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General Crook Trail #130 - Coconino NF - 20 members in 94 triplogs have rated this an average 2.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Barbershop Trail #91Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Hiking11.19 Miles 1,409 AEG
Hiking11.19 Miles   6 Hrs   13 Mns   2.17 mph
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Day 3 of 3 cabin loop: starting near buck springs, at start of barbershop trail/Terminus of u bar trail, going to Houston brothers, to general crook, ending at general springs.

We enjoyed being in some fall colors. Some on barbershop, but lots and lots on Houston brothers.

No water at Coyote springs, but at Bill McClintock draw just past Coyote springs there were pools of water and a very nice campsite.

After climbing out of the draw, the trail goes onto old and current forest roads, or crosses them. It is sometimes confusing where the trail leaves/joins the old roads, but routescout is useful to help with that, and some things are signed with small markers.

Considerable water pools were also in Dane canyon and barbershop canyon.

We had a snack at FR300 then started back towards the car. The official route for general crook trail as part of the cabin loop is not at all accurate. Nor is the general crook route shown on the topo map. The general crook trail follows FR300 almost exactly. You are almost always in direct sight of the road, and the trail is blazed consistly on the trees with silver V markers. The route was useful to pick up the first instance of the trail from road where Houston brothers trail lets out.

A great backpacking weekend! :)
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Mostly on Houston brothers, with some color on barbershop.
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Few wildflowers on general crook section only. Mainly thistle and daisies

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Cabin Loop - Mogollon RimPayson, AZ
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Kept hoping this forest bath would get better. It never did. Miles and miles of monotony.
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Myrtle Point Direct, AZ 
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Hiking15.55 Miles 3,037 AEG
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Seemed improbable, but it goes, boys.
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Myrtle - Babe Loop, AZ 
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It was my turn to pick so I found a unique hike we haven't hiked often with an easy 4,288 aeg, breezy enchanting 67.4 -79.82 degrees. We settled on a flat death march in near-freezing conditions with one good ascent.

Highline Trail #31
I enjoy the segment we hiked today in peak Autumn foliage. It is loaded with pines and a good mix of nice oaks. It's crystal clear the AZT does not maintain this portion. Large portions of the tread are in good to very good condition. A few turns are not clear or misleading. Some of the grades flaunt Y Bar tread.

Myrtle Trail #30
This is a wildly nice trail with the best views.

General Crook Trail #130 - Coconino NF
When in Rome. Somebody slipped one past the goalie, it's getting trail maintenance.

Babe Haught Trail - Hatchery to Knoll Lake
The top half challenges my wuss balance, otherwise nice views. I dry heaved after the flat treatment, downed a bunch of cold water, and felt fine. I'll never hear the end of it... lol

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Enchanting weather, fun company, pocket lint exciting rim hikes aren't my thing but there were nice portions.
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Isolated paintbrush, salsify, lupines in the pines, dandy lions (aka dandelions)

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General Crook Trail V51-V57, AZ 
General Crook Trail V51-V57, AZ
 
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Rim Road has a project going on. Currently from miles 36-40. Runs through October. On a low traffic mid-week before Memorial Day, the delay was 15 minutes. I started searching for V51 at 9:35 a.m. After 30 minutes (red on the attached route), I was unsuccesful. All I found was the happy face balloon. I found four more balloons before my day was done. 🤨

AZ Conservation Corps had a crew working the next 1¼ miles. Their work is much appreciated, but the chevrons were mostly easy to follow. V52 was right where I expected.

I saw many small patches of snow. The overnight low was around 32℉, but hike temps were perfect.

I foundr V53 about 250 ft. west of where it was previously mapped. The trail crosses FR 295 at Rim Road. Walking out of the woods, I startled a group of eight dirt bikers. Friendly guys, but they were headed 175 miles up to Page! 😳

I followed Rim Road for a bit, until I found a chevron whereupon I re-entered the treeline. V54 was where I expected.

I didn’t see a chevron marking where to turn off FR 752, nor for the next 200 yds., so you’ll want to download a GPS route. The trail then switchbacks down to Lake #4, which was wet for the first time I can remember. Climbing up from the lake, V55 is 300 ft. west of where I expected. I’ve been by V55 before, and hadn’t noticed, so it was quite a surprise to turn around see a "V55" also carved in a tree! I assume it’s an original etching since it was a tall dead tree, with the snapped off upper half laying across the trail. 🤔

From the Jesus Tree -- or was it Moses? -- I got back on Rim Road. After passing the Sitgreaves sign, I dropped off the road, picking the trail back. I found the V56 arrow rock in the middle of the trail. The post is maybe 20 ft. off the trail, about 300 ft. west of its prior indicated location.

After crossing an anonymous dry lake, the trail gets a bit confusing. I accidentally wandered off trail. Up a draw, I found a tree with a chevron, following the trail back to where I lost it. (This sort of wandering accounts for the extra three miles I hiked.) The chevroned singletrack trail — not old road bed — paralleled Rim Road eighty feet below.

As I was looking for V57, an oddity occured: I could see a chevron downslope, next to the road, but the trail, also with chevrons, continued following the contour. I stayed on trail, moving slowly. I never saw anything related to V57 actually on the General Crook Trail. Completing the segment at FR 115, I doubled back down Rim Road: After searching V57's indicated location for 20 minutes, I gave up.

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General Crook Trail V6-V16, AZ 
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The climb from the campground to Sawlog Tank is 3,000 ft. in ten miles. After a flat first mile, the slope is pretty consistent, varying from 250-400 ft./mile. Not a lot, but steady. Enough overall, I split the segment over two weeks.

Week 1: Starting at AZ-260, I hiked through Clear Creek CG to the end of the dir road. I had a moment of confusion with the web of trails in the creek basin. I found a knee-deep way across the creek, picking up the first cairn atop the 10 ft. bank. The trail follows the old wagon road up a bluff, onto the mesa. Post V7 was just 100 ft. from the highway.

The trail follows the north side of the highway east for the next two miles, to post V9. (Oddly painted on its side, rather than its top.) Sometimes obviously singletrack, sometimes old graded road bed, the trail is never more than 250 ft. from the highway. If in doubt, stay closer to the fence. I was trying to follow the chevrons and cairns.

Just past the 3-mile mark, the old road bed crosses a cattle grate to the highway. Instead, split left through the wire loop gate to stay on the trail. The canyon to your left (north) is Black Mountain Canyon.

I may have wandered off course a bit past mileage post V9, where the trail is as much as 250 yds. from AZ-260, out of sight, on the north side of the spur it’s been ascending. At least part of the time, I was on another wagon road. Maybe not the Boy Scout route, but perhaps the original trail? In any case, at 5½ miles I arrived at FR 9243C, completing my day, having barely noticed the elevation gain.

Week 2: The trail starts off following FR 9243C, but splits right onto singletrack after 100 yds. Initially, I missed the turn. If you look on satellite view, you can see old road bed paralleling and crisscrossing the highway. I continued following the various trail markers. One cairn had a broken, unpainted, wood post — which may have been V12, as it was about three miles from V9, and cairns are otherwise not posted.

The trail climbs 100 ft. towards the butte, then dips towards the highway. That's where I crossed the mesh fence, squeezing between the top barbed strand and the mesh. As I was checking out V13, my shuttle driving wife drove up. Since she only enjoys my adventures via video, this was an easy one to show her in person.

The trail climbs 100 ft. out of the gully, to the base of the butte’s cliff. It’s not sketchy, but mind your footing along the cliff. The trail changes to graded roadbed. Not sure if it is is Crook’s original trail, or a Model T-era dirt successor built prior to AZ-260. 🤔

The next mile and a half of road is the steepest part of this segment. But at least it is smooth sailing. Nice flower coverage too. Tons of cliff rose!

The road continued upwards, but at a mellower angle, past Sawlog Tank #2, the General Crook Trail turnoff, and Sawlog Tank #1 to my waiting wife at the intersection of FR 9243D and the highway.

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X21: desert evening primrose, tufted evening primose, Gordon’s bladderpod, cerulen rickie, desert chicory, lesser yellowthroat gilia, winding mariposa lily, blue mustard, Lindley’s false silverpuff, owl clover, suncup, desert paintbrush, redstem stork’s bill, cliff rose, distant phacelia, desert globemallow, strawberry hedgehog, cliff fendlerbush, Gooding’s verbena, whitestem blazing star and ... *deep breath* ... ashen milkvetch.
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General Crook V43-V51, AZ 
General Crook V43-V51, AZ
 
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I originally planned to hike from General Springs Cabin (V43) to FR 295E (V53). The night before, I scaled it back two miles to FR 137. Good thing I did!

I started hiking a 9:00 a.m., @The_Eagle’s route from the cabin, past the spring. I didn’t see a single trail marker in over a mile. No sooner had I recorded a note to that affect, than right in front of me I saw a chevron. Turning the opposite direction, I saw a second chevron, and a path past that. I had bumped into the proper route. 👍

I followed the path past the second chevron, ¾ of mile downhill, to just above the battle memorial. Proper General Crook Trail route established, I turned around and headed back to where I picked it up. (The attached GPS file contains the correct route.)

If I hadn’t scaled back my hike, I might not have finished until dark. Thankfully, once I picked up the trail, it was fairly obvious. At times, it even looked groomed, like by a Mini Cat or compacting machine.

I found V45 just before crossing Rim Rd., 1¾ miles from General Springs Cabin. It was 100 yds. before where previous information indicated. At 2¼ miles, @The_Eagle’s route diverted left on FR 300F. After some consideration, I continued on the trail.

V46 was just past that FR 300G, approaching Dude Lake -- which was bone dry. I never found V47.

It was VERY windy all day, even when not directly on the Rim, at the top of a canyon.

At the Dry Dude Creek observation point, an orange ribbon marks the trail’s route over a steep little hill.

I found V48 a mile later, five miles into this segment, just before the Bonita Creek OP. The trail through the Dude Fire moonscape was obvious.

V49 is 200 yds. east of FR 145. When you cross a road, pay attention to where the trail resumes on the far side: I built at least three small cairns to help, including on FR 321 at 6¾ miles. Which, I should mention, was my tenth mile, due to all my backtracking. (My hike stats typically exceed the route by ~25%). 😅

The trail disappeared on the east side of FR 321. There were no chevrons either. I followed the occasional orange ribbon, which indicated what I believed to be the proper route.

Just before V50, I found a chevron, and just past it picked up the trail. At 7¾ miles, the trail splits right to cross Rim Rd. for at least the dozenth time.

The trail is only briefly on the south side of Rim Rd., as it passes through the burn area above Ellison Creek. (Which was the windiest canyon yet!) The final 300 yds. of this segment, to FR 137, are on Rim Rd. Mile marker V51 is somewhere just a few yards northwest of that intersection. Search as I might, I couldn’t find it — unless it was that piece of moldy log?

So far, this has been my favorite General Crook Trail hike!

Vimeo has not been behaving well the last few months, so I opened a Rumble account. Need to start hedging my bets. If I had done that with YouTube back in the day, I wouldn't have had to reupload everything to Vimeo.

Compare & contrast 👇
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The oak were just beginning to change -- at least on top of the Rim.
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Despite being late in the year, and after a poor monsoon, I spotted Mexican silene, hairy golden aster, Arizona thistle, New Mexico fleabane, Wheeler’s thistle, dandelion, fetid goosefoot, goldenrod, mullein, western yarrow, and what I believe was New Mexico fleabane. Plus others.
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GCT 27 to Baker Butte LO, AZ 
GCT 27 to Baker Butte LO, AZ
 
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It had been over 10 years since Denny and I last traversed this section of the General Crook Trail. This was one of three sections about which we were not confident that we had followed the trail as described in the book I possessed. I had always wanted to return and attempt to pinpoint where we went wrong. The book and map clearly indicated the trail running east of 29 Mile Butte and following Corduroy Wash to GCT MM31. This was further reinforced by my discovery of two GC chevrons in Corduroy Wash during an unrelated hike.

I had initially planned to venture out there in the spring, but the Wilbur Fire/controlled burn in May thwarted those plans.

Fast forward to Thursday. It was time for a walk in the woods. I had a hunch that the book might be incorrect. I decided to dedicate the day to a GC chevron hunt, with a particular focus on exploring a potential route west of 29 Mile Butte after FR144.

To keep a long story short, instead of turning east on FR144 (as per the book/map), I continued straight through. Bingo! I stumbled upon the familiar GC chevrons. I followed these markers all the way out to V31 on the other side of SR87.

My next goal was to investigate the relocated grave of Andres Moreno, as reported by @kingsnake in June ( [ triplog ] ), and then ascend to the Baker Butte LO, which I hadn't visited in over 10 years.

The lookout is no longer staffed (or should I say "personed"?); cameras now scan the landscape.

Upon returning across SR87, I decided to descend into Corduroy Wash and search for additional chevrons. Unfortunately, I didn't find any more chevrons besides the two I had previously mentioned. So, I'm not entirely sure what's happening there.

During the day, I had the pleasure of spotting a mule deer and three elk. It seems that the bulls have finally shed their velvet.

The totals are for the entire hike, and the track has been adjusted to account for the "explorations." Not an exciting hike, but I needed to clear things up.
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General Crook V27-V33, AZ 
General Crook V27-V33, AZ
 
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I planned to do this segment back in June, but the Wilbur Fire scotched that plan. Currently, no two resources agree on the General Crook Trail’s exact route. Personally, I’m trying my best to follow the Boy Scouts.

You might suspect that from V27 to V33 would be six miles. You would be wrong. It is eight miles. Taking the fixed point of V21, from the previous segment, then this segment’s FR 9361K trailhead is at milepost 26.7. V31, next to AZ-87, is also known, and it is two miles from there to Baker Lake. I knew something was funny before I headed out.

The fire had not burned as throughly as it appeared from the highway. Some trees were not burnt at all, others only singed, some killed, and even a few that left only an ashen “ghost” of where they fell. Mostly, the damage was concentrated around individual trees, not many contiguous acres.

After 10 minutes searching, I could not find V27 where Bowman claimed it was, on FR 9405D and AZ-260. Measuring from V21, Twentynine Tank is about mile 28½ on the GCT. Rounding up, 29 — not 27½ per Bowman. The tank’s water level was very low. A ⅓ mile past the tank is where things got interesting.

FR 9405D ends at FR 144, which is a very nice gravel road. Across FR 144 is a camping area. (More on this later.) Hiking @The_Eagle ‘s route, I turned left, following FR 144 for a mile along the lower northern slope of Twentynine Mile Butte to FR 9385G — Bowman’s “V28” at the “old logging track”. I turned south on FR 9385G along the east side Twentynine Mile Butte. After a ½ mile, I realized I had seen no chevrons on either FR 144 or FR 9385G. 🤔

I briefly considered cutting cross-country to Corduroy Wash. Instead, I continued down FR 9385G, past an unnamed tank — Bowman’s “Trail Tank”? — to a double gate. Right of the gate was the first chevron I’d seen in two miles, laying in the dirt, where it’d fallen off a burnt tree. I nailed it back up. I searched 100 yds. that way and found a second chevron. Interesting. Another 100 yds., another chevron.

I kept following the chevrons, cross-country, along the west side of Twentynine Mile Butte. There was only a hint of trail: Basically a clearing in the sparse brush. After ½ mile, the chevrons tracked along FR 6176 and FR 9387A back to the camping area I mentioned earlier. I’d found the correct route: At the end of FR 9405D, turn left on FR 144, then take the next right onto FR 9387A. Then follow the chevrons. 🧭

All that extra travel added over four miles and two hours to my day.

I doubled back to the double gate. The chevrons continued on the south side of FR 9385G, for more easy cross-country travel to FR 9387H. I took a lunch break in the shade.

Afterwards, I hiked south on FR 9387H, then along FR 9382G for the final chevron-following ½ mile to AZ-87. V31 is easily visible across the highway.

On the other side of AZ-87, trail turns north, along the west side of a barbed wire fence. For some reason the chevrons were red, not white or silver. Just before mile marker V32 — which I did not find — the official trail crosses the fence, following foot trail and decommissioned jeep trail to Baker Lake. The turn may be gated, but I missed it. I was just too used up. 😓

I dragged into the Rim Rd. trailhead at 4:00 p.m. The attached route is correct, with my wanderings edited out.

Hike Video: https://vimeo.com/862873973 <-- following the correct route
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Besides the pictured flowers, I found yellow evening primrose, red and yellow pea, yellow salsify, alpine false spring parsley, American vetch, sunflower (which were all along AZ-260), dandelion

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A couple of steers were drinking out of it, and munching grass. But the water was not obvious.

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Very low. Muddy. The unnamed tanks on FR 9361K, and FR 9385G looked decent. (Is the latter "Trail Tank"?)
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General Crook Trail #130 - Coconino NFCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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From now on, I am following the chevrons nailed into trees by the Boy Scouts in 1976.

A quarter mile past Kehl Spring Campground, there is a pullout on the left, that you can park in if you don’t want to pay the campground’s $8 day use fee. That's where I followed a chevron onto what appeared to be old trail. The trail soon disappeared in an old burn area, tangled with slash and wild raspberry. Not for the last time, the chevrons also disappeared. I picked my way through the path of least resistance to FR 141.

On FR 300, just past the yellow “sharp curves-next 2 miles” signs, are two chevrons, seeming to indicate the General Crook Trail heads off road to the right. I went that way, except it was even more tangled, and comes back to Rim Road in 200 yds. anyway. Not worth it.

Just past FR 300K, I followed a chevron right, onto what seemed to be trail. The route was ferns and grass, crossed by small logs. The trail seemed to peter out after ¼ mile, so I got back on FR 300. Looking at the route on satellite view, I think it is actually the flat upper reaches of a wash that drops over the Rim.

I followed @The_Eagle ‘s route where it cut a sharp FR 300 corner, just to get my feet on ungroomed terrain. You should follow the road instead. In fact, I recommend staying on FR 300 from FR 141 until you are past FR 501. It may not make for the most exciting hiking, however you can’t beat the views. There are multiple fantastic observation points. You will move much quicker and, when you want to take time, you can take it all in and enjoy it. 🤗

Starting at mile marker V39, and hiking just under four miles, mile marker V43 — or at least General Springs — should be in sight. Not so. But to the left is a chevron leading to what appears to be old wagon road. Though the trail crosses FR 300 twice in the next half mile, it was the most pleasant, shady, part of today’s hike.

You can hike the Trail #130 for quite awhile without seeing a chevron or mile marker. And I was looking. Often standing in one place, and slowly scanning. I think many of the trail markers the Boy Scouts placed in 1976 have since been logged, burnt in wildfires, or plowed over while widening FR 300. At least there were chevrons along FR 123.

Just past the cold deck, Trail #130 takes a sharp right turn, which is marked by a chevron that points sideways. That’s the first time I recall a directional blaze on this trail. I did my scanning thing, but saw no further blazes as I passed through the logging slash, down to FR 705 / Pipeline Road, then on to General Springs.

My wife was waiting for me at the cabin, where she was having a good talk with Deena and her friendly pup. Deena was camping there while her husbad Steve, and other Arizona Trail volunteers, were somewhere up the ATA doing trail maintenance. I don't know if Shawn has said anything, but the ATA just announced (7/27) they are looking for a new trail director.

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Arizona thistle were most common. Norwegian cinquefoil (maybe woolly), paintbrush, hairy golden aster, alpine false springparsley, Richardson’s geranium, Wheeler’s thistle, lupine and dandelion.
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General Crook Trail #130 - Coconino NFCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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kingsnakeTriplogs 894
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Skipped ahead of the segment along AZ-260 as the managed Wilbur Fire is still smoldering. (It burned right to the highway.)

Started next segment at Baker Lake. Originally intended to go all the way to General Springs, but decided to cut if off at Kehl Springs and spend saved time having picnic with my loving shuttle driver.

Though covered by pine needles, it was still obvious. I soon had to divert around a tangle of deadfall. Not for the last time. After ¼ mile, General Crook Trail crosses Rim Road. Also not for the last time.

While negotiating a rather large log blocking the General Crook Trail, I stumbled upon the grave of Andres Moreno, which I was not expecting for another ⅓ mile. I thought it might have been relocated, and that is indeed what happened: https://www.wmicentral.com/260_connecti ... aec1c.html

Porapotty stationed at FR 308B. I don't remember that being there. Brief diversion to Baker Butte. Not fenced off, but not occupied either. 🤔

Temporarily lost the trail in the spaghetti of forest roads surrounding Baker Butte, as well as a tangled burn area at top of Aspen Draw. Beware stinging nettles below Baker Butte and in the burn area. On the bright side, tons of New Mexico locust! Otherwise followed the chevrons. No gabions or Reuleaux triangle Crook Trail signs.

Does anyone know if East Webber 289 goes all the way up the Rim to Lee Johnson Spring?

As indicated by chevrons, after 4⅓ miles, General Crook Trail merged with Rim Road. On a Wednesday, there wasn’t too much traffic.

Just past FR 308, Rim Road makes its closest approach to the Mogollon Rim, at a small knoll. Expecting a view, I insead found a log bench by the pullout. Next to the bench was a roadside memorial for Eugene P. Brown II. (Interesting guy.) Good thing I stopped, because that’s where I found the very rare Bachelor’s Button flowers (and unheard of at this elevation).

After the memorial, I continued on Rim Road, until the chevrons led off to the right for a quarter mile in the upper reaches of Kehl Canyon. At least it wasn’t the road -- which was just 100 ft. away.

As if eating Lay’s jalapeno chips for our picnic did not torture my innards enough, on the way home I was so excited to spot Herr’s at a gas station in Arizona, that I picked up a bag of ghost pepper chips as well! 🔥

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Bachelor's Button, unheard of at this elevation, and the deepest blue flower I've ever seen. Also a slightly smaller purple one.

Lots of New Mexico Locust along north slope of Baker Butte. Various shade of pink, but one shrub was white.

Wood's Rose, yellow salsify, spreading fleabane, American vetch, showy goldeneye, Arizona thistle, Richardson's geranium, alpine false springparsley. Decrepit goldenbanner. Very tiny pygmy bluet.
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West Cabin Loop and Stuff, AZ 
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We set out on a modified ccw west cabin loop that cut off a couple of miles by dropping into Bear Canyon for some offtrail things before climbing up and over into HouBros to complete the rest of it on trail.

I was surprised to find bear cyn to be dry, but that changed as we moved downstream. It was all water after the west junction, and flowing nicely after east joined in.

HouBros has seen some recent chainsaw clearing, and the winter snows put an extra nail in the coffin for the longevity of the barn at Aspen Spring. Good water flowing all along the draw with Pinchot truly gushing. But Aspen was chilly, with temps down well over 20 degrees from up above.

They're thinning along the ridge along the north end of FH, so it'll be interesting to see how that looks when they're done. The 95 washout has probably eroded a little bit more after the enhanced spring runoff this year. Curious if they'll ever fix it. Encountered a handful of others along the way, but generally a pleasant day in the woods.

Kudos to Kathy, who fought through the day far more than 17 miles on a surgically repaired knee!
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Cold! Great source.

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big pools and light flow most of the way between FR300 and AZT exit junction. A few short dry spots.

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Didn't check spring source, but plenty of flowing water and pools where trail meets up.

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Plenty of water in the draw below, but no noticeable flow at the source point. Just a stagnant pool. Better options just downstream.

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Not sure the flow, but plenty of water in clear cold pools

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Great flow from the spring. Cold and clear.

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Gushing. Possibly better measured in CFS!

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no sign of surface water

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West Cabin Loop and Stuff, AZ 
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Kathy and I joined 9L and Chumley for West Cabin Loop. My longest hike so far after knee surgery so it was a good test. Didn't have any issues so that was good. Starting off we hiked near FR 300 through the forest over to the drop in for Bear Canyon. Then down Bear Canyon on some off trail with some decent pools along the way.

Eventually we exited the canyon and onto Houston Bros trail. Nice stretch of trail and we had lunch at Aspen Cabin and spring. Took a long break before continuing down trail to Pinchot Cabin.

After Pinchot we hiked through the washed out section of FR 95 which was interesting. What will be more interesting is if they ever fix it....it's a huge washout and looks like a ton of work. Leaving FR 95 we hopped on the Fred Haught trail briefly and then the AZT back to General Springs and our vehicle at FR 300.
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Myrtle Point Loop, AZ 
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Next time, I'll hike this starting from Campo Cinco, since now I'm familiar with the route. If I'd realized there was a ridiculous register, that trash would have been hauled out.
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May 11 2023
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General Crook Trail #130 - Coconino NFCamp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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Got a speeding ticket on my way out of town. Just now -- Tuesday afternoon -- finished the online driving course. What a pain. I think I'd rather do time in Florence.

Anyway ...

Hiked from near the top of the climb from Camp Verde (FR 9243D) to FR 9361K, roughly V16 to V27.

Upper Sawlog Tank #1 had decent views 17 miles southwest to the Pine Mountain Wilderness.

Though occasionally rocky, cross-country was never difficult. The gabions (cages of stacked rocks) helped. Some of the gabions have a sign shaped like a triangle with curved sides (known as a Reuleaux triangle). Auto mechanics will recognize the shape from a rotary engine; musicians a guitar pick. In all, I found 30 gabions.

The forest road gradually becomes fainter as it follows the shallow upper reaches of a draw. After crossing FR 9248A, the trail disappears. It took me a few minutes to figure out I should continue southeast, towards the top of Mud Tanks Mesa.

Downhill off the low mesa, I picked up the old Crook roadbed (rocks were pushed to either side). I low-crawled a gateless fence near Road Tank.

Now near AZ-260, he remainder of this segment is never more than 300 yds. from the highway, and sometimes as close as 50 ft. On Thursday afternoon, traffic wasn’t bad, and didn’t harsh my mellow. Nor did the grass, which was actually grass-like, not stabby & aggressive cheatgrass / foxtail. That would have sucked.

Though unnamed, the tank on Tin Can Draw was nearly full, dotted with reeds, and surrounded by plenty of shade. Removing my shoes & socks, I took a 20 minute lunch break.

V21 is on the north side of a juniper, 360 ft. west of where the official route marks it.

The trail crosses a shallow valley along dirt Tom’s Creek Rd. Now in ponderosa pine, most of the next three miles have spot shade. Just past Meadow Canyon Tank, th jeep trail turns right to AZ-260. Instead, bend left onto FR 9246R. In 150 yds., on the right, is a chain latch gate. Pass through it. I had to excuse myself as someone had parked his fifth wheel there. 🙄

I arrived at FR 9361K in a hair under seven hours, five hours moving time (2.60 mph). Not bad, considering all the times I stop to take pictures. After a change of socks, and street shoes, and a sodium replacing V-8 it was back into Phoenix to hit up my Wisconsin home boys, Culver’s, for my first cheese curds of the summer hiking season!

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Red & yellow pea most common flower throughout this hike. Doubting mariposa lily near Upper Sawlog Tank. Really rich foothills paintbrush. Great clusters of longleaf phlox, after the first few miles. Hairy golden aster, yellow evening primrose, desert biscuitroot, some sort of pea or vetch on berm of Tin Can Tank, western wallflower on slope of Salmon Lake Butte, ashen milkvetch, and the good ol' dandelion. Some tiny species I did not photograph. Maybe 20 species in all.

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Cabin Loop - Mogollon Rim Arizona, AZ 
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Two nights and three days on the Cabin Loop with Philip and Steven. Drove up from Tucson Friday morning and parked at General Springs Cabin. Took the AZT north to do the Loop clockwise, and I immediately felt sad.

I had originally wanted to backpack in the Chiricahuas that weekend but thunderstorms were cropping up and between lightning and flooding potential the Chiricahuas seemed a bit dicey. The Rim wasn’t forecast to be wet, so we decided to head north instead. But I’d been longing for something wild and rugged, and while the AZT segment is gorgeous I just wasn’t feeling it. No catclaw overgrowth, deadfall, steep scree slopes, or washed out burned trail to contend with, so no type 2 fun. :(

Took the spur trail to Fred Haught, then continued to Pinchot. The trails are easy, well marked, and immaculate. Finally got a little drama at the old road that was washed out just before Pinchot, necessitating a steep bypass down through the drainage and back up the other side.

Stayed overnight at Pinchot Cabin. In the morning we continued on U-Bar, which is not as well signed and cross-crossed by many logging roads and is itself a logging road at times. On two or three occasions I had to check my GPS to confirm we were on the right trail.

By this time I had gotten over any feelings of disappointment and was free to just enjoy the beauty all around. U-Bar had more varied terrain that kept getting better the further along we went. Had lunch at Dane Spring, which was flowing nicely. Continued on Barbershop, which is even more beautiful. Barbershop was easy to follow, though not as well marked.

We made it to Houston Brothers and were getting tired, so we made camp on a ridge. Probably wasn’t the best spot but it worked. I was worried about noise from camping close to roads and other dispersed car campers, but I didn’t need to be concerned about people. It was the elk who were partying all night with their incessant bugling. :lol:

Sunday morning we packed up and continued down Houston Brothers to the Rim Road, aka General Crook trail. Route Scout showed a track more or less parallel to the road and claimed that was General Crook; we just took the road to get the great views off the Rim. Once the road pulled away and was just a road, we peeled off to find the “trail” identified as General Crook.

There was no trail. We were really close to the car and I needed a solid dose of type 2 fun, so we proceeded to follow the track on Route Scout anyway. It led us down and up steep ravines, then down a drainage with lots of debris before dumping us out in the swampy field behind General Springs Cabin. Perfect!

On the way home we stopped at Pie Bar in Strawberry. We were expecting pizza and beer, or maybe strawberry pie, so we were surprised to find that they serve empenadas. Really good ones, too.

While the Cabin Loop was definitely smoother and more manicured than what I was originally hoping for, it is absolutely gorgeous and a delight to do.
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Jul 03 2022
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The Mogollon Meander, AZ 
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Aug 22 2021
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Barber Dane, AZ 
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Spent a night camping on the rim. Decided to knock off a few miles exploring off trail before heading back down into the firebowl. I can never remember which of these I've done before and which I haven't, but definitely covered some unrecognized ground. Connected the top of Barber and Dane with a futile attempt at Crook, which has seen no improvement in this area. These canyons are always enjoyable.

There's probably an upper, lower, mid-lower, west-mid-upper-left fork something or another name for where we were, but hell if I can figure it out :sweat:
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Hi-Ho-Turkey-Babe, AZ 
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We passed by the full lots for people hiking to Horton Spring and continued to the Hatchery TH. It was already warm (by rim standards) at our late 9am start. We hopped on the Highline going eastbound passing over the clear running water of Tonto Creek. This trail rollercoasters eastward with great rim and Mazzy views. As always, Dick Williams Creek was also flowing and good water can be had here.

At Horton Spring we took a short break before and after bandaging up commander Joe from his fight with a barbed wire fence, we made the almost 1300' climb to the top of the rim. This time on the trail was the easiest time we have ever had following it. It is getting a lot more traffic. On all previous trips on this trail I'd never seen a soul. This time we passed 5 groups.

Up top, Joe stayed to literally lick his wounds and then let them dry. I went and played a ways in the Turkey Beaver area, before meeting back up with Joe at the upper Babe Haught TH .

After some lunch we made the descent down Babe.

Good times

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Cabin Loop - Mogollon RimPayson, AZ
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The goal was to complete the circumference trail in one day but decided to find camp in Barbershop Canyon after being a little too cold and tired. A very quiet and breezy night and also very cold for late may. According to the thermodrop it dipped to a low of just above 22 degrees. Chilly for sure. Woke up pretty early and headed back to General Springs in the morning. Probably could have pushed this one a little harder but there is always next time. Didn't see any wildlife on this trip.
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