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Oct 11 2025
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 Gilbert, AZ
Charlebois from First Water THPhoenix, AZ
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With the influx of rain, I wanted to get out in the Supes. Thought about waterfall hunting, but opted to avoid the crowds who undoubtedly had similar plans. Based on my observations, I don't think there was enough water as of Saturday to get much sustained waterfall action (though there might be now, as I'm writing this up).

Arrived at First Water TH a bit before 6:30 in the rain. Crossed several running washes along the way. From the get-go, it was just me, and I had total solitude for the next 16 miles.

I hadn't done any extensive hiking in this area since the last fire, and it was depressing to hike through mile after mile of pretty thoroughly charred wilderness. :( Evidence of the char continued all the way until about a mile from Charlebois.

I had been up to Bull Pass before, but hadn't descended the east side, nor hit the Black Top Mesa summit. The summit is a real gem, with fantastic views all around. There is a nice flat spot for a camp on the southern tip which would make for a great viewing location at sunset/sunrise, with Weaver's on display. After returning, I read about some Spanish hieroglyphs, but didn't know to look for them. Another time.

On my way down from Black Top Mesa, I was treated to a lovely rainbow off to the north. Definitely the visual highlight of the day.

Descending from Bull Pass, I clipped through the upper end of Needles Canyon, where I'd been previously after some solid rain. As with other washes, it wasn't really running, but there were lots of pools.

I continued on to rejoin the Dutchman trail. Originally, my plan was to loop back north along the Cavalry trail, which I haven't done before, but the draw of getting the Charlebois Spring and covering that section of Dutchman proved to strong, and I ended up heading that direction.

It was nice to be out of the burn area, and the sporadic cottonwoods along the creekbed stand testament to the stronger water sources in the area.

Charlebois, as always, is a lovely oasis in the Supes. No one camping there, and I again made a mental note of my desire to do so one of these days.

By that point, I was 10 miles in and realized I needed to hightail it back, as I had to pick up my wife from the airport by 3 pm. So, I turned on the jets and abandoned any thought of the Cavalry loop on the return, and instead opted to follow Dutchman proper from the eastern Bull Pass junction.

The trail through this section of Dutchman was brushy, and with the rain, ended up soaking me thoroughly. No matter. It wasn't cold and I just embraced the wet. This section also avoided the fire scar.

Saw a snake in a tree (looked like a garter) and several small orange frogs, but didn't have time to get my phone out--and with everything wet, I probably couldn't get it to respond to my swiping anyway.

The final several miles from the Black Mesa Junction back to FW were a grind. In the last couple of miles, I finally saw signs of life with one single hiker and a couple out for an afternoon jaunt in the Parker Saddle area.

Back to my car, I headed back towards Mesa just in time to get my wife's text that she had landed. Headed straight to the airport and arrived just as she was exiting the terminal. Perfect timing!
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Dutchman Trail #104Phoenix, AZ
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Still on the mend from my ankle injury, but I wanted to get out for something short and easy. Andy recommended a stroll on the Dutchman, and a hike in the Supes is always good, so off to the Peralta TH we went. A small handful of cars in the parking lot when we arrived just after sunrise. The Dutchman has a small climb initially before crossing Barks Canyon wash (which was flowing nicely). The remaining part of the Dutchman to the Coffee Flat junction (which was our turnaround point) is an up-and-down rollercoaster. The temperature wasn't bad, but the humidity was cranked way up, which made it a bit unpleasant. The ankle felt okay with the brace on, but was a bit sore when we finished. Thanks, Andy, for the invite, it's always nice to get out in the Supes.

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 Mesa, AZ
Dutchman Trail #104Phoenix, AZ
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A quick hike with Jason along the Dutchman from Peralta TH to the Coffee Flats junction in Barkley Basin. He's still nursing his messed up ankle, so this one worked for him.

It was very pleasant starting off a little after sunrise. A few clouds and some humidity as well.

Signs of recent rains was evident from Peralta Road in and along the trail. A few muddy puddles and a wet path all the way in and back. We came across some cat prints on the way down to the basin. Not sure if it was a big bobcat or a smaller lion, but they were definitely cat paws (along with some deer tracks as well)

Barks Creek was flowing very nicely. That was a treat.

We made it to the junction and turned around. We saw one hiker with a doggy going in and another hiker coming back out. Other than that, it was a nice and empty trail.

The parking at Peralta Trailhead wasn't very busy when we got back. Considering how nice the weather was, that was surprising. After months of heat, a little break was nice. Nice to hike with Jason again and it's always good to hike in the Supes.
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Sep 27 2025
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Bluff Spring Mountain LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Stormy weather and cooler temps made it seem like a few miles in the soup could be nice. Not as humid as last weekend and temps stayed in the 70s all day with cloudiness dominating about 75% of the time (the other 25% happened whenever we were climbing a big hill ](*,) )

Wasn't sure what to expect with water, and was happy to find flows in places I wouldn't have expected. Peralta was dry. Barks was producing nicely. Bluff Spring Canyon and all the side drainages were nice higher up, less lower down. Surprisingly, LaBarge canyon was bone dry and had not even seen a hint of flow over the duration of the storm. It must just be a sponge of sand down there after a summer of little rain.

Charlebois had nice flow and downstream of there LaBarge was intermittent. The nicest flows of the day were on the way up Terrapin with flow in the drainages on all sides (and trail) all the way to within a few feet of Bluff Saddle, and then immediately flowing again on the south side and down from there.

I'm sure I had seen Wally's photo recon, but forgot or didn't realize the location ... the Marsh Valley, Calvary, Bull Pass, Dutchman area is absolutely obliterated. Pure moonscape. I didn't realize the burn had extended this far south. Ouch.

A good storm passed just to our east as we finished up, grazing us with wetting rain, but not quite enough to be completely drenched. Lightning stayed about 3-4 miles away which was nice. I rarely head out this way anymore unless conditions provide something unusual. Today worked for that.

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Barks Canyon Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Bluff Spring Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Occasional pools, especially upstream. Fewer pools farther down.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Bluff Spring Mountain Canyon Medium flow Medium flow
Some of the strongest flow seen on the day.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Charlebois Canyon Light flow Light flow
Flowing nicely. LaBarge Canyon below Charlebois was flowing intermittently with numerous deep pools.

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Canyon was flowing lightly

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max LaBarge Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
A thicket of growth if you try to get to it. Ground was wet, sound of water dripping from spring above.

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Sep 20 2025
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 Mesa, AZ
Miners Needle LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking9.79 Miles 1,749 AEG
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We saw Scott at the trailhead and he said he planned to check out Middle Canyon. Wally thought we might run into him at some point on our hike but we never did.

did the loop clockwise, getting the big climb up cardiac hill out of the way early. In Barks Canyon I saw 2 carcasses, one of which was torn apart, which made me think a mountain lion might be lurking. Wally pointed out some scrawlings on the rocks near the Peralta rock and the saddle above the Terrapin Trail that I hadn't seen before. The ones above Terrapin Trail seemed interesting to me because it says "Lost Dutchman Mine" and "no trespassing", which seems to imply that the mine is right there. Closer inspection of that one seemed like some kind of acid was used on the rock to make the marks, they weren't etched like petroglyphs.

The 2nd climb before the junction with the Terrapin Trail was in the shade because it was still early and the sun was low. Along the LDT it leveled out and I was feeling pretty spry after the uphill slog. I had originally wanted to try to add the Ely-Anderson Trail and once we got to it I suggested we hike it.

We only got about a quarter mile in when it became obvious that it wasn't a good idea. The sun was beating down and it was starting to warm up quite a bit. That trail is also very steep, faint, and has some loose rock. I was almost completely out of water once we did finish our hike, so if we had hiked all of it, the last couple of miles would have been really rough.

The descent from Miners needle has the best views on this hike. Barkley Basin has a lot of saguaro skeletons, but still a lot of saguaros left. Older pics I have show more from before, but so soon after the fire, this area doesn't look that bad at all.

Clouds started to roll in the last couple of miles, but didn't offer much shade. Humidity was up more than the weekend before, and it was still pretty hot. Finished up without incident.
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Dutchman Trail #104Phoenix, AZ
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I joined Wally for a leg stretcher out in the Supes. The sprinkles stopped about 5 minutes in and the weather was great for the hike. Nice cloud cover and a breeze! Haven't been out Dutchman from Peralta for awhile. The trail is still rocky. There are more Saguaros standing then I thought there would be after the last fire in the area. Turned around at Coffee Flat trail junction. It was a nice morning to be in the Supes! Very enjoyable outing! Thanks for driving and the hike, Wally! Like HAZ, you rock!! :y:
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Marsh Valley LoopPhoenix, AZ
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The real heat hasn't started just yet but when Chris mentioned Marsh Valley Loop I was thinking of a plan B if it got too hot. We started early and is was still nice and cool. There was even shade in Boulder Canyon for much of the way so I knew it would be good to finish the entire hike.

There was one hiker that hiked Battleship. Het passed us on the way in but I got back to the trailhead about 6 minutes before him. He said he spent a lot of time trail finding.

The trails were easy to follow. The burned out sections of Cavalry trail were open for the most part but there was some downed brush to hike around. It didn't really warm up until we hit Dutchman trail.

We saw fuana on this trip. A javelina, two deer, a rat, squirrels, a hawk and the circling vultures.
I rested a few times in the shade but once the shade disappeared I kept moving. Not a lot of hikers out but it was a nice day. I still had water left at the end. It was still frozen or I would have drank it.
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Life has been getting in the way of my getting outside...with the drop in temps, I figured I had to take advantage of it, even if it meant getting a late start and a lot fewer miles than typical for me. Was looking for something relatively easy but scenic where I could just walk and enjoy - I figured either the lost goldmine trail (again) or a walk as far as I could get taking into account my available daylight out the Coffee Flat trail from Peralta Trailhead. @00blackout suggested I hit Coffee Flat for a change in scenery, and the recommendation didn't disappoint.

Arrived at the trailhead at about 1:15 to find the main lot with a handful of spaces available, with more people coming off trail than heading in. Gathered my things, signed the register and headed off with the skies full of puffy clouds and variable winds. On the initial climb up out of the parking lot, a group of equestrians passed me on their way out. Hiking onward, I soon passed two more hikers heading out in quick succession - I had the trail to myself for the remainder of my day.

The clouds made for interesting skies, and the changing breeze made flower photography a bit dicy. Unfortunately I discovered a number of my photos were blurry (gold poppies, wirelettuce/skeletonplant, and some small purple blooms that I'm not convinced were scorpionweed. Also got a photo of a saguaro with blooms, but alas, it was too far away to be worth including). The scenery along the hike was beautiful, especially when entering areas that had stands of saguaro and ocotillo. In addition to the views, the geology underfoot proved plenty interesting, with shale, quartz, and even some obsidian making an appearance, in addition to a bunch of other rock types that I wasn't certain of.

Once I hit my designated turn around time (just shy of hitting Reeds Water / Randolph canyon), I turned around to retrace my steps - I made better time heading back, since I wasn't stopping as frequently to try to take photos of plants 😆. Made it back to the lot to find just a handful of cars remaining. Seems I started heading home just in time as my drive home was spent battling strong crosswinds and flying debris.

Wildlife: plenty of birds, mostly quail, especially in the later hours, a couple of lizards, and numerous butterflies (none of which were photographed). Spied a couple of cows close to the trail...they failed to startle me 🤭

It was fantastic to get back out on a trail, I was clearly missing it and was suffering from withdrawl. I'll definitely need to head back out along Coffee Flat when I have more time to cover more distance!
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Not very many...the cholla, prickly pear, and saguaro look like they are getting ready to put on a show, but there aren't very many buds on the plants this year.
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Black Mesa Loop - Superstition MtnsPhoenix, AZ
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Wally and I hit the trail around 6:30 to cool temps. Half a dozen cars already at the trailhead and we saw a camp here and there. We saw a young coyote in the first mile and may have saved a bunny from being eaten! 😱We saw No wildflowers today but we did see a couple green mountainsides about 4 miles in. I haven’t done this loop for awhile and it was nice to get back on it. You can’t get away from all the burn but I still really enjoy being in the Supes!! Of course remembering many previous Supes hikes and planning future ones is always on the menu! 😁Always enjoy hiking with Wally and the great temps and almost constant breeze made it for a very enjoyable outing! Good times!!
Thanks Wally! Like HAZ, you rock!
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A morning stroll with Denny to beat the heat. With the forecast warming up we hit the trail early and the breeze provided us with a cool hike. Black Mesa loop has a lot of burn but the recent rains are producing a nice green carpet. We kept a decent pace and saw several people out enjoying the trail on a weekday.
Thanks for coming out Denny.
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Battleship Mountain - SuperstitionsPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking12.68 Miles 2,247 AEG
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Today was a return to an old Superstition favorite--I've been up Battleship a few times, but it had been more than five years since my last visit. And it would (hopefully) be a redemption hike for TboneKathy--last time she tried Battleship in March 2017, we ran out of time and didn't make the top, and she took a tumble in the creek bed on the hike out that resulted in a fractured wrist. She hadn't been back since. So the goals today were simple: (1) get TboneKathy to the peak, and (2) don't break anything.

We started ~7AM from First Water TH, which was surprisingly empty for a weekend. This was my first time back there since the fires, and it wasn't great--the area around the trailhead and the first few miles along Second Water were all burned to varying degrees, and the smell of ash and charcoal was a constant until we got closer to Boulder Canyon. There were a few pools along Second Water Trail on the descent, but Boulder Canyon was almost completely dry despite the recent rain.

The use trail leading up to the south end of Battleship was more defined than I remembered and was easy to follow, then we started the fun with the first scramble up onto Battleship and continued north into the obstacles. In March 2017 we turned around just before the bridge/wall not too far from the peak, but TboneKathy was convinced today that most of the top of the ship was uncharted territory for her: "Are you sure I climbed up this before?!" Yes, you did :).

We scrambled through the various boulders and cracks and eventually crossed the bridge and reached the wall, the last big obstacle. With some pack shuttling and creative teamwork, TboneKathy made it up first, and with some further encouragement and some minor complaining through the last few obstacles, we reached summit, goal #1 complete. We had the peak to ourselves, a pleasant surprise given Battleship's popularity. There was no register on top--the pink ammo box that had been up there for years is gone. We ate lunch and enjoyed the views, then took some pictures and started down.

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As we reversed through the obstacles on the return, TboneKathy thought she saw a fox or wolf down below on the west side of Battleship, but I never caught more than a glimpse of a tail that looked a lot like a squirrel, so her sighting remains in dispute :). We heard voices and saw two guys down in La Barge Canyon, but other than one person coming down on our way up in the morning, we didn't see anyone on Battleship. The views of La Barge, Peak 2830, Weaver's Needle, Malapais, and the Ridgeline were fantastic as always and better than I remembered.

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The hike out was blissfully uneventful with no fractured bones, successfully completing goal #2. Weather-wise, the day was just about perfect, and I was happy to see TboneKathy reach the peak after waiting 8 years. Lots of great memories hiking Battleship with friends over the years, and it was fun to be back after a long time away for another memorable day.
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A few small pools, but mostly dry

dry La Barge Creek - E of Battleship Mtn Dry Dry
Viewed from above, no obvious water in the creek bed, but some pools in La Barge Box
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Dutchman Trail #104Phoenix, AZ
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A hike out the Dutchman trail to the high point before Terrapin trail. The trail is open with lots of burn to be seen. I didn't see any hikers on the way out but saw 14 others on the way back. A nice day for an early stroll.
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Whiskey West - Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
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First time doing this loop as a day hike! To add something new, we checked out the major springs along the way! 😁 My previous visit was full of water. This time everything was dry except for a few pot holes of water here and there due to the bit of rain we had a couple of days last week.

My favorite section of this loop is red tanks. The views are expansive. The red rock formations are majestic. The views on whiskey are also beautiful.

La Barge spring was a real treat. Completely surrounded by vines, the spring is hidden in its own secret lair! 🤣🤣 There is a trail carved through the vines to get there. The trail itself is a muddy slip N slide, as the spring box is overflowing and water is running down the trail like a small creek. It is quite magical!! 💧🩵💧🩵💧 The water rains down into the spring box from above. There were 2 backpackers camping at the campsite closest to the spring, and another two filled up water before heading down red tanks.

Next stop was bluff springs, which I have been by so many times and never stopped to see! 🤣🤣 From the main campsite just off the trail, follow the main trail back towards the canyon and into the trees. There are lots of game trails, but there is still one main large trail going back. Just before entering the trees, there is a large piece of sheet metal. The water is coming directly out of a pipe and splashes down onto a large rock. The flow was a consistent small stream, but you would need to catch it in something to filter.

After bluff spring, we were in the home stretch. We noted the exact location of the Ely Anderson trail for a future trip. The trail is noticeable and cairned. There was no water in bluff spring canyon. Just a few small puddles near the giant rock in the wash.

Jason pointed out the Peralta rock in Barks canyon. I don't think I have seen it before. It is hiding in plain sight! 🤣🤣

Before you know it, we were down cardiac hill and back at the car! Another beautiful winter day in the desert full of sunshine! 🙂🌵☀️ In addition to the 2 groups of backpackers we saw at La Barge, we saw another 2 groups of backpackers heading in on bluff springs. It is certainly a fine weekend for it! We saw 4 day hikers when we were starting out on Dutchman. Not too bad crowding wise. The parking lot was a zoo when we arrived at 840a. Of course, thankfully all those people confine themselves to Peralta, leaving the rest of the wilderness relatively unscathed! 🤣🤣 I normally like to get an earlier start, but had some commitments in the early morning. The drive in was also a bit of a zoo. And there were unsurprisingly 30 cars at the carney springs TH at least. Craziness!

dry Bark at Dutchman Crossing Dry Dry
Few puddles of water only.

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Water coming out of the pipe onto a large rock

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max LaBarge Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Lots of water. Spring box full and overflowing creating a mini creek of the trail leading up to the spring box. Spring is surrounded by vines.


dry Whiskey Spring Dry Dry
Didn't see anything in this exact area. There were some potholes of water here and there. And there was one area with some actively running water into a tiny pool in the creek bed.
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Whiskey West - Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
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The last time I hiked a variant of this loop was well over 20 years ago. I remembered enough to know that I enjoyed the views along portions of the trail...so when trying to find someplace to hike this weekend, I slid the route on the table, hoping it would prove amenable to my hiking partners. After a little bit of dithering, they capitulated to my request - huzzah!

We had slightly later start than usual, following the slow caravan to Peralta Trail head, but lucked out and managed to snag one of the last spaces in the lot.

After signing in at the register at the behest of the volunteer ranger, we headed off and away from the hoards heading up Peralta. Not far into the hike, well before we started heading up towards Miners Needle, we passed less than a handful of other hikers headed back out (a pair and two singletons)....we'd have the trail to ourselves until La Barge Spring, where we encountered two pairs of backpackers. As we continued on our way out the Dutchman Trail on our homeward stretch, several additional groups of backpackers appeared....including one pair with an incredibly late late afternoon start.

We were able to maintain a surprisingly fast (for me) pace, given the slightly warmer weather today. We were aided by some apparent recent trail fairies who had clipped back the catclaw to allow for unhindered walking. The views were enjoyable, and it was nice to see the both Bluff and LaBarge Springs....though the brambly vines guarding LaBarge Spring demanded a blood sacrifice 🤣 (just a drop, and fear not, the spring remained uncontaminated).

There was a tiny bit of flow observed on some slickrock in the drainage possibly near Whiskey Spring, but I wasn't paying attention to the location, so I'm not lodging an official report. All drainages and washes were otherwise bone dry with maybe a pocket or two of water that will disappear in the next few days, I'm sure.

Only wildlife of note was perhaps the largest, plushiest velvet ant I've ever seen. It was terribly uncooperative for photographs though.

Possibly of interest to some, it seems I managed to take a photo from nearly the exact same spot about 25 years apart…it’s sad to see how fires have changed the landscape.

The hike didn't disappoint, and neither did the company 😊
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Spotted one optimistic ocotillo and then some purple nightshade at Bluff Spring.

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Steady flow observed from the pipe/tube.

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The box at the spring was full to overflowing....access is up a dirt slope and then by walking very carefully over the muddy bank amongst brambles. Be careful....the brambles proved to be more bloodthirsty than the catclaw!
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Jan 22 2025
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Black Top Mesa from Peralta, AZ 
Black Top Mesa from Peralta, AZ
 
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fricknaleyTriplogs 4,149
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went out on peralta, then up and around black top mesa and back on terrapin and bluff springs. the entirety of bull pass is burnt as is most of the summit of black top mesa.

fantastic scenery the whole way. had great weather. didn't see anyone from fremont saddle until the parking lot. :)
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Jan 12 2025
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Peralta Cave Bluff Dutch, AZ 
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trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,706
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john proposed this combo after i refused to hike on south mountain again today :lol:
got going around 0745
forecast low was 35, temps were oddly warmer than that at 48 - windy though
i might have overdressed
up peralta to the saddle, down cave trail, up bluff spring, finishing on dutchman
this was a fun hike
hadn't been on cave trail in a couple years
nice to be back in the supes
we saw quite a few people along the way
thanks john, good suggestion :)
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Peralta Cave Bluff Dutch, AZ 
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Kelly wanted to get away from my beloved South Mountain. Blasphemy! I came up with a hike we hadn't done before. Turned out to be a couple miles longer than I thought it would be.
A little chilly starting out with the wind. Very nice once we got warmed up and in the direct sunlight.
We chatted with a few hikers/backpackers we came across.
Fun hike. Thanks Kelly! :)
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Dec 29 2024
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Music CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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John10sTriplogs 371
Hiking14.58 Miles 2,278 AEG
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I'd been interested in exploring Music Canyon for quite a while, and it seemed like now would be a good time with extremely dry conditions and fewer potential water obstacles in the canyon. We planned to do this one two days prior, but a dead car battery that morning delayed plans and meant an early wakeup for nothing...but always easier to be stranded at home. Once that was sorted out, we gave it another try, and the weather was still perfect.

Peralta wasn't quite as crowded as usual, and we headed up Cardiac Hill ~7:15AM, with a comfortable start at ~50°, with some much colder pockets in the lower areas. Nice sunrise and uneventful hiking along Bluff Springs and Dutchman, and after a short break near the entrance to Music Canyon, the gloves and clippers came out, and we started in.

As expected, water wasn't an issue, but the brush was relentless--it took a lot of clipping and effort just to start into the canyon, but I hoped that it would start to open up after Music Spring. There were a few small, stagnant pools around the spring and some swampy areas, but most of the canyon was dry, as expected...I'm sure having water in there would've made it more difficult. There were a few brief breaks in the brush beyond the spring, but it didn't open up nearly as much as I'd hoped--at least enough to see more than just branches--and progress was slow with all the clipping.

Boulders and increasingly thick brush forced me up on the north bank of the creek bed, and I was able to get up to a point where I could see farther up the canyon where it bends to the north. From there, it was clear that it wasn't going to get any easier if I continued, so I made that the turnaround point.

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Getting back out was much faster, following the tunnel of clipping back toward the entrance. Surprisingly, we heard the voices of two people coming into Music Canyon on our way out, but we never saw each other through the thick brush. After we were back on Dutchman, we saw two big backpacks sitting alongside the trail, presumably belonging to the voices we'd heard. I certainly hadn't expected anyone to be back in there...whoever they were, I'm sure they got a nice surprise when they found all the clipping.

We took a short lunch break near Oak Spring and saw a few cardinals, and back on Bluff Springs Trail later, we heard some rustling in the grass before a skunk popped out nearby. Fortunately, it apparently didn't feel threatened enough to spray. We finished a little after 4:30PM and saw ~5-10 people on the trails, including the two voices in Music Canyon. Nice day and a good finish to 2024 hiking, even if we only sampled the first new notes of Music Canyon...I'll have to come back with more time someday--I know there are some interesting things to find in there.
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Trickle of water coming out of the pipe

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A few stagnant pools near the spring and some swampy areas nearby
 
Dec 22 2024
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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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adillingTriplogs 407
Hiking12.82 Miles 2,848 AEG
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Another trip around the needle.

I met up with Jason at his house in Gold Canyon and we arrived at Peralta TH a little before 7am. There were already quite a few cars in the lot. We opted for a CCW loop and started up cardiac hill.

Bluff Springs Trail is in good shape. Steep as always at the start. The grass was pretty high along Barks Canyon area. We made to the Terrapin/Bluff Springs junction just as the sun was starting to kiss the ridges.

Terrapin is in pretty good shape. The typical catclaw before the saddle was there, but I’ve seen it in worse shape. The hike up to the saddle is an up and down activity, but the hike down to the Dutchman is the reason we did this CCW. That’s a steep section best done with gravity as your friend.

We made it to the Peralta/Dutchman junction and took a little break before the long trudge up to the Fremont Saddle. The 1 mile section between Terrapin and Peralta was one of the few sections in the Western Supes Jason hasn’t hiked. So, he crossed that off.

The hike up Peralta was the same non-stop up and up. The Siphon fire made it to parts of the lower Peralta Trail. You could see the ugly brown scars starting from the ridgeline going down. It was the usual “mosaic” burn pattern. Some places roasted beyond life, right next to green trees and live cacti. As we got close to the needle, the fire damage subsided. But, it did come back as we got near Piper Springs. It didn’t seem to cross the trail at any point. Once we made it to the Pinon Camp area, all signs of the fire stopped.

Jason hiked down to check out Piper Springs. He saw a trickle flowing. That was literally the only water on this entire loop. Areas that usually had some water were all bone-dry. I cannot recall seeing this place so dry in December, ever.

We made it to the Fremont saddle and saw 3-4 groups. Some out at the Lone Pine and some at the saddle. We came across some others going up and down from the saddle. I am wondering where all of the people that were parked at the TH were hiding as we saw nobody along the loop except for 1 solo hiker near the Peralta/Dutchman junction doing the same loop clockwise.

Always a treat to hit this one as the needle looks like a different formation from each side. The elevation is also broken up nicely which makes the +2800 ft aeg seem more manageable. I hope we get some rains soon. It is TOO dry out there.
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Dec 19 2024
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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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40s and windy to start the day. Temperatures rose to the low 80s, and the wind mostly died down as the day went on.

Joe planned a clockwise loop around Weavers Needle using Peralta → Dutchman → Terrapin → Bluff Springs.

Peralta Trail #102
The trail was in mostly good condition, typical of the Superstitions. This was the only trail of the day that showed evidence of burn from the Siphon Fire. The burn was minimal, and if we get any winter or spring rains, it will likely be mostly covered up. We spent some time checking out Piper Spring. There's plenty of water there, but it takes some effort to remove the two lids and collect it.

We passed one female backpacker heading out after spending a few nights in the wilderness.

Dutchman Trail #104
We were on the Dutchman Trail for a bit before making our way to the Terrapin Trail. No evidence of fire damage anywhere along this section.

Terrapin Trail #234
We climbed up the Terrapin Trail a bit, looking for shade, and stopped for lunch. While eating, we spotted a couple of backpackers below on the Dutchman. After lunch, we continued the climb, gaining two saddles five or six times. This was the warmest part of the day. Once again, no fire scars were visible.

Bluff Springs Trail #235
The section of Terrapin leading up to this trail can be thin at times. By this point, we were on the home stretch. We passed our last hiker of the day as he completed Cardiac Hill.

It felt great to get back out to the Superstitions. From what we saw today, the minimal fire scars wouldn't deter us from hiking in this area again.
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Hard to find the actual water. Located under a 2'x 2' sheet of metal and then under another cover. The pool there is at least 2' deep.
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