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Dutchman Trail #104 - 97 members in 1013 triplogs have rated this an average 3.6 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Miners Needle Loop, AZ 
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With the unseasonable warm up and commitments in the afternoon, we decided on an early meet up at Peralta trailhead for a quick 9-10 miles in the Superstitions. Was surprised to pass two vehicles headed out as I was driving in. Arrived in the lot to a surprising number of cars parked, and sighted a couple of folks heading up the hillside with headlamps.

Temps just before dawn were in the high 50's, but I knew things were going to be heating up quickly. We did the initial climb out of the parking area with the assistance of headlamps, but were able to stow them once we crested the ridge and headed on down the Dutchman. The low light had me cruising along uninterrupted...but once the sun was high enough, I commenced with the documentation of the current wildflower situation 😂

While I slowed down snapping photos as I went, J sped up, having caught sight of the two that I must have seen heading up the trail when I arrived at the parking lot. Initially, I had thought one of them might be Wally, since they were wearing a bright orange long-sleeved sunshirt - but since I seemed to be gaining on them even with my dawdling for floral photography, I figured there was no way it could possibly be him (it wasn't).

Caught up to J at the junction with Coffee Flat and started the climb up heading up along side Miner's Needle. With our pre-dawn start, it enabled us to get most of the climbing done in shade, but even with that advantage, it was still feeling rather warm when we gained the saddle.

After taking a quick break, we continued on down the Dutchman, heading towards Bluff Springs. The trails, as one might expect, are well trodden and clear for the most part - some of the early sections of the Dutchman heading across the basin are seeing some brittle bush encroachment, and as we headed down from the saddle and made our way towards the Bluff Springs junction, there are sections where the grasses are thick and tall.

After another quick stop in the dry crossing near Crystal Spring, we continued on our way along the Bluff Springs trail. No significant differences noted on trail condition from the last time we were in the area - other than the fact that the grasses are definitely drier than they had been. I can't help but worry over the upcoming wildfire season.

It wasn't long before we hit the Terrapin junction and Barks Canyon. The rest of the hike out was uneventful - the small climbs on the way to cardiac hill were a little toasty. As we made our way back to the trailhead down cardiac hill, we saw a number of folk along the Peralta Trail, and the parking lot was nearly full.

Other People: A few more than I expected, given the fact that it was a weekday and the temps were expected to be warm. We saw three pairs and two solo travellers along the loop.

Wildlife: Heard an owl and plenty of birdsong, especially in the early hours of the hike. A number of butterflies, and a lizard or two.

Not sure if the road has been graded since the last time I drove it; it seemed smoother than I remembered. With the warm temps expected, I was slightly surprised to see several cars heading in towards the trailheads as I made my way out. In addition to the mostly full Peralta lot, the Wave Cave/Carney Springs parking area was also nearly full. Several crews were working on the fenceline that is going up on either side of Peralta Road. Was most surprised to catch sight of a couple of longhorns hunkered down right along side the road in some shade.

Thanks for suggesting this loop, J - it was good to get out and into the Supes again. Hopefully we see the temps cool back down again before the official warm season hits.
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Dutch - Whiskey - Bluff Springs Loop, AZ 
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Good as usual. They are in a losing battle stringing new barbed wire fencing. Stretches of supplies. Stretches of two wires. Perhaps half done. Three to four breaches, including one guy parked on the other side... Lol

Carney/Wave
Busy, sign posted about the closing as feng shui desert hater mentioned.

Dutch
The boring basin is a pleasant cheery green. Miner's Needle approach is at it's Zenith.

Whiskey
Trail condition seemed the same as always to me.

Magic Dragon
Ditto

Synopsis
Good to get out on a baby steps loop to get back into hiking. Good to see Bruce while he's still in his 60s.
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Lots of blooming brittlebush, heading up towards Miners Needle. Large stretches of small groups of 6-20 poppies. Not fields, snobs would rate it absolutely horrible. Lupine was notable, seemingly darker purple. Minimal Stinknet on hike, substantial along US60. Owl clover in one area. Phlox, buckwheat, others


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Seeping out of the boulder squashed spring box. Plenty of water nearby above and below in the creek bed.
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Dutch - Whiskey - Bluff Springs Loop, AZ 
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Hiking15.49 Miles 2,400 AEG
Hiking15.49 Miles   7 Hrs   32 Mns   2.34 mph
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The drive in to the Peralta TH is in great shape except for the final 1/2 mile, which is a bit rocky. I wouldn't take the Vette or the Lamborghini on this part, but the Subaru was more than fine.

Signs are up warning of the upcoming TH closure on March 3rd for those seeking to surf the wave from that TH, and crews are busy lining the road with five miles of fencing to keep the riffraff out. Note to those assembling the fence: you’ll have job security repairing it from said riffraff. Land mines or lasers might need to be deployed.

62 and breezy to start (Joe calls it cold, Linda calls it hot, I thought it was jussst right).
We did the CCW loop going out on the Dutchman Trail. Barkley Basin is as green as I’ve ever seen it. Based on the forecasted temps and precip outlook, it won’t last more than a couple of weeks. After making the climb to Miners Summit, we turned onto the Whiskey Spring Trail.
Whiskey Spring Canyon still has flowing water in places. We passed a pleasant British couple backpacking for a couple of days.

On the Red Tanks Trail, we passed more flowing water and pools. We took a short break at LaBarge Spring before starting our climb up the Dutchman Trail again. Lunch was in Bluff Springs Canyon, with a trickling creek and a gecko doing push-ups.

Now we’re in the homestretch on the Bluff Springs Trail. I think it’s actually harder going down Cardiac Hill than up. 82 degrees to finish, but the breeze kept it palatable. Good catching up with Joe-Joe the wonder chimp.
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout I didn't check the spring box, but flowing water both upstream and downstream from the location indicated on the topo map
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Supes day today. We got started from First Water around 0715. Warmish temps to start, but some high clouds. Took Dutchman to Bull Pass, then Bull Pass up to Black Top Mesa. The moments of shade were nice. Nice break atop the mesa, with a good breeze.

Continued east on Bull Pass, a moment on Dutchman again, then north on Cavalry. The east half of Cavalry could use some work. The trail is vague and brushy in spots. At one point, Kelly was leading, and she stopped abruptly and said “cameras.” We obeyed immediately and got some nice pics of a Gila monster on the trail. He looked a bit underfed. Lunch break in some shade, then the western half of Cavalry was in better shape. I wished the breeze had stuck around. Saw two sort of lost hikers. We provided no helpful information.

North on Boulder Canyon. West on Second Water to finish the loop. I never like the rocky sections of Second Water. Saw five backpackers. Overall, a very quiet day. Great hike and company. Fun day.
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Plenty of flowers.

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Plenty of water in Boulder Creek
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met up with linda and bruce around 0715 at first water
the initial objective was black top mesa, then to be determined
dutchman, bull pass and up the well defined use trail to btm
such a great spot with 360 views of the superstitions and some inscriptions to hunt for
we took a break here just enjoying the surroundings
back down to bull pass, we decided to complete the marsh valley loop
nice to see things from the opposite direction
cavalry trail is kind of a mess from fire and flooding
we spotted a gila monster on the trail
took a lunch break along the way
dropped into boulder canyon and finished up on second water
nothing like a big uphill at the end of a long day
good combo of a classic loop and a high point
thanks for inviting me! always good to hike with linda and bruce :)
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great loop. beautiful day. did not see anyone after peralta saddle. nice and green.
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It had been eight years since I’d been up on Black Top Mesa, so it was definitely time for a return trip. We had a couple of loop options in mind and decided on the Marsh Valley loop after descending from the Mesa. The temperatures were pleasant throughout the day, with filtered clouds fending off the sun's stronger rays for the majority of our hike.

Dutchman Trail #104
This section of the Dutchman has never been a favorite of mine, but with all the greenery and flowers, it was actually quite nice. Passing East Boulder Canyon, you get some great views of Weaver’s Needle.

Bull Pass Trail #129
This climb really gets the heart beating! It’s short and feels like more than a 300-foot climb, but you get a bit of a break once you reach the Bull Pass Saddle.

Black Top Mesa
It’s another 600-foot gain to the top at the south end of Black Top Mesa. We checked out the petroglyphs and other assorted carvings. The views from this spot are easily some of the best in the Supes. After taking a break and enjoying the breeze, we headed down. The path across the mesa is much more defined now than it was on my last trip.

Cavalry Trail #239
We started seeing water along the Cavalry Trail, along with more evidence of previous fires. You need to pay attention along here, as the trail gets thin in spots.

Boulder Canyon Trail #103
More burn area along here, but the geology in the colored cliff bands is beautiful. We had lunch in one of the few shady spots available. As we continued, views of The Battleship’s stern came into sight.

Second Water Trail #236
This was our last "earnest" climb of the day. We also encountered our first fellow hikers here; most were backpackers on their way into the wilderness.

It was great to get back out to the Supes and hike with Kelly and Linda again.
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Poppies, Blue Richards, Owl Clover, Brittlebush, Indian Paintbrush, Fairy Duster and stinkweed to name just a few. They were substantial in pockets.

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Did not check out the spring, but it's thick, green and moist in the canyon.

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I joined a MeetUp group that was going to hit three peaks (more like a peak and two mesas) in the western Superstitions, starting from First Water Trailhead. We set out with a group of 11 at ~7:20AM and took Second Water to Black Mesa Trail, then SE toward Yellow Peak. I hadn't been up there in a few years, and it was a short but steep approach to the summit, with even better views than I remembered.

After a few minutes regrouping at the top, we dropped back down to Black Mesa Trail and continued south toward Black Top Mesa. Going up, we passed @wallyfrack, @DarthStiller and his Steelers attire, and @adilling on their way down. Up on top, the group gathered around the sunburst and enjoyed the views and a snack break before heading back down for stop number three.

We hiked north on Black Mesa Trail back toward Yellow Peak, then left the trail and hiked up the grassy meadow to the southwest toward Peak 3097. The grade wasn't bad at all, though there were lots of rocks hidden in the tall grass. I hadn't been to 3097 before and wasn't sure what to expect for views from the mesa, but it was surprisingly nice--lots of healthy saguaros up there, and that spot is perched on a cliff edge overlooking Parker Pass and has great views of Weaver's Needle, Yellow Peak, Malapais, and the Goldfields.

We finished off the hike on Black Mesa/Second Water Trails again and were done a little after 2PM. Didn't see any interesting wildlife (as expected with a group that large), and though we didn't encounter much water, it was very green out there, with plenty of flowers blooming. Beautiful day to be outside--very warm for January, with temps pushing 80°. And nice to see @ScottHika again and meet some new people!
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Having done this hike in late November 2025, when it had been almost 4 years since the previous trip, I didn't expect to be doing this one again for quite some time.

However, Tracey had a chance to hike with a friend she had last backpacked with some 5(?) years ago (AZT in the Mazatzals) and this was the hike they came up with.

Still not quite sure how my knees would hold out on the rough downhill stuff descending from Black Mesa toward Dutchman, I prepared for the possibility of turning back around the 3-mile point by bringing my tablet. So if I turned back early I could catch up on my reading while waiting for their return.

As it turned out, we were on such a slow pace that by time I thought to take stock of how my knees felt, we were almost halfway, so I stuck with it. However, well before reaching the Dutchman Trail I was beginning to wish I turned back. It wasn't so much the knees as the lower back taking a beating on the steep, rocky and sometimes loose tread... yup, on my LEAST favorite part of this hike.

Upon reaching the Dutchman Trail we stopped for a short lunch break, before heading back on the Dutchman. This is usually the part of the trail I've been on so many times in the same direction that I detest it. The only way I could do it on this day was to get myself into a sort of trance, dropping my mind into cruise-control for the balance of the hike. Good thing my subconscious mind paid constant attention to the trail as there were plenty of rough and rocky spots which could easily have produced a hard fall.

In the end, I'm a bit surprised how many photos I took in the last few hours, because even now I hardly remember taking them.
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Superstition 4x Summit Super Loop, AZ 
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I hadn't done a long hike in a few months, and since Joe hasn't planned anything crazy recently, I decided to get out for a longer hike in the Superstitions. I chose an old @LJW route that I'd my eye on for a few years that covered 25+ miles and hit four summits (Bluff Spring Mountain, Miner's Summit, Picacho Butte, and Coffee Flat 4621), with ~ 40% of the miles off-trail. Picacho and Coffee Flat were new ones for me and were the main attractions.

Peralta TH to Bluff Spring Mtn Summit
I packed 3.5+ liters of water, a purifier, and extra gear for a long day and set out from Peralta by flashlight just before 6AM. I carried the bear spray in case there were any lingering rabid bobcats or thirsty cougars still prowling the Peralta area after the recent closure. I covered the first few miles in the dark, with stars overhead and comfortable temps, and the sky was just starting to lighten as I reached the Terrapin intersection. I left the trail west of Bluff Spring Mountain and took a direct route up to the summit, arriving just before 8AM with beautiful views of the sunrise lighting up Weaver's Needle and the Goldfields. [ youtube video ]

Bluff Spring Mtn to Miner's Summit
From the summit, I hiked SE across the mountain and descended on Ely-Anderson, my first time on that trail. Steep, but fairly well cairned and not too tough to follow. I connected with Dutchman and left the trail after a short distance to hike up the N/NE side of Miner's Summit, a 'miner' bump on the route relative to the terrain ahead. I was on summit #2 just after 9AM and took another short break on top, with Coffee Flat Mountain looming to the east. [ youtube video ]

Miner's Summit to Picacho Butte
Coming down from Miner's Summit, I saw two guys at the saddle below, the first people I'd seen all day. They continued east on Whiskey Spring, and I passed them before leaving the trail and to start up the ridge past the Circle benchmark toward Coffee Flat. Views were fantastic from the ridge, and the route looked straightforward, though the final approach is deceptive from a distance with 4621 hidden behind a false summit.

I generally stayed west of the rock outcroppings along the ridge, and there were two steep uphill stretches. The toughest part was skirting around the west side of 4562, the false summit that's visible from a distance--that involved a lot of side-hilling on a very steep grade that slowed the pace, but I dropped down to a ridge leading to Picacho Butte. The were a couple small false summits along the way, and the high point is a little north of 4294 label on the map, but the views were great. I was on summit #3 at ~11:20AM, and it was very cool to finally be up there after seeing Picacho from below so many times over the years.

Picacho Butte to Coffee Flat Mtn 4621
I ended up improvising on the route to 4621--the route I was following went back the way I came and would've followed the rugged ridgeline that runs SW of the summit. It looked like that would require more aggressive side-hilling around some large rock formations, so I decided to try a more direct route at 4621, first dropping down into a drainage west of the peak...that added some elevation but looked easier and more efficient than another round of side-hilling. I found a spot to scramble down into the drainage and exit the other side...the climb was steep but worked well, and I was on top of Coffee Flat about an hour after leaving Picacho. Once again, great views in all directions with 4621 being one of the highest peaks in that vicinity. [ youtube video ]

Coffee Flat Mtn 4621 to Red Tanks Divide
I dropped down the SE side of the summit, which was steeper than I expected. There were a couple of especially steep, rocky scrambles going down, first leaving the summit and another farther down as I dropped into one of the drainages, which had some small pools and trickling water. The route eventually leveled off and wasn't too brushy on the way to Red Tanks Divide.

Red Tanks Divide to Peralta TH
Finally back on trail with ~11 miles to go, I stopped and filtered water at a nice pool south of the divide. Red Tanks Trail was easy to follow and not nearly as overgrown as I expected, so the miles passed quickly. I'd never hiked that section of Red Tanks and was pleasantly surprised by the scenery approaching Dripping Spring--flowing water, flowers, beautiful cliffs, and some fall color. I crossed paths with two people camped near the spring, and one of their dogs enjoyed following me and barking...I wondered for a while if he planned to stick with me all the way back to Peralta :). The impressive scenery continued along Coffee Flat Trail, and I stopped by Reeds Water before continuing onto Dutchman in late afternoon shadows and finishing off the loop a little after 5PM.

Summary
Fantastic loop, and one of the most memorable Superstition hikes I've done. I saw four people and two deer all day and covered a lot of ground...great sunrise and scenery, perfect weather, explored some new territory and visited two new peaks, and didn't pick up too many scratches. Good day all around :).

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Didn’t get a good look because people camped nearby but creek had light flow...presumably, the spring was dripping

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After rescheduling from last week due to weather, Kelly and I headed out to hike the Red Tanks Super Loop today. Got to Peralta while it was still dark. As we were getting ready, a familiar looking vehicle pulled into the lot, but I couldn't see the driver. Kelly and I headed out on Dutchman to do the loop counter-clockwise. After a little more than a mile, Wally showed up behind us. So I really did recognize the vehicle. His plan for the day also had him heading the same direction, so we were a trio for another five miles or so as we headed east on Coffee Flat.

After showing us a unique rock pile, Kelly and I continued on Coffee Flat while Wally headed out to his planned adventure. The area has seen some flooding, and we found it easier at times to stay in the creek bed instead of attempting to follow obliterated trail. Plenty of hopping over water and dodging occasional quicksand was involved.

We turned onto Red Tanks Trail, which has also seen some flooding. Again, we opted to stay in the creek bed in places. Some catclaw as we climbed up towards the divide, and the trail was pretty rough in places. Once over the divide, the trail improved. We had lunch near the Hoolie Bacon junction, then continued west. Once past the junction with Whiskey Springs Trail, the rest of Red Tanks trail was in good shape. I topped off my water somewhere along here, but if I die soon, it was because I didn't filter it.

South on Dutchman, then turned onto Bluff Springs Trail. From there, we had mostly shade as the sun dropped lower. Temps were more pleasant too. The final few miles went by quickly as we completed the loop, arriving back at the trailhead right at sunset. Great hike and nice to get some good mileage for the day! Plenty of water along the entire route.
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Looks more like late February out there.

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Jan 13 2026
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 phoenix, az
Red Tanks Super Loop - Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,843
Hiking22.89 Miles 3,789 AEG
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linda suggested a hike in the superstitions
rescheduled due to last week's weather
we met up at 0600 and got going before 0700
headlamps for a mile
wally caught up with us between one and two miles along dutchman
we hiked together until he turned off at a drainage he wanted to explore off coffee flat
before then, he showed us an obscure rock pile - a worthy off trail detour
red tanks trail was not a trail the first half mile, until climbing out of the creek
some catclaw and other brush on the east end, much better after descending from the divide
labarge canyon is always scenic, with part of it easy walking
we took a break at the hoolie bacon intersection
tried to find labarge spring, were close but the area looks different than i remember
finished up on dutchman and bluff spring late afternoon
great loop, new combo for me although i've done dripping springs super loop thirteen years ago and all of the trails
red tanks wasn't as overgrown as expected
water flowing everywhere
saw seven people the entire day
nice to be out on a couple of trails i haven't been on in years
thanks linda, great day!
*using linda's stats, mine were very close
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Jan 10 2026
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 Joined Jul 05 2006
 Mesa, AZ
Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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DarthStillerTriplogs 897
Hiking13.41 Miles 3,185 AEG
Hiking13.41 Miles   8 Hrs   34 Mns   1.66 mph
3,185 ft AEG      28 Mns Break
 
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Wally and I got started around 6:15 from the Peralta TH in the dark. Just past the 1 mile mark we didn't need headlamps anymore and soon after the daylight was upon us. We got to Freemont Saddle before seeing other hikers, but I could a group catching up to us. Once we were on the other side of the saddle we were back in the shade and the hikers weren't on our heels anymore. Near Freemont Saddle there were several spots with ice on the trail, either from frozen puddles or the trickling water across the trail that froze.

The Peralta Trail is nearly half this hike, which I forgot. I've done this twice before and it's been at or over a decade between each time, so my memory fades with age. Along Peralta near the camps the hikers caught up with us again, but they were actually climbers, and soon got off the trail and headed up to summit Weaver's Needle. Saw a few more hikers along Peralta before making the turn onto LDT and heading up another hill.

At the junction of LDT and Terrapin we took lunch. The hike up Terrapin in this direction is mostly uphill, with a couple valleys to walk through. The first climb to Terrapin Pass is the worst, steep with loose rock. After that, the uphills are a shallow slope and solid footing, which I don't mind. Along this trail I heard a yell, which I think was the climbers as they summitted Weaver's Needle. At first I thought it might a bird or an animal, but when I looked at the summit, I spotted a sun reflection off of a camera or phone or something, so I knew the climbers were there. I called out to Wally and he spotted them too. I managed to get a couple decent shots of them for as far away as we were.

The downhill parts of the hike after Bluff Saddle were as bad the uphill parts, or worse. Part of getting older. None of it was that bad, it's just that uphill isn't as bad anymore for me, and downhill hurts the joints and feet. Talked to a hiker who passed us who had just flown in from Pittsburgh and was in for the weekend.

got back to the TH after 2:30, making for over 8 hours for the day. I remember this hike taking that long 13 years ago, it didn't take too much more time this many years later, which is good. Temps were very cool the entire time, which helped pay off the gamble I made to pack less water.
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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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wallyfrackTriplogs 1,766
Hiking13.41 Miles 3,185 AEG
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3,185 ft AEG      28 Mns Break
 
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I had not hiked this loop in a while so when Chris told ne was hiking it I was in. The hike up Peralta to Fremont Saddle was the usual grind but it kept us warm in the early morning cool. There was some wind near the saddle but that came and went all day.
The trail is easy to follow but there is some overgrowth due to the wet fall. With the early start up Peralta we didn't see a lot other other hikers until we were back to the Cave trail. The temps stayed moderate all day and this made for a good workout.
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Jan 03 2026
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 Ahwatukee, AZ
Black Top MesaPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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LindaAnnTriplogs 2,793
Hiking12.88 Miles 2,347 AEG
Hiking12.88 Miles   6 Hrs   6 Mns   2.31 mph
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Chris was in town while traveling between CA and NM, so we made plans to hike today. Got started from First Water around 0730. East on Second Water, then south across Black Mesa.

Ran into an acquaintance (Shea) as we got onto Dutchman. Chatted for a moment, then continued in opposite directions. Headed up Bull Pass, which has seen some erosion, then up Black Top Mesa. Humid on the climb. Took a break at the top, then headed back down. Took Dutchman all the way back to the trailhead. The clouds for the final few miles were nice.

Lots of green out there. Great to see Chris again!
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Jan 03 2026
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 Chandler, AZ
Double Black Mesa Figure Eight, AZ 
Double Black Mesa Figure Eight, AZ
 
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John10sTriplogs 398
Hiking15.51 Miles 2,058 AEG
Hiking15.51 Miles   8 Hrs   5 Mns   2.06 mph
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First hike of the year and first time back in the Superstitions since last spring. We started from First Water TH ~8AM, with quite a few vehicles already there, but the trails didn’t seem too busy. We stayed on Dutchman headed for Black Top Mesa, and water was hit or miss along the way--some crossings and drainages had small pools or a light flow; others were completely dry. But everything was greener and more overgrown with grasses than my last trip to the Supes, and wildflowers were blooming nicely.

We took Bull Pass Trail around the north side of Black Top and looped back around on Dutchman. The sky clouded over and remained mostly cloudy the rest of the day, so the lighting wasn't the best for pictures, but the stretch between Black Top Mesa and Palomino Mountain is always colorful and scenic. We stopped for a break along the drainage, then completed the loop and took Black Mesa Trail back toward First Water to make it a figure-eight and avoid repeating trails on the way out.

We saw a total of ~15-20 people on the trails over the course of the day by the time we finished. These were all familiar trails and locations, but it was a nice medium-length hike and good to get back out in the Superstitions.
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Medium pool and light flow along the trail west of the water marking

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228563
Dec 28 2025
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Bluff Spring Loop & Weavers View AZ, AZ 
Bluff Spring Loop & Weavers View AZ, AZ
 
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mikemcgTriplogs 132
Hiking10.46 Miles 2,004 AEG
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Arturas and Jelena were dog-sitting for a mini bichon frise named Popcorn, and we decided to take the little rat out for a nice walk in the Superstitions.

The parking lot was full at 0940, so we parked in a space about 0.2 miles away from the trailhead. It was about 60° when we started, and quickly went up to the high 70s / low 80s. There were 2 bighorn sheep up in the mountains that were visible from the trailhead. First sheep we've seen in the Supes.

This was our second time doing this loop, and it did not disappoint. The desert was remarkably green and beautiful from all the recent rain, with wildflowers everywhere. Popcorn was able to keep up for the first 2-3 miles, but the little princess preferred to be carried for most of the rest of the way. We passed Miner's Needle and all the other cool rock formations. We decided not to take the detour over to the view of Weaver's Needle, with Popcorn being the deciding vote.The final 2 miles were uneventful except for some occasional slips on the loose rocks. We headed straight to Hundred Mile Brewery for a perfect end to the adventure.

Overall a beautiful day with great views and good times. Although the lot was full, we saw only 5 other people (and one dog) total on this loop. We did't get many opportunities for hikes in 2025, but this was a good one to end the year.
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Dec 10 2025
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Peralta to Dripping Springs, AZ 
Peralta to Dripping Springs, AZ
 
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DesertNymphTriplogs 135
Hiking14.75 Miles 1,788 AEG
Hiking14.75 Miles   8 Hrs   3 Mns   2.04 mph
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It seems the last time I hiked out Coffee Flat, I turned around just shy of Reeds Water due to time constraints...while we were a bit limited on time, we still had a good day of it and made it out past Reeds Water to the Randolph/Fraser confluence via the longer route out of Peralta TH.

To make the most of our day, J insisted on hitting the TH during morning twilight. I was surprised there were a number of cars in the lot already, given that it was the middle of the week. With the sun not yet risen, the temps were a bit chilly starting out, but things warmed up quickly.

We made good time heading out the dutchman, and were surprised to come across a solo backpacker with a campfire going (or perhaps he was just finishing breaking camp since he came along behind us not too long afterwards...singing all the while). While we headed off the Coffee Flat trail, our serenading soloist continued up the Dutchman towards Miner's Needle. I'm not sure how I always manage to forget how rocky the trails can be, especially out in the western superstitions. I had recalled from my previous visit that I enjoyed the scenery, but somehow completely forgot how rocky the tread underfoot was 😆 additionally, I may have also forgotten how not flat the trail is. The surrounding views though, those I did remember correctly 🙂

As we popped over the saddle where I turned back previously and worked further east, the Reeds Water windmill came into view, with the trees in the area showing a little bit of color. We wandered over to the Windmill area to have a look at the well before continuing on the trail to Randolph Canyon. The drainage clearly had flashed, with the stream bed appearing much wider now and some areas along the banks very much scoured of vegetation with tree roots freshly exposed. Finding the tread was sometimes quite tricky with all the debris and the changes in the drainage.

We eventually made it to the confluence with Fraser - I wandered up to the sign and to have a look up Fraser. The character of the area has changed a lot, with lots of boulders and sand having been moved into the area. Much of the bedrock is now partially obscured, and there's no telling if it will scour clear again in the future. We stopped to enjoy the sounds of the running water for a bit before returning to the trailhead.

Other people: aside from the singing backpacker, there was a pair heading in down the Dutchman as we were heading out, and a group of five equestrians that passed us just as we hit the saddle coming back out near the trailhead.
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the brittlebush are out in force!

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Bluff Spring Mountain LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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00blackoutTriplogs 218
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It's been a tough week for me personally, after learning on Tuesday that I had been laid off. One positive from that is I could hike more and possibly hit my personal goal for the year. I've done this loop multiple times, and after seeing Joe and The Eagle do this loop last week, I thought it would be good to hit it up again. S and I arrive at Peralta TH a little after 7 with only 3 other cars in the lot. I live 15 minutes away from the TH, and there was zero wind at my house, but the wind was pretty gusty when we got there, and it was freezing pumpkin cold with it. I had never done this loop CCW, so I figured it would be a nice change of pace, completely forgetting about the torturous climb up to Terrapin Pass, where I cussed and complained the entire way, good thing S was ahead of me and did not get stuck listening to it. :lol:

Bluff Springs
I despise cardiac hill (going up and down) as it gets your breathing heavy right off the start. A little brushy on the way down and a bit worse in Bluff Canyon, more grass than anything. The trail is good all the way through.

Dutchman
It's a Savannah near Bluff Springs with hidden rocks ready to snap your ankle every chance they get. Brushy near Holmes Spring, this section always drags for me; it's kind of blah and long. We did not stop at La Barge, but a little bit of color started there and at Oak Spring. Quick break at a nice camping site near Oak Spring, and we continued. S had never seen the master map, so we made a quick detour to check it out and then headed up to Charlebois. The spring is full of decent-looking water, like it always is; had lunch at the campsite near the spring and continued. A little before the Calvary junction, we hit the Siphon fire burn area, which fried the huge Saguro that was right off the Dutchman. The trail through the burn was good, as it's been travelled pretty frequently, it would seem. The burn ended a bit up the Dutchman, stopping just before some of the riparian areas before Terrapin; however, it did make it to the huge swimmer that used to be a pretty cool spot.

Terrapin
I have a love/hate relationship with this trail. The climb up to the pass completely sucks, but I really enjoy the rock formations on the Bluff Spring end. We took a break once we made it up to the pass to catch our breath and my legs. From the pass to Bluff Saddle, the trail is brushy, and you need to keep your eyes open for carins to help through some of the areas.

Uneventful hike back to the TH, getting back a little after 5. This is the most miles I've done on my ankle since injuring it. While it was very sore after 5ish miles, it felt fine the day after. It was good to get out in the Supes to try and clear my mind. Thanks S, for joining.
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Tons of water in the creek.
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Bluff Spring Mountain LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Because once up Terrapin this year wasn't enough.... 😆

Headed out to do a long loop that's been on my "should revisit" list. Swung by J's place to pick him up before sunrise, saw some cars at the Carney Springs Trailhead, and arrived at the Peralta lot to find only three other cars there. As we were driving out, we noticed that the winds had apparently decided to build as sunrise approached. Sure enough, as we got out of the car, we were shocked with the cutting breeze...I guess the good news is we would surely warm right up tackling cardiac hill straight away!

As expected, cardiac hill certainly got us warm, but sweat plus the breeze wasn't a good pairing. In an attempt to temperature regulate, I opted to peel off my wicking layer and continue onward with my windbreaker - this proved to be semi-successful, though I was then stuck with the windbreaker sleeves clinging to my sweaty arms...better than being stuck either freezing or overheating, I suppose. Oh the joys of re-discovering out how best to temperature regulate on the fly 😆

We had talked briefly about hitting this loop clockwise vs counter-clockwise. I didn't have any strong opinions on the matter...loose rocky nonsense on a grade is not particularly delightful in either direction. J seemed interested in hitting in CCW, so that's what we opted for. Sections of the Dutchman trail are playing peek-a-boo with tall grasses, requiring a fair bit of attention to ensure good foot placement. Saw a bit of color on the trees at the various springs as we passed. The sun had finally climbed high enough and the wind had mostly disappeared by the time we made Oak Spring, so we had a quick break to shed layers back to our more typical hiking attire before continuing onward to Charlebois and a quick visit to view the master map (thank you for showing it to me, J - I suspect I wouldn't have easily found it on my own!).

After a break to refuel near the spring, we continued on our way, eventually entering the burn region. I don't have strong memories of what the area looked like pre-fire, and I don't seem to have any photos from "way back when" to give myself a refresher. J showed me a photo of the big stately saguaro that was just off trail that is no more 😭

Soon enough, we found ourselves at the junction with Terrapin. Same as my previous visit, I was hitting this section late in the day after covering some decent miles. The climb up this time was easier - I'd like to think my conditioning has improved significantly since the last time I gave it a go. Still slow, but didn't seem to require the stops that I recalled having to make the last time I did it. When the trail gets close to the watercourse in the section before Bluff Saddle, things got a little faint at times with the overgrowth obscuring the way. Once we closed the loop, it was an easy return to the trailhead, making our way back down cardiac hill during golden hour.
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Didn't find the actual spring, but there is plenty of flow in the nearby creekbed.
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