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Weatherford Trail #102 - 53 members in 264 triplogs have rated this an average 4.4 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Schultz - Doyle Loop, AZ 
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For the final hike of the trip, I decided to venture into the Pipeline burn scar and hit Schultz and Doyle on a counter-clockwise loop, returning down Weatherford Trail. I originally planned to include Fremont in the loop, but having tacked that onto yesterday's hike, I scratched that and shortened today's. I started just after 6AM from the Schultz Tank parking lot and walked a short distance east on Schultz Pass Road, then cut to the NE to start the steep climb up to Schultz. It didn't take long to get into the burn scar and start gaining elevation, picking up 1,600'+ between 0.5 miles and 1.5 miles.

There aren't any major obstacles on the way up--lots of mullein has grown in among the deadfall and the stumps--but the steepness combined with the elevation made the hill feel like more of an effort than it appears from the bottom. At ~9,800' the ridge levels off considerably, so it was easy hiking over to Schultz Peak, though calling it a peak is a stretch--it's hard to tell what the high point is in that general area.

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The route up to Doyle is obvious from there, following a ridge to the northwest to 11,045' on the map, then a straight shot west. I took a short break at Schultz before starting up that ridge, which wasn't quite as steep as the earlier climb, but travel was slow because of deadfall and rocks hidden among thick, shoulder-high aspen growth...at least it's soft brush that's painless to push through. Once I was up to 11045, the views opened up to the N/NE toward the other SF Peaks.

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From there, it was just under a half mile and ~400' of gain up to Doyle. Again, steepness and elevation made it feel tougher than it should've been, and that area had some of the thickest deadfall of the day, so that slowed things down again. I didn't find a register on Doyle and saw no remains of the cabin that used to be up there, but I took a longer food break on top and enjoyed the uncharred views to the north.

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Dropping down the west side of the peak to Freemont Saddle through more scorched terrain was a little sketchy on the steep slope with lots of loose dirt/rock, reminiscent of the drop off the ridge near Abineau to Beard Canyon two days prior. I had to be careful not to dislodge rocks down onto myself on the descent, then I emptied a bunch of dirt out of my boots at Freemont Saddle before starting down Weatherford.

I wasn't sure what to expect about the trail conditions--not surprisingly, there aren't many triplogs for that part of Weatherford after the fire since it reopened in August 2024. The upper portions had some deadfall, with plenty of rocky tread. I crossed a few washed-out areas with obvious signs of trail reinforcement work. With long, gently sloping switchbacks, I was able to keep a good pace going down, and a few areas had a lot of new aspen growth similar to the ridge between Schultz and Doyle. It was a relief to finally see some living pine trees along the trail at ~9,200'. Not far beyond that, around 9,000', the trail had been rerouted around a major washout.

I saw a total of three people on the way down--the first I'd seen all day--and got back to the trailhead just after 11AM and checked out Schultz Tank before I started the drive back to Phoenix. It was almost 90° when I drove through Flagstaff, and after an uneventful drive on I-17, the thermometer hit 115° just before I got home, which made me appreciate the long weekend away that much more.

Hiking through the burn scar today wasn't the most scenic conclusion to the trip, but it was nice to hit a few more peaks/new areas and see the other SF Peaks from a different vantage point. Overall, great trip--the weather was perfect, I completed all the hikes I'd planned, covering just under 70 miles with ~22,000' AEG, including Kendrick, Newman/East Newman, Rees, Abineau, Humphreys, Fremont, Schultz, Doyle, the Abineau-Bear Jaw Loop, and two plane crash sites. Still need to get to Agassiz, so I have a reason to return :).

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Humphreys - Fremont - B24, AZ 
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For day three, I decided to tolerate the crowds and hike Humphreys, one I'd done a few times before but not in the past 5+ years. I started from Snowbowl ~7:30AM, and it was swarming with people...not surprising, but the sight still had me questioning my decision. The trail was much as I remembered it--lots of rocks and tree roots, and the views don't open up much until clearing the trees near the saddle. There were brief stretches when I had the trail to myself but many more when I was trying to navigate through traffic.

It got up to the peak in about two hours and was pleased that there were only five other people on top when I arrived. Lots of bees, but the weather was much nicer than any of my previous visits, with comfortable temperatures and virtually no wind. I'd planned to hike to Fremont Peak tomorrow as part of a longer loop but decided to head over there now since it was only ~9:30AM and there was plenty of day left. I hung out on the peak for a while, then started down as more and more people arrived. Some places looked like a solid line of hikers coming up as I hiked back to the saddle, then immediate relief once I was on Weatherford.

I passed a few groups as I rounded Agassiz and followed the switchbacks down to Fremont Saddle, where I took a quick break for food/sunscreen. I left the trail there and made the climb up to Peak 11673, which the guide accurately describes as merely a bump on the road to Fremont. The off-trail up to the summit wasn't too bad--some pine branches to push through and a steep and rocky final ascent up to the peak, which has a rock wall windbreak with a wooden post sticking up.

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The summit provides a good perspective of the Pipeline burn scar that covers the south/east sides of Fremont, runs along the ridgeline of Doyle and covers much of the area to the south, dividing the mountain into green and brown halves. I took another food break at the top, which the gnats and bees did their best to make it tough to enjoy. The summit register had a lot of familiar HAZ names, and I added mine and then returned to Weatherford Trail via the same route and hiked back to the crowded Humphreys intersection and started down.

Along the way, I left the trail to check out the B-24 crash site. I visited it six years ago but had forgotten just how many large and recognizable airplane parts this site has--much more interesting than the B-17 site on Rees I visited yesterday. This site has become more popular--I saw at least three other people wandering around the scree slope with the wreckage. One of the guys I saw returned to the trail around the same time as me and showed his waiting friends his bloody arm--he'd apparently suffered a fall on the boulders.

The last few miles were easy downhill that practically hiked themselves, and I was back at Snowbowl around 2:30PM. The crowds on Humphreys were predictably annoying but not as bad I expected, and it was nice seeing some new parts of the SF Peaks. After a break in the shade, I decided to hike part of Kachina Trail before driving back to Flagstaff since it was still early.
 
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Roughly 9 vehicles at the impromptu gate-trailhead. Easy 3.25mi walk to the trailhead.

The road is closed because there is a gate and a potential washout spot that was not currently being worked on.

I twisted Bruce's arm suggesting we skip the peak today due to the bonus road walk. He hemmed and hawed and said thank-god.

From the TH to the empty saddle we passed one guy. Calm pleasant day, if warm for October. The mammoth ditch-trail stretch up from the bus stop shelter has been graded smooth.

Lunched at the saddle netting another 4 hikers and one runner that must have knocked out the Kachina Loop quickly.

Enjoyed the nice hike down, passing 39 fellow autumn enthusiast in the lower portion.
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Time to get our fix of golden goodness. Joe picked the destination; I threw out some alternative approaches, shortening the mileage added by the FR552 road closure. In the end, we stuck to the added 3.15 miles x 2 to the IB TH on FR552, being unclear of the private property implications of my alternate routes. Checking today, it looks like we made the correct choice.

At the intersection of FR552/FR552A is the makeshift parking area. I was a bit surprised that there were 15+ vehicles parked on a Thursday morning to make the hike to and into the IB. Based on some of the hikers we passed, not all made it to the golden destination.

The IB had a few campsites occupied (many more when we returned), complete with blazing fires in the frigid 55-degree temps.




Inner Basin Trail #29

The aspens are about at prime right now. Some trees had emptied their autumnal load; others were still green. After a short break at the "Bus Stop" to stash some liquid for the return, we headed up the recently graded trail through the meadow. The 1.25-mile climb from the end of the meadow to the Weatherford Trail is one of my least favorite sections of trail in the peaks and seems to drag on forever. It is a necessary evil to get to one of my favorite sections of trail in the state.




Weatherford Trail #102

The climb from the saddle between Fremont and Agassiz (Doyle Saddle or Fremont Saddle, depending on the map you look at) is the highlight for me. We passed by Lunch Rock and made our way down to the empty Humphreys Saddle for a bit of lunch. We saw only one person from the IB TH to this point.
We returned the way we came, enjoying the views of the sunlit aspens. There were quite a few more people on the return after we got off the Waterline Trail and onto the IB Trail proper. Many of these would not make it back to their cars before dark.

Temps/weather were perfect all day in the 50s and 60s.
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Pretty much prime. Some was on the ground, some were still green
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After the disaster of riding my bike to the trailhead, I started my hike totally depleted of energy and stamina. Apparently oxygen isn't a thing here either. It was slow going and I had continual thoughts of where and when to call it a day and turn around. Somehow I carried on.

There were a handful of people on 29, but nothing obnoxious. Above the waterline road, I didn't see another soul over the next 5 and a half hours of trudgery. As was the case last year, the water department has graded every old two track to Prius quality. This includes the former cavern that was once the trail from the bus stop up to the 10k contour.

Knowing that stretch of trail is giving Y-bar a run for its money, I stayed in the drainage and climbed to Doyle spring before cutting over to the trail again. I think the stretch of 102 from the 29 junction down to the saddle is my least traveled stretch. Usually when I'm here I go up and add Fremont too. But having done that a couple of months ago I headed over to Doyle.

The view of the inner basin from 11,060 in fall is perhaps my favorite scene in the state. Of course to get there now requires a depressing traverse of absolute maximum heat destruction. It is what it is. No going back now.

The top is still neutralized with nary a blade of grass pushing through the ash yet. Lower down, some horribly unhealthy and sickly aspen are making it a bit of a bushwhack to get through. I spooked two sets of elk including a huge buck and 3 bulls, followed by another harem of ladies half a mile later.

I made the pre-planned but idiotic decision to cut some mileage and drop off the ridgeline straight down to the waterline road near the edge of the burn boundary. The steepitude of this slope cannot be understated. 1010 do not recommend.

Skipped like Dorothy along the yellow-brick road to the former no-molestation station before opting for the old upper 552 two-track back to Lockett for a different view and fewer afternoon peepers.

An additional 3 miles on foot would not have been particularly enjoyable, so I was happy to find my bike where I left it, with two fully inflated tires ready to roll.
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Hiked this trail back in July 2020 to Doyle. True stand out with virtually no others similar. Then the ignorant pumpkin wipe started the pipeline 🔥 😢

The road and TH have finally been reopened. With record heat in effect, this a way to end the Flag season with a bang. The earliest start I've ever done helped us get through the I17 issues much easier than last week.

You quickly enter the burn zone. 😞 The shade is mostly gone. Still do have pretty ferns. This outing is a continuous uphill at altitude. No overly difficult sections tho.

Continuing past Doyle was the highlight. Finally I could show my friend what it used to look like. We could see some wonderful fall colors from here. The outing was also solid training for him to tackle r-rim-r soon.
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Another Pipeline Fire survey: Apologies for the lengthy triplog and photoset.

It was a predicted down day for monsoon activity but still hot enough that the highest elevations were desirable. With my tolerance of people making Humphreys literally unhikeable at this time of year, I opted for Fremont. Only thee Hazzers before have posted trips that include the SE ridge route, and I hadn't previously checked out this access either, so I figured today would be a good day for it.

It's been 2 years since the Pipeline Fire, and the FS continues with an official closure of Shultz Pass Road and the Weatherford Trail itself. (Along with the closure of the Inner Basin Road, this severely restricts much of the use of south and east sides of the mountain.)

I stopped by the Wheel of Fortune set and bought a shopping cart full of the vowels I and E before heading off to the end of Freidlein Prairie road. It once accessed 14 amazing campsites, but is now in a year-round camping prohibited area for which the only purpose is to access the wilderness. There were no other vehicles there.

The aspen regrowth along the spur was impressive. The average height was over 4 feet, and a good number of sprouts reached 7 and 8 feet tall. In just TWO years!! This would become a theme on the day in the fire-damaged areas. Upon reaching 102, there was an orange striped A-frame with no further information. I followed the trail through the unburned lower slopes for half a mile before deviating to be in compliance with the forest ordered trail closure.

The trail was lost to a cavernous washout in the drainage at the 9040 contour. I found it remarkably challenging to find a route both into and out of this deeply-carved flood channel. It will require quite a bit of trail work to build a route through this one once the upper slopes have stabilized and limited future flooding. It's a good example of why this trail is closed.

I traversed the adjacent slope steeply and finally gained the Fremont SE ridge at the 9200 contour. This lower ridge is mostly grassland sparsely dotted with both burned and unburned trees. Crossing 102 again at the 9700 contour is where the real burn area began. At this point, travel wasn't terrible -- most of the dead trees are still standing -- but the growth of aspen was so thick that it was reminiscent of manzanita bushes in the Mazzies (only remarkably soft and pleasant, comparatively!)

Three more trail crossings, and the final 102 encounter in the switchback on the ridge at 10,400 brought much of the same. If there were aspen before, there is prolific aspen regrowth now. Where white pine dominated, the forest floor was lined only with new grass and ferns. I did not see a single new pine sprout all day.

I continued up through the burn, encountering the beautiful grassy glade that provides the most direct route to the summit, and covering about 1000 vertical feet. I put effort into making wide switchbacks across the slope to lessen the grade, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit it was a grueling and exhausting endeavor.

Along the way however, the fire scar is left behind, and healthy old pines surround you. It is nice that a portion of this slope, and all of it to the west, was spared. The upper reaches of the ridge enter a more volcanic, bouldery, cinder slope, but there was no problem zig zagging a route through to the summit.

It was a delightful day with a light breeze and beautiful clouds making for dramatic skies. One of the few lady beetles decided to bite my leg, but the swarm of black flies provided only minor nuisance as they tended to themselves on the windbreak rock structure.

I began the return retracing my steps through the glade and down to the 102 at the 10,100 contour before again poaching a short stretch of badly eroded old road. At the 10,000ft switchback I again went off-trail, paralleling another badly carved flood channel through a dense forest of chest-deep new aspen growth. It was rare to have an opening enough to see my feet and where they were landing.

I clipped the trail again in the switchback at 9550, where an absolute disaster of flooding has destroyed any sign of the old roadbed once built here. At this point the flood damage was so pronounced I actually found it easier to walk in the bottom of the drainage, often scoured to a flat-ish sandy bottom.

This canyon bottom had been a fall favorite in the past and I was curious to see how it had fared. The flood damage is extreme, but the lower canyon itself has large swaths of forest that are either unburned, or only lightly damaged by fire. The flood scars will take many years to recover though.

I gave up my exploration in the Aspen Spring area. Flooding has obliterated what might have once existed here, and I set out up the slope to reconnect with Kachina and the spur back to my truck.

There were numerous signs of elk all day -- all those aspen sprouts should provide ample forage for years to come, but I only spotted a couple of small herds of deer in the lower grasslands.

The Fremont ridge route will likely become more difficult (perhaps impossible) in the years to come as the burned trees fall and create a maze of deadfall. There is the treeless glade that exists below the ridge on the west side which should offer a clear path ... but the tiring side slope will add to the effort.

The Weatherford trail is passable now, and it does see some use. I doubt the FS is out there writing tickets for it, rather just posting it as closed so users recognize it as nearly obliterated. It is definitely not the sweet track that trailrunners once cruised on. Deadfall will plague it for a decade to come, and I'm not sure the smooth tread will ever return. The sections I encountered were Y-bar-esque.

The flood damage down below it remarkable. The shelves above the drainages look better than expected and I hope for a quicker recovery here.

All told, it was an enjoyable day on the 2nd highest peak Arizona allows you to visit in summer. I enjoy taking stock of the effects of fire and flooding and keeping track of how the area recovers over time.
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Long day from Humphreys saddle over to Fremont Peak. We summited and then immediately headed back down as a storm was rolling in a couple hours earlier than anticipated. We tried to get below treeline as quickly as possible to take a break but rain/hail made it a little challenging to relax, so ate some snacks quickly and continued out.
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The_Retired_Eagle and I did an over and back to the bus stop. Perhaps an emergency storm shelter but we've always called it the bus stop. The trailhead was maybe half full on this Thursday will autumn in full swing.

Aspen in the lower meadow blazed yellow from bottom to top. Entering the tree cover somebody had to pee(could have been me). Lost track of the eagle until 2.65 mi up. Altitude or something hit me good. I was finding it hard to move quicker than a four-eyed snail by the time we got to the saddle.

Figured I'd reevaluate before heading down at the Weatherford / Inner Basin junction but missed that and kept going. We lunched near the bus stop. One couple came up from below and took a break in a nearby field but that was it for hikers down below. Aspen foliage was past prime, a nice deeper color, and most of the leaves intact. There was one small patch in prime but it all looked better from back up at the saddle.

Inner Basin Trail below the switchbacks to the bus stop seemed ridiculously rocky heading down, yet easier to negotiate on the return ascending.

Two aspirin, half of a bagel sandwich, good company, or all of the above and I felt fine heading back.

Bruce met and chatted with Craig Romano on the upper Weatherford switchbacks after saying hi to him earlier in the day. He has written almost three dozen books, found @ https://craigromano.com

Returning across the ski slope meadow it was packed with sunset explorers and the trailhead was full. Turned out to be a really nice day with perfect weather. By lucky circumstance, I experienced and later figured out a major bug in Route Scout that caused it to lock up on boot and was impossible for those experiencing the issue to submit a debug report. Should have an update out in days.

The opportunity to hike three favorites up north in five days is most appreciated: thx to all!
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Extreme below ski lifts at snowbowl. Several days past prime in Inner Basin
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Joe threw out 3 suggestions. He normally ranks them and always seems to have one that he advertises as "You probably won't want to do this one". Quite often I take that as a challenge.

The real colors of the day were on the way up Snowbowl Road. Parking at Aspen Corner and the area around there was packed and rightfully so, the aspens were poppin.

We started with Temps in the 30's at a half filled TH. Humphreys Summit Trail is my least favorite way up. But there are few legal options currently. With it being a Thursday, traffic on the trail was light.

At the saddle, we started up then down Weatherford. My favorite part of the day. Open views with clear skies. The IB trail is rocky, rocky, rocky.

Lunch at the bus stop and we saw our only 2 people in the IB. We had an option to hike further towards Lockett Meadow, but we both decided we'd had enough and would run out of daylight if we ventured further.

So back the way we came. In the Snowbowl meadow, we hit the golden hour almost perfect. There had to be 50+ people hiking or sitting in lawn chairs waiting for the sun to disappear.
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Notice: Super long triplog and obnoxious photo dump! Intentionally posted excessive detail to share as much of the Pipeline scar as possible.
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After Saturday's 22-mile sufferfest around the north side of the peaks I wanted to take advantage of the near-perfect seasonal colors, lack of typical crowds here, and the minimally publicized end to the area closure, to check out the devastation firsthand.

With the forecast calling for rain and wind by the weekend, I figured it would be good to take advantage of the perfect weather today. In fact, after the cold wind, flurries, and socked-in peaks four days ago, the blue skies today were somewhat ... bland!

After a quick gander at driving 9129D to Alto Spring it became apparent that walking the 552 would be eternally faster. What's an extra 6 miles and 1000 feet on a day like this!? ](*,) There were 3 other cars parked at the gate. I could have easily made the drive, but I can see how the roadbed is too unstable to reopen without some extensive culvert reconstruction and erosion prevention. It'll be interesting to see how this progresses.

Lockett Meadow was in great shape, as we saw from the Waterline Road on Saturday. All the camp sites are fully intact and ready for enjoyment. It was odd to experience this place in autumn gold without another soul in sight.

I was unprepared for the matchsticks that the first quarter mile of #29 now passes through. It is complete and total destruction. But the trail cuts through the scar quickly and emerges into the untouched forest as the remaining trail climbing to the waterline road are as pristine as ever. And today was absolutely perfect for aspen colors; the best I've ever seen them! :)

Above the waterline it was amazing to see how quickly the aspens had progressed from just four days earlier. These trees had lost significant amounts of leaves and looked drab compared to the vibrant yellows just a short distance away. We saw our only other hikers on the trail sitting at the bus stop. They had come over from Snowbowl, and were headed back that way.

We made quick work up the ankle-buster road before hitting Weatherford and climbing up to the saddle. Off-trail to the summit of Fremont is as it has always been, untouched by fire. As LJW reported a couple of weeks ago, this is where things change significantly.

The trip down the ridge to Fremont Saddle follows the burn perimeter, sometimes in untouched forest and others in ash and char. Fire rings remain at the saddle campsites, but everything else is gone. The climb up to Doyle is severely burned. Climbing it was a challenge, descending it might be more of a buttslide. If wet, bring a sled. The ground was always a little bit loose and gravelly here, now it's just ash and dried ash-mud. The bristlecones are just blackened skeletons.

To nobody's surprise, the rudimentary cabin structure just below the peak was completely destroyed. The corrugated roofing materials lay in a heap, collapsed as the wooden structure which supported it no longer exists. Countless nails, the door hinges, and some remnants of metal tools are still in the rubble, but not much else.

At the high point, the summit cairn still held two summit register jars. A plastic jar had melted into the register paper inside, and I made no attempt to remove it. The glass jar survived and the paper inside was charred from the heat. But it survived and is still usable.

From Doyle we headed down the ridge toward the ridge that leads to Schultz. This area is moonscape. It appears that the fire did not burn east of the Schultz Peak ridge (which had previously burned), and there were pockets of unburned (this time) terrain as we headed downhill. North of the 10,569 ridge, the damage was extensive once again. There was a new rain gauge placed here presumably to help warn the downstream neighborhoods of imminent flooding.

As we progressed down the ridge, the damage was total. It wasn't until shortly before reaching the Waterline Road that we started to encounter aggressive aspen sprouts and even a couple of little mosaic islands of unburned mature aspen groves. As we crossed Waterline it was clear that the north slope into the Inner Basin was torched, but the south side meadows down toward Doney Park appeared to be largely untouched, despite being within the perimeter scar.

The views looking up from here were beautiful, with golden fall colors carpeting the entire inner basin. The late afternoon sun prevented us from getting any quality photos.

After returning to Lockett Meadow we began the trip back down the road and caught up with a pair of hikers from Flagstaff who we chatted with for the final mile down to the closure gate.

I might need a hiking break after these last two! It was great to get up and hit the fall colors and get into the fire scar up close, but it's definitely a bittersweet experience. Glad to see what still stands, but sad at what doesn't. Thanks to N for getting out there with me, it was a good day.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Extreme
Prime time in the Inner Basin. It doesn't get any better than this!
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Sufferfest 22, AZ 
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I came up with this plan a month or so ago to take advantage of the pipeline closure area and hopefully hit some seasonal highlights. I had two weekends in mind, and we ended up choosing this over next. It didn't earn this name until it started snowing and we had only made it 20% of the way :sweat: .

In the time since making the plan, CNF updated the closure area, making it a little bit easier to get up here, but we decided to stick to the plan anyway.

Ryan and I drove up Friday and camped in Hart Prairie. The aspens were lemon-lime and the peaks took on some afternoon clouds above 11k which did not break for the next 3 days. We met up with SlowandBi9L :o at Snowbowl in the morning. It was a little bit jarring to my mental psyche exactly how many vehicles were already at the trailhead at this somewhat early hour! This is exactly the feces this planned route was supposed to avoid! ](*,)

Nonetheless, the handful of groups we encountered were quickly forgotten as we made steady progress uphill. We hit the cloud deck at around 11k, and it provided obscured views and some unexpected snow flurries. At the saddle we attempted to take a break, but the wind was miserable and the temps in the cloud and snow dropped to 34, so we put some effort into getting over to the basin and drop some elevation as quickly as we could. (None among us felt the need to add any mileage today to visit a peak we've all been to for the 50-feet views we would be blessed with!)

Near the bottom of the long Weatherford switchbacks we dropped below the clouds and got our first glimpses of the golden basin below. After a short stop at Doyle Saddle, we headed down 29, which has eroded into a rockfest that makes me reconsider my previous opinion of Y-Bar.

We encountered the basin's only other hikers hikers near the bus stop enjoying fall colors and some mushrooms. From here we took a delightfully tibberlike stroll across the Waterline over to Bear Jaw (lots of stops for photos). These 3 or 4 miles were the prime color spots on the day and made all the suffering worth it.

The crux was always going to be the 2 miles from ABJ to AZT. A mile or so was easily maneuvered via old two tracks and some pleasant meadows, but sort of as expected there was some slow going with thick forest and deadfall linking together with random elk tracks before reaching the AZT.

A few miles of mild uphill with great views and stunning autumn things brought us back to the start where dozens of tourists were enjoying the sunset views across Hart Prairie.

It got chilly fast as the sun disappeared and after a long day we went our separate ways to partake of food and beverage as a well-earned reward after this big loop in the Kachina Peaks Wilderness.

I'd actually like to see the FS establish a route between ABJ and AZT as I believe that the Flagstaff trail running population would really enjoy this loop without the extra mileage and annoyance of a few miles on the 418. Not holding my breath.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Substantial
A couple spots in the upper IB past prime. Waterline and upper Bear Jaw perfect. Snowbowl, Aspen Corner, Nature Loop pockets of gold, but still a lot of green.
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Sufferfest 22, AZ 
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Long loop around Humphreys but fun. We started from Snowbowl parking lot with the masses unfortunately but they thinned out as we ascended. By the time we reached the summit saddle we were in the clouds and a light snow was falling. Wind was brutal on the saddle so we quickly descended down the Weatherford trail and away from the masses. Continued on Weatherford to Inner Basin and since the road was partly closed the usual crowds were not an issue.

Stopped at the pumphouse for a break after enjoying some fall color in the basin. Then continued on the Waterline road to enjoy some more fall color. Very nice hiking on the road and great way to enjoy the foliage. Eventually we made it to the Bear Jaw turn off and descended down to the parking lot.

From there the not fun began. We had about 2 miles of off trail to where it meets the AZT. Lots of down trees and general messiness to hike through but eventually reached the AZT and nice trail.

AZT was a fast track back to Snowbowl with some fall color and late day sun made views over Hart Prairie scenic. Reached Snowbowl parking lot as it was getting dark and quite cold. Full day with the long loop!
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Humphreys - Fremont Loop, AZ 
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Couldn't wait the few more weeks for fall and had to have a look for myself at the damage from the summer. Redrew a familiar loop to play within FS rules, avoiding lower Weatherford and Kachina east of the Spur Trail. The whole mountain is still green, except for upper IB, which is just starting to change. Might be back in a week or two; Inner Basin is staying open up from the Waterline junction.

Was hoping for a day of clouds what with the rain and the cool weather we've been having. Forecast called for fog early, and the plan was sealed. Ended up a near-perfect day. Humphreys 151 same as ever. Passed a half dozen groups from saddle and up, and then another half dozen from summit back to saddle. Lots of folks got up for a sunrise summit and missed out on the clouds.

I had upper Weatherford to myself, as well as everything from Humphreys Saddle to Kachina TH for that matter. Lots of traffic on 151 all day long. Low clouds and great visibility. The Ridge from Fremont Saddle was untouched. Clouds built around the summit as I climbed.

Fremont is the summit with the best view of the damage. From there it appeared that Doyle, Schultz Ridge, Fremont's E ridge to Doyle Saddle were burned entirely. The fire did an astonishingly thorough job. Weatherford Canyon below Doyle Saddle, and it's hard to say for sure, was burned about 95% through. The bottom near Schultz Tank seemed to be okay, but everything in between looked like Doyle's slopes apart from a patch or two. Schultz Peak looked similarly, with only a few areas spared.

After an hour, I headed down the SE ridge toward Kachina. That was burned except the highest reaches. In order to avoid the closure, I stuck to the S ridge which was rather clear and stable but very steep. Dense forest and good aspen stands lower down. Emptied into a meadow above Kachina and for the first time since the 2020 Snowbowl closure had that trail to myself.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
Just starting in upper IB
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Weatherford-Doyle-Schultz Loop, AZ 
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We decided to hop out of the oven and head to the peaks.

we started at the Weatherford TH about 8am to a half full TH. It was a bit warm in the lower elevations and was a steady climb up Weatherford. I think we were passed by 4 runners and one hiker on the way up.
Views on Weatherford never disappoint. We took a break at the Saddle next to Doyle before ascending. A couple of hikers coming down from Doyle stopped for a minute to talk and John knew the lady.

The air is thin and the climb is steep and loose going up to Doyle Peak. At 11460 it's only about 1200' shorter the The Hump. We checked out the cabin and the had a half lunch at one of the best views in the state. Great views of all the peaks and the Inner Basin. It actually got a bit chilly up there. It felt good! [ youtube video ]

Next off to Schultz Peak. This is a matter of following the ridgeline 1200' down and around. There are quite a few game trails and signs of trimming many years back. This was a very enjoyable off trail section. We surprisingly even ran into a few areas with snow patches.

On top of Schultz Peak, we had the remainder of our lunch. High Tank was Bone dry (there were bones in it). We continued down the ridgeline to peak 9822 and then started the steep decent to the Waterline Road.

A good time in and around The Peaks
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Bone Dry. There's a game cam set up on the tank
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Weatherford-Doyle-Schultz Loop, AZ 
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Joined Bruce and 9L for Doyle and Schultz Peak and I'm glad we did this one because the very next day it burned from an illegal campfire near Schultz Pass trailhead. However, pre-fire it was fun hike starting up the Weatherford Trail to Fremont Saddle where we took the first break. Heard some voices coming down from Doyle Peak and 9L knew them so we chatted for a few minutes.

After that we started the off trail portion of the hike up to Doyle Peak. It's steep but gets the job done and took a break on top with great views of Inner Basin and Humphreys. We also stopped by the cabin which curious if that survived before continuing on towards Schultz Peak. We found some tread on the ridge down to Schultz that was borderline trail at times. Even found a few patches of snow hanging on. Once on Schultz Peak we took another break. Views are not like Doyle but still a pleasant spot.

Break over we continued down the ridgeline finding tread in some spots. The ridge is really steep towards the bottom but some great forest on the lower slopes (maybe it's still there I can only hope). Made it back to the vehicle by I think 3pm. Great day just bummed what happened the next day :cry:
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Humphreys via Inner BasinFlagstaff, AZ
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I decided to head up to Flag and hike up to Humphreys again. This time I went from the Inner Basin, a route that I like much better than coming from Snowbowl.

There is no snow left on the Inner Basin Trail, although there were a few drifts alongside the trail. The Weatherford Trail is completely snow free -- I was thinking that there might be a little snow left on the trail on the east side of Agassiz, but that was not the case.

It was a nice day for the hike, although clouds started in build in the late morning. On the way back there were a few rumbles of thunder as I descended the Inner Basin Trail, and I got rained on when I got into the open area of the Inner Basin. I stopped for 10-15 minutes in the shelter in the Inner Basin and waited until the rain stopped.

I hardly saw anyone on the hike until I got to Agassiz Saddle. There were quite a few people coming up as I descended from Humphreys down to the saddle, and I had to stop a number of times to let uphill hikers come through. I do not recall ever seeing so many people on this section of the trail.

It was nice to escape the heat of the VOS and do this hike again!
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There were a few flowers here and there, but it is a bit early yet in this area.
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 Eagar AZ
Weatherford Trail #102Flagstaff, AZ
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In my current state of waddlesome sloth, this was a pretty good hike, with nice even gradient. It's terribly dry out there, and I never see much wildlife. Saw three baby horned lizards and a chipmunk. I found out later the trail is actually closed, due to aftermath of the (not very nearby) Tunnel Fire, which has been completely extinguished. Go figger. So I won't be going back until it reopens after June 20. It is a short drive from where I'm living, and would be convenient. {Edit: it's open!]
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Night hike up Weatherford to the Kachina Trail junction. Saw the moon rise, heard spotted owl and great horned owl calls.
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