol' pooling. Which is to say that, at the present time, the Reavis Saddle Spring appears to be dry. Just to be clear, there was plenty of water to be had on this hike since it rained/snowed pretty heavily 2 weeks back. Water was never a problem as there was pooling along the entire length of the trail with the one exception being along the 1000' climb (too steep... no where to pool). But, the spring itself seems to be dry.

Back on the trail, the stretch from Reavis Saddle to Reavis Ranch is fantastic. A mixture of Ponderosa Pine, Alligator Juniper and Manzanita make for a pleasant 3.5 miles, even on a warm day. It's mostly in the shade the entire stretch. The stretch took us another 2 hours, but mostly because we were in no big hurry.

We arrived at Reavis Ranch at around 12:30, procured a campsite under a big shade tree and explored the ranch. The Reavis Stream is flowing nicely and we had a little access trail from our camp down to the creek to fill our Katadyn Basecamp gravity-fed filter (a fantastic investment if you're sick of pumping water while in camp). We talked about heading to Circlestone, but we were all feeling lazy, so we just hung around camp all afternoon. There were a few other groups at Reavis, but not too many and the campsites are spread out over a fairly large area so it never felt crowded.

It got down to around 32 that night, so it was a little chillier than expected but still manageable. The next morning, we hit the trail at 8:15am, headed back the same way we came. We ran into a fun guy at the saddle who was hiking the length of the Arizona Trail. He had some great stories as we killed a good 15-20 minutes sitting on the bench at the saddle listening to his adventures. Even with that lengthy rest stop, we were still back at the TH by 11:45, so the total time on the way out was 3.5 hours.

Overall, a great trip, especially that stretch between Reavis Saddle and the Ranch. It's well worth the painful 50 minutes on the dirt road to get there.
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Reavis Saddle Spring

dry Reavis Saddle Spring Dry Dry
We GPS-tracked to the site of this spring off the west side of the Reavis Ranch trail. We scouted the area within 50 feet of the GPS coordinates and found something that seemed like it could have once been a spring, but it was dry. About 100 feet away, there was a drainage that did have some water pooling in it (on 3/31/12), but it was just pooling, not a spring.
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Feb 18 2012
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Dripping Springs Super LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Backpack avatar Feb 18 2012
johnmc22
Backpack19.00 Miles 3,200 AEG
Backpack19.00 Miles   33 Hrs   30 Mns   0.57 mph
3,200 ft AEG30 LBS Pack
 
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Wow, what a trip!... and I mean that in more ways than one. We set out on a perfect Saturday morning to do a 2 day (1 night) backpack around the Dripping Springs Super Loop (or, the Coffee Flat Loop, depending on your chosen terminology... same loop, different name). Our plan was to navigate the "Super Loop" clockwise rather than counter-clockwise as others have reported. We intended to camp near the intersection of the Red Tanks and Hoolie Bacon trails, covering about 8 miles the first day and 11 miles the second.

Everything was going to plan as 5 of us departed the Peralta Trailhead at 7am on Saturday. We made great time across the flats on Dutchman's Trail and up the climb past Miners Needle. We arrived at Whiskey Spring at around 10:15am where we found the usual pools of water, plenty deep for pumping. One pool was even deep enough to submerge and fill our Katadyn, gravity-fed, hanging water filter, so that made the refill operation go that much quicker (no pumping... just watching the water fill our bottles while we enjoyed an early lunch... ahh, sweet luxury). Water availability near our selected camp spot for the evening was not a certainty, so we each tanked up with 6 liters of water per person (ouch!). We departed Whiskey Spring at around 11am and intersected the Red Tanks Trail shortly thereafter. There were plenty of pools of water near the Whiskey/Red Tanks Junction, but we didn't need any at this point. As we headed up the Upper LaBarge Box, we were feeling the pain of all the weight of the extra water, but we persevered to the top. There's a fabulous display of Poppies in Upper LaBarge right now, not to mention other wildflowers. We were whipped by the time we reached the top of "the box", but we quickly found an awesome campsite along the Red Tanks Trail about 300 yards east of the Hoolie Bacon junction.

We had a mission on this trip... find and record the existence (or non-existence) of the famed "LaBarge Spring Number Two". It's on all the maps, yet there's never been a single report on the Spring Flow Reports within HikeAZ. So, as a late-afternoon project, we set out to find why it has never been reported. And... wow... did we ever find out. The good news... there IS a thriving spring at the exact GPS coordinates listed on HikeAZ for LaBarge Spring #2. Bad news: it is almost impossible to get to due to a massive growth of cat claw along the 500 or so feet between the nearest access (Upper LaBarge Wash) and the actual spring. There is no trail whatsoever leading to the spring, so your only access is a small dry wash that connects to LaBarge Wash. If you're on the Red Tanks Trail coming from the Hoolie Bacon junction, you enter LaBarge Wash at the first trail crossing and rock hop about 1/4 mile (give or take) to a smaller rocky "tributary" that heads off to the right (south). Then, you fight the cat claw ~500 feet to the spring. The idea is simple but, the execution... that's another story. Unless you happen to have a machete handy, you will literally end up crawling on your hands and knees at times along the rocky wash to get under, over, around and through thick fields of cat claw and holly. If this spring is your only hope as a water source in the area, then you should pack in some tools and some special clothing to attack the cat claw head on. Some kind of kevlar suit, maybe. :?

When we successfully made it to the spring on this mid-February day, 2012, we found several nice pools of water, much like Whiskey Spring. We couldn't tell what the flow rate was, but it is a very localized spring spanning about 20 feet along an otherwise dry wash. The spring source itself is under the pools, and I would guess it's only "dripping," but there were about 3 pools that were plenty deep enough to pump water out of. Even though we didn't need the water, we brought a pump and a bottle anyway because we weren't going to make all that effort for nothing. And, boy, let me tell you... that bottle we pumped was the most incredible tasting water ever. The sweet taste of victory! ;)

Back at the campsite, the evening was nice and cool and the stars, magnificent. So, here's where things got really interesting. It got cold overnight... I mean, REALLY cold. We had a cheapie thermometer that read 18 degrees at one point! We're not sure if it was 100% accurate, but, by morning, there was ice on the tents, frost everywhere, and chunks of ice in our water bottles, so it was definitely well below freezing. Of course, we weren't planning for an 18 degree night... we had thought it would be more like 32 degrees, so we were caught a little off guard, gear-wise. None the less, the only real damage was an extra late start to our hike on Sunday morning since we couldn't even get out of our tents until around 7am for fear of hypothermia.

We shivered through a quick breakfast and coffee and quickly recovered as the sun finally came up over the mountain. Our gear was covered in frost which quickly turned to water, so we ended up carrying some damp gear the rest of the trip. We hit the trail at 9:00am and headed down Red Tanks toward Dripping Springs. As many have reported, there are extensive sections of this trail that are overgrown with brush (some of it the dreaded cat claw). Sure, we could argue that, perhaps, last years brush was worse than this years, but it is brushy none the less for much of the way between Red Tanks Divide and Dripping Springs. We didn't have much trouble following the trail, although there were a few sections where it was awfully faint and you had to stop and confirm you were actually on a trail. Bottom line: With a full pack, this section of trail (to Dripping Springs) is slow-going and it took us nearly 3 hours to negotiate the 4.5 miles.

While we didn't actually witness the "Dripping Spring" itself, the Dripping Springs area is loaded with water right now. Many large pools and a moderate flow rate in the stream itself. We tanked up with water one last time as we knew this would be the last reliable water before we returned to the Peralta trailhead. We headed west for the long stretch past Reeds Water (no water), Dutchman's junction and, ultimately, back to the Peralta Trailhead. It was 4:30 by the time we reached our cars. Fortunately, the weather during the hike was cool and dry, so no complaints there. This would definitely be a long slog on a hot day.

So, there it is. We each climbed Upper LaBarge with 13 lbs of extra water, we gave up precious blood to "bag" a a previously unreported spring, and we endured a bitter cold night to "test our gear" (it failed). Overall... a great trip.

Here's some pics:
http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=1456217&code=4d97d86148797a36ffc72b4e7df56f33
Named place
Named place
Labarge Spring Number Two
wildflower observationwildflower observationwildflower observationwildflower observationwildflower observation
Wildflowers Observation Moderate

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Dripping Spring Dripping Dripping
While we didn't actually witness Dripping Spring itself (and it is probably just dripping, as usual), the Dripping Springs area is loaded with water right now. Many large pools and a moderate flow rate in the stream itself. There was no problem with water availability on 2/19/2012.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Labarge Spring Number Two Dripping Dripping
The good news... there IS a thriving spring at the exact GPS coordinates listed on HikeAZ for LaBarge Spring #2. Bad news: it is almost impossible to get to due to a massive growth of cat claw along the 500 or so feet between the nearest access (Upper LaBarge Wash) and the actual spring. There is no trail whatsoever leading to the spring, so your only access is a small dry wash that connects to LaBarge Wash. If you're on the Red Tanks Trail coming from the Hoolie Bacon junction, you enter LaBarge Wash at the first trail crossing and the rock hop "upstream" about 1/4 mile (give or take) to a smaller rocky "tributary" that heads off to the right (south). Then, you fight the cat claw ~500 feet to the spring. The idea is simple but, the execution... that's another story. Unless you happen to have a machete handy, you will literally end up crawling on your hands and knees along the rocky wash to get under, over, around and through thick fields of cat claw and holly. If this spring is your only hope as a water source in the area, then you should pack in some tools and some special clothing to attack the cat claw head on. Some kind of kevlar suit, maybe. :?

On 2/18/2012, we found several nice pools of water, much like Whiskey Spring. We couldn't tell what the flow rate was, but it is a very localized spring spanning about 20 feet along an otherwise dry wash. The spring itself is under the pools, but I would guess it's only dripping, but there were about 3 pools that were plenty deep enough to pump water out of.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Whiskey Spring Dripping Dripping
While I am only reporting this spring to be "Dripping", that doesn't tell the whole story as there are several pools of water, plenty deep for pumping. There's about a 40 foot stretch of stream bed that contains the spring and pools. The water generally doesn't flow much beyond that 40 foot section and the spring comes up under the pools, so it's hard to say what the flow rate is. It's irrelevant, really, as there is plenty to be had as of 2/18/2012.
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