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Nov 28 2025
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Another overnight, this time with all 3 kids, with the ambitious hope to clear some more of the thick creekside trail. We got some cleared :sweat:

Friday
Early morning start with sunrise, made it up to Castersen via Sandy Saddle (dropped into creek after fighting some uncleared trail) in 4 hours. My pack was stupidly heavy, I'm still carrying most of the overnight gear & trail maintenance tools, had to be darn close to 50 lbs. After setting up camp and enjoying some ramen & pbj wraps I got a few hours of progress on the trail before the sun dipped below the western saddle. As soon as the light left that camp area the temps plummeted, and with it, the kids spirits dropped, and we had a tough evening, even with good food, campfire, and s'mores. Arizona kids just don't like the cold. Luckily they kept warm enough through the night with foam pads & down sleeping bags -- my inflatable pad felt like an ice cube after midnight, should've checked the r-value before packing it.

Saturday
Original plan was to stay for three days, but the cold evening led to mutinous vibes so I negotiated for more trail help in exchange for cutting the trip a day early. With the extra hands we made more progress on the second day, reaching a convenient bend in the creek. Packed up and headed down around 3pm, reaching the trailhead with just enough light to keep headlamps packed.

Still .25 miles left to clear to have an easy hike to Castersen. I swear this trail is getting longer the more we work on it.
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Most of the leaves have fallen, still some spots of color along the creek.

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Heavy flow down both creeks feeding into the area, water everywhere.

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Another quick outing. Early morning, hiked up in the dark with gear and 10 liters of water and got started in the predawn. Forecast called for cloudy skies all day, they didn't show up until 3pm, so it was pleasantly sunny and warm most of the day. Made good progress along easier sections, got almost 250' cleared! Rain started spitting around 4 so decided to head down, bumped into a Kevin on the way down and had some good chats with him (tho I likely bored him with too many stories). Good day in the Mazzies.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Big Kahuna Falls - Mazatzal Wilderness Light flow Light flow
Good flow down the falls, but puddles near the trail are dried up.

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Small trickle across the trail, you could probably find a pool deep enough to pull from.
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Spent the night near Barnhardt trailhead and got an early start around 6 Saturday morning. Made good time getting up to Big Kahuna before the real adventure started. I planned on this loop but in a crunch for time I decided to just take Sandy Saddle trail to check out the Twins. I soon realized this was a big mistake as Sandy Saddle “trail” is in the worst shape I’ve seen any trail. After 1/4 mile or so the trail is completely gone and you have to push through bushes. We persevered for a while before deciding this is going to be too long and it is downright un enjoyable. Upper Barnhardt Canyon runs through this area which was a nice reward for our troubles. Made good time getting back and despite all of the scratches it was a great day!

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Barnhardt Canyon Medium flow Medium flow
Awesome conditions down there. Would be perfect to canyoneer.

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Headed out for a 3-day outing with the two youngest kiddos (8 & 10) to burn some fall-break energy. Late start, Barnhardt Trailhead at 9:40, there were four other vehicles (tho we didn't see anyone else out there until the last day). Each kid had a pack with their clothes and some essentials while mine was comically overstuffed, wish they were bigger fans of cowboy camping. Barnhardt was a delight to walk up: creek was roaring below, hillsides had fresh growth, several seeps were dribbling across the trail, and both Hawaiian Mist & Big Kahuna were flowing. After Barnhardt we turned off on Sandy Saddle, pushing through the bad sections and celebrating our work so far, then dropped down into the creek to avoid the worst of it and rock hopped to camp. Setting up camp and showing the kids where the water sources was (and establishing camp rules) took some time, so only got an hour or so of work on the trail done before it was time to make dinner and tell stories around the campfire.

Next morning we woke up to a thick layer of frost over everything, so we were a bit sluggish getting up. After breakfast I headed back out and did some more trail maintenance, but between a budding cold and semi-constant interruptions my progress was mediocre. It was still beautiful weather and there were plenty of breaks for hanging with the kids, so I wasn't disappointed at all. Plus, the original plan for the day was to visit Deadman Falls, which was voted down based on collective energy levels, so my expectations were low anyways. As the sun dropped we bundled up again and settled in for dinner, only to discover that my whisperlite was clogged and I couldn't fix it, so cooking turned out to be a problem-solving exercise. Stories were shorter on the second night, kids were completely tuckered out by eight.

Last morning was a bit of a rush to pack up and head out in time for an afternoon birthday party. The hike out was more painful to connect to Sandy Saddle, wonder if I can clear the rest of this section to make future outings easier with lots of caffeine and a few long days. Going down Barnhardt went quickly and we passed three groups this time, one of which had admirable ambitions to take Sandy Saddle to Deadman. Hope he made it! There was a bit of excitement with a young tarantula near Garden Spring, otherwise an easy hike out and a quiet drive home :)

220' more feet cleared. Another 800' and our future trips would be a lot easier.
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Some yellows spotted.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Big Kahuna Falls - Mazatzal Wilderness Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Castersen Seep Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Tons of water flowing down both creeks, plus there was a surprise seep seeping, tasted wonderful.

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Healthy flow over trail.

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Kids have fall break for the next two weeks, so I needed to get out and have some quiet time before the chaos begins. Headed out after work, got stuck behind a long delay on 87, reached Barnhardt TH a bit before 6PM. Heavy pack to haul up Barnhardt -- overnight gear, trail equipment, and 15L of water -- had me sweating buckets in the cooling temps. Made it to small camp above Hawaiian Mist before the headlamp came out, slowed down for the last mile to try to reduce the amount of wet, sweaty gear at camp. Setup camp at that awesome spot above the last climb after Big Kahuna. Wind and gusts were a big concern for warmth, so I get to practice my tarp skills.

Early morning to catch some stars, finished the walk to Sandy Saddle, started cutting shortly after 6AM. The first stretch was surprisingly thick manzanita, and I pulled somewhere between 50 and 5000 stumps. After that the tread seems to have held up better and I made faster progress. Temps were great all day, and the strong breeze helped with the cloudless skies. Time passed quickly up there, and it was a bit of a rush to pack up in time to hike out before dark. Even then, the last mile was done under the light of the full moon. Good times.

Another 230' cleared. I don't want to think about how much is left right now.
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Big Kahuna Falls - Mazatzal Wilderness Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
No water at trail crossing, but falls are flowing, pools above trail to filter, and the creek below is flowing.

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Wife birthday weekend means getting the kids out of the house for a day. Early morning, started up the trail before the sunrise with a few welcome shivers. Reached Sandy Saddle after plenty of breaks, then had my eldest make me some coffee while we started the trail maintenance. One of the benefits of extra hands.

We made a solid amount of progress. The manzanita was uncomfortably thick near that black stump where I stopped last weekend, but once we finally got about 40' past it things get really easy -- it's much thinner and smaller. I could walk the tread and angle the loppers straight down and cut. Plus all three were genuinely interested in helping and legitimately useful, which was much appreciated.

After a long lunch and a few scattered snack breaks, we headed down after 3pm.
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Figured it's been too long since getting out there, so on a whim headed out for a solo trail maintenance (and to see how the work done earlier this year has held up). Started up the trail at 5:30am and chased the shadowed sections, humidity had me dripping even when I hid from the sun. Reached Sandy Saddle with little fanfare, checked out the existing work (no fresh overgrowth), made some coffee & oatmeal while drying off, and then got to it.

Didn't make as much progress as I planned. TBH I was feeling pretty drained after a long run yesterday and low sleep, so I took a number of small breaks. Also, the manzanita gets thicker at this point and it was a pain to angle the loppers between the clusters of stems. I wasn't too upset when the loppers broke and I had to wrap early and head down, reaching my car mere minutes before a decent thunderstorm crested the divide behind me.

Another 120' complete. Only 2100' to connect all the way to the camp :tear:
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Took advantage of the somewhat-cooler temps in the area and brought all three kids along for some trail maintenance. Early morning from Phoenix, made it to the trailhead by 6am. With tools & 10L of water my pack felt ridiculous. It was the first time for #2 & #3 in the Mazzies so we took our time up Barnhardt Trail, playing leapfrog with two women on a dayhike, the only other peeps out there today. Venturing down the first part of Sandy Saddle brought out a ton of complaints from the kids -- bushwhacking through manzanita is a bit harder when it's all taller than you. Saw some evidence of recent slashes along the way (thanks @Andrewrc!) and then we set up "camp" at that first wash.

Made some more progress on the "northern" tip, where I stopped last time, though we didn't quite make it to the edge of the ridge (which was my goal for today). With no sizeable deadfall and less brush density we were did make respectable progress (cleared ~200'), though kid-related distractions, cloudless skies, and high temperates sapped a lot of attention. The kids rotated between reading books, chasing butterflies, playing with the shade tarp, and frequently helping me move brush. We also brought a hammock up but yeah, there's no where to set it up (safely, anyways).

The hike down was a quick cruise filled with many stories to pass the time. All in all it was a long, but fun, way to spend a Saturday.
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Thursday morning (Juneteenth) hike up Barnhardt trail to see condition of Sandy Saddle. Many years ago, sandy saddle trail almost killed me… I’ve not set foot on that trail ever since as a result. However, I saw a post from @jacobemerick the other day that he and his son had been doing some trail maintenance on Sandy saddle and I was curious to see the progress. Unfortunately, I had forgotten how challenging Barnhardt is and yesterday was the hottest day of the year (116 in Phx). By the time I got to the SS junction, I was seriously second guessing my decision. Regardless, I tried heading down SS Trail but never even made it to were Jacob had been clearing. I attempted clearing some of the trail but only had a machete to work with… really need some good, large clippers to get through the Manzanita! Sorry Jacob, I don’t think I helped very much.

After a while, I heading back up to Barnhardt and then back down the trail to the parking lot. Really beautiful day but was a bit humbled by this hike. It’s about 2,000 Aeg over less than 4 miles which was no joke on a hot day. Love the Mazatzals but always need to respect this place.

Crashed early and slept like a baby last night…

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Headed up for a bit of solo trail maintenance. Kinda an early start, made it to the start of Sandy Saddle before 8AM with tools & overnight gear. This time I started on the west side of the first drainage, which was one of most overgrown sections, and spent 8 hrs fighting manzanita and deadfall, clearing a few hundred feet :cry: -- at least the partly cloudy and gusty breeze kept things comfortable. Attempted to follow the rest of the trail (got lost twice, good grief its overgrown), and had a chill evening near Casterson Seep.

Was feeling pretty sore on the second day (earned two respectable injuries from the day before, still unsure if I broke something in my hand) so decided to stay close to camp. Started around 5AM on the trail leading from the camp back south, retracing some of the tread that my son & I cleared a month ago. Ran into a few nasty stretches but I'd estimate a total of 500' or more are cleared from the camp back south. There's probably another 1000' left of _real_ nastiness along that drainage, then the rest of the trail will be... slightly easier.

At this point I'd estimate that we've cleared a total of 800' (.15m) over 20 hrs, so we're clearing about 40' an hr. There's 2600' (.5m) remaining from Barnhardt -> Casterson, so 65 hrs (or 8ish days)... Will worry about the other 2+ miles climbing to the saddle later. Unsure if sharing photos, routes, or tools would be useful for others interested in doing similar work, but the before/after photos are ridic :lol:
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Less water flowing from pool to pool than in Apr, still enough clear water to scoop around the algae.
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Oldest son & I headed out to try our hand at trail maintenance. We headed out on Friday afternoon, hauling overnight gear & tools up the Barnhardt Trail. Reached the Sandy Saddle Trail pretty easily and then it took us over an hour to bushwhack our way down to Casterson Seep :lol:. Filtered water, cooked dinner, ate s'mores, and watched the stars multiply above.

Woke up early on Saturday to start clearing. Took me an hour to clear the deadfall on the short spur leading from Sandy Saddle to the campsite, that was a hint for how intensive this project was going to be. We then had breakfast and continued to clear, cutting deadfall, trimming manzanita, and often uprooting plants that were in the tread itself. After 4 hours we had a respectable path cleared from the drainage to the camp and we were both exhausted, so we decided to call it. Took the drainage up to Barnhardt Trail to skip the bushwhacking and followed it down to the trailhead, just in time to get stuck in that 87 closure and have to circle around by Globe.

All-in-all it was a good, tough, weekend, and I have a ton of respect for trail maintainers. Son is really excited to continue clearing the trail to show off to his friends, so we'll be back there throughout the summer :)

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Big Kahuna Falls - Mazatzal Wilderness Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Waterfall was trickling and there were multiple deep, clear pools just off trail to pull from.

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Several algea-filled pools directly below the seep, trickling into larger, clear rock tanks that tasted... okay.
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Had a few goals for the day:
- Get back on Mazatzal Peak
- Check out the snow melt in the drainage to the north
- Use the same drainage to get down to Barnhardt Canyon
- Ascend Peak 6768 from the south
Started at the Barnhardt TH at sunrise with one car already there. Went clockwise to keep most of the climbing out of the snow.

Followed basically the same track up Suicide Ridge as in 2020. It was much less of a bushwhack this time around, and I managed to avoid the worst of it. It is still as steep as ever to make the ridge. More and more snow climbing up, toward the bottom a few inches with drifts toward the top up to a foot deep. It started to get slippery as the sun got going overhead. Fifth summit and first time ever meeting folks on the mountain above the trail. Talked the mountains for a little and didn't see each other again until 9 hours later for a fireside beer back at the trailhead.

Visibility on top was great, the weather perfect. Sauntered over to Mazzy Peak's twin 7832. Had never made the effort before and now it's unskippable for me. Descended from that peak to the drainage through the forest which had a solid foot of snow nearly the whole way down. There's rocks and boulders hidden underneath and I got to sliding and falling a few times. Strongest flow of water there I've seen, but it was frankly dangerous descending through the steepest parts of the chute. It was covered in deep snow and very slippery to down climb through, especially not knowing what was underneath. The consolation prize was all the cascades and the big water fall up top.

Went straight past the trail and down, and along the way I passed Sandy Saddle Trail's old track, which is now non-existent around Casterson Seep. The drainage is the easiest way down there. After a couple more waterfalls, the canyon cliffs out, so I climbed to the east through bands on 5923. It pretty clear of brush, though tough climbing in the heat of the day. Got down to Barnhardt Canyon where only two massive pines remain.

Climbed through the grass up 6768. Easy to avoid bushwhacking, only a little scrambling, but it is super steep from that direction, short as it may be. Better on a weekend when there's an audience for the effort. Clear blue skies and a top tier view of Suicide Ridge. It's all so much closer together than it seems. Climbed up to 7571, which is a similar story for the terrain. Grassy, though not as steep. Nearing 7559 the snow deepened until it was six inches to a foot descending. Sliding on the snowy jasper is a hell of a workout.

Rock Creek had snow until after the falls. As good of a flow as I've seen there. Started to hustle, being back on trail. Ran out of water on Half Moon and it made for a long 4 miles. Got back with only ten minutes by headlamp.
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This was a trip four years in the making. Four years ago I first went up Barnhardt, and in my amazement I wondered among other things if it were possible to climb the mountain that looms over the canyon on its north side, Peak 6768. That one as well as the higher mountain 7571 that's connected to it and only comes into view higher up the trail. I couldn't find any reference to anyone summiting 6768, so I came up with this route. Looping around from Barnhardt on Half Moon and Rock Creek, I climbed the crest of the Mazatzals from more or less Rock Creek Falls to Sandy Saddle, topping the two summits on the way and out-and-backing 6768, before returning via Sandy Saddle, MDT, and Barnhardt.

Don't have much to report on Half Moon and Rock Creek other than to say the former is lost to the grass for some short distances at the moment that might be confusing, and latter is in absolutely perfect shape. I left Rock Creek where the trail switchbacks out of the creek a short distance above the falls. The way I came there was a little scrambling, and overall it was only a light bushwhack. It felt steep as anything. Following the eastern edge of the crest rewards with huge views down Rock Creek and up close views of the giant white cliff wall above. Once the terrain flattened out the route entered a cliffside forest of juniper and ponderosa pine. If i hadn't been looking at it off in the distance I'd have sworn I was on The Rim. 7559 is a forested summit but an interesting, untouched spot in the Mazzies.

The ridge walk to 7571 is open and awesome. Big views in every direction, leading to a jaw-dropping panorama from the summit. Really interesting angle on Mazatzal Peak, and much like from that summit most of the state is visible. It was the best peak of the day. Mine was the fourth entry in the register since it was placed 11 years ago.

Dropped 900ft and climbed back up 200 to gain 6768. No register, no benchmarks. It was as good as I had hoped. If you drop 200ft to the east like I didn't you can get a look down at lower Barnhardt. It was a really interesting view of the upper Barnhardt Trail and felt surprisingly close to the lookout/campsite across the canyon 3.5mi up Barnhardt Trail.

I climbed back up to 7571 for one last look and then down to Sandy Saddle. There are strips of grass between the manzanita and brush, so the climb down was pretty clear. It is prohibitively steep, however. Sandy Saddle Trail was around for a second or two at the saddle, and then I was in the creek most of the way. After trying the section from saddle to MDT, when I do this again I'd drop from 6768 to Sandy Saddle Trail around Casterson Seep. The conditions are even worse that way, but it's a lot shorter and is probably worth it despite the bushwhacking and rock hopping, and it looked like from the summit the last mile or so of Sandy Saddle by Barnhardt is still around.

Raced up MDT and down Barnhardt trying to beat the sunset. The Barnhardt washout is still there, though the rest of the trail is in tip-top shape. Didn't see anyone all day, but there was a car at the TH at the end. The road to the TH keeps getting rockier.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
Mostly all gone but it felt more like fall than winter. Lower Barnhardt only place still finishing up.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Barnhardt Creek at Half Moon Trail Light flow Light flow

dry Big Kahuna Falls - Mazatzal Wilderness Dry Dry
Pools in creek below


water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Rock Creek Falls - Mazatzal Wilderness Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Pools below and above
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Jun 06 2020
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Barnhardt - Sandy Saddle LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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I really like this area, but I get bored quickly hiking the same trails over and over. I saw the old guide of the Sandy Saddle trail. Seemed pretty complete, although it would be a challenge. I'm in decent shape for a 63 year old guy, and confident in the wilderness. How bad could it be? For me, 15 miles is 2 days, no matter what. I planned to stay in the camps near the top of the Barnhardt trail, and walk out early on day 2.

Barnhardt Trail #43
Took me about 3 hours to get to the junction with the Sandy Saddle trail, including a long stop at the remains of the falls to recharge my water. Just a few pools there. See separate water report.

Sandy Saddle Trail #231
It was no problem to find the junction with the Barnhardt Trail, and the trail is clear and easy to follow down the ridge, off the side of the ridge, and to the first little wash. Spent a little time trying to find the remains of the trail. There are cairns in the wash, but seemingly nothing like a trail on the other side. Eventually found the remains of the trail, and started pushing through.

Between the GPS track in the official log, and a good sense of trail finding, I was able to get to Casterson Seep, no water there. Finding the trail up from the seep baffled me for a long time. Eventually just crashed through the brush for a while, and eventually found the trail where it got more open, and followed it down to the next wash. Stayed in the wash until it was time to climb the ridge, and this is where the real pain began. I'm not sure if I was ever really on the trail as I climbed and climbed. This was exhausting. 3 helicopters (or 1 three times) flew over while I was doing this. Wondered what they thought of the old man out in the middle of nowhere.

Found a cairn where the trail bears right at the top of the ridge, and followed the trail down to the "deep cut". It seemed to disappear into a wall of oaks. I just dropped down and across the cut, and spent a lot of time hunting for the track on the other side. At one point, I was totally walled in by Manzanita, wondering if I would ever be seen again. But thanks to the track and the old USGS map loaded in my Garmin, which seemed pretty accurate, I was able to find the track on up to Sandy Saddle. From here, the way was easy, because I just followed the wash all the way down to the Mazatzal Divide Trail / AZT. I never even bothered to look for the trail after Sandy Saddle.

It took 6-7 hours for me to negotiate those 3 miles. Never would have made it without the GPS track. I'll have to buy a new pair of zip offs, which were ripped to shreds. I'll be having Manzanita Dreams for weeks. My calves will be bruised as well

Mazatzal Divide Trail #23
When I found this, I was in heaven. This trail is in great shape. Followed it back to Chilson Spring (good water). Had to turn on my headlamp as I arrived there, and had a nice chat with the frogs in the spring box. Continued along the AZT to a series of nice camps, just short of the intersection with the Barnhardt Trail. Saw a bunch of "cyclops spiders" in my headlamp. Very cool. Broke camp at 6:15, and headed down the

Barnhardt Trail #43
Made the best time I could heading down in 4.5 hours including rest breaks.

(Made my water reports separately).

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Big Kahuna Falls - Mazatzal Wilderness Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Just a drizzle coming down in the falls. A few pools with water. Have to climb up to the falls to find these.

dry Castersen Seep Dry Dry
Completely dry

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Chilson Spring Dripping Dripping
Spring box is full of good tasting water. Both frogs and algae in the tank, but water is clear.
 
Jun 03 2018
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Barnhardt - Sandy Saddle LoopPayson, AZ
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Realized it is already halfway through 2018 and I haven't been in the Mazzies yet. This is a simple loop that needed no extra planning to put together.

Barnhardt #43
Started from an empty trailhead. Trail is in good shape. Waterfalls are dry. Fascinating how quickly the temps change from shivery-cold to sweaty-hot as you swing in and out of the drainages.

Sandy Saddle #231
Tried to be more conscious of following the old tread this time, confident that I had it all the way to Castersen. Brief break near the tanks before pushing up the other side, then didn't really try to follow trail again until I was going up the main ridge. Few switchbacks at the beginning that I didn't notice on my last hike. Climb seemed shorter this time (probably because I had a daypack on) and hit the saddle feeling good. Promptly stepped on an agave and the tip broke off on the inside of my foot. Wasted time on the other side of the saddle digging that out and eating some tuna before bouncing down towards the superhighway junction. Overall it can be tracked with a careful eye, a GPS definitely helps, and it will make you bleed.

Mazatzal Divide #23
Last time I hiked the section of this from Sandy Saddle to Chilson was in 2016, before some intense trail maintenance, and it is gold now. Huge views, lovely tread, just a lot of fun. There are a few prickly pears to step over, that's about it. Swung up to Chilson Spring while in the area, which is clean and full.

Barnhardt #43
This trail again? It was hot now, but I was going downhill and didn't care too much. Ran into a group of five near the waterfalls, we chatted a bit at the parking lot.

Even though I've already covered these trails it was great to get back in these mountains and try out a new loop. TBH I kept thinking about Rock Creek today, would be fun to do that loop again with these summer temps.
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Castersen Seep Dripping Dripping
Few tanks below still had water, though they were opaque.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Chilson Spring Dripping Dripping
Recently cleaned out, would be easy to pull water from now. Water was dripping out of the holder. Looks like the lid was intentionally removed.

dry Hawaiian Mist Dry Dry
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Barnhardt Trail #43Payson, AZ
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Linda, Nora, Marilyn, and I did an out-and-back hike on the Barnhardt Trail. We hiked out about five miles prior to returning.

Along the way, we attempted to hike some of the Sandy Saddle Trail. My plan was to hike Sandy Saddle to Casterson Seep and then hike down the drainage to the first waterfall of Barnhardt Canyon. We made it perhaps a little over a quarter of a mile along Sandy Saddle, however. We hiked down to a drainage with a number of cairns indicating the way across. There seemed to be a good path for perhaps 20 or 30 yard and then it became less distinct. A short while later, we lost the trail entirely - that's where we turned back. I had a GPS track; we could have gone on, but none of us were all that excited about doing an out and back through which we would have had to push through manzanita.

Though the lower parts of the Barnhardt Trail are more scenic, I found the fire damage of the parts beyond mile 4 to be interesting as well. We saw lots of downed trees, some with many circular holes, almost like someone had drilled a bunch of holes of uniform diameter into them. I was more surprised by the apparent uniformity of the holes than I was by their mere presence.

On the way down, we saw a small toad. It hopped over the edge of a boulder near the edge, but managed to hang on by one or two claws. Amazingly enough, it managed to pull itself back up over the edge of the rock. It's a far better climber than I am.

The trail wasn't especially busy, though we did see several other groups of hikers.

There were puddles near each of the two falls. Big Kahuna had a small trickle coming down.
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Club CabinPayson, AZ
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The planned route was an attempt to follow @Lizard's original Club Cabin description with two key differences: I wanted to reverse it and use Sandy Saddle to go up (instead of Half Moon / Rock Creek). However, things didn't go well and I ended up bailing on the last leg.

Barnhardt #43
First time heading up this trail in daylight. Starting to get a bit overgrown in sections, all friendly green stuff that never hurt nobody. Bumped into a yuge group (12+) from Prescott Comm. who were doing a 3-week trip from here to Fossil Creek. These would be the last people I'd see in... a long time.

Sandy Saddle #231
Good grief. Even getting to Castersen Seep involved trekking-poles-above-head wading through the manzanita. There are sections of defined tread and clear track, they are just few and far between. Castersen was okay, few tanks w/ skunky water. Had a hard time tracking trail over to the next wash, and that last climb doesn't believe in switchbacks. Made it to the saddle proper with the sunset, a solid hour behind schedule. This would make a decent camp, plus there were tanks few hundred yards to the west for water. Unsure of how dependable they are.

Anyways, didn't even try to look for tread coming down the west side, just dropped in the drainage and followed it down. The wash was easy enough to navigate in the twilight / moonlight and I made it to Divide Trail, then Horse Camp Seep, without needing headlamp. Rehydrated and snoozing in hammock by ten.

Mazatzal Divide #23
As usual, big views. Was cool to look down from the ridge above the Park and try to track where Willow Spring plays on 6351'. Trail is in great shape. Thought about pushing on to Pete's Pond to camel up and didn't - stupid mistake.

Willow Spring #223
Heh. That first mile is turrible. Deadfall wasn't really a problem, more the manzanita and loose rocks underfoot. Found no cairn or tread along the way. Got a gnarly bloody nose here too thanks to a face-whacking branch, took way too long to stem the flow. Things got better on the ridge, with old tread and game trails providing an easier way forward through the shorter brush. Views across Maverick Basin were ridiculously awesome, too.

The dance along the side of 6351' was annoying, with the trail fading in and out of existence and too few cairns to connect the dots, and a pretty steep hillside to work along. Short section of good trail on the drop until it faded out again and I ended up taking a rocky drainage down to wash below. At this point I was starting to run low on water and decided to stick to the sandy wash in hopes of finding water (and maybe to avoid the manzanita/deadfall mix that waited on the southern bank). Found a decent tank (though I suspect it was only there from last night's rain) and filtered up, spooked an elk while packing up, and then hacked my way back up to trail.

Things gradually got easier along the ridge and, by the time I bumped into the Midnight Mesa Junction, the trail was straightforward to pick out. Dancing along the side of Midnight Mesa was downright fun, and the rest of the hike to Mountain Spring was enjoyable as well. Reached the spring with two hours of daylight for camp chores and treated myself to some homemade thai curry mix and a quick trough-side rinse-off.

Aside from the second night: at about ten at night that elk showed up for a drink. Darn thing was less than ten feet away before I realized he wasn't another tiny nocturnal rodent. Seeing a giant rack upside down, looking down on you as you cowboy-camp, is a hell of a way to wake up. Spooked him off and then fell back asleep to his annoyed bugles. Elk sound silly when they're angry.

Deadman #25
Getting to the junction is easy to follow, and there is a good path w/ cairns that lead down to Horse Creek. And then it disappears. Tried going up and down the banks a few time to find where it climbs and eventually just hacked up the hill. It's frustrating, because there are two old barbed fences to cross, and one would think that there'd be a gate or cairn or something to mark where you're supposed to pass through them - nothing. Got to practice my Zeta-Jones skills squeezing underneath the wires, at least. Tread shows up at the next drainage crossing and is easy to follow for the next mile, then gets faint on the long drop to Deadman Creek.

Deadman Creek seems to be dependable here, with lots of friendly trees and some reeds growing around the trickling waters. Trail was hard to track on the other side - I crossed, got to the corral, and then followed the fence east, and then lost it. Think I should have gone further east. Anyways, hacked my own way up some turrible brush and then picked a route up the hill. Found a few cairns but the tread wasn't trackable for too long. Felt like it took forever to climb up to the saddle. Once I reached the top, feeling a bit light-headed from the growing heat, I was immediately stung several times by a wasp. Made it down to the junction w/ Davenport Trail before the reaction started getting serious.

This is when things get a bit blurry. I reached out to wife (@klemerick) via inReach and let her know what had happened. I decided to head up to Club Cabin and rest for a while, took every ounce of energy to make it up that hillside - something was definitely off, either from heat or sting or both. Once I got there I remember wandering around, uncertain of what to do next, taking almost an hour before realizing that I should be drinking water given the 100+ temps. @klemerick was in constant contact and she decided that I needed to get out of there the fastest way possible, down Davenport, and that she and @reynchr would help me out along the way. Spent the rest of the day futzing around the cabin, not doing much of anything, mostly trying to get a grip on things. It was terrifying.

Davenport #89
Woke up the next morning feeling slightly better, still off. Those little climbs, especially near Rock Spring, kept knocking the wind out of me. At least the path was easy to track after the last few days - think I only lost it twice, and was able to quickly backtrack and get back on it. Don't know how I had such a hard time following it last year lol. Made it about halfway down that last mesa, outside the wilderness boundary, when a USFS truck showed up to give me a ride the rest of the way.

My rescuers, @klemerick and @reynchr, had spent the night at Sears Trailhead and left a water cache for me there while they went back and tried to find a way to get their vehicle across the Verde. By sheer luck they bumped into a ranger at the camp and explained the situation. He had access to the dam gates and drove over to save me the last four miles of hiking, which was definitely appreciated. Made it out of there in relatively good shape, though I was still shaky and weird from the day before. I have no idea how I would have gotten out of there without their help, though - trying to cross back over to Barnhardt would have been far outside my capabilities in my shape. Am very grateful for them.

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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Big Kahuna Falls - Mazatzal Wilderness Pools to trickle Pools to trickle

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Castersen Seep Dripping Dripping
Well, the seep proper was dry, but there were tanks downstream that held water.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Club Spring - Table Mountain Quad Quart per minute Quart per minute
Main hole was full, pools/trickles went almost halfway to cabin.

dry Dog Spring Dry Dry

dry Hawaiian Mist Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Horse Camp Seep Dripping Dripping
Tanks were lowest I've seen them.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Mountain Spring - Mazatzal Dripping Dripping
Some trickle along creek, cement trough was full (and quite green).

dry Rock Spring Dry Dry
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Deadman Falls, AZ 
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The first thing I heard shortly after starting up Barnhardt was the sound of running water. The snow melt was far past prime, but I was still hopeful that I might see something when I got to Deadman Canyon. Something was about all I got but I was not disappointed. The views from the north fork of Deadman Canyon are awesome and worth the trip. The falls in full force would have been spectacular.

I didn't get started until after 8:30. The parking area was nearly full and Barnhardt was quite busy. I passed 10 people on the way up and a dozen or more people were enjoying the falls at Big Kahuna when I arrived. After leaving the falls, I took Barnhardt to the Divide trail, then started an off trail straight route up the hill NW of the divide trail.

Once on top, I meandered over to peak 6952 and then dropped down to Sandy Saddle before the final leg to Deadman Falls. Great views on top of the hill. I took a short break up there, taking in the views to the west, including Deadman Canyon.

On my descent to Sandy Saddle from the peak, a thicket of old and new growth Manzanita turned what was once a hike worthy of shorts and a tee into a slow bushwhack that might have left some pin striping had I not been wearing long pants and shirt sleeves. From Sandy Saddle, I took the Sandy Saddle trail the rest of the way to Deadman falls. It was slow going.

By the time I got to Deadman Falls, I was out of time to do anything other than grab a few pictures and eat a late lunch. That area is very cool. My very short time there left me wanting more. I'll have to come back, paying closer attention to the snow melt so I get the most out of the falls on this hike.
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Wildflowers Observation Isolated
Some lupine at lower elevations. Not much else.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Big Kahuna Falls - Mazatzal Wilderness Medium flow Medium flow
Still rocking, and very popular today.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Garden Seep Quart per minute Quart per minute
Probably more than that.

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A few nice pools nearby.
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Barnhardt - Sandy Saddle LoopPayson, AZ
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I've had this one on the radar for awhile now. Got to thinking with the recent rains there may be some good waterfalls up on Barnhardt. Well there was water everywhere BUT in the waterfalls. Kinda strange really.

The Sandy Saddle Trail was decent for maybe 70% and the rest was hard to follow or overgrown. I never had a sense of lost direction just lost trail sometimes. The Fenix GPS was used extensively on this one.

Overall an enjoyable hike.
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