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May 24 2025
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 Gilbert, AZ
Sky Islands Summit Challenge, AZ 
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Hiking20.43 Miles 5,916 AEG
Hiking20.43 Miles   8 Hrs   32 Mns   2.51 mph
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During a work meeting earlier in the week with an individual from Sierra Vista, the topic of hiking came up, and she encouraged me to look at the Huachucas for some great hiking opportunities. As I was looking through HAZ resources and Googling, I came across this event and realized it was scheduled to take place that weekend.

Of course, registration had long since closed, but on a lark, I decided to email the organizers and see if there was a chance to still register. To my surprise, I received a phone call later that day, and on Wednesday signed up for the event.

The challenge is capped at 250 entrants and offers three levels: One Summit (Carr Peak--9,230 11.2 miles), Double Summit (Carr Peak and Miller Peak--9,465 ft, 15 miles), or Elite Triple Summit (Carr, Miller, and Pat Scott Peak--8,517 ft, 18.1 mi.). We, of course, signed up for the Triple. :D

Drove down to Sierra Vista after work on Friday and made it just in time for the bib pick up, which was at the golf course and included dinner and the opportunity to hit some balls on the driving range. It was a beautiful evening with the setting sun lighting up some clouds over the mountains to the west.

Bibs and swag bag secured, we headed to our motel for a few hours of shut eye.

Bus departure for the Triple was a 4:20 am, with a scheduled start at the Ramsey Canyon Nature Preserve at 5 a.m. Predawn light offered limited visibility of wild turkeys high up in the trees squawking rather loudly.

Over half of the entrants were signed up for the triple. While billed as a hike (rather than a trail run), there were several trail runners signed up and they took off up front. The first half mile or so is road width as you head through the preserve past a couple of historical cabins and some huge maple trees and other foliage which I'm sure make for a fantastic fall colors hike. The wide road at the start also helped with sorting folks out into hiking speeds. At that point, we arrived at the Hamburg trail proper, and the trail was reduced to a single track. So, passing was a little more difficult, but it never felt particularly crowded. That said, I took fewer photos than usual because I didn't want to pass and then have to re-pass folks.

Past a look out point, the trail descends back to and along the creekbed, which only had pools given the dry winter (but would be fun and more beautiful in wetter years).

At the turn off for the Pat Scott Canyon trail, the Triples hung a right, while the Single and Doubles continued on Hamburg. From there, any congestion was basically done for the day.

5 miles and over 3K in elevation gained, we arrived at peak #1--Pat Scott Peak (which is on a different high point than the erroneously noted location on the topo map). There is no official trail to the peak itself, so the final climb to the summit involved a relatively steep but short off-trail scramble, from which our two other peaks on the day came into view. After a short break and a stamp in our summit "passport" book, we descended back to the Crest trail and wound back around to reconnect with terminus of the Hamburg Trail where we rejoined the Single and Double hikers.

The next section along the Crest Trail offered our first open views of the valley floor to the west an south into Mexico. Somewhere along this section, my phone must have pinged from a Mexican cell tower prompting a text from Verizon welcoming me to Mexico. :lol:

At the Carr Peak trail, we hung a left and contoured/climbed an open bowl area up to a switchback climb to the summit of peak #2--Carr Peak. This section offered the best views of Miller on the day. The Carr Summit provided panoramic views down to Sierra Vista and off to the northern edge of the Huachucas. It was also pretty windy on the summit, but the breeze was generally welcome and kept any heat in check.

Then we backtracked to Crest and continued a short distance to Bathtub Spring, where we hung a right for our final peak. The trail here starts out with a gradual contouring climb, which made the elevation manageable. It steepens at the final spur to the summit, but wasn't as bad as I was anticipating.

Peak #3--the Miller summit is the high point of the range and is a beautifully shaped peak with a solid green carpet of aspens on its north-east facing slope. Great views into Mexico and all around from the top. I didn't realize that Miller is in the top 10-15 peaks in Arizona in terms of elevation (depending on how many of the SF peaks you "count")--higher than Mt. Lemmon or Wrightson, and cracks the top 10 in terms of prominence. However ranked, it's a lovely peak.

At the Miller summit, our climbing was more or less done for the day, with total AEG approaching 6,000. And while we were glad to be going down, the downhill grind also exacts its own price. :sweat:

The lower part of Miller Canyon had lots of greenery, which I'm sure I'd enjoy more if not for the prior 17+ miles of work. But as is typical in most long hikes, the last 2 miles are always 5 miles long. : wink : Add to that the increasing temperatures (upper 80s/lower 90s at the TH), and we were glad to hit the finish line around 1:40 pm, where a shuttle bus ferried us a mile or two down the dirt road to where the busses could pick us up.

We bussed back to the start where our bibs gained us "free" entry into the wine/spirits festival with free drinks included. We don't drink, but most others on our bus were excited for some celebratory beers.

We planned to stay Saturday night as well, so we headed back to our motel for a well-deserved shower an nap. Then we hit dinner at Texas Roadhouse and decided to take in the newly released Mission Impossible movie. I generally like the series and it was worth a watch, but not as good as I was hoping. The movie was interrupted at a critical moment (when global electricity is shut down and the screen goes dark) when the fire alarm in the theater went off. For a while, we thought it was part of the movie/release schtick, but turned out to just be your regular teenagers pulling the alarm. After the FD came and restored order, we went back in and finished the show.

Having been up since 3:30 that morning, we crashed hard after the movie and awoke for a leisurely drive back to the Valley Sunday morning.

I'm not usually drawn into paying for hiking events, but this was pretty fun and certainly allowed us to see more of the Huachucas in one trip than we would have been able to do otherwise.
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Pat Scott's Carr, AZ 
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Hiking12.74 Miles 3,320 AEG
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Headed down to the chookas for my first visit up the Carr Canyon Road since 2015. The road was in sedan shape up to the winter gate at the perimeter trailhead. From there it gets a little dicey and even a subi-type vehicle might have trouble in a couple of spots.

I like this range in September, but this year was significantly drier than it was 9 years ago; less green, fewer flowers, and much less flowing water. And it was still great. It was surprising to see a grove of aspens along the Carr Peak Trail have begun their autumn transition.

Temps stayed in the 60s all day, except for the brief visit to Carr Peak where it dropped into the 50s. A light southwest breeze was perfect accompaniment to the day, only reaching irritable levels funneling up and over Bear Saddle.

Got to see another twin-spotted rattlesnake on the Crest Trail (my 3rd ever, after seeing 2 on a trip here three years ago. These guys are tiny, and might have the highest range of any rattlesnake species - up to 11,000 feet. Always a treat to see one.)

We opted against the trip out to Ramsey and instead headed down Pat Scott. The climb up Comfort Springs was as miserable as I remember. I had forgotten about the bonus field of poison ivy to negotiate in the last mile, but managed to wade through it mostly unscathed.

All in all, an enjoyable day in the chookas.
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It was apparent that there has been one short night of frost damaging some of the most sensitive flowers. Still a bunch hanging on, but the season will end fast.

dry Comfort Spring Dry Dry
Springbox was dry. There's a use path leading uphill toward the point on the topo map that indicates the spring source. I did not hike up to check for water at the source.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Pat Scott Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
A small pool at 8325, which I've always found to have some water. Consistent flow and pools at the 7580 contour and below with a few stretches where it flows underground again, but reliable for a mile or so below that point.

dry Wisconsin Canyon Dry Dry
No water where Wisconsin drains into Pat Scott.
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Left NW Tucson with Tim around 6 am. Drove my RWD Chevy Colorado up Carr Canyon but couldn't make it all the way to the top of the road because of the condition of the road. 4x4 is really needed on at least 2 sections near the top. We decided to park the truck on the side of the road and just hike from here. We knew it would add some extra miles but we felt we could make and had lamps which we needed for the final part of the hike. It ended up being 1.9 miles to Ramsey Vista campground at the top, so 3.8 miles additional had we been able to drive to the top of the road.

We starting hiking on Carr Canyon rd at 8 am. The elevation at our starting point was about 7,150 feet. We took the following route up.

walk up 1.9 miles of Carr canyon road
Comfort Spring Trail # 109
Hamburg Trail # 122
Pat Scott Canyon Trail # 123
Crest Trail # 103

There was a good amount of down hill hiking on the Comfort Spring Trail. At the junction with the Hamburg trail there were signs marking all trails that intersected. The Pat Scott Canyon trial was shaded by many pines and pleasant with a lot of soft pine needles making the trail easier to hike. We got to the saddle and junction with the Crest trail at around 11:50 am. Pat Scott North was about 1/4 mile North of us but we decided to stop at the saddle for lunch and a long well-deserved break. After lunch we continued on to Pat Scott North. I thought about hiking Pat Scott "South" on the way back if there was time. It was only about 1 extra mile out of the way and I wasn't sure if I even wanted to do it on this trip because this hike was going to be very long.

We continue North on the Crest trail. I summitted Pat Scott North which was only a few minute hike above the Crest trail. Tim stayed below since he already did this summit a few months before. I signed the registry, took some photos, and got back on the Crest trail heading North. We took this trail about 1/2 mile North of Pat Scott North peak. We knew we would need to head East somewhere in this area to get to Ramsey peak. We didn't see any signs or obvious trails but we did see a barbed wire fence that separated Forest service land with the Huachuca Military base land. We turned right here and followed the fence line up for a while. We eventually saw a use trail or perhaps an old unmaintained trail heading in the direction of Ramsey peak. We followed that for a while, losing the trail at times and picking up other trails that led in the same basic direction. Because we saw multiple trails we thought these must be animal trails. In some areas we saw what looked like bear prints in soft dirt areas leading around the mountain or up. In some places we found ourselves bushwhacking but realized we were better off staying North of the ridgeline, so we dropped back down. There were only a few places where we could actually see Ramsey peak because there was so much tree cover blocking the way.

Eventually we found ourselves at the actual summit. There was a rock pile with a registry and some great views to the South. To the Southeast we were able to see Carr peak and the highest point in the range, Miller peak, which was behind Carr. We had already logged 8.9 miles to this point and knew by the time we finished this hike, we would be at nearly 18 miles. After signing the registry and getting our photos/videos and taking a long break, we finally left the summit around 3 pm. We had a long way to go to get back but we were prepared with head lamps.

On the way back, we stopped for a few short water breaks and a longer break back at the Pat Scott canyon trail junction around 4:30 pm. Then, we continued heading down the Pat Scott canyon trail. After a while, we saw some water flow in the canyon and some larger pools. We were getting low on water so we decided to stop to filter some more drinking water. I filled up an entire 1/2 gallon jug in a few minutes and filter about 1 quart for Tim. We keep moving on. It was very humid in the canyon with no breeze at all, which slowed our pace. At around 6:25 we intersected with the Hamburg trail and then a few minutes later reached the Comfort Spring trail. The Comfort Spring trail was a bit rocky, and there was a lot of uphill to do. We were already tired at this point, but we kept pressing forward, taking a lot of short water breaks on the way. We turned our headlamps on right before 8 pm and had another half mile of trail to do before reaching the road / Ramsey Vista campground area. Nobody was camped up here today. We didn't see a single person on the trails all day.

After getting to the road, my headlamp went out and we only had 1 light between the 2 of us. We were incredible tired at this point, but we still had 1.9 miles left of road hiking. We took our time in the dark, and took a few needed water breaks. We could feel the humidity, even as late as 9 pm. We eventually made it back to my truck around 9:20 pm. It was a very long day.

After the hike we stopped at McDonald's and each got a $5 McDouble combo meal + an extra McDouble. I haven't had McDonald's food in years and was honestly impressed by the relatively good value in the Bidenonmics era. The $5 combo meal came with 1 McDouble, a small fry, 4 chicken nuggets, and a drink. The extra McDouble was something like $3.39. The entire bill for both of us was under $16 which was a surprise. But, my "go to" burger is still the old reliable and customizable flame broiled BK Whopper!

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Distance (round trip) = 17.84 miles
AEG = 4,251 feet
Strava moving time = 9 hrs 37 mins
Strava elapsed time = 13 hrs 24 mins
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golden columbine, broadleaf woodsorrel, Lemmon's spring parsley, Smelly wallflower, sunflower?, Maximillian sunflower?, Dakota mock vervain, Leafy arnica, Western thistle, beard-tongue, wild garlic?, Little river canyon onion, hot lips?, Diablo helianthella?, horsetail, split larkspur, scarlet cinquefoil, Aspen daisy, black walnut, Indian-pink, scarlet bouvardia, sweet four o'clock, peavine, Parry's agave
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Pat Scott - Carr loop, AZ 
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linda invited me to do this loop in the huachucas
we got going around 0715
cool temps in the lower elevations
comfort springs, hamburg, pat scott canyon to the crest trail
we hit both pat and patricia scott peaks :lol:
continued on the crest trail to carr peak trail
took a nice snack break on carr peak, then down to the campground
saw our first person after we had done the pat scott marked on the topo
her maps had the other peak as pat scott, so we went up that too
chatted with her a bit on carr, where we saw a half dozen other hikers
a few more people toward the finish
good breeze most of the day
water flowing in pat scott canyon
clouds building in the afternoon
nice views from the peaks and from the crest trail
love these sky island ranges :)
thanks for a great hike linda!
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Pat Scott - Carr loop, AZ 
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Hiking13.04 Miles 3,723 AEG
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Today seemed like a good day for the Huachucas. Kelly and I started from Ramsey Vista Campground shortly after 0700 and headed down Comfort Springs Trail. Cool to start, which was nice.

Hopped onto Hamburg Trail for a minute, then onto Pat Scott Canyon Trail. Lots of water along the trail, with numerous water crossings—all easy. Some deadfall, but nothing too difficult. Finally topped out at the Crest Trail and headed north to what may or may not be Pat Scott Peak. Either way, it has some nice views.

Headed back south on Crest to what also may or may not be Pat Scott Peak on the other side of the junction. Different maps say different things. Steeper climb to this one, but not bad. We dubbed one Pat Scott and the other Patricia Scott. Regardless, we got the peak one way or another.

Once back on the Crest trail again, we headed south for a few miles. Pleasant hiking through the trees, with nice views on either side of the ridge. After Bear Saddle, the climb up to the junction with Carr Peak Trail was a bit warm.

Carr Peak Trail was much easier, with a side trip up to the peak. Had a snack up there and enjoyed the gathering clouds. Up until the peak, we had only seen one other hiker all day, a woman who was doing nearly the same loop as us. Saw a half dozen hikers at the peak, but we had the summit to ourselves most of the time.

The descent off Carr down to the campground is mostly easy with a moderate grade. One or two short sections of rocky trail, but felt like a breeze to finish out the loop. Fun day, and good to hike with Kelly again.
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Still early, but saw a few flowers here and there.

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Dripping, less than a quart per minute. Trough was full and water looked clear.
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Ramsey Pat Scott Trail, AZ 
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We spent two days in Sierra Vista for hiking. The first day we started in Ramsey Canyon and hiked the Hamburg and Pat Scott Trail. Started out at 9:00 when Ramsey Canyon opened and paid the fee to enter. Temperature was in the upper 30’s when we started. This time of year everything is kind of dormant so the canyon wasn’t as green as it usually is. Only a few people in the canyon when we started.

Beautiful hike up the Hamburg trail along an easy to follow trail. During the first mile you climb 500 feet to an overlook with good views up Ramsey Canyon. It is just a couple hundred yards before the overlook that you leave the private property of Ramsey Canyon and enter National Forest. From the overlook you drop back down into Ramsey Canyon. Moderate flow in the creek almost the whole way to the junction with the Pat Scott Trail. In places it flowed under the surface. Shortly after dropping into the canyon the Brown Canyon trail enters from the North. This is the northern entrance to the Canyon to avoid the fee of Ramsey Canyon, of coarse you have to hike nearly 5 miles from Brown Canyon Ranch. At approximately 2.5 miles in you come to the junction with the Pat Scott trail. We took a break here. The Comfort Spring Trail comes in from the east just before this junction. This is the trail to take if you are hiking the Hamburg or Pat Scott Trails to the ridge (avoid the Ramsey park fees). Mileage to this point is a wash, both about 2.5 miles but you avoid the 500 foot climb out of Lower Ramsey.

After our break we headed up the Pat Scott Trail. Pat Scott creek had a light flow pretty much the whole length. Remnants of past mining along with some of the equipment (boiler, sheds and misc hardware) along the trail. We encountered ice flows alongside the creek in a couple of places and at one spot we had to detour around one that crossed the trail, too slick to cross in just hiking boots. Frozen snow was on the upper portion of the trail on the north facing slopes that didn’t get as much sun. About a half mile from the crest we turned around due to running out of time and not prepared to hike in frozen snow. My boots were fine but Ginny’s were not made for snow. We turned around at about the same spot My first wife Debbie petered out and could go no further, I told her I would be back in a few and did the last .4 miles at a fast pace to the ridge. I didn’t do that this time. Great views of Ramsey peak from the upper portion of this trail.

Great hike with great scenery. Only saw two people on the trail and that was early on (not counting Ramsey Park). My GPS route is kind of messed up at the start so the mileage data is incorrect, probably while I was in the building paying the fee.

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Nice loop. I think i've been up Pat Scott Peak before but i'm not sure.
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Miller Canyon --> Crest --> Pat Scott --> Hamburg --> Crest --> Miller Canyon

Was the first car in the parking lot at 5:50, started hiking at 6am. At the Crest Trail by 8, where I startled ~8 deer not too far from Bathtub Spring. The last time I had hiked this stretch of the Crest Trail was a decade ago when I did the AZT, so I remembered the descent on the west side, but after that my memory was a blank. The stretch from the descent to Bear Saddle was a very pleasant surprise.

From Bear Saddle to Pat Scott was another pleasant surprise. Lovely tree cover and many great views to the west. I had some kind of game bird explode into flight nearly under my feet at one point. Too big to be a quail, but I don't think there are grouse in the Huachucas, so I don't know what it was.

Just before Pat Scott I passed 3 deer within 20 feet of the trail who couldn't have cared less about my presence. Even when I stopped to take a picture, they just continued eating while occasionally looking at me.

Pat Scott sees way less use than the Crest based on the trail condition. I knew the approximate distance of the loop I was doing, but I hadn't looked too closely at the elevation changes. Once I realized how much Pat Scott was dropping, I could tell Hamburg was going to be a fun climb. Sure enough, that's a steep one.

I had lunch at Bear Saddle. Windy with strong gusts, but just the right temperature in the sun. Some ravens showed up to play in the wind gusts doing barrel rolls and flips. I appreciate them giving me a show during my lunch.

Back up at the Crest, I stopped for a water break and noticed that someone had left an Evernew 2.0L bottle at the campsite where Carr & Crest split. It was very new, so I left it there in case they noticed later that day and came back, but that was probably quite the bummer for an AZT thru-hiker.

I thought about doing Carr Peak, but my legs had decided they had had enough AEG for the day. Next time.

As I started down Miller Canyon, I saw 4 people coming down the Crest trail from Miller. Those were the only people I saw all day. I have no idea how so few people were out hiking in the Huachucas on a Saturday with such perfect weather, but it worked out great for me.
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Got started a little after 0700 from Ramsey Vista and headed down Comfort Springs Trail. The trail was soft from recent rains, but not muddy. It’s a pleasant walk downhill, with nice views. At Hamburg Mine, we got onto Pat Scott Canyon Trail and started heading back uphill. Not too hot, but very humid.

At the Crest Trail, we headed north after a short break. At the end of the Crest Trail, we veered east, following the barbed wire fence. The off trail kind of sucks, the soil on the north side of the ridge is very loose and you sink into it. Following the top of the ridge is a vegetation nightmare. When I was here four years ago, the was a faint path on the north side of the ridge, but that has pretty much disappeared. Encountered one large, angry rattler not too far from the summit—the damn thing seemed to want to chase me for a moment while I circled wide around it.

Another break at the summit, then headed back down. Clouds were gathering by the time we reached the Crest Trail, and it was cloudy with frequent rumbles of thunder for the last five miles. The rain held off until we reached the trailhead. Fun hike, but I probably won’t bother with Ramsey Peak again.
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Spring box was full, with steady flow of water

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Water throughout most of Pat Scott Canyon
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Second time in the Huachucas. Threw together a loop that'd see more Crest and get me on top of Ramsey and the brothers Pat Scott. Had a go from the Sawmill TH around 6am. Road is probably doable in low clearance, but I wouldn't if it were my investment.

Sawmill Trail up to Carr Peak Trail. Really just a connector for those of us looking to save a few minutes driving time. Most reliable spring en route was putting out a decent flow and should be for a couple months more.

Carr Peak trail swings up the mountain quickly. Good tread, least tree cover on the day. Carr Peak views hazy in the early morning. Offers the best angle on Miller and time to wonder about the ubiquitous zeppelin down in the foothills.

Down Carr to Crest then out and back to Miller. More good tread this time through the surviving forest of fir and pine. Up the ridge steeper and steeper as it nears the Miller Peak Trail. Passes through a huge, young grove of aspen. There is a lot to see along this loop come autumn, expanding my search for this year outside of Ramsey Canyon. Half the elevation gain is out of the way by the time Miller summit comes. Best views of day, apart from maybe Ramsey.

Crest all the way back to the Carr jct. Clouds started to coalesce over the mountains. Kept going to the Hamburg jct and the track became unfamiliar. Perfect weather for the money stretch of Crest Trail. From Granite Mountain to the end of Crest at the Fort Huachuca border, I'm not sure there's better hiking in the state. It is as good as anywhere. Shady in the fir, cold breeze, and warm intermittent sunlight. Will never take Wisconsin Canyon down again, it is so worth it to loop around to Pat Scott Canyon.

Got Pat Scott #1 on the way to Ramsey and #2 on the way back. #1 is several times better than #2, which is marked as Pat Scott Peak on most maps. Weather increasingly dramatic as I started the climb up Ramsey.

The topos I looked through differed on the whether or not there is a trail to Ramsey, and it turned out there isn't one. Ascending Ramsey was probably the hardest part of the loop. It is easiest to summit if you stay north of the ridgeline, otherwise it is a good bushwhack. Unfortunately, this involves trespassing onto military property. If stepping 50ft into the seldom traveled upper reaches of military land is a deal breaker, I would say the peak cannot be summited using the ridge I did. The only person I met all day was on the summit tinkering with a ham radio when I got there. He came straight up the ridgeline from the preserve, a shorter, more difficult, and legal route. I asked what he made of the military border, and he shrugged. There are no signs marking it, no signs forbidding passage, only a fence line that is broken where the deer cross and somebody has marked the route by hanging reflective yellow flags from tree limbs.

Pat Scott Canyon back down. Just as good as Wisconsin Canyon. Firs, pines, oaks, maples. Really might make a good fall loop if the timing is right. The canyons in the Huachucas steep as anything, but Pat Scott makes easy work of the quick descent.

After that Hamburg for about 5 minutes before Comfort Springs. Beautiful woods on the backside of Carr. Second hardest part of the day was ascending Comfort springs and getting back out of the canyon. Once down around the Hamburg Mine, there was still ~1200 feet to gain. Pushed through that last section looping back around. Only saw the one hiker, not too busy up there. Temps from 40s-70s.
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Some on Carr Peak, some near Miller Peak. Nothing good.

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Nov 16 2020
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 Jackson, CA
Ramsey Canyon LoopTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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toddakTriplogs 577
Hiking11.15 Miles 3,501 AEG
Hiking11.15 Miles   5 Hrs   30 Mns   2.03 mph
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Back for more Huachuca goodness. Quality loop with nice Fall colors and flowing water along lower Ramsey and Pat Scott. The Preserve is currently only open from 9 to 4 and the visitor center is closed, put your fee in the box.
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 Chandler, AZ
Carr - Miller - Pat Scott Loop, AZ 
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JuanJaimeiiiTriplogs 2,400
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Carr - Miller - Pat Scott Loop, AZ 
Carr - Miller - Pat Scott Loop, AZ
 
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Plethora of deer ears underway. New Mexico Locust is blooming, some 50 ft trees too.

Initial climb up sweaty, bridge walk over delightful. Then heading up Miller was a half-mile cloud of dense gnats.

Upper Pat Scott is among the nicest stretches of trail in AZ. Passing below Hamburg it's more Pinal fab.

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Heading up the road looked pretty gnarly at one turn in the zig-zag switchbacks. My thought was I couldn't recommend a stock tire sedan or low clearance. Returning I didn't notice that crater dip or it was easier to get around than previously thought. JJ still thought little sharp rocks in the upper portion might not be good for stock sedan tires.
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 Tempe, AZ
Chooka8, AZ 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking13.91 Miles 4,232 AEG
Hiking13.91 Miles   6 Hrs   10 Mns   2.35 mph
4,232 ft AEG      15 Mns Break
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Knocked two more uniques off my Huachuca list. Nice to get out on the west siiiiiide! Oversite is a great trail. I think Shawn told me once that the Douglas RD is really good with maintenance? Maybe I'm misremembering. Either way, tough to argue. These certainly don't get a lot of legitimate hiker use, and yet are very well maintained, with obvious trail maintenance as recently as last fall.

Ida reminded me of the trail up Babo. Similar terrain and flora. I was heading down later in the day and the mountain shaded me a bit. This wouldn't be as fun to ascend, and definitely not earlier in the day when the lower portions are exposed to the sun.

I did a loop down Wisconsin Canyon (which I learned apparently got it's name because the temperature dropped 20 degrees as soon I started down) and up Pat Scott. I was expecting more water in PS creek given the recent snow and overall wet winter, but it really wasn't any more than I had seen it previously.

Since JJ and and the doc had hit the alternate PS Peak last time they were here I decided to cover my bases as well. Glad I did. The views from up there far exceed those from the peak(s) under the text name on the map.

Got stopped by border patrol on the way down. After ribbing the poor guy a bit at my surprise that he was out of his truck and actually hiking on a trail, I answered a bunch of his questions and pointed him toward the only questionable things I had seen on my loop. After showing him the soles of my shoes, I continued on.

He must have lost a bet or something cause two other officers were at the bottom relaxing in their truck and waiting for him to radio down when he had had a chance to check out what he was investigating. They asked if I was the owner of the vehicle down the road with the, uh, art, on it. I confirmed. Lol.

I did the trailhead drive as a loop to figure out which is faster. No contest ... through SV and around the south side over Montezuma Pass was almost half an hour shorter than the dirt road to Parker Canyon Lake and Sonoita. Though that is one of the prettiest drives in the state. I also drove that 35mph road like Andretti at about 60, so it might technically be even longer than that. In review, get there by going around the east side through SV. Don't listen to Google, sometimes it really has no clue.
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 Chandler, AZ
Carr Miller Pat Scott Peak Loop, AZ 
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JuanJaimeiiiTriplogs 2,400
Hiking18.57 Miles 5,460 AEG
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This one was the good Doctors idea. I took off on Saturday and drove down through Nogalas, then ate dinner in Cananea and then up to Sierra Vista. Nick met me that morning at the hotel and we car pooled together up to the Old Sawmill Trailhead. We pretty much had perfect weather all day and this is always a great place to hike. First up was Carr Peak, then over to Miller and from there we headed over to Pat Scott. Nick said there was some controversy as to which peak was the true Pat Scott so we hit them both. As it would turn out there was a
"Sky Island Summit Challenge" there yesterday. Looks like we missed the crowds and had our own Summit Challenge. The hike down Pat Scott Canyon is always great and today was no exception.

Huge thanks to Nick for calling this one out. Was a great day to be in the Huachucas! :y:
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 Tucson, AZ
Carr Miller Pat Scott Peak Loop, AZ 
Carr Miller Pat Scott Peak Loop, AZ
 
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Hiking18.57 Miles 5,460 AEG
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the huachucas have been calling my name and i wanted to get down there before any potential forest closures. i figured there was a good chance of luring the Good Count Tacula down south too!

picture perfect day in every way. we banged out a big high country ramble. the carr/miller combo is always amongst my favorite sky island experiences. we solved the pat scott peak issue by just doing them both :lol: . the trip down pat scott canyon was an unexpected wonderland of shade, big trees and even some water and flowers.

perfect day up there. thanks for coming down JJ :y:
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May 26 2018
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Sky Islands Summit Challenge, AZ 
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DixieFlyerTriplogs 1,376
Hiking19.60 Miles 5,800 AEG
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This was a hiking event organized by the City of Sierra Vista. Participants in this event had 3 options: hike to Carr Peak only; hike to Miller Peak and Carr Peak; or hike to Pat Scott Peak, Carr Peak, and Miller Peak. Miller Peak(9,466'), Carr Peak(9,220'), and Pat Scott Peak(8,700') are the 1st, 2nd, and 4th highest peaks, respectively, in the Huachuca Mountains. I naturally opted to hike to all 3 peaks.

This was a neat event, and at 19.6 miles and an AEG of 5,800', the hike was a buttkicker, at least for me. The hike started at the Ramsey Canyon Conservancy; went up the Hamburg Trail; then to the Pat Scott Canyon Trail; then off-trail to the summit of Pat Scott Peak; then on the Crest Trail to the Carr Peak trail to the Carr Peak spur trail which went to the summit of Carr Peak; then back to the Crest Trail to Bathtub Spring, and the route continued on the Crest Trail to the Miller Peak spur trail which went to the summit of Miller Peak; then back to Bathtub Spring, from which we went down the Miller Canyon Trail to the Miller Canyon TH, which completed the hike.

There were nice 360 degree views from the top of each of the 3 peaks.
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Oct 08 2017
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 Gilbert AZ
Ramsey PeakTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 08 2017
DallinWTriplogs 228
Hiking13.90 Miles 3,907 AEG
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Got invited on this one as my first real hike back in Arizona after my PCT adventure this summer. I was excited to get back to the Huachucas and explore more of the range. I found it kind of poetic in a way, as I would be returning very close to the Mexican border after running away from it for 4.5 months. :)

Me and Alex met Linda, Nick, and Kelley at the top of Carr Canyon Rd in the morning. We were a little late. My phone's battery was dead and not charging, so I wrote up some directions before I left which were pretty simple: take I-10 to SR-92, take SR-92 south, turn right on Carr Canyon Rd. I still managed to take a wrong turn up RAMSEY Canyon Rd for a little while before realizing it wasn't the same road I had been up before for Carr - Miller. :lol:

We started down Comfort Springs Trail and connected up with Pat Scott Canyon. I thought Pat Scott Canyon was the highlight of the trip. Vegetation and running water all along the canyon. I particularly liked the section just below the ridge before you hit Crest Trail. The tall grasses mixed with the spaced out Ponderosa right before the crest of the ridgeline.

We continued down Crest Trail with excellent views as expected, then ditched the trail and headed for Ramsey Peak. The off trail is easy going at first, but about a half a mile before the top it gets pretty brushy. Me and Alex followed along the ledge of large boulders that make up the ridgeline. It still might be faster to keep left and stay in the Ponderosa where it is less brushy.

On the summit we enjoyed some lunch. Since there are a lot of trees on this summit you don't get a wide field of view, but what you can see from a rock outcropping on the summit is still pretty good. We took the lower route with the Ponderosa on the way back to Crest Trail and stumbled upon a clear use path, a blanket, and some pieces of garbage.

A nice day hike with comfortable weather. All trails in good conditions.
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 Payson, AZ
Ramsey PeakTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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The_NTriplogs 325
Hiking13.20 Miles 3,907 AEG
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This one's been on the radar since our last Hauchuca visit, so we recruited a few good folks who wanted to make the trip, as well. Kelly, Dallin and Alex all joined. The initial descent down Comfort Springs allows for that dramatic view of Ramsey, and its sharp contrast of green spilling over white cliffs. Carr Peak had some fall color but once we were down in the canyons, it was mostly green with a light flow in the creeks. Pat Scott Trail was new for me. It's a nice one. Lush canyon walking, mining history and then open views as we approached the ridgeline. Crest Trail is always a treat with it's ridge walking, views and pine trees. The off-trail to the peak wasn't too bad. We stayed on the highest part of the ridge, which is rocky and has the most brush. After a summit lunch and some photo ops, we started back down. This time we stayed low and took the smuggler's route, which was an actual use path and stayed out of the brush. Once back on the ridge, we retraced our steps and cruised on down to the Comfort Springs junction for the home stretch and final uphill of the day. Great day to be in the Hauchuca's. Weather was perfect and enjoyable from start to finish. It was nice to get Dallin back, catch up with Alex and get in a nice hike with Kelly. Linda was good company, too. Overall, a great group and a Sunday well-spent.
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