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 Chandler, AZ
Copper Lion Loop, AZ 
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Hiking21.22 Miles 5,040 AEG
Hiking21.22 Miles   19 Hrs   14 Mns   1.41 mph
5,040 ft AEG   4 Hrs   10 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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Synopsis: The Dislocation Debacle (TL;DR Version)
Hiked with @joebartels for the first time on the Lion Mountain/Copper loop that he completed last month. Planned on a 10-12 hour hike, first portion was relatively smooth sailing up to 4608, across the ridge to 4570, and back down the mountain. Second portion less smooth: storm passed through and drenched us, Joe dislocated his shoulder and couldn't get it popped back in, I accidentally discharged some bear spray, we missed a key turn to leave the creek bed, then had a slow hike out in the dark that finally ended after midnight, missing our 10-12 hour target by an hour...or eight.

Full Version
Well, that didn't go as expected...this was my first time meeting and hiking with Joe, and what we'd optimistically hoped would be a 10 to 12-hour day took over 19 hours. I'd had Lion Mountain on my list for a while, and Joe can't seem to stay away after two trips in November :). When he posted plans for a return trip on HAZ, I was in. He completed this loop solo in ~14 hours a few weeks ago [ photoset ] , and we figured with his knowledge of the route and two of us navigating, we could shave a few hours off that.

We left the valley at ~3AM and took off from Mormon Grove Trailhead just before 5AM with our headlamps on and clear, starry skies overhead. We cruised through the early miles and were around to the northwest side of Saddle Mountain on Copper Camp Trail for the sunrise, then Lion Mountain came into view a little farther along as the peak got hit with the first sunlight of the morning.

We left the trail after ~8.5 miles and started working our way down among the drainages into a new area of the Mazatzals for me, one with geology that reminded me of parts of the Superstitions. Joe and I took a break at the base of Lion Mountain and ate a snack before we started the ascent, and at that point we were a few hours ahead of Joe's previous time, having also started earlier than he did last time.

Dream Ridge had two cliff bands to navigate, a lighter lower one and a darker upper band, but there was only one spot that required a minor scramble, and we stayed left of both bands and made good progress despite the steep grade. Closer to the ridgeline, I made a regrettable route choice and took a more direct route at the peak than Joe's 11/13 route. Shorter distance-wise, but that took us through a lot of steep, loose scree and ultimately slowed us both down. Still, we reached the top of Lion around noon.

There was a large cairn on top, but no summit register that we found. We spent ~40 minutes on top eating lunch and enjoying the awesome panoramic views--Bartlett and Horseshoe are both visible, many of the Mazatzal landmarks (Saddle, Peeley, Sheep, Catherine, Davenport, etc.), Four Peaks, Ord, SB, the Superstition Ridgeline, Weaver's Needle, Red Mountain, and more. Some clouds started to gather, and it looked like rain was falling to the north, but the forecast that morning had said clear skies.

Lion 4608: [ youtube video ]

We followed Lion Ridge over to Peak 4570...nice views, but the peak isn't as prominent as 4608, and it's not immediately obvious where the high point is [ youtube video ] . From there, we dropped down the ravine on the southeast side of the mountain. No major obstacles there, but slow going with steep terrain and lots of cactus, loose rock, and some brush. Clouds gathered and started sprinkling on us as we got to the creek bed at the bottom, and then it poured as we approached the South Fork of Sheep Creek, soaking us pretty good with 6+ miles to go. Fortunately, the heavy rain only lasted a few minutes.

We still had a shot at making it out around sunset, but the wheels came off as we approached the confluence of Tournament Creek/Sheep Creek. There was water in the creek bed in areas it had been dry for Joe on his 11/13 loop, so we had a few minor creek crossings to deal with. One spot had a tricky, uneven landing spot on the far side, and Joe asked for a hand for stability as he crossed. I took his right hand and pulled as he stepped across, and he went down: dislocated shoulder. Excruciating pain.

He spent some time trying to pop it back in and had me push and pull at different angles, but it wasn't going back in. We still had 4-5 miles to go, most of it off-trail, and Joe was in extreme pain and had no good arms with plenty of scrambling and rough/brushy terrain between us and the trailhead. But he felt like if we could get out of the creek bed, he'd be able to make it out.

With water in the creek that would require wading to reach our exit point, I scrambled up the south bank to scout out a possible shortcut and thought I found one. With a lot of pain, effort, and scratches, Joe was able to join me up on south bank of the creek, but something didn't look right. As the sun set, Joe realized we were heading down Sheep Creek when our exit point out of the creek bed was on the side opposite us, starting up Tournament Creek...the HAZ topo map in that part of the Mazatzals is shifted ~210', which added to the confusion when we were studying Route Scout. We'd just wasted a lot of time and effort climbing up that bank and would have to backtrack.

I had my backpack on and Joe's pack slung over my shoulder...in hindsight, a little too close to a cannister of bear spray on my belt. When I stumbled into some brush, his pack knocked the safety clip off the bear spray, and it discharged. Luckily, it sprayed directly into my side, and we only got a whiff of spray with no ill effects, but I had a burning sensation on my skin for the rest of the night. I didn't realize it until later, but somewhere in the darkness and chaos around there, I also lost a pair of sunglasses.

We regrouped, pulled out the headlamps, and worked our way slowly back down the rocky bank, waded east, and Joe found the correct exit point from Tournament Creek. I helped brace him and support his weight so he could avoid putting pressure on the dislocated shoulder as we climbed up a short wall, and we worked our way up the 100' ascent out of the creek and continued east. We settled into our rhythm for the next few hours: Joe took the lead, I brought up the rear with the packs on my back and both our phones out, plugged into portable chargers, navigating with Route Scout and directing Joe while trying not to snag phone cords on brush in the dark.

Before the next big obstacle, we had cell reception and sent some "don't send S&R" texts to people back home. Then we tackled the 400' climb up to 4642, which took over an hour to cover the steep, loose ~0.25-mile. We went up side-by-side, one step at a time with me bracing Joe under his left arm and taking careful steps to make sure we both stayed upright. It was a relief to get that one behind us, then we had a major brush battle and some navigation challenges getting around Chalk Spring, and the clippers came out again as we pushed/cut through some thick areas.

We finally had some easier hiking as we picked up horse trail near Marion Spring and eventually connected with Little Saddle Mountain Trail to complete our loop, back at Joe's truck just after midnight. After a few more unsuccessful attempts to pop Joe's shoulder back in, we started the drive, with Joe still in agony. When we arrived back in the valley ~2AM, I'd been awake for more than 24 hours straight.

Not the experience I'd imagined for my first hike with Joe--I didn't expect we'd both set personal records for longest day-hikes and that I'd literally spend the entire day with him :). But I was happy we were able to get ourselves out and tremendously impressed that Joe finished the loop with a dislocated shoulder in that terrain in the dark : rambo : . It's a beautiful area and a day I'm sure we'll never forget, even if there are parts we'd like to :). Great meeting Joe and a huge thank you for organizing the hike and doing the hard work establishing the route last month. Despite the obvious setbacks, I enjoyed the day!
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Tournament Creek Medium flow Medium flow
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Flowing after recent rain, otherwise occasional pools
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Copper Lion Loop, AZ 
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joebartelsTriplogs 5,894
Hiking19.99 Miles 5,150 AEG
Hiking19.99 Miles   19 Hrs   29 Mns   1.09 mph
5,150 ft AEG   1 Hour   10 Mns Break
 
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Started at 4:52am
It officially got cold passing Thicket Spring turnoff. Based on the darkness I figured a new moon. We followed Copper Camp where I missed the turn weeks ago. With a preoccupied mind pondering avenues for recoding RS in my spare time along with MapDEX, like hunters destroying the forum & five days of demeaning joy, I questioned the turn. It didn't take long for us to miss another slight turn but we figured it out soon after.

8.03mi - 7:57am | 3h 5m
Off-trail, beating schedule.

I loaded up on water and added a Chocolate Coconut Luna Bar to the minimal mix. It was unexpectedly delicious and little did I know I was in close ties with a Clif relative... lol

10.54mi - 9:43am | 4h 51m
On Dream Ridge, inspiring progress. I switched wardrobes. We cleared the chalk band as I did weeks ago. We started hooking around the rock blob band. At 11.17mi John jigged instead of jagging. I mentioned this mini subtle ridge earlier, so I didn't object. Yet I should have when he opted for the shortest distance between two points. What looked like 20 feet of nuisance scree was 0.2 mi. My 3-pt contact/balance slowed to a crawl.

11.51mi - 12:04pm
I reached Lion where John had been for the past day or 15min, remarkably deciphering surrounding peaks. Enjoyed a long lunch. Then headed to 4570. Babbling returning to the descent, I missed the turn to pad our stats another 0.2mi. 23min quicker descending than my previous because John navigated so I could keep my good right hand free.

13.59mi - 3:48pm | 10h 56m
Stepped into the South Fork of Sheep Creek. A sprinkle on a minimal cloud day escalated to a short soaking. We got out and skirted the creek on a game trail where it was to our advantage. Then back down to the known good pool and John pumped water... smarter than my carry the weight option.

The creek had a light flow vs occasional pools on my previous recent hikes. Despite never slipping or falling, I turned the tables on being way ahead of schedule and John offered to carry my pack. A new pool from recent moisture put a thorn in staying dry.

John scrambled up the right. I disagreed but held my tongue because the dude was carrying my pack and cutting a path up a 40° slope for an idiot who couldn't use either hand. John was excited to find a game trail. I knew it wouldn't pan out but it quickly deciphered what needed to be corrected. I've never driven and been correct about something so I was on cloud nine.

Backtracked and walked through the inevitable pool(72.4° left/ 90° right) getting the turn into Tournament Creek.

4:12 Up Up & Away
I waited at the precarious cactus scramble for John to yipper barefoot through the creek and let him take out some anger on the cactus. Bonus time dwindled to even. My state was making progress 3-5 times slower.

5:30pm Base of 4642
John went above and beyond, carrying my pack, and navigating out. In addition, he steadied my steps up the 1h 8m 400 ascent of 4642. Heading over to Chalk it was easy to see when Fountain Hills was in view due to the sliver moon, so we sent out still-alive messages when a signal surfaced.

Chalk and Marion continued their previous beats of wreaking havoc. John clipped Chalk so scratch that off no reason to return.

9:35pm Trail!
Despite a horrible fall risk and impossible to match the opening 18.5,17.3,16.3(AYFKM),18.3-minute miles, I led as fast as I could. Reviewing splits, still slow...lol

Synopsis
It was great to meet John and I am grateful for his above and beyond help in a bad situation. Several of the early-mile past-hike stories had funny transitions as the day progressed. My favorite was when John asked, so how does this hike rank on memorable hikes?

Be careful, it's a jungle out there.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Tournament Creek Medium flow Medium flow
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Flowing, because it poured on us a 1/2 hour earlier. Otherwise occasional pools.
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Copper Lion Loop, AZ 
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Hiking avatar Nov 13 2024
joebartelsTriplogs 5,894
Hiking19.41 Miles 5,215 AEG
Hiking19.41 Miles   14 Hrs   49 Mns   1.37 mph
5,215 ft AEG      42 Mns Break
 
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There were only two or three campers on the drive-in and nobody at the trailhead. Started at 5:41 a.m. with a shooting star. A little into the hike, Fountain Hills illuminates the skyline. Perhaps the Payson lights can be seen from the north end of the wilderness. A mile in it started to get light.

My squeeze valve was leaking, so I was drinking as much as possible early on. Hydration would be key today with a slight fever and a sore throat. Having worked every breathing moment since the last hike I neglected to get a few things done like getting the foxtails out of my shoes... Lol

Sheep Creek Trail
This trail is well maintained in the upper former AZT portion. Approaching Thicket Spring Trail, Sheep is a small group of unburned tall pines. I thought wow, what a nice camping area until I realized the insulation layer harbored deep freeze temps. Shortly after Thicket Spring Trail, Sheep was more the type of trail I anticipated being on.

A few Hank-Bruce waypoints would'a been wise in hindsight. I went off-trail way too early, picking up a bonus gladiator round with locust. Rookie mistake, I was only 2.2 mi from the actual off-trail... Lol Copper Camp Loop Trail resembles the Audubon once you pay attention.

Evidence of well-fed bears. Viewing my loop as a clock, notably from 5-7 & 10-12.

Approaching the turn-off, I was getting bummed because I thought I was too low on water and would have to abort. Stopping to check, I had plenty and life was good. 2 minutes later, backing up to frame a Lion photo I fell. My left thigh met a rock. Albeit painful it just made sitting awkward/undesirable (I wasn't planning on sitting around).

Off-trail
Turned down off of the theoretical Copper Camp Trail at 9:52. Luckily, I planned where it mattered. The finger ridges may seem easy from a birds-eye-view but dodging the undesirables sooner than later saves resources.

South Fork Sheep Creek
Made it down to the creek. With the grapefruit on my thigh and two new blood-sprinklers tourniqueted with sun sleeves, I contemplated skipping the goal, walking the creek, and turning in my man card. Took some Advil and baby steps up Dream Ridge. Extending my left leg or pushing hard was no bueno. Since the right knee can not handle much fun I took baby steps and laughed at myself.

Dream Ridge
What should have taken me 35 minutes, took 97. Two bands are encountered heading up. The first is chalk or such and the second is slower weathering blobs of rock. A well-balanced hiker with a good pair of hands might get through both. I dodged both hooking left. It's an average 45° grade for the main leg, so I would rather ascend.

Lion Mountain 4608
The views from 4570 last week were pretty good but I needed to evaluate the feasibility of other ideas. Strong 4G like 4570. 25 minutes to evaluate, start lunch, and let someone have a clue where I was if things didn't pan out. That's step one if you do them in order. Parted ways @ 2 PM.

Lion Ridge
It's pretty easy but it's not a relaxing stroll. I had two options to get down. The subway route I took last week is guaranteed but I wanted to try the Southwest Ravine to save ground.

Southwest Ravine
It might work all the way up but there is a band at the top I didn't have time to explore. In favor of higher odds, I hooked it early where it was easy to drop. No biggie but more cactus and brush to dodge than Dream Ridge. Albeit less steep at an average 40° grade, I had to glissade two 15-20 ft runs.

Return
Same as last week. Minus two reassurance sips and a Monster Pipeline, I was out of water with 6 to go. The difference is that I was well-hydrated up to this point. South Fork Sheep Creek > skirt high on the north > drop back down before Tournament > a few paces into Tournament scramble the wall with the precarious cactus... those are key. The last glow of daylight fizzled out on the 400 ft ascent up 4642. Enjoyed the Pipeline. My only concern was Marion. If things went awry, I would just go west no matter what. Chalk hassled me a little then I walked through Marion without blinking.
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Mazatzal Saddle Mountain 6535 and Squaw Flat, AZ 
Mazatzal Saddle Mountain 6535 and Squaw Flat, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 28 2023
John10sTriplogs 346
Hiking13.61 Miles 3,062 AEG
Hiking13.61 Miles   9 Hrs   25 Mns   1.73 mph
3,062 ft AEG   1 Hour   34 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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We started from Mormon Grove Trailhead around 7:30AM. On the drive in, we noticed Google Maps trying to route us from FR 627 through private property on Cross F Ranch to connect with FR 25, so we had to be sure to use FR 201 to connect with FR 25. There were three trucks at the trailhead, and it was ~45° when we started but felt comfortable in the sun.

Saddle Mountain Trail was a good warmup--wide open and easy, with some interesting color and formations with the red rocks near the Little Saddle Mountain intersection. Two miles in, we turned off and visited Potato Patch, and TBoneKathy generously waited while I started up toward the peak of Saddle Mountain. It steepness isn't too bad, but the brush makes it more...interesting. I put gloves on and got the clippers out, and even leaving Potato Patch to start up the base of the mountain required pushing/cutting through extremely thick brush and catclaw, to the point that I almost abandoned the plan when I saw how long it was going to take.

But the slope looked more open up higher, and once I got through that initial wall, it did open up a little, and my pace picked up as I worked my way up toward the rocky lower peak south of Saddle Mountain, and the views improved quickly [ youtube video ] . The brush closed in again as I circled around below the south/east side of the southern peak toward the saddle. In shorts and a T-shirt, I was getting shredded by branches...they were so thick that any serious effort and cutting a path through became a waste of time, and I mostly just tried to choose the least sharp obstacles and push through it.

Closer to the saddle, I saw signs of someone else's clipping, and there was a faint and brief trail that was a welcome relief for a few minutes. Once on the saddle, there was some easy scrambling up to the peak, which was also very brushy. I found the reference markers first, but thanks to the brush, I still took a while finding the benchmark even with the help of the RM arrows. I placed a summit register in the vicinity of the benchmark and recorded some videos and snapped some pictures. There's plenty of nice scenery all around, but with all the foliage on the peak, there are few if any spots with unobstructed 360° views and not many options to sit and enjoy the surroundings.

Summit view N/E: [ youtube video ]
Summit view S/W: [ youtube video ]

Knowing how long TBoneKathy had already been waiting, I just took a sip of water and headed down the same way, picking up more scratches on the return to Potato Patch. Getting up and back down took ~ two and a half hours to cover a little under two miles. Reunited, we resumed our regularly scheduled hike on Saddle Mountain Trail with the goal of getting as close to Plateau Overlook Point as we could. With my detour up to the peak, we probably weren't going to have time to get all the way there, but being back on an open trail after the bloodshed going up and down Saddle Mountain was a relief.

We continued on Sheep Creek Trail, which became more overgrown and a little tougher to follow after the Thicket Spring intersection. We took a short break near Squaw Flat Spring, then continued onto Copper Camp Trail. The trail finally climbed up out the creek bed, and the brush and the views opened up again. We turned around ~1.5 miles as-the-crow-flies from Plateau Overlook Point, though we still had the steepest part of Copper Camp Trail head of us, but it was nice to have view of Saddle Mountain from three different sides (and up close) today.

The hike out was uneventful, and a cool breeze picked up over the last few miles. We didn't see any hikers all day, just two hunters when we were almost back to the trailhead, and not much in the way of of wildlife other than some small tarantulas. Even though we didn't make the overlook, it was a fun day--new trails for both of us, and Saddle Mountain was a fun challenge that I'll relive via cuts and scratches for many days :). I was happy to make it up there, but it's not a peak I'm anxious to revisit anytime soon...the reward:punishment ratio is pretty low.
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Copper Camp from Mormon Grove, AZ 
Copper Camp from Mormon Grove, AZ
 
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Run/Jog19.98 Miles 4,349 AEG
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Decided to take advantage of decent weather and poke around the Copper Camp area again, this time from the East side. Took my Jeep up to Mormon Grove TH, which is borderline sedan-friendly right now.

Saddle Mountain trail is pretty uneventful, although it was nice seeing Potato Patch for the first time since I was a teenager. Looks a lot smaller now.

Things got really fun after getting near the apex on Copper Camp trail, with a couple of stretches of catclaw up there. Excellent views, however. The descent down to Copper Camp Creek was less painful than expected, although it was still pretty slow going since you have to spot cairns the whole way. There's still a surprising amount of tread left, although it's completely covered.

At the bottom, we kind of decided to just stick to the creek bed, to avoid brushy/thorny stuff. Once we hit the flowing stretch, the vegetation changed completely. Also we started seeing a ton of snakes, so we were just going way too slow to make the original goal of Sheep Creek.

Turned around about 4 hours in, and only took about 30 minutes longer to go the other direction. I love the Mazatzals.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Camp Creek @ Loading Corral Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Upper McFarland @ #88/95 Medium flow Medium flow
Water is actually flowing over the trail right now, which is more than I saw last fall. Flowing upstream a little ways along Sheep Creek trail.
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Copper Camp Trail #87Phoenix, AZ
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Run/Jog17.85 Miles 2,681 AEG
Run/Jog17.85 Miles   5 Hrs   49 Mns   3.10 mph
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Decided it would be fun to check out some of the stuff east of Horseshoe, so we headed out down to the dam, and jogged the 3ish miles to Sears TH. From there, the fun began, and we took Copper Camp Trail up out of Davenport Wash. Early on, the FR signs are there, but it may as well be a trail at this point, as I suspect the only vehicles capable of actually using this "road" are dirt bikes.

Some nice views along the way, and parts of the trail were nice and mellow. Trail Springs was an unexpectedly nice area, with two large cottonwood trees, a slew of seeps, and even a mini-Hanging Gardens thing complete with moss and dripping directly under one of the cottonwoods.

Once past the wilderness boundary, the trail got considerably more difficult to follow, but still not off-trail. Lurking cacti were the biggest problem (I gave a cholla a nice hard kick on the way back out).

Got down to Sheep Creek, which was the goal, and explored up to the Copper Camp confluence. This was a very pretty area, lots of vegetation and the creek had good flow.

This one was a little more interesting than expected; definitely want to explore more of this area.

dry Chalk Tank Dry Dry
Just some mud in the tank.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Copper Camp Creek Medium flow Medium flow
Good discharge into Sheep Creek.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max J M Spring Dripping Dripping
Just a seep and a couple puddles in the road.

dry Sears TH Spring Dry Dry
Couldn't find any water in the area, but there could be if you go further downstream. Wouldn't count on anything right now.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Sheep Creek Medium flow Medium flow
Excellent flow at Copper Camp Trail.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Trail Springs Quart per minute Quart per minute
There are a half dozen or so seeps in the area surrounding the cottonwoods, with trickles in both drainages below the road/trail crossing.
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Backpack33.60 Miles 5,993 AEG
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Short Version
This is a fantastic loop through a remote section of the Western Mazatzals. The trails are sweet, the views are big, and it almost entirely avoids the Willow/Sunflower Fire burn areas.
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Long Version
Prelude
Drove up on Thursday and car camped at Horseshoe campground. Mostly quiet, road was a bit rough. Not sure if I'll be taking the minivan on 205 again until it gets graded.

479/477
Plan was to do most of this road walk in the dark, though alarm failed me and then I got confused trying to find my way to the dam from campground. Following roads is hard. So only 479 in the dark. Start of 477 was difficult to track through the wash, then a rocky, hilly ride to wilderness boundary. Tweaked my left knee early on which filled me with confidence. Brief pauses at Cholla Tank and Trail Springs to check on water situation.

Copper Camp #87
Trail starts humble enough - no formal trail sign, horse gate is overgrown w/ prickly pear, sporadic tread, and few cairns for the first mile. Plus the final drop is badly washed out. Along the creek things gets more fun. Trail criss-crosses the creek repeatedly, and it definitely pays to look for the cairns. Creek was very overgrown and forced me to a crawl repeatedly. Path will climb up along the sides of the valley (reminding me of Upper La Barge Box) and is in shockingly good shape for the most part, only a few bad overgrown patches and washouts. Water flowed in several sections, including the loading corral. Then it climbs up Squaw Flat in a punishingly exposed way.

Cairns help a lot on the climb, as the trail can be difficult to trace over the grassy/rocky slope. I made some bad water decisions and made the haul up with only two liters in the afternoon and it hurt. Once it crests near 5400' it ventures through lovely pines, where some angry yellow rattler was waiting for me, and then deadfall and route-finding after you enter the burn area. A surprise seep at the junction of Sheep Creek Trail was very appreciated. I pushed on to Squaw Flat Spring expecting to find more water there and didn't. Set up dry camp here and read for a few hours before a most exhausted sleep.

Sheep Creek #88
Woke up early and made it back to junction and that seep before sunrise. Watered up and headed up the trail, which quickly climbed out of the burn area with none of the deadfall or route-finding issues that the end of #87 had. The roller coaster was fun to do in the cold morning temps, and then it was down down down. Knee felt surprisingly good and most of the trail was broad and easy to roll down. Last few hundred feet of descent began to get a bit choked up. Creek section was fantastic, reminding me of a rocky Midwest creek with piles of leaves and soft grassy banks, and the trail criss-crossed a few times and was well-defined. Beyond the end of Cypress Ridge the desert took over from the trees and the banks became thorny and nasty.

Trail seemed harder to follow so I began switching between hopping along the rocks in the wash, connecting game trails, and hunting for cairns. Then the old fence line led right to Sheep Creek proper and my planned breakfast stop. After a too-long break I checked out Round Spring and then promptly lost the trail on the way up to the corral. Took some hunting to find the trail sign, assumed it was the junction of Sears, and started heading west a few hours before noon.

Sears #90
The first few miles of this was taxing. Trail and I played a game that I kept losing. Cairns helped, as did some glimpses of the tread, but there were no prints to speak of. Near the fulstrum I decided to check out Lizard Spring, choosing water over a cement thing, and had a terrible time descending down the hill. Bit of a path leading down but it involved a whole lot of sliding. Found plenty of water and a weird tree, so it was worth it? Climbed back up to trail and then had an easy time dropping down into the unnamed wash. Trail was clearly marked the whole way, and then the wash was easy enough to trot along. I followed some cairns where my GPS told me to exit the wash and had a very bad time. Eventually found the trail after spilling a whole lot of blood and it was stupid wide and easy, looking more like an old two-track than trail.

Trotted down past the corral and finished the drop into Davenport. Cairns took a sharp left turn at the bottom of chalk cliffs and, vaguely remembering a discussion on here about a Sears Trail re-route, I decided to follow it instead of the road. I'm not sure if this was a smart idea. Instead of what looks to be a straight half mile of road in the wash I was on a zig-zagging route with plenty of little climbs up and down washes that made for a frustrating ending. Finished the last of my water right before meeting back w/ 477, and then decided to follow cairns instead of the road in hopes of finding an actual trailhead sign for Sears. Never did. Did meet another rattler at Sears TH Spring. Oh, and that spring looks toxic.

Final few miles of road walking was not a lot of fun, especially with a few vehicles blowing dust and diesel fumes on their way to/from the ranch. Dam was pretty busy with fisherman and photogs. Considering that I hadn't seen a single person on the trails, guess it was only fair that there were crowds at the end.

Mazatzal Miles: 78.6/274 (28.7%)

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This year’s Copper Camp Loop went off pretty good. This time we stayed on the right side of the Copper Camp creek for as long as we could before crossing at the actual camp. I think it was easier than zig-zagging in the creek.

We made the long climb up Cypress ridge to the lunch spot. As we finished eating Joe turned on his used car salesman's charm and starting talking about an easier shortcut. The shortcut would cut at least a mile and 500 feet AEG from the hike. There might have been mention of a soda machine along the way. Joe had me at 500 less climbing.

We were told there was a false ridge, but Joe claimed it was good looking ridge after that. I agreed if there was no climbing involved. Well after the 3rd or 4th rock pile I put on the climbing gloves. The terrain turned nicer once we started to descend a bit, there were trees and dirt. The ridge line wasn't that bad. We pop-out almost exactly where the Sheep Creek trail pulls out of the creek bed. This was nice not to deal with the cat-claw fields. Karl and Joe did a great job scouting out the way up and down the Cypress ridge. We never hit any big drops. One interesting note is that we found a cairn about 2/3 of way across Cypress ridge.

The shortcut across the ridge actually added about 700 feet to the AEG :? !

It was a fun hike with some new territory and good company. It was nice meeting Bruce.
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My first hike with topohiker Ken and why not start it off with one of his classics, the Copper Camp Loop.

07:30 Start - Mormon Grove TH

09:30 - 5 miles in to my cache spot at 87/88 intersection.
A pleasant stroll on Saddle Mountain #91 and Sheep Creek #88 (also AZT-22).
The birds were chirping, butterfly's fluttering and the Temps are perfect.
Big views from up here. Down in McFarland Canyon area, where the AZT splits off to the Thicket Spring Trail #95. There was plenty of pooling to filter from.

10:00 - 6 Miles in to begin the drop to Copper Canyon Camp (5,450' - 3,100')
This was my favorite part of the hike. (Mile 5 to Mile 9).
The views were killer. Lion Mountain looks to be an Interesting destination... Been up on top of that one Richard?

12:00 - 9.25 - 10.25 Miles Medium to thick catclaw starts
You run into another Riparian area in this section. Also the worse catclaw you'll encounter... but it's short-lived.

12:30 - 10.25 miles in, start to climb to lunch on Cypress Ridge (3,100' - 4,900')
The first 2/3's of this climb is not too bad. The last 1/3 took it out of me.

14:15 - 12 miles in, lunch
Pretty lunchtime views, and the Sales Pitch for the "Short Cut" begins.

14:40 - Start the 3 miles across Cypress Ridge to Sheep Creek #88
Nobody said No. It wasn't bad or scary... just a lot slower going than anyone planned.
Views were killer. Ken found new stains and cuts on the tops of his shoes that he had not noticed before. This was a variation of Ken's Loop that I don't think he'll be doing next year.

18:00 - 15.3 Miles in, back on a trail again (Sheep Creek #88)
I remember this from the last time back here. This trail gets a bit steep in places.

19:12 - 17 miles in, back to the Cache spot at the intersection of trails 87/88.
I'd been running low and actually Ken loaned me half a Gatorade. We all filtered water at my cache spot. I guzzled a liter. Temps were now cool at 54.

A five mile walk back to Karl's truck couldn't end quick enough.

21:23 - 22 Miles, back at the Mormon Grove TH


A short Video :next: http://youtu.be/OOWFc2-AdVQ

Great meeting you Ken.
Thanks for Driving and the Barley Pop Karl!
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Ken's annual Copper Camp Loop with a twist. Everyone enjoyed the hike heading down. Ken wanted to stay out of the creek this year and attempt to follow the trail on the right. A hearty maintence crew would need to reestablish it as the creek environment has swallowed the old trail.

Hiking up and off-trail to Cypress Ridge is always a blast. Once there the dreary task of descending and going around the ridge is at hand. I mentioned riding the ridge out as an alternative for a future year. Shockingly the idea turned to this year and no objections surfaced.

The ridge was a bit longer than anticipated. Karl & I thought it was nifty. Ken & Bruce didn't share our enthusiasm. The constant low key scrambling was not their style. Karl & I waited and admired views with greater consistency across the ridge. Unfortunately Ken never really got to see the incredible views as he was concentrating on the terrain. Karl & I recalculated our options several times along the way. While I regretted ever suggesting the ridge, it all worked out.

Back on trail we started up the monster ascent back to the trailhead. While the hike had varied reviews I enjoyed the diverse company of the group. I look forward to finding a balance of terrain we all can enjoy!

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Ken's annual Copper Camp Loop hike didn't go exactly as drawn up. We started at Mormon Grove TH as planned and linked up with section of AZT # 22 Saddle Mtn. AZT section is great trail as most are and eventually drops down into McFarland Canyon where we split off AZT and started up Copper Camp trail # 87. The trail soon tops out and then starts down the ridgeline into Copper Camp Canyon. The views on the ridgeline are great of Sheep Mtn, Saddle Mtn, and the rest of the Mazzies.

We made the bottom of Copper Camp finding some decent water, an old cabin site and the low elevation point for the loop. Took short break and doused with some water before heading back up another ridgeline to gain back the elevation. Great views here as well but steep climb out of the canyon. After some effort and sweat we made it to Cypress Ridge over looking Copper Camp and the lunch spot for the day. Everyone was ready for the lunch break after the long climb. At lunch Joe suggested the idea of traversing the rest of Cypress Ridge and to his surprise everyone agreed to give it a shot.

This is where the trip deviated from the original plan which had us going around Cypress Ridge instead of over it. Cypress Ridge offered the best views and highlight of the hike despite the fact that it was all off trail. It was slow going at times with boulders and brush but we eventually made it down to the Sheep Creek #88 which was back on the original route.

Bye this time it was getting dark and we made the junction of Copper Camp and Sheep Creek trail where we pumped some water for the last 5 miles out. Made it back to the AZT section and then out to the car by 920pm. Long day but awesome section on Cypress Ridge. Thanks for the invite Ken :)
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Did a loop up Copper Camp trail and came back via FR477. At the Verde we had to avoid the nesting site by off trailing around the east side beside the mostly dry river bed :roll:

We saw an eagle in the morning but not The Eagle he was in the area yesterday with the boss :) Also saw 4 javalina on the drive home.
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This year’s (8th annual) Copper Camp loop was ~9 miles longer due to the locked gate. We saw fire damage from the Mormon Grove TH all the way to the Sheep Creek / Copper Camp intersection. Joe had it right with "BBQ Loop". The silver lining to the fire is that now you have longer views into the area. I could see new areas that I couldn't before. It also helped by reducing the route finding in McFarland canyon.

This year we found 2 bed frames and barrels next to the Copper Camp creek. We spent a little more time in the Copper Camp creek bed than other years. There was an awesome cool wind blowing as we climbed Cypress Ridge. We did a great on the off-trail. The route was slightly modified and we had no issues. The temps were very agreeable for most the day. It was a bit warm on the lower section of the Copper Camp loop.

Good hike with good company. 4 people started and 4 people finished!
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The Cheops daily double left me psyched on life and extremely exhausted. After missing Ken's annual CCL I couldn't let this year slip away. With FR25 still closed from the 2012 Sunflower Fire 9.6 miles was added to access.

#87 and the off-trail to #88 was new territory for myself. After an unexpectedly nice pine stroll on #87 the views looking down towards Lion Mountain are stellar. Like my first Four Peaks adventure (the southern terminus of the Mazatzal range) the feeling was refreshingly uplifting.

There is some bushwhacking and more serious catclaw on this loop. Typical lightweight nylon/poly hiking pants provide enough protection. Nothing required gloves.

We were blessed with perfect weather. It only felt hot during our lunch break at the low point sitting in full sun. I dipped my spare shirt in the creek and joined Dave1's Blanco Diablos for the off-trail hike up to Cypress Ridge. My ears were cold and I was chilly at times.

Based on everything I heard from Fan, she really wanted a longer hike. It was great to meet Mike and finally hike with Ken.

Upset black-tailed rattlesnake & a young gopher encountered in midday heat. One mylar balloon. Consumed almost 4 quarts, Mike downed 7-8!
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What a day! This was our second attempt to reach the Fig Spring cabin. We started at Horseshoe dam and hiked to the KA Ranch. We went about a half mile past the ranch on FR479 and crossed the Davenport wash. Then we climbed up an unnamed mountain and bushwhacked over where FR477 meets the gauging station by the Verde River. We saw that a vehicle recently forded the Verde by the gauging station. I roamed for a little bit looking for the Cable Crossing, but didn't find it. We took a break by the Verde.

Next we located the Fig Trail #92. The only indication of a junction is a burnt out piece of wood sticking out of the ground. Once you're on the trail you can almost make out an old road. The road gets a little better. We were following horse prints down the road. About 3/4 a mile down the road, the trail hits drainage.

:scared: *DISCLAIMER* Past this point you need a GPS track (or a very detailed map) of the trail and be very comfortable with route finding and bushwhacking. There is NO TRAIL past this point. If there was one, it hasn't been used in years or decades. *DISCLAIMER* :scared:

We lost the horse prints in the drainage. This time we used the GPS track as a guideline for where to go. Last time we tried to stay on the track and that go us no-where fast. I would see what direction the track was going, then look for a nice open path in the desert and go for it. I would check the GPS every 10 minutes to make sure we were still on-track. I tried to stay with 100~200 feet of the GPS track. This made the bushwhacking easier, because we zigzagged around vegetation. Every so often we would 'see' trail, but who knows if it was just a game path.

We had to cross numerous drainages. This was time and energy consuming. Sometimes we had to go a 1/4 mile out of the way to find a viable crossing. When we were about 1 mile from the cabin, we entered a wash and saw a cairn! Then we saw a second cairn when we turned down a second wash! We both agreed that if you got this far, you didn't need cairns. Then we climbed to a ridgeline and saw a path clear of rocks going the opposite of the GPS track. The GPS track made a semi-circle to the Sheep Creek, but the clear rock path went straight for it. We gambled and took the ridgeline path. The path got us about 1/3 mile from the cabin and it ended in a drainage. It was 1:10 now. There was butte blocking our way to the sheep creek ](*,) . We veered towards the GPS track and had to go through a couple of scree fields with drop offs into the drainage.

We hit the track/trail and dropped into a nice wash. Soon after I could see trees! The Sheep Creek was close! Then we hit a fence line going across the wash. I didn't see any openings in the fence, so crawled army style under the fence. There was heavy vegetation and shade by the creek :FG: .
Finding the cabin was a challenge. We found another fence line on higher ground and tried to follow that. Then I remembered that Outlander mentioned the cabin was next to the Fig Spring. We found the spring and another fence line closer to the creek. We followed this fence line for about 300 feet to the cabin! :y: Mission accomplished! :y: The Cabin has seen better days. My GPS showed the cabin at N 33 55.6310, W111 37.8709. It was 2:00. It took us 50 minutes to travel that last 1/3 mile! We took a much needed break and lunch.

On the way back we followed the GPS track back to the ridgeline. This avoided the scree fields. Then we deviated from the GPS track when it showed the trail going down a steep ravine and climbing out the other side. We detoured by going around on a ridgeline to the other side.
The hike back seamed harder because we tried to stay close the hike in. Crossing the drainages seemed harder on the way back. We got to the Fig Trail / FR477 junction at 5PM. The GPS track is 3.5 miles long, but both Fan's and my GPS showed we hiked 5 miles one way!

We decided to take FR477 back instead of bushwhacking across to the ranch. We knew it was longer, but with darkness coming, it was the safer option. As we got closer to the Davenport wash, it got colder and colder yet by the Verde River. I was concerned about crossing the Davenport wash at night, but we followed some Jeep tracks across without issue.

It was a fun but a tiring hike. I don't recommend doing this in a single day, unless you start very early or ford the Verde to reduce the mileage. I don't think you can do this hike twice the same way! Even on the way back, we took a slightly different way back.

It was great being back in the Mazzies!
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It was a chilly 28 when we started but not too bad. I really like the variety on this one with great views along Saddle Mtn, some nice trees in McFarland and the great views along Copper.

The catclaw was pretty bad down in Copper Creek but when I came back I found it best to stay low and follow the cairns and not take the high route. I saw something black go crashing through the brush near the cottonwoods but I didn't investigate - perhaps a bear?

I struggled a bit climbing back up to Squaw Flat but made it eventually - I'm really glad I turned round at Copper Camp - definitely the right decision for me.

It was great to see Liz and Amy again and to meet Katrina, John, John, Wally, Ken and Fan.

Thanks to all - I had a really great day!
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Due to work and family stuff, this is my first hike of the year. I was looking for the adventure of exploring a new trail.

I wanted to see the Fig spring Cabin, so we started out to the Horseshoe Dam TH. The morning was cold. The dam is all dried up now. Every time I've been to this area, I've never seen any vehicles. This time we saw a couple of hunters on ATV's and about 6 trucks/Jeeps.

We took FR 479 to the Sears trail to Copper Camp/FR477 to the Verde. We had nice 360 views as FR477 headed down to the Verde We went to the ford spot and the Verde was flowing fast. My topo showed a cable crossing in this spot, but we didn't see it. We headed back up FR FR477 looking for the Fig trail. There is no trail sign, but my GPS had the trail on it. We found the trail. It's an old jeep road. We followed it for about a mile until it crossed a wash with an un-named spring. The road / trail disappeared. We followed the trail on the GPS and never found a real trail. We would come across game trails and mistake it for the trail. The terrain was rugged. After I slipped and bruised my shin bone, we stopped and had lunch.

We were 16 miles in and I knew Fan was not up for 32 mile hike, so I went to plan B. We short-cutted back to the Jeep by following the Verde to the KA ranch. This would cut about 8 miles from return trip. There a nice flat grassy shelf about 1/4 mile from the Verde. That lasted about a mile. Then we hiked up to a ridgeline that my topo showed ending at the Davenport wash. It also showed a nice slope down into the wash.

The ridgeline gave us nice views of the area. By 5PM, we hit the end of the ridgeline. We could see FR477 below us. We started our climb down towards the Sears TH area. We hit a 10 foot dropped. We climbed back up and started going counterclockwise looking for a way down. We keep on hitting deep canyons. At 5:30 we went about 270 degrees around the end of the mountain.
Fan saw a doable path down. We had to scramble down about 20 feet of boulders. There were some drop-offs, by this time we had options to go around them. By 5:50 we were in the Davenport wash! A quick bushwhack had us on the road that fords the Verde. On the way back, I noticed there was a nice gentle slope down the ridgeline. If we had gone clockwise, we would have hit it right away! We were back at the Jeep by 6:40.

I wanted an adventure and I got!
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I parked at the dam (7:55) and hiked on the walkway to FR2058 to FR477 to the Copper Camp trail. I went out to the Copper Camp and came back. Finding the Copper camp TH can be tricky. Lucky for me my GPS had FR477 pre-loaded and I was able to find it. Copper Camp is an old Jeep road for the first 5~6 miles. Then it drops down into the Sheep Creek and the route finding begins. Parts of the trail in the Sheep Creek are washed away and it's easier to follow the creek bed. I spent a lot of time looking for the trail and re-routing washed out parts. The trail picks up after you enter the Copper Camp creek. I missed some trail cutoffs and wound up going up the creek bed. I got to the camp by 1:20. I headed back. This time I was able to stay on the trail through the Copper Camp creek. I had lunch in the shade by the Sheep Creek. I also pumped some water. On the way back I checked out the alternate Copper Camp TH. I also did my usually exploration for ideas on futures hikes. I got back to the Jeep by 7:05.

Wildlife:

1) I took a wrong turn by a corral and saw a Gila monster! :DANCE:
2) Right by the wilderness boundary a coiled rattlesnake saw me! I jumped backwards; fell on my butt as he slide away. :scared:
3) On the return trip when I was crossing the Copper Camp Creek I almost stepped on another rattlesnake!! I was rock hopping and all of sudden I saw and heard a coiling rattler ready to strike. I somehow in mid-hop went backwards. It scared the piss out me. :o :scared: :pray:
4) As I approached the dam on the way back, I saw a brown fox running on the dam and then he jump into the mountain side.
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Mar 04 2010
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Copper Camp Loop IIPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
Backpack27.00 Miles 5,660 AEG
Backpack27.00 Miles4 Days         
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Unlike Topohiker we did not do our loop as a day hike :sweat: but as a 4 day backpack! :D

Started from Horseshoe Dam: Walkway under dam - FR2058 - FR477 - Copper Camp - Cypress Ridge - Sheep Creek - Sears - FR477 - FR2058 - Horseshoe Dam

Day 1
Part of FR477 has been almost washed away in a flood earlier this year and where FR477 crosses Davenport Wash there is no longer a drivable route. The wash was flowing pretty weel and we had to scout around for a good place to cross without getting very wet. Copper camp trail was in okay condition until the steep descent to Sheep Creek. We camped in the grassy area just beside the Sheep Creek crossing.

Day 2
After going through the Copper Creek "narrows", basically where Copper Creek joins Sheep Creek and there is evidence of an interesting old fence and gate, we continued along the trail on the north side of the creek. Shortly after this we came to a huge gully that had obliterated the trail and left no way to continue :o . We continued in the creek bed until we found the trail on the south side of the creek. From here on the trail was okay. We stopped at Copper Camp for lunch and then started the big climb up to Cypress Ridge. The little creek in the first meadow was flowing so we decided to camp here in this very remote area that I'm sure has seen very few backpackers or campers.

Day 3
We continued the Cypress Ridge route and got down to Sheep Creek trail near the old corral. From here we took the trail west to the site of the old Sheep Creek Cabin and saw an old wheel barrow and the remains of the cabin. We then went uphill to the junction with Sears trail and stopped for lunch and then went down Sears trail and camped at the Sears trail springs.

Day 4
Big storms during the night but clear in the morning so we packed up wet tents and headed out. We made it to FR 477 before the next storm rolled in which left us with a couple of soggy miles in the rain.
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Saddle Mountain Trail to Squaw FlatPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
Hiking15.80 Miles 2,750 AEG
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Took Saddle Mtn TR and Copper Camp TR to about one mile from Copper Camp and then headed back.
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