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Sandy Saddle Trail #231 - 6 members in 17 triplogs have rated this an average 1.2 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Took advantage of the somewhat-cooler temps in the area and brought all three kids along for some trail maintenance. Early morning from Phoenix, made it to the trailhead by 6am. With tools & 10L of water my pack felt ridiculous. It was the first time for #2 & #3 in the Mazzies so we took our time up Barnhardt Trail, playing leapfrog with two women on a dayhike, the only other peeps out there today. Venturing down the first part of Sandy Saddle brought out a ton of complaints from the kids -- bushwhacking through manzanita is a bit harder when it's all taller than you. Saw some evidence of recent slashes along the way (thanks @Andrewrc!) and then we set up "camp" at that first wash.

Made some more progress on the "northern" tip, where I stopped last time, though we didn't quite make it to the edge of the ridge (which was my goal for today). With no sizeable deadfall and less brush density we were did make respectable progress (cleared ~200'), though kid-related distractions, cloudless skies, and high temperates sapped a lot of attention. The kids rotated between reading books, chasing butterflies, playing with the shade tarp, and frequently helping me move brush. We also brought a hammock up but yeah, there's no where to set it up (safely, anyways).

The hike down was a quick cruise filled with many stories to pass the time. All in all it was a long, but fun, way to spend a Saturday.
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Thursday morning (Juneteenth) hike up Barnhardt trail to see condition of Sandy Saddle. Many years ago, sandy saddle trail almost killed me… I’ve not set foot on that trail ever since as a result. However, I saw a post from @jacobemerick the other day that he and his son had been doing some trail maintenance on Sandy saddle and I was curious to see the progress. Unfortunately, I had forgotten how challenging Barnhardt is and yesterday was the hottest day of the year (116 in Phx). By the time I got to the SS junction, I was seriously second guessing my decision. Regardless, I tried heading down SS Trail but never even made it to were Jacob had been clearing. I attempted clearing some of the trail but only had a machete to work with… really need some good, large clippers to get through the Manzanita! Sorry Jacob, I don’t think I helped very much.

After a while, I heading back up to Barnhardt and then back down the trail to the parking lot. Really beautiful day but was a bit humbled by this hike. It’s about 2,000 Aeg over less than 4 miles which was no joke on a hot day. Love the Mazatzals but always need to respect this place.

Crashed early and slept like a baby last night…

Andrew

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Headed up for a bit of solo trail maintenance. Kinda an early start, made it to the start of Sandy Saddle before 8AM with tools & overnight gear. This time I started on the west side of the first drainage, which was one of most overgrown sections, and spent 8 hrs fighting manzanita and deadfall, clearing a few hundred feet :cry: -- at least the partly cloudy and gusty breeze kept things comfortable. Attempted to follow the rest of the trail (got lost twice, good grief its overgrown), and had a chill evening near Casterson Seep.

Was feeling pretty sore on the second day (earned two respectable injuries from the day before, still unsure if I broke something in my hand) so decided to stay close to camp. Started around 5AM on the trail leading from the camp back south, retracing some of the tread that my son & I cleared a month ago. Ran into a few nasty stretches but I'd estimate a total of 500' or more are cleared from the camp back south. There's probably another 1000' left of _real_ nastiness along that drainage, then the rest of the trail will be... slightly easier.

At this point I'd estimate that we've cleared a total of 800' (.15m) over 20 hrs, so we're clearing about 40' an hr. There's 2600' (.5m) remaining from Barnhardt -> Casterson, so 65 hrs (or 8ish days)... Will worry about the other 2+ miles climbing to the saddle later. Unsure if sharing photos, routes, or tools would be useful for others interested in doing similar work, but the before/after photos are ridic :lol:
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Less water flowing from pool to pool than in Apr, still enough clear water to scoop around the algae.
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Oldest son & I headed out to try our hand at trail maintenance. We headed out on Friday afternoon, hauling overnight gear & tools up the Barnhardt Trail. Reached the Sandy Saddle Trail pretty easily and then it took us over an hour to bushwhack our way down to Casterson Seep :lol:. Filtered water, cooked dinner, ate s'mores, and watched the stars multiply above.

Woke up early on Saturday to start clearing. Took me an hour to clear the deadfall on the short spur leading from Sandy Saddle to the campsite, that was a hint for how intensive this project was going to be. We then had breakfast and continued to clear, cutting deadfall, trimming manzanita, and often uprooting plants that were in the tread itself. After 4 hours we had a respectable path cleared from the drainage to the camp and we were both exhausted, so we decided to call it. Took the drainage up to Barnhardt Trail to skip the bushwhacking and followed it down to the trailhead, just in time to get stuck in that 87 closure and have to circle around by Globe.

All-in-all it was a good, tough, weekend, and I have a ton of respect for trail maintainers. Son is really excited to continue clearing the trail to show off to his friends, so we'll be back there throughout the summer :)

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Big Kahuna Falls - Mazatzal Wilderness Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Waterfall was trickling and there were multiple deep, clear pools just off trail to pull from.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Castersen Seep Quart per minute Quart per minute
Several algea-filled pools directly below the seep, trickling into larger, clear rock tanks that tasted... okay.
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Mazatzal Peak SummitPayson, AZ
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Had a few goals for the day:
- Get back on Mazatzal Peak
- Check out the snow melt in the drainage to the north
- Use the same drainage to get down to Barnhardt Canyon
- Ascend Peak 6768 from the south
Started at the Barnhardt TH at sunrise with one car already there. Went clockwise to keep most of the climbing out of the snow.

Followed basically the same track up Suicide Ridge as in 2020. It was much less of a bushwhack this time around, and I managed to avoid the worst of it. It is still as steep as ever to make the ridge. More and more snow climbing up, toward the bottom a few inches with drifts toward the top up to a foot deep. It started to get slippery as the sun got going overhead. Fifth summit and first time ever meeting folks on the mountain above the trail. Talked the mountains for a little and didn't see each other again until 9 hours later for a fireside beer back at the trailhead.

Visibility on top was great, the weather perfect. Sauntered over to Mazzy Peak's twin 7832. Had never made the effort before and now it's unskippable for me. Descended from that peak to the drainage through the forest which had a solid foot of snow nearly the whole way down. There's rocks and boulders hidden underneath and I got to sliding and falling a few times. Strongest flow of water there I've seen, but it was frankly dangerous descending through the steepest parts of the chute. It was covered in deep snow and very slippery to down climb through, especially not knowing what was underneath. The consolation prize was all the cascades and the big water fall up top.

Went straight past the trail and down, and along the way I passed Sandy Saddle Trail's old track, which is now non-existent around Casterson Seep. The drainage is the easiest way down there. After a couple more waterfalls, the canyon cliffs out, so I climbed to the east through bands on 5923. It pretty clear of brush, though tough climbing in the heat of the day. Got down to Barnhardt Canyon where only two massive pines remain.

Climbed through the grass up 6768. Easy to avoid bushwhacking, only a little scrambling, but it is super steep from that direction, short as it may be. Better on a weekend when there's an audience for the effort. Clear blue skies and a top tier view of Suicide Ridge. It's all so much closer together than it seems. Climbed up to 7571, which is a similar story for the terrain. Grassy, though not as steep. Nearing 7559 the snow deepened until it was six inches to a foot descending. Sliding on the snowy jasper is a hell of a workout.

Rock Creek had snow until after the falls. As good of a flow as I've seen there. Started to hustle, being back on trail. Ran out of water on Half Moon and it made for a long 4 miles. Got back with only ten minutes by headlamp.
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7559 - 7571 - 6768 Loop, AZ 
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This was a trip four years in the making. Four years ago I first went up Barnhardt, and in my amazement I wondered among other things if it were possible to climb the mountain that looms over the canyon on its north side, Peak 6768. That one as well as the higher mountain 7571 that's connected to it and only comes into view higher up the trail. I couldn't find any reference to anyone summiting 6768, so I came up with this route. Looping around from Barnhardt on Half Moon and Rock Creek, I climbed the crest of the Mazatzals from more or less Rock Creek Falls to Sandy Saddle, topping the two summits on the way and out-and-backing 6768, before returning via Sandy Saddle, MDT, and Barnhardt.

Don't have much to report on Half Moon and Rock Creek other than to say the former is lost to the grass for some short distances at the moment that might be confusing, and latter is in absolutely perfect shape. I left Rock Creek where the trail switchbacks out of the creek a short distance above the falls. The way I came there was a little scrambling, and overall it was only a light bushwhack. It felt steep as anything. Following the eastern edge of the crest rewards with huge views down Rock Creek and up close views of the giant white cliff wall above. Once the terrain flattened out the route entered a cliffside forest of juniper and ponderosa pine. If i hadn't been looking at it off in the distance I'd have sworn I was on The Rim. 7559 is a forested summit but an interesting, untouched spot in the Mazzies.

The ridge walk to 7571 is open and awesome. Big views in every direction, leading to a jaw-dropping panorama from the summit. Really interesting angle on Mazatzal Peak, and much like from that summit most of the state is visible. It was the best peak of the day. Mine was the fourth entry in the register since it was placed 11 years ago.

Dropped 900ft and climbed back up 200 to gain 6768. No register, no benchmarks. It was as good as I had hoped. If you drop 200ft to the east like I didn't you can get a look down at lower Barnhardt. It was a really interesting view of the upper Barnhardt Trail and felt surprisingly close to the lookout/campsite across the canyon 3.5mi up Barnhardt Trail.

I climbed back up to 7571 for one last look and then down to Sandy Saddle. There are strips of grass between the manzanita and brush, so the climb down was pretty clear. It is prohibitively steep, however. Sandy Saddle Trail was around for a second or two at the saddle, and then I was in the creek most of the way. After trying the section from saddle to MDT, when I do this again I'd drop from 6768 to Sandy Saddle Trail around Casterson Seep. The conditions are even worse that way, but it's a lot shorter and is probably worth it despite the bushwhacking and rock hopping, and it looked like from the summit the last mile or so of Sandy Saddle by Barnhardt is still around.

Raced up MDT and down Barnhardt trying to beat the sunset. The Barnhardt washout is still there, though the rest of the trail is in tip-top shape. Didn't see anyone all day, but there was a car at the TH at the end. The road to the TH keeps getting rockier.
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Mostly all gone but it felt more like fall than winter. Lower Barnhardt only place still finishing up.

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Barnhardt - Sandy Saddle LoopPayson, AZ
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Realized it is already halfway through 2018 and I haven't been in the Mazzies yet. This is a simple loop that needed no extra planning to put together.

Barnhardt #43
Started from an empty trailhead. Trail is in good shape. Waterfalls are dry. Fascinating how quickly the temps change from shivery-cold to sweaty-hot as you swing in and out of the drainages.

Sandy Saddle #231
Tried to be more conscious of following the old tread this time, confident that I had it all the way to Castersen. Brief break near the tanks before pushing up the other side, then didn't really try to follow trail again until I was going up the main ridge. Few switchbacks at the beginning that I didn't notice on my last hike. Climb seemed shorter this time (probably because I had a daypack on) and hit the saddle feeling good. Promptly stepped on an agave and the tip broke off on the inside of my foot. Wasted time on the other side of the saddle digging that out and eating some tuna before bouncing down towards the superhighway junction. Overall it can be tracked with a careful eye, a GPS definitely helps, and it will make you bleed.

Mazatzal Divide #23
Last time I hiked the section of this from Sandy Saddle to Chilson was in 2016, before some intense trail maintenance, and it is gold now. Huge views, lovely tread, just a lot of fun. There are a few prickly pears to step over, that's about it. Swung up to Chilson Spring while in the area, which is clean and full.

Barnhardt #43
This trail again? It was hot now, but I was going downhill and didn't care too much. Ran into a group of five near the waterfalls, we chatted a bit at the parking lot.

Even though I've already covered these trails it was great to get back in these mountains and try out a new loop. TBH I kept thinking about Rock Creek today, would be fun to do that loop again with these summer temps.
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Few tanks below still had water, though they were opaque.

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Recently cleaned out, would be easy to pull water from now. Water was dripping out of the holder. Looks like the lid was intentionally removed.

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Linda, Nora, Marilyn, and I did an out-and-back hike on the Barnhardt Trail. We hiked out about five miles prior to returning.

Along the way, we attempted to hike some of the Sandy Saddle Trail. My plan was to hike Sandy Saddle to Casterson Seep and then hike down the drainage to the first waterfall of Barnhardt Canyon. We made it perhaps a little over a quarter of a mile along Sandy Saddle, however. We hiked down to a drainage with a number of cairns indicating the way across. There seemed to be a good path for perhaps 20 or 30 yard and then it became less distinct. A short while later, we lost the trail entirely - that's where we turned back. I had a GPS track; we could have gone on, but none of us were all that excited about doing an out and back through which we would have had to push through manzanita.

Though the lower parts of the Barnhardt Trail are more scenic, I found the fire damage of the parts beyond mile 4 to be interesting as well. We saw lots of downed trees, some with many circular holes, almost like someone had drilled a bunch of holes of uniform diameter into them. I was more surprised by the apparent uniformity of the holes than I was by their mere presence.

On the way down, we saw a small toad. It hopped over the edge of a boulder near the edge, but managed to hang on by one or two claws. Amazingly enough, it managed to pull itself back up over the edge of the rock. It's a far better climber than I am.

The trail wasn't especially busy, though we did see several other groups of hikers.

There were puddles near each of the two falls. Big Kahuna had a small trickle coming down.
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The planned route was an attempt to follow @Lizard's original Club Cabin description with two key differences: I wanted to reverse it and use Sandy Saddle to go up (instead of Half Moon / Rock Creek). However, things didn't go well and I ended up bailing on the last leg.

Barnhardt #43
First time heading up this trail in daylight. Starting to get a bit overgrown in sections, all friendly green stuff that never hurt nobody. Bumped into a yuge group (12+) from Prescott Comm. who were doing a 3-week trip from here to Fossil Creek. These would be the last people I'd see in... a long time.

Sandy Saddle #231
Good grief. Even getting to Castersen Seep involved trekking-poles-above-head wading through the manzanita. There are sections of defined tread and clear track, they are just few and far between. Castersen was okay, few tanks w/ skunky water. Had a hard time tracking trail over to the next wash, and that last climb doesn't believe in switchbacks. Made it to the saddle proper with the sunset, a solid hour behind schedule. This would make a decent camp, plus there were tanks few hundred yards to the west for water. Unsure of how dependable they are.

Anyways, didn't even try to look for tread coming down the west side, just dropped in the drainage and followed it down. The wash was easy enough to navigate in the twilight / moonlight and I made it to Divide Trail, then Horse Camp Seep, without needing headlamp. Rehydrated and snoozing in hammock by ten.

Mazatzal Divide #23
As usual, big views. Was cool to look down from the ridge above the Park and try to track where Willow Spring plays on 6351'. Trail is in great shape. Thought about pushing on to Pete's Pond to camel up and didn't - stupid mistake.

Willow Spring #223
Heh. That first mile is turrible. Deadfall wasn't really a problem, more the manzanita and loose rocks underfoot. Found no cairn or tread along the way. Got a gnarly bloody nose here too thanks to a face-whacking branch, took way too long to stem the flow. Things got better on the ridge, with old tread and game trails providing an easier way forward through the shorter brush. Views across Maverick Basin were ridiculously awesome, too.

The dance along the side of 6351' was annoying, with the trail fading in and out of existence and too few cairns to connect the dots, and a pretty steep hillside to work along. Short section of good trail on the drop until it faded out again and I ended up taking a rocky drainage down to wash below. At this point I was starting to run low on water and decided to stick to the sandy wash in hopes of finding water (and maybe to avoid the manzanita/deadfall mix that waited on the southern bank). Found a decent tank (though I suspect it was only there from last night's rain) and filtered up, spooked an elk while packing up, and then hacked my way back up to trail.

Things gradually got easier along the ridge and, by the time I bumped into the Midnight Mesa Junction, the trail was straightforward to pick out. Dancing along the side of Midnight Mesa was downright fun, and the rest of the hike to Mountain Spring was enjoyable as well. Reached the spring with two hours of daylight for camp chores and treated myself to some homemade thai curry mix and a quick trough-side rinse-off.

Aside from the second night: at about ten at night that elk showed up for a drink. Darn thing was less than ten feet away before I realized he wasn't another tiny nocturnal rodent. Seeing a giant rack upside down, looking down on you as you cowboy-camp, is a hell of a way to wake up. Spooked him off and then fell back asleep to his annoyed bugles. Elk sound silly when they're angry.

Deadman #25
Getting to the junction is easy to follow, and there is a good path w/ cairns that lead down to Horse Creek. And then it disappears. Tried going up and down the banks a few time to find where it climbs and eventually just hacked up the hill. It's frustrating, because there are two old barbed fences to cross, and one would think that there'd be a gate or cairn or something to mark where you're supposed to pass through them - nothing. Got to practice my Zeta-Jones skills squeezing underneath the wires, at least. Tread shows up at the next drainage crossing and is easy to follow for the next mile, then gets faint on the long drop to Deadman Creek.

Deadman Creek seems to be dependable here, with lots of friendly trees and some reeds growing around the trickling waters. Trail was hard to track on the other side - I crossed, got to the corral, and then followed the fence east, and then lost it. Think I should have gone further east. Anyways, hacked my own way up some turrible brush and then picked a route up the hill. Found a few cairns but the tread wasn't trackable for too long. Felt like it took forever to climb up to the saddle. Once I reached the top, feeling a bit light-headed from the growing heat, I was immediately stung several times by a wasp. Made it down to the junction w/ Davenport Trail before the reaction started getting serious.

This is when things get a bit blurry. I reached out to wife (@klemerick) via inReach and let her know what had happened. I decided to head up to Club Cabin and rest for a while, took every ounce of energy to make it up that hillside - something was definitely off, either from heat or sting or both. Once I got there I remember wandering around, uncertain of what to do next, taking almost an hour before realizing that I should be drinking water given the 100+ temps. @klemerick was in constant contact and she decided that I needed to get out of there the fastest way possible, down Davenport, and that she and @reynchr would help me out along the way. Spent the rest of the day futzing around the cabin, not doing much of anything, mostly trying to get a grip on things. It was terrifying.

Davenport #89
Woke up the next morning feeling slightly better, still off. Those little climbs, especially near Rock Spring, kept knocking the wind out of me. At least the path was easy to track after the last few days - think I only lost it twice, and was able to quickly backtrack and get back on it. Don't know how I had such a hard time following it last year lol. Made it about halfway down that last mesa, outside the wilderness boundary, when a USFS truck showed up to give me a ride the rest of the way.

My rescuers, @klemerick and @reynchr, had spent the night at Sears Trailhead and left a water cache for me there while they went back and tried to find a way to get their vehicle across the Verde. By sheer luck they bumped into a ranger at the camp and explained the situation. He had access to the dam gates and drove over to save me the last four miles of hiking, which was definitely appreciated. Made it out of there in relatively good shape, though I was still shaky and weird from the day before. I have no idea how I would have gotten out of there without their help, though - trying to cross back over to Barnhardt would have been far outside my capabilities in my shape. Am very grateful for them.

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Well, the seep proper was dry, but there were tanks downstream that held water.

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Main hole was full, pools/trickles went almost halfway to cabin.

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Tanks were lowest I've seen them.

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Some trickle along creek, cement trough was full (and quite green).

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The first thing I heard shortly after starting up Barnhardt was the sound of running water. The snow melt was far past prime, but I was still hopeful that I might see something when I got to Deadman Canyon. Something was about all I got but I was not disappointed. The views from the north fork of Deadman Canyon are awesome and worth the trip. The falls in full force would have been spectacular.

I didn't get started until after 8:30. The parking area was nearly full and Barnhardt was quite busy. I passed 10 people on the way up and a dozen or more people were enjoying the falls at Big Kahuna when I arrived. After leaving the falls, I took Barnhardt to the Divide trail, then started an off trail straight route up the hill NW of the divide trail.

Once on top, I meandered over to peak 6952 and then dropped down to Sandy Saddle before the final leg to Deadman Falls. Great views on top of the hill. I took a short break up there, taking in the views to the west, including Deadman Canyon.

On my descent to Sandy Saddle from the peak, a thicket of old and new growth Manzanita turned what was once a hike worthy of shorts and a tee into a slow bushwhack that might have left some pin striping had I not been wearing long pants and shirt sleeves. From Sandy Saddle, I took the Sandy Saddle trail the rest of the way to Deadman falls. It was slow going.

By the time I got to Deadman Falls, I was out of time to do anything other than grab a few pictures and eat a late lunch. That area is very cool. My very short time there left me wanting more. I'll have to come back, paying closer attention to the snow melt so I get the most out of the falls on this hike.
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Wildflowers Observation Isolated
Some lupine at lower elevations. Not much else.

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Still rocking, and very popular today.

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Probably more than that.

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A few nice pools nearby.
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Aug 03 2014
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Barnhardt - Sandy Saddle LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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JuanJaimeiiiTriplogs 2,400
Hiking16.12 Miles 3,517 AEG
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I've had this one on the radar for awhile now. Got to thinking with the recent rains there may be some good waterfalls up on Barnhardt. Well there was water everywhere BUT in the waterfalls. Kinda strange really.

The Sandy Saddle Trail was decent for maybe 70% and the rest was hard to follow or overgrown. I never had a sense of lost direction just lost trail sometimes. The Fenix GPS was used extensively on this one.

Overall an enjoyable hike.
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Jul 13 2014
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Y Bar Sandy Sandy Saddle Barnhardt Loop, AZ 
Y Bar Sandy Sandy Saddle Barnhardt Loop, AZ
 
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FOTGTriplogs 1,052
Hiking18.66 Miles 4,641 AEG
Hiking18.66 Miles   8 Hrs   13 Mns   2.42 mph
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1st trip
Today was just a relaxing 18 mile jaunt through the Mazzies. However, before going over details of latest venture into an area that is quickly finding itself near the top of my favorite areas to go list, I would like to give a personal thanks to Mazatzal or Richard to most I assume.

In my infancy on HAZ one day back in November I had a PM titled "Thunder Guy New Ideas." It was after I had completed my somewhat bittersweet quest to hike every mile of every trail (not counting tourist traps) in the Supes. The theme of the PM can be summed up with this quote from Richard.

you should take look at the mazatzal wilderness. It is a wonderful place and way more remote and challenging (referring to Supes) but so rewarding to those willing to do arduous backpacks.


I will be 100 percent honest the Mazatzal Wilderness was not even on my radar at that point. However, he had me sold with the use of the words "remote" and "challenging." Since his PM I have not gone crazy in the Mazzies. Yet, I feel that between Twin Buttes, the Gorge, Deadman Mesa and more recently some areas off Barnhardt I am slowly earning my Mazzie stripes. With each hike and backpack I am left wanting more, and I can't wait to really tackle this wilderness in the cooler wetter months. It was a great lead to a new hiking area for me and I am very grateful for that. I should also mention that I bother Kyle about ten times a week with questions and crazy ideas leading up to these Mazzie trips as well. He has also been a great asset and I know he shares a similar affinity for the area. We just have to get out there together for something epic Kyle, let's make that happen come Fall.

Now back to today's hike.

Going with Joe's model for this one.

Y-Bar: Great trail! Aside from waterfalls that I have yet to see I would put this above Barnhardt actually. Can't go wrong with the little ponderosa forest and trail was in great shape, easy to follow. Felt a little lethargic and fatigued early on, was still working out some lactic acid from a good leg work out on Thursday.

Mazatzal Divide Trail: Easy sailing, easy to pick up far in distance, a couple of overgrown areas near some side drainages, damn that New Mexican Locust can really swallow a trail in a hurry! I hope I am using correct term for that devil tree/plant.

Brody Seep Trail: Only mistake I made all day. I should have listened to the hike description author's suggestion of taking slightly longer route to Chilson Spring area via Mazatzal divide. However, the small silver lining is I think I have identified the starting off point for the elusive Fisher Trail.

Sandy Saddle Trail:
Thank you NONOT for that great official route! It was spot on! Not the greatest trail, but I love a little challenge, and some rumors of its demise may be slightly exaggerated. However, I would recommend pants in lieu of Nike running shorts..sigh..Sandy Saddle is main attraction, actually a nice little area, perhaps future camp site for this guy, but overall, I don't think most would want to make it a special point to do this trail.

Barnhardt Trail Joe's Falls are probably more similar to a leaking faucet right now, however, enough water to keep a guy alive, soak your hat, head, satisfy the pups or drown someone with a little effort. ;) Dark humor sorry, its an infantry thing.

Plenty of water in canyon adjacent to trail, actually flowing strong in spots, but as an ECON teacher I applied the Law of Diminishing Returns and did a little cost benefit analysis of the situation and scrambling down the steep banks for the sake of a quick swim was not worth it to me today.

No Blanco no Cup today, I think the heat and lack of water may have even got to Blanco today and he is resting up for a quick turnaround to Primitive Blue Range on Wednesday. Likewise, as much as it pains me to say, I am not so inhibited when I go solo and I can really crank out quality miles at a much quicker pace, so it was probably for the best today.

Consumed a lot of water, donated about a half a pint of blood to wilderness Gods and for a third week in a row finished to some nasty thunder and lightning. I am starting to feel like a storm chaser, except the storms are chasing me! :o

Final Note: Bring on this "Midnight Mesa Loop" I hear of...I am ready!...well I think I am anyways ;)
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Nov 03 2012
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Barnhardt - Sandy Saddle LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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toddakTriplogs 577
Hiking19.00 Miles 3,500 AEG
Hiking19.00 Miles   10 Hrs      1.90 mph
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1st trip
Up Barnhardt, over Sandy Saddle, south on MD23, down YBar. The "trail" to Sandy Saddle is overgrown and faint-to-nonexistent.
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Sep 01 2008
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 Phoenix, AZ
Barnhardt - Sandy Saddle LoopPayson, AZ
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nonotTriplogs 514
Hiking15.50 Miles 4,735 AEG
Hiking15.50 Miles   9 Hrs   15 Mns   1.68 mph
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1st trip
Fog and clouds throughout the morning acted as a buffer against rising temps for the morning into the early afternoon, though the fog aka humidity, made it somewhat sticky.

Barnhardt Trail was interesting, I checked out the second of the two waterfalls and found the unsigned junction with Sandy Saddle "Trail". The description is right on, I could not locate the trail near Casterson Seep (and could locate no water near Casterson seep). I found it again on the hill to the north for awhile, but attempting to follow the old map led me into some 45 degree vegetation choked slopes. It is far better to descend into the drainage at this point and to follow the creekbed. I located most of the trail on the climb up the steep ridgeline, curse that section!

Sandy Saddle was a bit of a disappointment, but I did see some elk tracks. The descent from Sandy Saddle to the northwest is fairly easily found and followed until you reach the main drainage. I found bits and pieces of the trail, but stayed in the creekbed for a good portion. I eventually found a decent section of trail that allowed me to quadruple my speed. Just before reaching the divide, I caught te-wa's group, who had set off earlier in the day.

I heeded their suggestion and went to see the Deadman Canyon waterfalls, pretty impressive dropping 300-400 feet.

From there we made our way home on the faint Divide trail (though much better than Sandy Saddle), and brought it home on the Barnhardt. The final 3 miles were a bit warm as the sun was out in full strength and we were losing elevation.

I'll give Barnhardt a 4
Sandy Saddle a 0
Divide a 2
Deadman Falls a 5

I guess that averages out somewhere to about 3.

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May 03 2002
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Barnhardt Trail #43Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Backpack16.00 Miles 3,200 AEG
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Set up shuttle at Rock Crk TH. Barnhardt->Sandy Saddle trail. Camped at Castersen Seep. Explored down canyon to first drop off.

Day 2
Sandy Saddle trail to MDT, camped at Horse Camp Seep. Took a trip along MDT to the bluff overlooking The Park.

Day 3
MDT to Rock Creek and down to the shuttle.
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May 13 2000
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 Mesa, AZ
Barnhardt - Sandy Saddle LoopPayson, AZ
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Hiking16.00 Miles 4,735 AEG
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Barnhart Trailhead—Horse Camp Seep and back via Castersen Seep.
14 mi.

As usual, an easier hike up to the Castersen Seep Trail junction. Manzanitas in bloom, other flowers, many birds, lizards. Met maybe 12 people.
Cutoff trail to Castersen Seep is moderate down. Sign is down at Castersen Seep; the seep itself is slightly east of the trail, beyond the main camping area. Though there was no running water, the seep itself had two large pools remaining. On the way back, we found the pools and filtered water.
From Castersen to Sandy Saddle is steep (1 hr. up, c. ½ mi.) It’s hard to go up, but doable, better early in day.
At Sandy Saddle, we decided to check Horse Camp Seep. (We got there circa 2:30 p.m.) Horse Camp was not running, though we found one waterpocket remaining after a short reconnaissance.
The Barnhart waterfall was still barely trickling, with waterpockets. We made it down by 7 p.m., after starting @ 9:30 a.m.
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May 13 2000
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Barnhardt - Sandy Saddle LoopPayson, AZ
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Hiking16.00 Miles 4,735 AEG
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1st trip
We went up Barnhardt and took Sandy Saddle to Mazatzal Divide trail (this was before the fire and SS trail was okay back then). We took a detour to Horse Camp Seep and then completed the loop on MDT and Barnhardt.

We drove over to Rock Creek and car camped so we could do Rock Creek the next day. Dinner: steak, asparagus and beer. :)
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