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Bull Pass Trail #129 - 34 members in 182 triplogs have rated this an average 3.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Feb 10 2026
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 Ahwatukee, AZ
Marsh Valley LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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LindaAnnTriplogs 2,793
Hiking17.29 Miles 2,695 AEG
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Supes day today. We got started from First Water around 0715. Warmish temps to start, but some high clouds. Took Dutchman to Bull Pass, then Bull Pass up to Black Top Mesa. The moments of shade were nice. Nice break atop the mesa, with a good breeze.

Continued east on Bull Pass, a moment on Dutchman again, then north on Cavalry. The east half of Cavalry could use some work. The trail is vague and brushy in spots. At one point, Kelly was leading, and she stopped abruptly and said “cameras.” We obeyed immediately and got some nice pics of a Gila monster on the trail. He looked a bit underfed. Lunch break in some shade, then the western half of Cavalry was in better shape. I wished the breeze had stuck around. Saw two sort of lost hikers. We provided no helpful information.

North on Boulder Canyon. West on Second Water to finish the loop. I never like the rocky sections of Second Water. Saw five backpackers. Overall, a very quiet day. Great hike and company. Fun day.
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Plenty of flowers.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Boulder Creek at #103 / #236 Jct Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Plenty of water in Boulder Creek
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Marsh Valley LoopPhoenix, AZ
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trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,843
Hiking17.19 Miles 2,610 AEG
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met up with linda and bruce around 0715 at first water
the initial objective was black top mesa, then to be determined
dutchman, bull pass and up the well defined use trail to btm
such a great spot with 360 views of the superstitions and some inscriptions to hunt for
we took a break here just enjoying the surroundings
back down to bull pass, we decided to complete the marsh valley loop
nice to see things from the opposite direction
cavalry trail is kind of a mess from fire and flooding
we spotted a gila monster on the trail
took a lunch break along the way
dropped into boulder canyon and finished up on second water
nothing like a big uphill at the end of a long day
good combo of a classic loop and a high point
thanks for inviting me! always good to hike with linda and bruce :)
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 Tucson, AZ
Black Top Mesa from Peralta, AZ 
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fricknaleyTriplogs 4,265
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great loop. beautiful day. did not see anyone after peralta saddle. nice and green.
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Garden Valley LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking17.73 Miles 2,620 AEG
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It had been eight years since I’d been up on Black Top Mesa, so it was definitely time for a return trip. We had a couple of loop options in mind and decided on the Marsh Valley loop after descending from the Mesa. The temperatures were pleasant throughout the day, with filtered clouds fending off the sun's stronger rays for the majority of our hike.

Dutchman Trail #104
This section of the Dutchman has never been a favorite of mine, but with all the greenery and flowers, it was actually quite nice. Passing East Boulder Canyon, you get some great views of Weaver’s Needle.

Bull Pass Trail #129
This climb really gets the heart beating! It’s short and feels like more than a 300-foot climb, but you get a bit of a break once you reach the Bull Pass Saddle.

Black Top Mesa
It’s another 600-foot gain to the top at the south end of Black Top Mesa. We checked out the petroglyphs and other assorted carvings. The views from this spot are easily some of the best in the Supes. After taking a break and enjoying the breeze, we headed down. The path across the mesa is much more defined now than it was on my last trip.

Cavalry Trail #239
We started seeing water along the Cavalry Trail, along with more evidence of previous fires. You need to pay attention along here, as the trail gets thin in spots.

Boulder Canyon Trail #103
More burn area along here, but the geology in the colored cliff bands is beautiful. We had lunch in one of the few shady spots available. As we continued, views of The Battleship’s stern came into sight.

Second Water Trail #236
This was our last "earnest" climb of the day. We also encountered our first fellow hikers here; most were backpackers on their way into the wilderness.

It was great to get back out to the Supes and hike with Kelly and Linda again.
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Poppies, Blue Richards, Owl Clover, Brittlebush, Indian Paintbrush, Fairy Duster and stinkweed to name just a few. They were substantial in pockets.

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Boulder Creek at #103 / #236 Jct Light flow Light flow


water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Second Water Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Did not check out the spring, but it's thick, green and moist in the canyon.

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Black Top MesaPhoenix, AZ
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Got a crazy early pre-6am start because Andy is headed to the Phillipines the next day, so the first 2.5 miles were hiked in the dark. Just as well, I've done the Black Mesa loop enough times I can do it with my eyes closed as it is. Headed out on LDT, then up to Black Top Mesa. Lots of green out like everywhere. I concur with Andy's description of Green Top Mesa.

Andy and Wally took a detour to the west end of the mesa to look for the lesser known sunburst with the word "oro" under it. They couldn't find it so they headed over to the east end, where I had already arrived. They found the broken sunburst and I found The End. Wally and Andy pointed out the other petroglyph on the back of the broken sunburst, which I don't remember from my previous trip up there, 13 years earlier. Pictures were taken.

On the way down Wally and Andy went back to the east of the mesa find the other petroglyphs/century old graffiti and were successful on the second try. I headed back down and back to the parking lot. On the way down the Bull Pass Trail, a big group was headed up and to where we just left. In the midst of them was @ScottHika. I talked with him a bit and he was gone, trying to catch up with his group. Wally later told me that this group was led by @John10s. Everyone in that group was moving uphill faster than I was downhill.

Wally caught up with me towards the bottom of Bull Pass and we stopped and had lunch once we were on the Black Mesa Trail, at which point Andy was already catching us. the hike back from there was uneventful. Made my usual stop at the Indian ruins in Garden Valley and saw the rock where everyone puts more pottery sherds. No hikers at all on Black Mesa Trail, and then lots of traffic on First Water, as usual.

This area has healed up quite a bit from the fire in '24. Very green and a lot less of the charred vegetation is visible, but it's still there. Weather was absolutely perfect. May have been about 70 once we finished. Chilly to start, but sunny and clear all day.
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Yellow Peak - Black Top Mesa - Peak 3097, AZ 
Yellow Peak - Black Top Mesa - Peak 3097, AZ
 
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I joined a MeetUp group that was going to hit three peaks (more like a peak and two mesas) in the western Superstitions, starting from First Water Trailhead. We set out with a group of 11 at ~7:20AM and took Second Water to Black Mesa Trail, then SE toward Yellow Peak. I hadn't been up there in a few years, and it was a short but steep approach to the summit, with even better views than I remembered.

After a few minutes regrouping at the top, we dropped back down to Black Mesa Trail and continued south toward Black Top Mesa. Going up, we passed @wallyfrack, @DarthStiller and his Steelers attire, and @adilling on their way down. Up on top, the group gathered around the sunburst and enjoyed the views and a snack break before heading back down for stop number three.

We hiked north on Black Mesa Trail back toward Yellow Peak, then left the trail and hiked up the grassy meadow to the southwest toward Peak 3097. The grade wasn't bad at all, though there were lots of rocks hidden in the tall grass. I hadn't been to 3097 before and wasn't sure what to expect for views from the mesa, but it was surprisingly nice--lots of healthy saguaros up there, and that spot is perched on a cliff edge overlooking Parker Pass and has great views of Weaver's Needle, Yellow Peak, Malapais, and the Goldfields.

We finished off the hike on Black Mesa/Second Water Trails again and were done a little after 2PM. Didn't see any interesting wildlife (as expected with a group that large), and though we didn't encounter much water, it was very green out there, with plenty of flowers blooming. Beautiful day to be outside--very warm for January, with temps pushing 80°. And nice to see @ScottHika again and meet some new people!
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Black Top MesaPhoenix, AZ
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LindaAnnTriplogs 2,793
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Chris was in town while traveling between CA and NM, so we made plans to hike today. Got started from First Water around 0730. East on Second Water, then south across Black Mesa.

Ran into an acquaintance (Shea) as we got onto Dutchman. Chatted for a moment, then continued in opposite directions. Headed up Bull Pass, which has seen some erosion, then up Black Top Mesa. Humid on the climb. Took a break at the top, then headed back down. Took Dutchman all the way back to the trailhead. The clouds for the final few miles were nice.

Lots of green out there. Great to see Chris again!
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Double Black Mesa Figure Eight, AZ 
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First hike of the year and first time back in the Superstitions since last spring. We started from First Water TH ~8AM, with quite a few vehicles already there, but the trails didn’t seem too busy. We stayed on Dutchman headed for Black Top Mesa, and water was hit or miss along the way--some crossings and drainages had small pools or a light flow; others were completely dry. But everything was greener and more overgrown with grasses than my last trip to the Supes, and wildflowers were blooming nicely.

We took Bull Pass Trail around the north side of Black Top and looped back around on Dutchman. The sky clouded over and remained mostly cloudy the rest of the day, so the lighting wasn't the best for pictures, but the stretch between Black Top Mesa and Palomino Mountain is always colorful and scenic. We stopped for a break along the drainage, then completed the loop and took Black Mesa Trail back toward First Water to make it a figure-eight and avoid repeating trails on the way out.

We saw a total of ~15-20 people on the trails over the course of the day by the time we finished. These were all familiar trails and locations, but it was a nice medium-length hike and good to get back out in the Superstitions.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bluff Spring Mountain Canyon Light flow Light flow
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Medium pool and light flow along the trail west of the water marking

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max East Boulder - Weavers Viewpoint Light flow Light flow
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dry First Water Creek - Upper Turnoff Dry Dry
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Charlebois from First Water THPhoenix, AZ
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With the influx of rain, I wanted to get out in the Supes. Thought about waterfall hunting, but opted to avoid the crowds who undoubtedly had similar plans. Based on my observations, I don't think there was enough water as of Saturday to get much sustained waterfall action (though there might be now, as I'm writing this up).

Arrived at First Water TH a bit before 6:30 in the rain. Crossed several running washes along the way. From the get-go, it was just me, and I had total solitude for the next 16 miles.

I hadn't done any extensive hiking in this area since the last fire, and it was depressing to hike through mile after mile of pretty thoroughly charred wilderness. :( Evidence of the char continued all the way until about a mile from Charlebois.

I had been up to Bull Pass before, but hadn't descended the east side, nor hit the Black Top Mesa summit. The summit is a real gem, with fantastic views all around. There is a nice flat spot for a camp on the southern tip which would make for a great viewing location at sunset/sunrise, with Weaver's on display. After returning, I read about some Spanish hieroglyphs, but didn't know to look for them. Another time.

On my way down from Black Top Mesa, I was treated to a lovely rainbow off to the north. Definitely the visual highlight of the day.

Descending from Bull Pass, I clipped through the upper end of Needles Canyon, where I'd been previously after some solid rain. As with other washes, it wasn't really running, but there were lots of pools.

I continued on to rejoin the Dutchman trail. Originally, my plan was to loop back north along the Cavalry trail, which I haven't done before, but the draw of getting the Charlebois Spring and covering that section of Dutchman proved to strong, and I ended up heading that direction.

It was nice to be out of the burn area, and the sporadic cottonwoods along the creekbed stand testament to the stronger water sources in the area.

Charlebois, as always, is a lovely oasis in the Supes. No one camping there, and I again made a mental note of my desire to do so one of these days.

By that point, I was 10 miles in and realized I needed to hightail it back, as I had to pick up my wife from the airport by 3 pm. So, I turned on the jets and abandoned any thought of the Cavalry loop on the return, and instead opted to follow Dutchman proper from the eastern Bull Pass junction.

The trail through this section of Dutchman was brushy, and with the rain, ended up soaking me thoroughly. No matter. It wasn't cold and I just embraced the wet. This section also avoided the fire scar.

Saw a snake in a tree (looked like a garter) and several small orange frogs, but didn't have time to get my phone out--and with everything wet, I probably couldn't get it to respond to my swiping anyway.

The final several miles from the Black Mesa Junction back to FW were a grind. In the last couple of miles, I finally saw signs of life with one single hiker and a couple out for an afternoon jaunt in the Parker Saddle area.

Back to my car, I headed back towards Mesa just in time to get my wife's text that she had landed. Headed straight to the airport and arrived just as she was exiting the terminal. Perfect timing!
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Marsh Valley LoopPhoenix, AZ
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DarthStillerTriplogs 897
Hiking15.28 Miles 1,870 AEG
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I told Wally I would meet him at First Water TH. When I left 10 min earlier than I expected, I texted him and told him I would start without him if I got there first. At the end of Brown/Lost Dutchman Road before 88, I saw him speeding by on 88. I figured I might catch him on First Water Road, but he was even faster there. Looks like he can drive fast when he wants to :lol: .

did the loop counter clockwise heading out on Second Water Trail first. I kicked out a javelina on the descent into Boulder Canyon. It was a little startling as it remained still until I was about 6 feet away and then it bolted across the trail right in front of me. It made it up the the hill in what looked effortless, across all the loose volcanic rock.

Wally pointed out some interesting spots he knew about on the way down to Boulder Canyon, which was cool to learn about. Boulder Canyon was nothing major and then we headed up Calvary Trail. On the east side Wally pointed out where he discovered ruins on previous expeditions, and I got zoomed in pics the best I could.

On the LDT to Bull Pass we saw 2 deer, I got a few nice shots. Bull Pass was a bit of a slog and then downhill wasn't worse, but was slower with steep grades and loose rock.

Finished in 7.5 hours, with no lunch break. I didn't feel too beat but navigating over the rocky trails on the last mile was a bit more of an effort than usual. Saw 5 hikers total all day. It was little warm at the end but still not too hot to make this harder than it would normally be.
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The real heat hasn't started just yet but when Chris mentioned Marsh Valley Loop I was thinking of a plan B if it got too hot. We started early and is was still nice and cool. There was even shade in Boulder Canyon for much of the way so I knew it would be good to finish the entire hike.

There was one hiker that hiked Battleship. Het passed us on the way in but I got back to the trailhead about 6 minutes before him. He said he spent a lot of time trail finding.

The trails were easy to follow. The burned out sections of Cavalry trail were open for the most part but there was some downed brush to hike around. It didn't really warm up until we hit Dutchman trail.

We saw fuana on this trip. A javelina, two deer, a rat, squirrels, a hawk and the circling vultures.
I rested a few times in the shade but once the shade disappeared I kept moving. Not a lot of hikers out but it was a nice day. I still had water left at the end. It was still frozen or I would have drank it.
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Was eyeing a Meetup for Marsh Valley Loop. However, the numbers scared peeps away and the event was cancelled. I was then able to convince 2 friends to do this plus the high point. 😎

Met 1 not far from me at 7. Start hike at 8:30. So we did the Black Top Mesa outing. There is no sign for Bull Pass and is a bit out of the way to find. This is where it gets steep & rocky. The use trail from there has cairns along the path. Was surprised to see 1 other hiker descending from the high point.

Instead of going back the way we came, we looped it. Props to @trekkin_gecko as his triplog inspired this outing. Much of this route is chill but at the end u have to climb back out 2nd Water. 🫤
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went out on peralta, then up and around black top mesa and back on terrapin and bluff springs. the entirety of bull pass is burnt as is most of the summit of black top mesa.

fantastic scenery the whole way. had great weather. didn't see anyone from fremont saddle until the parking lot. :)
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Black Mesa Loop - Superstition MtnsPhoenix, AZ
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DarthStillerTriplogs 897
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I decided to make a trip to the Supes while the water is still there. At first I thought it was already gone because when I crossed First Water Creek along the Second Water Trail, it was dry there. But as you get deeper in, the streams are still running.

Started out with the Black Mesa loop, but this time I did it clockwise, taking the Black Mesa Trail first and heading east. To my memory, this was the first time i've ever hiked the Black Mesa Trail in that direction.

Once i got to the junction with the Dutchman, I headed further east on that and then took the Bull Pass Trail up, then took the Lost Black Mesa Trail further east until it hit the Dutchman Trail again. The Lost Black Mesa Trail is now very faint and overgrown in several spots. I hiked this once 11 years ago and I don't remember it being this bad. It's not a total bushwhack yet, but it's getting there. It was rather slow going along this spot of the hike.

From the Dutchman Trail, I headed north and then headed back on the Bull Pass Trail. Saw a backpacker taking a break at that junction, first hiker I saw for the day. Once I got back to the east end of the Black Mesa Loop, I took a lunch break. 2 horse riders went by. When they saw me, the first guy said, "We're on the right trail". then 10 minutes later they were doubling back asking how to get to the Black Mesa Trail. Turns out they were on the wrong trail. :doh:

Most of the foot traffic was on the way back on the Dutchman Trail. The first hikers I saw were an old couple, also asking about how to get to the Black Mesa Trail. they had accents and when they spoke to one another it was in a Slavic language. I asked if they were Serbs. They were Polish. I'm half Polish so we talked a bit about that. 5 min after we left I forgot the only phrase I know in Polish that means "how are you". This is the 2nd time this has happened to me while hiking, I need to work on that.

The last bit along the Dutchman Trail was a bit of a slog at the end. my minutes per mile was getting longer, but I felt like I was still moving pretty good. I looked at my GPS tracks and I did this same hike basically 11 years ago, but I added the summit to Black Top Mesa, which I couldn't imagine doing today for one hike. The Lost Black Top Mesa Trail was in better shape, but I was a decade younger too, so there's that.

A little chilly to start but it never got hot. Perfect weather, which will be gone soon enough until late October.
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Added bonus of a great motorcycle ride of the Apache Trail on a perfect weather, not too busy afternoon. One of the recent forums (can't find exact link), there was a debate about biking SR 88. On a weekday, this just might work between these two trailheads, but below Tortilla Flat to the marina would be iffy. Aren't some of those snowbirds drinking alcohol with their meals? :-k
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My intention on this hike was to hike to Peak 2900, which is a bit northwest of Marsh Valley. From the First Water TH, my plan was to take the Dutchman Trail to the Bull Pass Trail to the Dutchman Trail (again) to the Cavalry Trail. After hiking north on the Cavalry Trail for a bit I would then go off-trail to the west to the peak.
However, I got a late start and several sections of the Dutchman Trail and Bull Pass Trail were in terrible shape, which slowed me down. By the time I was ready to start going off-trail up to the peak, it was later than i wanted so I decided to cut my losses and head back.

So this wound up being an out-and-back hike on some heavily eroded sections of trail. At times it was more like hiking in a ditch instead of a trail, and there were sections with lots of loose, rubbly rock.

The trails were in such poor shape that I didn't care for this hike very much. I think that I will use my time and energy for something other than hiking up to Peak 2900.
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Jan 06 2024
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 Joined Mar 09 2012
 Gilbert, AZ
Black Top Mesa Loop, AZ 
Black Top Mesa Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 06 2024
rayhustonTriplogs 988
Hiking12.21 Miles 2,214 AEG
Hiking12.21 Miles   5 Hrs   21 Mns   2.55 mph
2,214 ft AEG      34 Mns Break
 
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Hike to Black Top Mesa incorporating the Black Mesa Loop in a clockwise direction. Passed Wally just after leaving the trailhead. That’s twice in a week! :y:

1145 start. Slept in. Got caught up in a good book before getting off my duff and and out to the trailhead. That probably worked out better, though; it was chilly and a bit hazy this morning. It was gorgeous in the afternoon.

Pressed for time, I didn’t take a break until Bull Pass. I debated turning around there, but decided I could get to the top and finish before darkness set in. Proceeded up to the top for those special views. Headed over to the SE corner to check out the petroglyphs, but the light wasn’t right. I couldn’t see anything. Returned to Bull Pass and took a second break for a very late lunch before returning to the trailhead on Dutchman.

Finished a few minutes after five and was rewarded with a spectacular sunset on the drive home. Great day on the trails on a gorgeous afternoon.
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Nov 24 2023
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 Arizona
First Water TH to Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 24 2023
pseudalpineTriplogs 1,543
Hiking23.81 Miles 4,236 AEG
Hiking23.81 Miles   8 Hrs   52 Mns   2.81 mph
4,236 ft AEG      23 Mns Break
 
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Completed as a hybrid loopy out and back integrating the Peralta Trail circus, two obscure and somewhat lame bypass routes (regular trails are better) and a neat razor ridgeline traverse to a peak. It probably would have been an honor to hike with syoung when he was with us, but requiescat in pace good sir!

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Mar 11 2023
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 Phoenix, AZ
Cavalry - Boulder lollipop, AZ 
Cavalry - Boulder lollipop, AZ
 
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ShatteredArmTriplogs 361
Run/Jog17.20 Miles 2,110 AEG
Run/Jog17.20 Miles   5 Hrs   30 Mns   16 Secs3.39 mph
2,110 ft AEG      26 Mns Break
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Decided to head back out into the Supes to take advantage of decent weather and lots of water. Started out on Dutchman. All the creeks are flowing. Headed up and over Bull Pass, which I've only been over once; had to get the feet wet at the Needle Canyon crossing. Would like to take Needle down to Boulder sometime...

North on Cavalry through Marsh Valley; saw some horse campers and lots of backpackers heading in. Took a break at Boulder; saw a couple of runners which provided some motivation to pick up the pace a little.

Rest of the way was a little uneventful, although we did see a gila monster on Dutchman.
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Feb 15 2023
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 Ahwatukee, AZ
Marsh Valley LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking avatar Feb 15 2023
LindaAnnTriplogs 2,793
Hiking17.23 Miles 2,602 AEG
Hiking17.23 Miles   8 Hrs   16 Mns   2.42 mph
2,602 ft AEG   1 Hour   8 Mns Break
 
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Got started a little later than planned, around 0900. Muddy, with lots of water flowing, and snow just above. Headed east on Second Water Trail, and by the time I turned onto Black Mesa Trail, I was in the snow. Lots of fresh animal tracks. Made my way over to Bull Pass trail then up to Black Top Mesa. Lots of snow up there, making for slower travel on the trail. Great views from the top. Slippery descent, then continued east. Cavalry trail had lots of mud in places. Tons of water crossings on Cavalry and Boulder Canyon. Second Water was muddy. Saw my first hikers of the day near Garden Valley. Temps stayed in the upper 30s—mid 40s all day.
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