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Jan 17 2026
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Superstition 4x Summit Super Loop, AZ 
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John10sTriplogs 390
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Hiking26.57 Miles   11 Hrs   22 Mns   2.49 mph
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I hadn't done a long hike in a few months, and since Joe hasn't planned anything crazy recently, I decided to get out for a longer hike in the Superstitions. I chose an old @LJW route that I'd my eye on for a few years that covered 25+ miles and hit four summits (Bluff Spring Mountain, Miner's Summit, Picacho Butte, and Coffee Flat 4621), with ~ 40% of the miles off-trail. Picacho and Coffee Flat were new ones for me and were the main attractions.

Peralta TH to Bluff Spring Mtn Summit
I packed 3.5+ liters of water, a purifier, and extra gear for a long day and set out from Peralta by flashlight just before 6AM. I carried the bear spray in case there were any lingering rabid bobcats or thirsty cougars still prowling the Peralta area after the recent closure. I covered the first few miles in the dark, with stars overhead and a comfortable temps, and the sky was just starting to lighten as I reached the Terrapin intersection. I left the trail west of Bluff Spring Mountain and took a direct route up to the summit, arriving just before 8AM with beautiful views of the sunrise lighting up Weaver's Needle and the Goldfields. [ youtube video ]

Bluff Spring Mtn to Miner's Summit
From the summit, I hiked SE across the mountain and descended on Ely-Anderson, my first time on that trail. Steep, but fairly well cairned and not too tough to follow. I connected with Dutchman and left the trail after a short distance to hike up the N/NE side of Miner's Summit, a 'miner' bump on the route relative to the terrain ahead. I was on summit #2 just after 9AM and took another short break on top, with Coffee Flat Mountain looming to the east. [ youtube video ]

Miner's Summit to Picacho Butte
Coming down from Miner's Summit, I saw two guys at the saddle below, the first people I'd seen all day. They continued east on Whiskey Spring, and I passed them before leaving the trail and to start up the ridge past the Circle benchmark toward Coffee Flat. Views were fantastic from the ridge, and the route looked straightforward, though the final approach is deceptive from a distance with 4621 hidden behind a false summit.

I generally stayed west of the rock outcroppings along the ridge, and there were two steep uphill stretches. The toughest part was skirting around the west side of 4562, the false summit that's visible from a distance--that involved a lot of side-hilling on a very steep grade that slowed the pace, but I dropped down to a ridge leading to Picacho Butte. The were a couple small false summits along the way, and the high point is a little north of 4294 label on the map, but the views were great. I was on summit #3 at ~11:20AM, and it was very cool to finally be up there after seeing Picacho from below so many times over the years.

Picacho Butte to Coffee Flat Mtn 4621
I ended up improvising on the route to 4621--the route I was following went back the way I came and would've followed the rugged ridgeline that runs SW of the summit. It looked like that would require more aggressive side-hilling around some large rock formations, so I decided to try a more direct route at 4621, first dropping down into a drainage west of the peak...that added some elevation but looked easier and more efficient than another round of side-hilling. I found a spot to scramble down into the drainage and exit the other side...the climb was steep but worked well, and I was on top of Coffee Flat about an hour after leaving Picacho. Once again, great views in all directions with 4621 being one of the highest peaks in that vicinity. [ youtube video ]

Coffee Flat Mtn 4621 to Red Tanks Divide
I dropped down the SE side of the summit, which was steeper than I expected. There were a couple of especially steep, rocky scrambles going down, first leaving the summit and another farther down as I dropped into one of the drainages, which had some small pools and trickling water. The route eventually leveled off and wasn't too brushy on the way to Red Tanks Divide.

Red Tanks Divide to Peralta TH
Finally back on trail with ~11 miles to go, I stopped and filtered water at a nice pool south of the divide. Red Tanks Trail was easy to follow and not nearly as overgrown as I expected, so the miles passed quickly. I'd never hiked that section of Red Tanks and was pleasantly surprised by the scenery approaching Dripping Spring--flowing water, flowers, beautiful cliffs, and some fall color. I crossed paths with two people camped near the spring, and one of their dogs enjoyed following me and barking...I wondered for a while if he planned to stick with me all the way back to Peralta :). The impressive scenery continued along Coffee Flat Trail, and I stopped by Reeds Water before continuing onto Dutchman in late afternoon shadows and finishing off the loop a little after 5PM.

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Fantastic loop, and one of the most memorable Superstition hikes I've done. I saw four people and two deer all day and covered a lot of ground...great sunrise and scenery, perfect weather, explored some new territory and visited two new peaks, and didn't pick up too many scratches. Good day all around :).

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Didn’t get a good look because people camped nearby but creek had light flow...presumably, the spring was dripping

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Jan 13 2026
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Red Tanks Super Loop - Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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After rescheduling from last week due to weather, Kelly and I headed out to hike the Red Tanks Super Loop today. Got to Peralta while it was still dark. As we were getting ready, a familiar looking vehicle pulled into the lot, but I couldn't see the driver. Kelly and I headed out on Dutchman to do the loop counter-clockwise. After a little more than a mile, Wally showed up behind us. So I really did recognize the vehicle. His plan for the day also had him heading the same direction, so we were a trio for another five miles or so as we headed east on Coffee Flat.

After showing us a unique rock pile, Kelly and I continued on Coffee Flat while Wally headed out to his planned adventure. The area has seen some flooding, and we found it easier at times to stay in the creek bed instead of attempting to follow obliterated trail. Plenty of hopping over water and dodging occasional quicksand was involved.

We turned onto Red Tanks Trail, which has also seen some flooding. Again, we opted to stay in the creek bed in places. Some catclaw as we climbed up towards the divide, and the trail was pretty rough in places. Once over the divide, the trail improved. We had lunch near the Hoolie Bacon junction, then continued west. Once past the junction with Whiskey Springs Trail, the rest of Red Tanks trail was in good shape. I topped off my water somewhere along here, but if I die soon, it was because I didn't filter it.

South on Dutchman, then turned onto Bluff Springs Trail. From there, we had mostly shade as the sun dropped lower. Temps were more pleasant too. The final few miles went by quickly as we completed the loop, arriving back at the trailhead right at sunset. Great hike and nice to get some good mileage for the day! Plenty of water along the entire route.
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Red Tanks Super Loop - Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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linda suggested a hike in the superstitions
rescheduled due to last week's weather
we met up at 0600 and got going before 0700
headlamps for a mile
wally caught up with us between one and two miles along dutchman
we hiked together until he turned off at a drainage he wanted to explore off coffee flat
before then, he showed us an obscure rock pile - a worthy off trail detour
red tanks trail was not a trail the first half mile, until climbing out of the creek
some catclaw and other brush on the east end, much better after descending from the divide
labarge canyon is always scenic, with part of it easy walking
we took a break at the hoolie bacon intersection
tried to find labarge spring, were close but the area looks different than i remember
finished up on dutchman and bluff spring late afternoon
great loop, new combo for me although i've done dripping springs super loop thirteen years ago and all of the trails
red tanks wasn't as overgrown as expected
water flowing everywhere
saw seven people the entire day
nice to be out on a couple of trails i haven't been on in years
thanks linda, great day!
*using linda's stats, mine were very close
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 Mesa, AZ
Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Wally and I got started around 6:15 from the Peralta TH in the dark. Just past the 1 mile mark we didn't need headlamps anymore and soon after the daylight was upon us. We got to Freemont Saddle before seeing other hikers, but I could a group catching up to us. Once we were on the other side of the saddle we were back in the shade and the hikers weren't on our heels anymore. Near Freemont Saddle there were several spots with ice on the trail, either from frozen puddles or the trickling water across the trail that froze.

The Peralta Trail is nearly half this hike, which I forgot. I've done this twice before and it's been at or over a decade between each time, so my memory fades with age. Along Peralta near the camps the hikers caught up with us again, but they were actually climbers, and soon got off the trail and headed up to summit Weaver's Needle. Saw a few more hikers along Peralta before making the turn onto LDT and heading up another hill.

At the junction of LDT and Terrapin we took lunch. The hike up Terrapin in this direction is mostly uphill, with a couple valleys to walk through. The first climb to Terrapin Pass is the worst, steep with loose rock. After that, the uphills are a shallow slope and solid footing, which I don't mind. Along this trail I heard a yell, which I think was the climbers as they summitted Weaver's Needle. At first I thought it might a bird or an animal, but when I looked at the summit, I spotted a sun reflection off of a camera or phone or something, so I knew the climbers were there. I called out to Wally and he spotted them too. I managed to get a couple decent shots of them for as far away as we were.

The downhill parts of the hike after Bluff Saddle were as bad the uphill parts, or worse. Part of getting older. None of it was that bad, it's just that uphill isn't as bad anymore for me, and downhill hurts the joints and feet. Talked to a hiker who passed us who had just flown in from Pittsburgh and was in for the weekend.

got back to the TH after 2:30, making for over 8 hours for the day. I remember this hike taking that long 13 years ago, it didn't take too much more time this many years later, which is good. Temps were very cool the entire time, which helped pay off the gamble I made to pack less water.
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I had not hiked this loop in a while so when Chris told ne was hiking it I was in. The hike up Peralta to Fremont Saddle was the usual grind but it kept us warm in the early morning cool. There was some wind near the saddle but that came and went all day.
The trail is easy to follow but there is some overgrowth due to the wet fall. With the early start up Peralta we didn't see a lot other other hikers until we were back to the Cave trail. The temps stayed moderate all day and this made for a good workout.
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Black Top MesaPhoenix, AZ
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LindaAnnTriplogs 2,734
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Chris was in town while traveling between CA and NM, so we made plans to hike today. Got started from First Water around 0730. East on Second Water, then south across Black Mesa.

Ran into an acquaintance (Shea) as we got onto Dutchman. Chatted for a moment, then continued in opposite directions. Headed up Bull Pass, which has seen some erosion, then up Black Top Mesa. Humid on the climb. Took a break at the top, then headed back down. Took Dutchman all the way back to the trailhead. The clouds for the final few miles were nice.

Lots of green out there. Great to see Chris again!
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Double Black Mesa Figure Eight, AZ 
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First hike of the year and first time back in the Superstitions since last spring. We started from First Water TH ~8AM, with quite a few vehicles already there, but the trails didn’t seem too busy. We stayed on Dutchman headed for Black Top Mesa, and water was hit or miss along the way--some crossings and drainages had small pools or a light flow; others were completely dry. But everything was greener and more overgrown with grasses than my last trip to the Supes, and wildflowers were blooming nicely.

We took Bull Pass Trail around the north side of Black Top and looped back around on Dutchman. The sky clouded over and remained mostly cloudy the rest of the day, so the lighting wasn't the best for pictures, but the stretch between Black Top Mesa and Palomino Mountain is always colorful and scenic. We stopped for a break along the drainage, then completed the loop and took Black Mesa Trail back toward First Water to make it a figure-eight and avoid repeating trails on the way out.

We saw a total of ~15-20 people on the trails over the course of the day by the time we finished. These were all familiar trails and locations, but it was a nice medium-length hike and good to get back out in the Superstitions.
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Medium pool and light flow along the trail west of the water marking

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Bluff Spring Loop & Weavers View AZ, AZ 
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Arturas and Jelena were dog-sitting for a mini bichon frise named Popcorn, and we decided to take the little rat out for a nice walk in the Superstitions.

The parking lot was full at 0940, so we parked in a space about 0.2 miles away from the trailhead. It was about 60° when we started, and quickly went up to the high 70s / low 80s. There were 2 bighorn sheep up in the mountains that were visible from the trailhead. First sheep we've seen in the Supes.

This was our second time doing this loop, and it did not disappoint. The desert was remarkably green and beautiful from all the recent rain, with wildflowers everywhere. Popcorn was able to keep up for the first 2-3 miles, but the little princess preferred to be carried for most of the rest of the way. We passed Miner's Needle and all the other cool rock formations. We decided not to take the detour over to the view of Weaver's Needle, with Popcorn being the deciding vote.The final 2 miles were uneventful except for some occasional slips on the loose rocks. We headed straight to Hundred Mile Brewery for a perfect end to the adventure.

Overall a beautiful day with great views and good times. Although the lot was full, we saw only 5 other people (and one dog) total on this loop. We did't get many opportunities for hikes in 2025, but this was a good one to end the year.
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Peralta to Dripping Springs, AZ 
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It seems the last time I hiked out Coffee Flat, I turned around just shy of Reeds Water due to time constraints...while we were a bit limited on time, we still had a good day of it and made it out past Reeds Water to the Randolph/Fraser confluence via the longer route out of Peralta TH.

To make the most of our day, J insisted on hitting the TH during morning twilight. I was surprised there were a number of cars in the lot already, given that it was the middle of the week. With the sun not yet risen, the temps were a bit chilly starting out, but things warmed up quickly.

We made good time heading out the dutchman, and were surprised to come across a solo backpacker with a campfire going (or perhaps he was just finishing breaking camp since he came along behind us not too long afterwards...singing all the while). While we headed off the Coffee Flat trail, our serenading soloist continued up the Dutchman towards Miner's Needle. I'm not sure how I always manage to forget how rocky the trails can be, especially out in the western superstitions. I had recalled from my previous visit that I enjoyed the scenery, but somehow completely forgot how rocky the tread underfoot was 😆 additionally, I may have also forgotten how not flat the trail is. The surrounding views though, those I did remember correctly 🙂

As we popped over the saddle where I turned back previously and worked further east, the Reeds Water windmill came into view, with the trees in the area showing a little bit of color. We wandered over to the Windmill area to have a look at the well before continuing on the trail to Randolph Canyon. The drainage clearly had flashed, with the stream bed appearing much wider now and some areas along the banks very much scoured of vegetation with tree roots freshly exposed. Finding the tread was sometimes quite tricky with all the debris and the changes in the drainage.

We eventually made it to the confluence with Fraser - I wandered up to the sign and to have a look up Fraser. The character of the area has changed a lot, with lots of boulders and sand having been moved into the area. Much of the bedrock is now partially obscured, and there's no telling if it will scour clear again in the future. We stopped to enjoy the sounds of the running water for a bit before returning to the trailhead.

Other people: aside from the singing backpacker, there was a pair heading in down the Dutchman as we were heading out, and a group of five equestrians that passed us just as we hit the saddle coming back out near the trailhead.
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the brittlebush are out in force!

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It's been a tough week for me personally, after learning on Tuesday that I had been laid off. One positive from that is I could hike more and possibly hit my personal goal for the year. I've done this loop multiple times, and after seeing Joe and The Eagle do this loop last week, I thought it would be good to hit it up again. S and I arrive at Peralta TH a little after 7 with only 3 other cars in the lot. I live 15 minutes away from the TH, and there was zero wind at my house, but the wind was pretty gusty when we got there, and it was freezing pumpkin cold with it. I had never done this loop CCW, so I figured it would be a nice change of pace, completely forgetting about the torturous climb up to Terrapin Pass, where I cussed and complained the entire way, good thing S was ahead of me and did not get stuck listening to it. :lol:

Bluff Springs
I despise cardiac hill (going up and down) as it gets your breathing heavy right off the start. A little brushy on the way down and a bit worse in Bluff Canyon, more grass than anything. The trail is good all the way through.

Dutchman
It's a Savannah near Bluff Springs with hidden rocks ready to snap your ankle every chance they get. Brushy near Holmes Spring, this section always drags for me; it's kind of blah and long. We did not stop at La Barge, but a little bit of color started there and at Oak Spring. Quick break at a nice camping site near Oak Spring, and we continued. S had never seen the master map, so we made a quick detour to check it out and then headed up to Charlebois. The spring is full of decent-looking water, like it always is; had lunch at the campsite near the spring and continued. A little before the Calvary junction, we hit the Siphon fire burn area, which fried the huge Saguro that was right off the Dutchman. The trail through the burn was good, as it's been travelled pretty frequently, it would seem. The burn ended a bit up the Dutchman, stopping just before some of the riparian areas before Terrapin; however, it did make it to the huge swimmer that used to be a pretty cool spot.

Terrapin
I have a love/hate relationship with this trail. The climb up to the pass completely sucks, but I really enjoy the rock formations on the Bluff Spring end. We took a break once we made it up to the pass to catch our breath and my legs. From the pass to Bluff Saddle, the trail is brushy, and you need to keep your eyes open for carins to help through some of the areas.

Uneventful hike back to the TH, getting back a little after 5. This is the most miles I've done on my ankle since injuring it. While it was very sore after 5ish miles, it felt fine the day after. It was good to get out in the Supes to try and clear my mind. Thanks S, for joining.
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Because once up Terrapin this year wasn't enough.... 😆

Headed out to do a long loop that's been on my "should revisit" list. Swung by J's place to pick him up before sunrise, saw some cars at the Carney Springs Trailhead, and arrived at the Peralta lot to find only three other cars there. As we were driving out, we noticed that the winds had apparently decided to build as sunrise approached. Sure enough, as we got out of the car, we were shocked with the cutting breeze...I guess the good news is we would surely warm right up tackling cardiac hill straight away!

As expected, cardiac hill certainly got us warm, but sweat plus the breeze wasn't a good pairing. In an attempt to temperature regulate, I opted to peel off my wicking layer and continue onward with my windbreaker - this proved to be semi-successful, though I was then stuck with the windbreaker sleeves clinging to my sweaty arms...better than being stuck either freezing or overheating, I suppose. Oh the joys of re-discovering out how best to temperature regulate on the fly 😆

We had talked briefly about hitting this loop clockwise vs counter-clockwise. I didn't have any strong opinions on the matter...loose rocky nonsense on a grade is not particularly delightful in either direction. J seemed interested in hitting in CCW, so that's what we opted for. Sections of the Dutchman trail are playing peek-a-boo with tall grasses, requiring a fair bit of attention to ensure good foot placement. Saw a bit of color on the trees at the various springs as we passed. The sun had finally climbed high enough and the wind had mostly disappeared by the time we made Oak Spring, so we had a quick break to shed layers back to our more typical hiking attire before continuing onward to Charlebois and a quick visit to view the master map (thank you for showing it to me, J - I suspect I wouldn't have easily found it on my own!).

After a break to refuel near the spring, we continued on our way, eventually entering the burn region. I don't have strong memories of what the area looked like pre-fire, and I don't seem to have any photos from "way back when" to give myself a refresher. J showed me a photo of the big stately saguaro that was just off trail that is no more 😭

Soon enough, we found ourselves at the junction with Terrapin. Same as my previous visit, I was hitting this section late in the day after covering some decent miles. The climb up this time was easier - I'd like to think my conditioning has improved significantly since the last time I gave it a go. Still slow, but didn't seem to require the stops that I recalled having to make the last time I did it. When the trail gets close to the watercourse in the section before Bluff Saddle, things got a little faint at times with the overgrowth obscuring the way. Once we closed the loop, it was an easy return to the trailhead, making our way back down cardiac hill during golden hour.
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Didn't find the actual spring, but there is plenty of flow in the nearby creekbed.
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It’s Superstition season again.

A 7:10 start with the sun just starting to rise, temps in the 50s, and a light breeze blowing—how does it get any nicer? There was a van in the parking lot with a camera crew of some sort just getting packed up; we would see them again at the end of our hike. Not a clue what was going on there. The road in to Peralta was in mostly great shape, with only a couple of areas where you needed to slow down to avoid some rutting.

Bluff Springs Trail #235
There’s been a bit of work at the beginning of this trail to fix some washouts. Cardiac Hill still gets the heart pumping. Sure feels like more than a 500' climb.

Terrapin Trail #234
We opted to do this balloon loop clockwise to avoid the steep, loose drop from Terrapin Pass to the Dutchman Trail. This worked out well. There are a few areas on the Terrapin Trail where we actually had to consult our GPS; it’s a bit thin in spots.

Dutchman Trail #104
The Dutchman is a collection of friendly grades, running water, large trail-side boulders, and hints of fall. We took a break for lunch in a dry spot across from Oak Spring in LaBarge Creek, amongst the colorful cottonwoods.

We took the Dutchman back to the Bluff Spring Trail, where we ultimately retraced our steps back to the TH.

We did not see a single person the entire day until we were within 2 miles of the TH. Temps were perfect all day. I don’t think we went more than 15 minutes without seeing and/or hearing water. There were quite a few areas of wildflowers of all types. Get out and enjoy all the greenness of the Supes.
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Overall, the road in is of zero concern. Supa smooth for the majority. The second of two major washes slows down the low riders momentarily.

The trail up Cardiac Hill is easier for two-thirds because of trail work, erosion fill, and use. The turn off for Cave Trail #233 is distinctive. A little flow crossing Barks and less near Peralta Rock Gap. Summer sounds of crickets and large swarms of gnats, but they were not annoying. Yellow skipper butterflies.

Bruce was cool enough to do any hike I desired, short of a death march. He's long wished to do this loop clockwise, as he despises the North-South Terrapin ascent. Just passing the Terrapin turn, I figured, why not, so we turned around.

Clockwise was intriguing, as I haven't felt that disorientation in the Supes in eons. I'd rather hike either direction in warmer to hot weather with a breeze than calm fairweather, but to each their own.

White Rock Spring to Holmes is a jungle in areas. Luckily, we cruised by all the side trips. I enjoy checking them out when it's dry, but it's pointless with abundant pools and canyons trickling.

I had to stop about eight more times than Bruce. It became apparent he was not hydrated for a 26-30 miler.
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Two to three more weeks for the cottonwoods.
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Flattop buckwheat, wolfberry, Parish Goldeneye, lots of exhausted fairy duster. Hints of filaree, which typically means a better-than-average wildflower season. Indian paintbrush, isolated Calypso, large fields of the base leaves of invasive California poppies...

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Dry at the trail crossing. Water is guaranteed on this date up near the spring and down in LaBarge.

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We did a clockwise variation of this loop with some exploring along the way for a nice little Thanksgiving overnight backpack.

We hiked in the Bluff Springs Trail and then camped at the nice site near Oak Spring and then did some exploring towards the Charlebois Spring area on day one. On the second day we did some off trail exploring along the Red Tanks Trail before starting our hike back to the car. We spent most of the day on the hike out, but that included extended breaks at several of the watering holes on the way out. All of the major drainages we encountered were flowing and most of the secondary drainages were still trickling water from the most recent precipitation event. We hardly saw anyone over the two days. A couple groups of hikers/backpackers each day. It’s tough to beat the western Supes as an easy overnight destination this time of year and with these current conditions. An excellent backpack on all accounts and in one of my favorite areas in the Supes.
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The entire wash is flowing lightly in the spring area with nice pools.

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Dutchman to Coffee Flat, AZ 
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First time starting from Peralta TH in nearly 5 years and well over 12 since hiking this part of the Dutchman Trail so it was about time. At least we gave it time to recover somewhat from the fire... what was it, the Woodbury Fire?

Whatever, it was nice to experience the running washes (on the way out anyway, not so much on the return) and the greenery.

Once on the Coffee Flat Trail things got a bit rougher... instead of the trail following the somewhat straight line Eastward of the original route (from DECADES AGO) which only crossed smaller washes, now it follows an eroded drainage more-or-less Southward before heading East, so the wash crossings are deeper and almost hard to follow, and the climb after the last wash is a mass of baby-head rocks. Needless to say, this part of the hike was not fun and nor was the return through this section.

On RE Satellite view before the hike some distance out Coffee Flat Trail I had noticed a line heading off to the South with something round at the end, which I thought was heading downhill, but when we arrived in the vicinity (Yup, I neglected to set a waypoint) there was no track/trail/cowpath in that direction and it was going UP, so that was the end of any idea of checking it out.

While scanning the area, we noticed a few large boulders that seemed like a good spot to take a lunch break, so we did just that. After the break we noted the distance to the next feature (Reed's Water) along the Coffee Flat Trail was farther than we cared to go for this out-and-back hike, so we headed back.

As I mentioned, we noticed already there was less water flowing (sometimes just pools) in the washes compared to 2-3 hours earlier, so I guess in a day or two with no additional rain they will be dry again.

While the hill on the return wasn't nearly akin to cardiac hill, from the low point of the last wash up to the top before the last descent felt like it, especially at the end of the hike.

Thankfully, for the most part Peralta Road was in great shape so as long as the 10 mph low-slung cars let us pass, it wasn't a half-hour drive in either direction.
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Trail Legs w/ a side of Marinara Sauce, AZ 
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@KabukiMan and I intended to spend three days/two nights backpacking Charlebois Loop II, camping out at Charlebois and then at a campsite east of Miner’s Summit.

Spoiler Alert: We didn't make it to either.

(Stayed at the Oak Spring campsites instead, which, as another backpacker told us earlier that day, is better than Charlebois. But I'll let Bob tell the story.)

Important stuff first:

- The road to the Peralta TH was different driving in than driving out. It had rained in the interim, and I think the rain made the road smoother on the way out. Except that there were ruts in the road now. One so deep (about a foot down and foot wide) that I don’t know how the low clearance sports cars I saw coming in Monday could have crossed without bottoming out. Until the ruts are repaired, they can only become deeper & wider. HC w/ big tires recommended.

- Water was night and day difference after a night of rain. Although it had rained in the area earlier in the week (and so I was expecting water everywhere), most of the washes/drainages were dry Saturday. But there was water everywhere Sunday. For example, on Saturday, the big wash north of the Bluff Spring/Red Tanks Trails junction (La Barge Creek) was completely dry. Whereas on Sunday, it was so full that we couldn’t rock hop. (And further contrast to last month after three days of heavy rain where I was able to hop that Creek then.)

- There was very little scat anywhere. BUT, a big cat paw print at Barks like the one that someone here posted in a photo last month. (About 3 inches wide. Sorry, I didn’t take a photo.) Since it had rained Saturday night, and this was Monday morning, this was a fresh print. I think that there's a big mountain lion there.

- Apparently inch worms/green caterpillars can smell wet wool. Found one in the morning eating one of my socks that, the night before, I had hung up high on my tent to dry. (Am amazed that the little guy was 1) there, 2) could smell the wool and, 3) made the effort to climb my tent on the chance that he could eat my sock.)

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Now, regarding Trail Legs in my title: In the past, while doing sections of the AZT, when I’ve told thru-hikers I met how exhausted I was, almost all of them told me that I would feel better after I had gotten my “Trail Legs.”

What are Trail Legs? I don’t think that anyone can know what it means to have your Trail Legs until it happens to you. Now I think I know.

This particular trip seemed remarkably easier than any backpack trip I’ve done so far. And specifically easier than hiking Loop II a month before. To borrow from “My Fair Lady,” it was like I could have danced all night. Still slow. But felt strong and didn’t start to feel tired until the 2.5 day mark.

I’m guessing that having trained hard the week before, bulking up with carbs the week before, and having made two other backpacking trips in October all contributed to feeling “In the Zone.” (Another nebulous term that I’ve only experienced once or twice in the distant past.)

So that was nice. Now if I can just move a little faster than 1 mph.

Regarding w/ Marinara sauce: It started to rain when we arrived at Oak Spring. (5-ish.) I set up my tent in the rain (while wearing my poncho) and then boiled water, in the rain, for my meal. (Using my new alcohol siphon stove - more on that in a review later.)

Bob showed me a koozie that he had made to keep his food hot while it was rehydrating. I told him that I used the footbox of my sleeping bag instead - with the added safety of putting my food pack in a larger foil bag in case of a leak. (Per an Influencer’s Pro-Tip.)

It was still raining, a little colder, and now dark when it was time to eat my dinner.

Bob was eating his dinner in the rain. But he’s from Oregon and perhaps used to being rained on. I am not.

I desperately wanted to get out of the rain and enjoy my meal in comfort.

So I knelt down at the door to my tent, pulled off my poncho and now had rain raining on my back. I tried to find my meal in my sleeping bag before crawling into my tent. But with glasses fogging and my headlamp not aimed right, I grew impatient and figured I would find my meal from inside my tent. So I crawled into my tent and sat down. On my sleeping bag.

I suddenly felt something hot oozing around my right butt check.

Rats.

Yep, I had sat on my meal and marinara sauce had gushed out all over the inside of the footbox of my sleeping bag.

Looking back on it now, I made another mistake by trying to wipe up the mess with a rag as quickly as possible. Which drove some of the liquid further into the bag. In retrospect, I should have pulled the bag out of the tent and held the affected part upside down while trying to clean it that way. (But in addition to be being dark outside, it was raining outside.)

So now I was worried about two things: 1) staying warm in my now wet bag/dying of hypothermia during the night and 2) that animals would be attracted to marinara sauce.

Fortunately, no animals came by. And I managed to stay warm by sleeping with my bag inside out. (Since it was the inside that had saturated, wetting the liner and some down.) I used my SOL Escape Lite Bivvy (Tyvek based) to separate me from the wetness of the marinara sauce.

The next morning I put the footbox of my sleeping bag in the nearby stream to try to flush out as much of the sauce as I could before the next night. That helped. But after my return home, I spent about fifteen hours and a half bottle of Nikwax’s Down Wash Direct to clean the rest of the sauce out. (It took about 50 iterations of "rinse & repeat." But I think it's out.)
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Day 2 of dripping springs super loop backpack.

The best surprise was seeing a desert tortoise on the trail!! My first time seeing one in the wild. I almost stepped on him. He was chilling out right on the dutchman trail, only about 1.5 miles from the Peralta TH.

We took bets as to how many cars would be at the Trailhead upon our return. I guessed 10, but at our arrival at 320p,there were actually 14. 🤣🤣
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Sad spring. Pool nearby but not great looking.

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Lots of pools after the huge rain a few weeks ago.

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Water underneath the windmill. No water elsewhere.

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Great backpack around dripping springs super loop! Went with a first time backpacker. In 20/20 hindsight, this was not a good choice. Never the less, we enjoyed our adventure. We did the loop ccw.

In general, there was pretty much water everywhere! It was beautiful and resulted in a very green desert! Lots of grass, leafed out ocotillos, and quite a bit of wild flowers.

We headed out at 7a and arrived at Reeds Water before 11a. We enjoyed a snack on the grass by the windmill. It was very green and very humid and buggy in this area. We headed back on trail out to Randolph canyon which is currently a beautiful water wonderland! So much water. We crossed the canyon and checked out the massive camping area which is currently a green meadow full of grass. Lots of great flat giant campsites.

We headed back to Randolph canyon and down towards dripping spring. This was my first time going from Reeds water to dripping spring. The canyon was amazing with so much water. There is a nice campsite just prior to dripping springs, but it is rather in vegetation and was quite buggy in the heat. The trail goes right past the campsite, and lets out at the confluence of Randolph canyon and Fraser canyon. We headed back a bit to check out dripping spring which is very underwhelming. I would hate to have to rely on that spring for water! There was a pool next to it, but it didn't look great. Currently, this is not an issue because of the massive amount water flowing in Randolph canyon.

We thought about modifying the original plan to do an out and back to dripping springs backpack, but after arriving at dripping springs at just before noon, we decided to keep going as we had the whole day ahead of us. We headed out on red tanks in the canyon. So much water around, it really is a site to behold. We stopped and filtered water at a pretty water fall before taking the trail up and out of Randolph canyon. The trail in red tank canyon was okay, just not regularly used and overgrown and rocky in parts. The red tanks trail guide written 20 years ago is still spot on for accuracy of trail conditions. 🤣🤣 The trail gets higher but the canyon (and the pools of water currently within) remain visible. The last mile before the red tanks divide is an uphill slog. The views from the divide are definitely nice. While heading down we were just looking for a campsite near water. We ended up on a nice bench with grand views just lower than the trail. There were accessible large clear pools just down in the drainage. We were only about half mile from the nice large sandy campsite at Brad's water, but having never been to the area before, we were unaware. Our campsite had great views. The moon was between half and full, and it made for a pretty night.

The next morning we were off again. The trail is nonexistent in the wash areas just after Brad's water. The route was helpful, and once out of the wash, the trail picks up again. Red tanks in general has a lot of catclaw, and sadly we did not escape unscathed. After more time in the wash, the trail goes high on the ridge making for some phenomenal views of the canyon below, the ridge, and the surrounding area. There are impressive unburned saguaros in this area, and after a while Herman Cave comes into view. About a half mile before the cave is a nice campsite. Even high up in the ridge, running water can be heard from the canyon below. We enjoyed seeing fragile arch when looking out across the canyon.

Heading down near the cave, the trail crosses the wash a couple times. This area is overgrown and has a lot of dead fall. There was also a huge pool of water, as well. The junction with whiskey springs was more of the same, water everywhere and lots of green!

The trip back to the car was uneventful. Green desert, hotter temps than desired, and no people to speak of! We didn't see any people our entire hike, woo hoo! I thought for certain we would see someone on Dutchman, but no. There were more wild flowers than I expected to see, so that was fun. The whiskey springs trail from the high point down to the junction with Dutchman is really a delight. The views in that area never fail to inspire. 🌵💚🌵💚

A great backpack in the supes. I can't wait to get back out there! 😊
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With the influx of rain, I wanted to get out in the Supes. Thought about waterfall hunting, but opted to avoid the crowds who undoubtedly had similar plans. Based on my observations, I don't think there was enough water as of Saturday to get much sustained waterfall action (though there might be now, as I'm writing this up).

Arrived at First Water TH a bit before 6:30 in the rain. Crossed several running washes along the way. From the get-go, it was just me, and I had total solitude for the next 16 miles.

I hadn't done any extensive hiking in this area since the last fire, and it was depressing to hike through mile after mile of pretty thoroughly charred wilderness. :( Evidence of the char continued all the way until about a mile from Charlebois.

I had been up to Bull Pass before, but hadn't descended the east side, nor hit the Black Top Mesa summit. The summit is a real gem, with fantastic views all around. There is a nice flat spot for a camp on the southern tip which would make for a great viewing location at sunset/sunrise, with Weaver's on display. After returning, I read about some Spanish hieroglyphs, but didn't know to look for them. Another time.

On my way down from Black Top Mesa, I was treated to a lovely rainbow off to the north. Definitely the visual highlight of the day.

Descending from Bull Pass, I clipped through the upper end of Needles Canyon, where I'd been previously after some solid rain. As with other washes, it wasn't really running, but there were lots of pools.

I continued on to rejoin the Dutchman trail. Originally, my plan was to loop back north along the Cavalry trail, which I haven't done before, but the draw of getting the Charlebois Spring and covering that section of Dutchman proved to strong, and I ended up heading that direction.

It was nice to be out of the burn area, and the sporadic cottonwoods along the creekbed stand testament to the stronger water sources in the area.

Charlebois, as always, is a lovely oasis in the Supes. No one camping there, and I again made a mental note of my desire to do so one of these days.

By that point, I was 10 miles in and realized I needed to hightail it back, as I had to pick up my wife from the airport by 3 pm. So, I turned on the jets and abandoned any thought of the Cavalry loop on the return, and instead opted to follow Dutchman proper from the eastern Bull Pass junction.

The trail through this section of Dutchman was brushy, and with the rain, ended up soaking me thoroughly. No matter. It wasn't cold and I just embraced the wet. This section also avoided the fire scar.

Saw a snake in a tree (looked like a garter) and several small orange frogs, but didn't have time to get my phone out--and with everything wet, I probably couldn't get it to respond to my swiping anyway.

The final several miles from the Black Mesa Junction back to FW were a grind. In the last couple of miles, I finally saw signs of life with one single hiker and a couple out for an afternoon jaunt in the Parker Saddle area.

Back to my car, I headed back towards Mesa just in time to get my wife's text that she had landed. Headed straight to the airport and arrived just as she was exiting the terminal. Perfect timing!
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Dutchman Trail #104Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Still on the mend from my ankle injury, but I wanted to get out for something short and easy. Andy recommended a stroll on the Dutchman, and a hike in the Supes is always good, so off to the Peralta TH we went. A small handful of cars in the parking lot when we arrived just after sunrise. The Dutchman has a small climb initially before crossing Barks Canyon wash (which was flowing nicely). The remaining part of the Dutchman to the Coffee Flat junction (which was our turnaround point) is an up-and-down rollercoaster. The temperature wasn't bad, but the humidity was cranked way up, which made it a bit unpleasant. The ankle felt okay with the brace on, but was a bit sore when we finished. Thanks, Andy, for the invite, it's always nice to get out in the Supes.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Bark at Dutchman Crossing Medium flow Medium flow
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