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Railroad Grade Trail #601 - 9 members in 19 triplogs have rated this an average 2.6 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Sep 10 2023
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East Fork loop - L Colorado, AZ 
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Run/Jog17.00 Miles 1,870 AEG
Run/Jog17.00 Miles   5 Hrs   57 Mns   3.12 mph
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Last little outing before heading back down to PHX... Main goal was to finally check out East Fork trail. Most of the climbing was in the first mile. Took the detour to Amberon Point, which is quite steep. Trail is a bit messy above the point, but it's actually marked, and conveniently reconnects to East Fork trail. Trail condition was better than expected, and it's pretty pleasant for the most part. Couple parts through the meadows are a little grassy, but with GPS it's clear where to go.

The railroad grade section was not my favorite. Map shows the trail crossing the road directly across from Gabaldon, but didn't see any gate here, and proceeded to the FR. Found what I think might be an aspen bolete.

Gabaldon campground was nice and vacant, proceeded up the connector to East Baldy trail, then back down to Crossover.

On Crossover I got distracted by more mushrooms; collected three porcinis. By the time I got to West Baldy Trail, it was pretty cloudy, and I half expected it to rain (it didn't). Opted to take the creek trail down - found it's easiest to cross over to the south side just past the culvert, then cross back over when the creek bends away from Sheeps Crossing Point.

The trail down West Fork is one of the most idyllic places in Arizona.
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Sep 03 2022
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Government Springs TrailAlpine, AZ
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VashtiTriplogs 276
Hiking11.15 Miles 1,354 AEG
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Parked at Sheeps Crossing and headed down to the water. The trail was relatively easy to follow, but rather wet and muddy given all the recent rains. This is a beautiful section of trail very close to the river. Didn't see any people until after the first fish dam waterfall at 2 miles in. The waterfalls are delightful! As is the hike alongside the creek. Past the waterfalls, we started to see more and more people and lots of dogs. The trail was also even more muddy due to heavy traffic. The trail was somewhat rocky between the waterfalls and the Greer trailhead.

From the government Springs TH in Greer, we walked up to the East Fork trailhead and crossed the river which is quite wide at that point. We did manage to rock hop across. The trail then heads up. It is wide and well maintained with lots of signs at junctions. In contrast to 95A which is overrun with people, we saw no one on East Fork. Upon reaching the the top, we jumped one gate as we were unable to open it. The trail continues on flat across the mesa top. When we hit the four wheel drive road, my hiking buddy was pretty much done hiking :(, so we opted to take the 4WD road (as marked on the topo) to shave off some distance as it intersected with the trail later on. There is a game camera strapped to the tree at the Junction of the trail and the 4WD road. We continued on enjoying the solitude and beautiful cool weather. We hit another gate shortly before our intersection back with the east fork trail. We hopped this gate, too, as it was inoperable. We then met with our first set of MANY cows. All the cows are currently on this trail. :(. I don't mind a few cows, but really, the trail from here on out was overrun with them, which was disappointing. :/. On the 4WD road almost back to the trail, We passed a bunch of cows and a mean looking bull, but we walked by without incident. The cows and calves moved out of our way and over towards the bull. I was done walking on the old road, and I was happy to see the trail again. It is nicer on a single track, of course. Sadly, we went a short distance on the trail before coming across a massive amount of cows. About 50 or more. A few too many for me to feel comfortable walking through. :/. They were right in the area where there is a spring. The spring is unnamed on the map, but it is the spring between developed spring and spruce spring. Given the cow infestation, we sadly detoured off the trail again and back to the 4WD road. It was nearly cow free, but every so often, there would be 15 cows or so, in groups. We did see our only people since the government Springs trail head here, 3 mountain bikers on the road. We continued on hoping to jump back on the trail at the next intersection, but it was not to be.

At the next intersection of trail and 4WD, the trail goes down into the meadow. And... Wait for it... Hundreds of cows!! Alas, we decided to not wade through the cattle, and instead continued on the 4WD road towards the Winn Campground. This is not a 4WD road usable to the public, we did pass a gate to keep cars out of the wilderness closer to road to the Winn Campground. Eventually we dumped out on the road (going to Winn CG) and headed out to connect with the railroad trail. The railroad trail was simply a connector between sheeps crossing/95A trail and the east fork trail/97. The railroad trail is very underwhelming. It is mostly right next to the road. One good thing - no more cows, ha!!

Right next to sheeps crossing we cut out two meanders by taking the road back to the car, as my hiking buddy was beyond done at this point. :/

I enjoyed 95A and would do it again despite the mud, rocks, and congestion. East fork I would do again(and stay on the trail the entire time!!) if I could be sure the area wasn't overrun by cattle. The cows really took a lot out of the experience! :(. Oh, well! It is never a bad day when you are out hiking!! The area is beautiful with meadows and forests, and the weather was amazing, if a bit hot on the afternoon (85F!). The railroad connector trail is seriously boring, and I would avoid it in the future!
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Lots of wildflowers still, but starting to wane.
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Railroad Grade Trail #601Alpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
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azbackpackrTriplogs 883
Mtn Biking14.24 Miles 483 AEG
Mtn Biking14.24 Miles   3 Hrs   5 Mns   6.33 mph
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Most of my upcoming posts will be cycling or paddling. I have to let my foot heal, possible stress fracture, metatarsal.

This was a wonderful little bike ride. I didn't go as far as I used to because I had other things on my list to do that day. It was the first time I'd ridden it since 2013. Nice to see it is becoming a single-track trail. The awful cinders that made it a mess to ride 17 years ago are pretty much either packed down or washed away. Local riders still remember the FS putting the cinders in, and have never forgiven them!

However, it will need some maintenance. Also, people should start riding it, to keep it open. Otherwise it is going to just disappear. The Ranger district is not doing any maintenance on it as far as I know. Maybe I should write them a letter.

I saw about 100 elk and 2 pronghorn, a male and a female. See photos.

Due to the recent rains there were a lot of ponds, and Hall Creek was running over the trail. But I was surprised to see Geneva Reservoir and White Mountain Reservoir both dry.
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Apr 05 2015
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Pinetop AZ and Area - April 2015, AZ 
Pinetop AZ and Area - April 2015, AZ
 
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Randal_SchulhauserTriplogs 1,009
Backpack29.32 Miles 2,120 AEG
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Pinetop AZ and Area - April 2015

197 miles, 3hrs 45min per Google Maps

Bob Mohle's country getaway cottage on the outskirts of Pinetop AZ was offered up as an excuse to burn off some forfeitable vacation time. With some backdrop interest in the local history surrounding lumbering/lumberingu railroads, we headed out to the White Mountains with seven basic clues;
Clue #1, Apache Railway :next: https://azmemory.azlibrary.gov/cdm/ref/ ... lhch/id/34
Clue #2, Apache Railway :next: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Railway
Clue #3, Apache Railway 2004
Clue #4, Southwest Lumbering Industries logging train, circa 1910 at Standard AZ in the White Mountains :next: https://azmemory.azlibrary.gov/cdm/sing ... /35/rec/14
Clue #5, White Mountain Scenic Railroad (7 page brochure) :next: https://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/ref ... /id/101967
Clue #6, White Mountain Scenic Railroad locomotives :next: https://www.air-and-space.com/Locomotives.htm
Clue #7, Maverick AZ ghost town :next: https://boards.ancestry.com/localities. ... 38/mb.ashx
Day 1 - Sunday April 5th, 2015
FitBit totals = 7.64 miles, 770 AEG (77 floors)

On the road by 3pm after Easter brunch with the family. Arrived at Bob's Pinetop cottage about 7-ish and enjoyed some crisp country air with temperatures expected to drop into the hi 30's later that evening...

Day 2 - Monday April 6th, 2015
FitBit totals = 6.97 miles, 410 AEG (41 floors)

Up at dawn with a loose plan to visit Kinishba Ruins, Fort Apache Historic Park, Pacheta Lake, Pacheta Falls, and scout out remnants of the logging railway that ran between McNary and the ghost town of Maverick. Flat tire on our way out from Pacheta Falls to Maverick put an end to the exploration (made it back to Pinetop to see NCAA final game tipoff).
Apache Railway that ran from Holbrook to McNary to Maverick :next: https://azmemory.azlibrary.gov/cdm/ref/ ... lhch/id/34 NOTE: ran as a tourist train during 1960's and 1970's until fire in 1980 (1976 in some references) at the McNary Lumber Mill combined with changes in tribal lumbering policy led to its closure. Ran under brand of White Mountain Scenic Railway.
Maverick ghost town :next: https://www.ghosttowns.com/states/az/maverick.html
McNary lumber history :next: https://fhsarchives.wordpress.com/tag/s ... ber-mills/
Finish the day with some "Hollywood History" by watching Walter Hill's "GERONIMO - An American Legend" with Wes Studi, Jason Patric, Gene Hackman, Matt Damon, and Robert Duvall :next: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107004/.
Our visit to Fort Apache and seeing General Crook's cabin made me think that movie would be a great bookend to our day...
Later that night, I find the best historic reference for the Apache Railway, an article from the January 1963 Arizona Highways entitled "First Caboose to Maverick"
Day 3 - Tuesday April 7th, 2015
FitBit totals = 9.60 miles, 790 AEG (79 floors)

Up at dawn and after a hearty breakfast, headed over to Greens Peak - Four Knolls area to take in the stellar panoramic views (despite hurricane-like winds). Explored Sunrise Ski Resort area to see if tram to top of mountain was open (everything closed to public). Off to explore the headwaters of the Little Colorado and the Mount Baldy Loop. When we parked at the West Baldy Trail #95 TH, I heard a distinct hissing sound - Another flat tire!
Fortunately I was able to limp back to Pinetop where Rex @ Future Tire (https://www.futuretireaz.com ) took care of us. Today's flat was caused by a roofing nail and a simple plug-n-patch repair to the Goodyear Wrangler P275/65R18. Monday's flat was a rock puncture and not repairable. Disappointed with Ford's off-road package tires (these weren't my first off-road flat tires), I let Rex sell me a Cooper Tire Trailcutter AT2 that we mounted as my spare for now as I contemplate what to replace my other 4 tires with (anyone have experience with Cooper Tire Trailcutter AT2's???). A special "shoutout to Louis Weaver (Bob's handyman in Pinetop) who met us as we limped into town just in case we needed a ride
Lugs are 21mm, stock tire wrench lugs 7/8", yet have specialty 21mm wrench in truck
(Shouldn't the 7/8" lugs on truck all be 21mm to fit wrench?)
Back on the road after lunch at Red Devil Pizza :next: https://www.reddevilrestaurant.com (Randy and CJ took care of us during lunch) and headed over to Porter Mountain and
Ice Cave Trail #608 :next: [ Ice Cave Trail #608 ]
Day 4 - Wednesday April 8th, 2015
FitBit totals = 5.11 miles, 150 AEG (15 floors)

On the road home with a stop at the Salt River Canyon...
TOTALS
29.32 miles, 2120 AEG
193 TOTAL IMAGES
85 images on iPhone 5S
87 images on Canon 6D
9 images on Canon 7D
12 images on Canon Rebel XT

HAZ DESTINATIONS
1. Kinishba Ruins :next: [ Kinishba Ruins ]
2. Fort Apache Historic Park :next: [ Fort Apache Historic Park ]
3. Pacheta Lake :next: [ Pacheta Lake Campground ]
4. Pacheta Falls :next: [ Pacheta Falls ]
5. Maverick Ghost Town :next: [ Maverick Ghost Town ]
6. Railroad Grade Trail :next: [ Railroad Grade Trail #601 ]
7. Greens Peak :next: [ Greens Peak Trail ]
8. Four Knolls :next: [ Four Knolls ]
9. Candy Mountain Trail :next: [ Candy Mtn Trail ]
10. Sunrise Park :next: [ Sunrise Ski Park ]
11. West Baldy Trail #95 :next: [ West Baldy Trail #94 ]
12. Ice Cave Trail #608 :next: [ Ice Cave Trail #608 ]
13. Salt River Canyon - AZ60 Crossing :next: [ Salt River Canyon - US60 Crossing ]
14. Upper Salt River :next: [ Upper Salt River ]

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May 26 2014
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Railroad Grade Trail #601Alpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
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Just tacking on the MTB mileage with the Pole Knoll trip.
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May 26 2014
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Pole Knoll Recreation AreaAlpine, AZ
Alpine, AZ
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John9LTriplogs 1,647
Hiking2.87 Miles 710 AEG
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Team Buford was having some issues getting their truck started so Liz and I headed over to the railroad track for a quick mountain bike ride. I borrowed Chumley’s bike and Liz brought her own. Our plan was to ride for a couple of hours and then regroup with everyone before heading back to Phoenix.

We started the ride and found the trail to be more trouble than it was worth. It meanders across a wide open area and got boring real quick. After a couple of miles we regrouped to talk about our options. I noticed Pole Knoll off in the distance and Liz was down. We continued riding another mile and then stopped and locked up the bikes. From there we went cross country towards the large knoll. After roughly a mile we started the climb up. It was a bit steep but very straightforward. We continued up and before long things leveled off and we proceeded to the high point.

Once on top we took a break and soaked in the views. Sunrise Ski Resort was off in the distance and we could see for miles. It was a clear and warm today. A nice change from the previous three days weather. While on top we found a register and signed ourselves in. It goes back to 2001 and we didn’t find any HAZ entries. We also found the benchmark which was placed in 1936.

After our break we started the return and it was much easier heading down hill. Along the way Liz had to stop to document her 10,000 step of the day. :D Soon after we arrived back at the bikes and then rode back to the trailhead. Our timing was just about perfect because Chumley and Team Buford got the truck running and were on their way. We stopped at the Pinetop Brewery and then returned to Phoenix.

This capped a really fun, and cold, weekend! Thanks Liz for the bike ride and quick summit!
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Good heavens, that Railroad Trail is something awful... flat, boring, and hard to ride on because of the cinders. I was really glad when John suggested we hike over to Pole Knoll for a change of scenery.

We hiked over and then up. Straightforward, but no trail to the top. We could see signs where the cross-country ski trails would be in winter, but no walking or bike trails from where we were. The top was actually pretty neat; we found a summit marker and a register, and stopped for a quick beer. This made the hike downhill a little more interesting. Stopped for a moment to enjoy the blue skies and big fluffy white clouds over Sunrise. Getting back onto the bike was a necessary chore... I was glad to get back to the car and then join a few others at Pinetop Brewing for some sustenance before heading home.
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May 25 2014
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East Fork Trail #95 - GreerAlpine, AZ
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Hiking5.50 Miles 800 AEG
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Finished up the East Fork trail to figure out how it connects, appears to actually share the railroad grade trail for about 2 miles.
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May 24 2014
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Railroad Grade Trail #601Alpine, AZ
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Hiking8.25 Miles 427 AEG
Hiking8.25 Miles   3 Hrs   20 Mns   2.68 mph
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This triplog should be titled "NOT the West Fork Trail" as the West Fork 94 was my goal. I have no idea how I missed the sign :doh: to the right (I spotted it on the way back) as you come through the gate after passing under 273 except that I was filming and looking straight ahead. Anyway, after we set up the Baldy shuttles and I got the group photo of the gang before they headed up West Baldy Trail, it was time for me to hike. (Kathy was initially going to take me up the east side as I think the elevation gain is less but because of the late start and unstable weather, I decided it would be best to pass).

I didn't have a map or anything for the West Fork, LCR Trail as it was not my intended hike. I did have a hike description for West Fork, Black River Trail which is what I thot I was going to hike. Believe me, there was mass confusion :tt: on this West Fork Trail stuff so it's no wonder nothing was matching up not to mention that there was no trail numbers anywhere. I knew I was on a grade as I headed up the trail.

I passed by two large open meadows as I made my way on the grade not too far from FR 87. There was a camping area with some occupants that would have many more occupants when I passed by on my way back. I could see a bridge in the distance so I zoomed in for a pic of it not realizing I would actually be crossing on that bridge. Eventually you cross the road toward the pedestrian bridge that crosses Benny Creek as you start heading west.

Not too far from Boardshack Knoll the graupel flurries came and went. It was interesting round little balls of snow (graupel). One hit my lip and it was definitely cold :o . Previous to getting in this area, the wind had been blowing pretty good. The Knoll has beautiful newly leafing aspens. (There are two cinder pits in the Knoll which looks like they can be accessed from FR 112 from 273. In fact, if you look at the topo, there seem to be other cinder pits in this area). Eventually off to your right (N) you pass Bull Pasture Spring where it looked like there were some sort of troughs. Mind you I didn't know the name of any of this stuff as I was somehow trying to figure out where I was :-k other than just on a Trail per the several carsonite signs I passed indicating as much.

I came to an intersection with another off-road that was coming in from the south. Straight ahead I could see a major dirt road, a stop sign and a snow storm. I decided I would walk to the road and then turn around. When I got to the road I could see a kiosk ahead a bit so surely there would be some sort of information ...there was NADA!!! Sheesh this was frustrating. It does appear I was by an empty Mountain Reservoir. I did spot Green Peak in the distance. Our camp wasn't too far from there. It is the peak with a bald spot on its west side and a gazillion towers on top.

The storm was nearly on me now so I got out my jacket, my hat and gloves and bundled up as it swarmed around me. The storm had much more bark than bite and was fleeting. However, I am sure as vehicles drove by they probably wondered about that bundled-up hiker making her way east in the middle of nearly nowhere. Once past the Knoll, I un-bundled and went back to my normal hiking wear. It was slightly windy at this point but not bad.

As I continued on the grade after hiking across the 87, the graupel flurries came and went so I pulled out the umbrella (you can hear graupel while snowflakes aren't quite as noisy ;) ). I was going to try and hike without stopping for a break but decided I would pull over at a rock or log in this one protected section to rest for 5 minutes. A little further down the trail I stopped to enjoy this one section where the birdies seemed particularly active :) . As I got closer to the TH I spotted this carsonite sign off to my left that said TRAIL... imagine that! I couldn't believe that I didn't see that :oops: .

So I debated with myself as to whether I should follow this obviously little-used trail or head to the TH. I decided since I was stupid for missing it, I should have to go see if there was an indication as to what trail this might be since once again, there is no indication whatsoever. The weather was getting worse so I thot I might just venture up 2 miles.

I headed over to the other side of the clearing following the cairns and then the posts that took me up into the forest. This is kind of a neat area but the graupel started coming and with my umbrella out, it made it difficult getting thru the narrow areas. I threw in the towel and said I was hungry and I would save this hike for another time. As I opened and closed the barbed wire gate I thot, "if I HAD been on the right trail, I might indeed have run into Nonot as he was doing the W and E Fork Trail loop". I passed by his car and then headed up to the parking lot.

I decided I would have some lunch and then drive over to the East side to check out the E Baldy or connector trail. As I was working on the second part of my lunch the graupel started coming down; well it started graupeling (precipitation that forms when super-cooled droplets of water are collected and freeze on a falling snowflake) pretty seriously. And it kept coming down for about 1/2 hour :o .

Not only that, it started getting cold. Fortunately I had my chenile Mexican blanket so I wrapped myself up in that (ya I know, "why didn't you just start the car for a bit?"). Then my fingers started to get numb; it was the strangest thing. I did everything I could think of to bring the feeling back including rubbing and clapping and blowing into my hands but nothing seemed to work. My first fear was what if I couldn't shoot pictures anymore :lol:? I quit fussing and just waited for the storm to pass. I did shoot some video and pictures during the event and worried 8-[ that my buddies on the mountain were getting pummeled.

The sun finally came out and as the graupel started to melt and the vehicle warmed a little, the feeling came back in my fingers. What a relief! This is my second bad experience with the cold up in these White Mountains. The last time was during a ski trip. It's a long story :-({|= but that's when I think my body thermometer went on the blink permanently (mid 90s). I was glad when the Mount Baldy hikers showed up and hadn't experienced the weather I had here.

Anyway, it was a great hike and I was fascinated by the weather and I got some pretty cool video and pictures.

Snow in May at the White Mountains including at camp on Fri afternoon, along the trail and at the parking lot: http://youtu.be/p7ZwdcAK3p8
Part 1 of my hike to just before the Knoll and some small graupel flurries: http://youtu.be/2MwIne4goDA
Part 2 of my hike to Mountain Reservoir including view of pending storm and in the graupel flurries as I headed back toward the TH http://youtu.be/ZoaIrgQAo2U
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May 24 2014
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Hiking15.60 Miles 1,500 AEG
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Loop with East Fork Trail and Railroad Grade Trail. Shortcut a bit of the East Fork trail to knock off some distance. The offtrail mile or so saved about 4-5 miles and didn't require any fences to be crossed.
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I haven't been staying in shape for mountain biking, so this seemed long, although in the past it didn't. I've ridden the trail quite a few times before. We started at 260 trailhead and rode to West Baldy trailhead and back the same way. This time I went with a local group.

The trail is in worse shape than the last time I rode it. I think monsoon will help pack down the cinders a bit. There were more areas of loose cinders than I remember from before. I biffed, also, at the most technical spot on the ride (a steep slope with big and small rocks at the bottom of it) and banged my knee, and someone took a photo of it and posted it on Facebook. Gee, thanks!

On our return someone had the idea of following FR 112. I thought it was a lot harder than if we had ridden back on the trail, because I was tired by then, and it had more ups than the trail would have had, and it was longer. Plus, that part of the trail through the meadow is very easy and pleasant.

How astonishing to look at our route on a map and see that big lake there! I have never seen more than a puddle in White Mountain Reservoir, at least not for many years. It's kind of a shame.

This ride is really nice if you can catch a dry day in August or early September, when it's very, very green and full of flowers (and maybe those cinders are packed down by the rain.)

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I needed to feel some snow beneath my feet - so having heard from my neighbors Terry and Giselle about their New Year's trek to Sunrise Ski Park (check out => [ Sunrise Ski Park ] ), I thought a couple of days in the White Mountains would be "just the ticket". I couldn't take advantage of my Marriott Rewards or Priority Club Rewards booking a hotel since none of their hotels in the vicinity of the White Mountains are "pet friendly". Luckily the Best Western in Eagar AZ will accept dogs in the room, so we had our base camp.

Wednesday 1/2 - Arrived in the White Mountains late morning via Hwy 260 with our first stop near Sunrise Ski Park and FR112 and the Railroad Grade Trail #601 (see => [ Railroad Grade Trail #601 ] ). Lots of snow fun on the slopes of the Railroad Grade. FR117 was unplowed so our afternoon plans to explore Green's Peak and the Four Knolls (see => [ Four Knolls ] ) were thwarted. Our back-up plan was to explore trails near the village of Greer. Mini-hikes on West Fork Trail #94 and Butler Canyon Trail #98 (see => [ West Fork Trail #94 - Greer ] and [ Butler Canyon Trail #98 ] ) and exploring some real estate poking around the village. You can see the scarred forest and how close it came to torching all of Greer from last summer's Wallow Fire (see => https://wildfiretoday.com/2011/06/09/wa ... r-arizona/ and [ Wallow Fire Map 2011-06-27 :: map ] ). We ended the day with a sunset hike of the G&F Grasslands (see => [ White Mountain Grasslands Area ] ). Grasslands lived up to the hype for surefire wildlife encounters as we met up with a herd of mule deer.

Thursday 1/3 - After a frigid night, arrived at the South Fork Trail #97 (see => [ South Fork Trail #97 ] ) trail head with my truck thermometer indicating 19degF (neglected to get photo evidence, but did capture the noon time temperature of 23degF). We hiked the 3 miles to the bridge with the dogs enjoying the snow. Once again scars from the Wallow Fire could be seen along the hiking route. Next up was Pole Knoll (see => [ Pole Knoll Recreation Area ] ). Hiking was challenging post-holing your route beside the set track for cross country skiing. I was very impressed with the skiing conditions at Pole Knoll - makes me want to break out my skis! We Wrapped up our White Mountain tour with some photo ops at Horseshoe Cienega (see => [ Horseshoe Cienega ] ) and Los Burros (see => [ Los Burros Trail #631 ] ). We had a late day dinner in Show Low and returned home via Hwy 60.
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Quick hike near sheep's crossing with the kids. Very green this time of year, even in the burn areas. Some of the maples are getting a touch of color.
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got to Cutthroat CG got out the bikes and atrted riding down railroad grade trail. It does not start out at the first boat ramp like map shows, but starts at the small last one on railroad boat launch in northwest corner of Big lake. The trail was nothing like I read about and was somewhat disappointed about that, but it was very beautiful just the same. You followed a old railroad grade that is converted from a cowboys truck road, that is filled with tire popping thistles and loose lava gravel that is immpossible for a bike to ride through, but I did it anyways. many Elk, Deer, Cows, and turkey on this part of trail up to the FR 116. because it was late, we did a loop following the Hwy back to Big Lake to campground for a quick 13 mile loop ride. This is a Great BIG COUNTRY hike. I love this place and I highly encourage you to see this place especially Sept-Oct when Elk are making all kinds of sounds, as well as coyotes and turkeys. We scouted out the rest of the trail at West Fork Colorado, and Sheeps Crossing near Greer. They is no way a bike can pedal through the loose red rock lava rock on a bike. it will tear your knees up for sure. Like riding through beachsand. Me and my brother believe the Horse riders got bike trail funding so they will have their own trail. Either way. This railroad grade trail is an excellent big country big sky, big meadow grassland hike I will surely be spending months next spring, exploring.
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Jul 16 2010
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West Fork LCR--RR grade loop, AZ 
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I started at my campsite at Winn Campground, hiked due north to the rim of West Fork of the Little Colorado River canyon. Hiked down the steep slope covered in deadfall, very slippery and wet! But I could hear the tantalizing sound of the big creek below, although I could not see it, there were so many trees!

I think that creek has to be one of the prettiest places in the state!

After following the creek upstream I got to 273. I caught up with RR Grade Trail # 601 for a little while, then left it to cross the road again, using my GPS to cross the meadows and get back in a fairly straight line to my campsite.

I was camping there to await the arrival of people from the Valley. We did a Mount Baldy backpack the next two days. They didn't show up until well after dark.
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Jul 11 2010
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This was a fun ride on quiet back roads in a remote corner of the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest, south of Big Lake, not too far from Reservation Lake. We drove FR 116 to FR 72, and rode several side roads, including a stretch along the old Apache Railway. This stretch of the old railroad bed which goes from McNary to Maverick, is not designated as part of the Railroad Grade Trail #601, but intrepid travelers could make the connections. The area we were riding sees a little bit of ATV traffic, but not much as it is kind of out of the way. I had not been there before, myself. We saw a lot of flowers and a pretty good herd of elk, running away from us. The group I was with were members of TRACKS, a hiking club from Pinetop. Very nice people.

After the ride I forgot to push "SAVE" on my GPS tracking (Aaargh!!). Then I drove south in POURING RAIN to hook up with FR 25, turned left toward Buffalo Crossing, crossed the West Fork of the Black River, and then the East Fork at Buffalo Crossing. Stopped both places to take a couple of photos, as the rain had mostly stopped then. At Buffalo Crossing I walked down a quarter mile or so. I had brought hiking gear, but it kept drizzling off and on, and I melt if I get wet. ;) Also did not feel comfortable leaving my $2,000 bicycle in the car while hiking...the bike is worth more than the car! All in all, it was a most pleasant day. Drove back via 191 and Alpine.
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A fun mountain bike ride on a beautiful summer day. A coyote barked at me like a dog! Frogs ribbeted in all the ponds. The thunderclouds built up and dripped on me a little, but there was no thunder and lightning, and I didn't really get wet. The irises are still in bloom up there, although they have dried up in the lower elevations. The entire ride is pretty much above 9,000 feet. I went from the 260 sledding hill trailhead to just past the West Baldy trailhead. Next week I will start at Big Lake and ride toward W. Baldy TH.

At W. Baldy trailhead the trail also links to the West Fork Trail, going down to Greer. Then at Colter Reservoir, you can link to the East Fork Trail, also going down to Greer.

Beyond Big Lake, the RR grade continues, but not as a designated trail. It is incorporated into parts of the Indian Springs Trail and the Thompson Trail. I believe a determined person could make their way along it southward, all the way to Maverick! I have ridden parts of it by Thompson trail, going far past the trail designation.
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Starting at the sledding hill on 260, just west of the WMAT reservation boundary, I followed roughly the route of the Railroad Grade Trail. At first, I followed snowmobile tracks. The fact that I knew there would be snowmobile tracks here did influence my decision to ski here today, although in retrospect, it is a pretty boring trail, with very little in the way of ups or downs. Since the Springerville Ranger district usually does not see fit to groom Pole Knoll, I wanted a groomed trail today, and a change from Pole Knoll, as well, where I've been skiing daily for awhile. Snowmobile tracks are almost as good as a groomed trail. Actually better, sometimes, because usually there is no one else around. I saw no snowmobiles at all, in fact.

The RR Grade Trail is fun in summer on a mountain bike. I don't think I will return to it in winter again, though. After about a mile or so I ran out of snowmobile tracks and decided to break trail myself for awhile. I headed for some low hills in the distance, but they turned out to be further away than I thought they were. Pole Knoll is right to the east and looms in view, and the ski slopes of Sunrise are also visible, once you pass a big hill that hides them from view.

I arrived early and was the 4th car, but by the time I returned I could barely get out of the parking lot due to all the sledders having arrived. And that's another thing. That parking lot used to always be snowplowed really well, because it often packs in 50 cars or more. But it was a total mess, piles of snow everywhere, ice, etc. Budget cuts? It wouldn't take long at all to shove the snow out of there. Grr.. People were getting almost stuck all over, spinning their wheels, etc. I don't know if the FS or ADOT is supposed to plow it, but how much you wanna bet if I call ADOT they'll tell me to call the FS and if I call the FS they'll tell me to talk to ADOT?

Right across the highway from the parking area is also a nice area to ski. You head for a little gap between the hills, straight across the meadow. Once in the hills you can go in all different directions. I really should have gone there instead, as there were snowmobile tracks to follow in that direction as well. I was lazy today but skied steadily for over 2 hours. Tomorrow it is going to be warm again, so I'm gonna ride my road bike.
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From the "sledding hill" on Hwy 260, (between the Sunrise Ski Park turnoff and the Greer turnoff) to the West Baldy Trailhead, the Railroad Grade Trail is a fun mtn. bike ride. I'm surprised it isn't entered into permanent data on this site.

(I'm told that the rest of the trail, from Baldy Trailhead to Big Lake, is very hard to follow right now due to the ongoing construction and re-alignment of 273. Some fences have also been erected across that section of the trail, I've heard.)

However, the 9-mile stretch from Hwy. 260 to West Baldy Trailhead has no obstructions and is easy to follow. Look for the trailhead within the Apache Sitgreaves National Forest, just east of the White Mtn. Apache Reservation boundary. At the trailhead there is a VERY large parking lot and a restroom. (This is to accommodate the hundreds sledders in winter.) There is also a big red and white cellphone tower on the hill next to the sledding area. Plus there is a sign on the highway that says "Railroad Grade Trail." The entrance to the RR Grade Trail is well-signed in a corner of the parking lot. (Don't go up the steep hill--look for the wooden signs that mark the RR Grade trail entrance.) The trail goes across the meadows and stays fairly flat most of the time. It is fine for easy hiking or horses as well. We saw several large flocks of sheep with their attendant shepherds and dogs. There are several lakes and large ponds visible along the trail as well. I have often seen elk on this ride.

For the real "animals": At the Baldy Trailhead, one of the riders in my group continued on down the West Fork Trail #94 into Greer. From there he found his way onto the so-called phone line road, a closed road that goes from Greer to South Fork Trail #97. He rode the lower part of South Fork Trail to the campground, and back to the highway and he rode the highway back to Eagar. That was quite a ride! The rest of us were content with the 18-plus miles we put on our odometers. It was a great day to ride a great bike!
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