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Riggs Flat LakeTucson, AZ
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Scenic drive from Safford up to Riggs Lake.
Many stops along the way including the Fort Grant overlook and Post Creek Falls.
First up at Riggs was our short hike on the Lakeshore Trail around the lake and out to the backside overlook.
Next up was a couple hours of R&R fishing.
We quickly caught our limit of 4 rainbows.
We never saw the resident Bald Eagles, but heard them a couple of times.
Campers told us that every evening 3 black bears have been visiting the lake.
Always hate leaving this beautiful little lake, but this was a day trip and next up was the Soldier Creek Ice Caves lower down the mountain.
At Solider we made the short hike down to the caves and had fun poking around the several entrances for about an hour.
One more stop at Columbine ended our time on top before returning back down to town.
Ended our day with pizza and ice cream at Joe's Ride-N-Dine.

We had a 6 year old with us on this trip so not a lot of hiking, but that was ok ... had a wonderful time just taking it easy and enjoying the mountain scenery.
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Sep 19 2023
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Webb Peak from Ash Creek THTucson, AZ
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Hardest hit area of the 2017 Frye Fire was the entire Webb Peak area.
95 percent tree mortality including the 1933 fire lookout tower.
After 6 years the outer trail has recently been redone all the way to the top.

We headed up to check it out parking at Columbine Corrals.
Hike - Down Ash Creek Trail :next: Up Webb Peak from Ash Creek :next: Lunch break under the lookout tower :next: Down Webb Peak Trail #345 to Columbine to complete the loop.
Basically you now hike through a 6 year old total burn area covered in dead grey pines with 6-20 foot aspens covering almost the entire forest floor. There were also ferns, wildflowers and a few green pines here and there. Kind of a surreal sight to see it like this, but wow ... this is going to be one hell of a great aspen forest in the coming years!
All the Webb trails are in great condition now, Ash Creek Trail below the T is a total disaster.

After our loop we drove back down the Swift Trail for a short hike up High Peak road to the old bottle dump I dug a few days earlier. Had an extra person to help me haul down some more of the cool bottles I uncovered. These old bottles will decorate our cactus gardens.

Webb Peak now looks completely different from all my younger days of hiking the area, but there is a new mysterious beauty to these burn areas that is starting to grow on me.

Happy to see this loop again and happy to see it with the person I hiked it with just before the fire.
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Started with a stop at the Columbine visitor center for a visit with our friend.
The hike - Columbine up to Webb Peak :next: a bit down Chesley Flat (lost the trail) :next: down to Solider Creek :next: Swift Trail back to Columbine.
Lots of burn area, but with a very lush green forest floor and many wildflowers adding color.
Nice breezy temps up high, a few dark clouds above with a few sprinkles here and there.
3 turkeys and one white-tail spotted.
Fun hike with a fun friend!
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Sep 02 2018
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It's not the fire. It's the flooding. Wow.

I've posted a ton of photos. Not because they're pretty. But I haven't seen photos posted from here post-fire and I have tried to document as many of the scenes as possible. The photos are geocoded if you'd like to look up the exact locations.

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I had wanted to check out Mt. Graham for the first time since the 2017 Frye fire and this summer the forecast always seemed in opposition to the times I could head that direction. This weekend the forecast seemed a lot more reasonable than what actually happened, but that's the nature of summer in Arizona! :sweat:

Saturday morning I headed out from the bottom near Cluff Ponds. The first creek crossing was manageable, but that will vary based on recent runoff. It was not subaru-able, and I was happy to put it in 4-Lo to crawl up the loose boulders on the edge of the creek. The second crossing is now the end of the road, and at less than a mile from the previous end of the road, there's really no reason to expect the FS to bother repairing it. So chalk up some extra mileage to this hike from here on out.

As I climbed, the clouds over the peaks got angrier looking and eventually rain was evident. I decide to check the radar, and it looked ugly. Once the rain started and there was lightning on the ridge I bailed. There was no reason to continue hiking toward a storm like that!

As I drove around to the top of the mountain, I received a NWS flash flood warning for Ash Creek. Over 1.5" of rain had fallen in an hour and the creek had risen 3 feet. Seemed like I had made a good decision!! On the mountain, it rained all night long, tallying 3.2" at Columbine. So the next morning seemed like a great time to attempt to explore the trail from the top down.

There's scant sign of a trail in the upper portion where the fire burned hot and left a forest of matchsticks. The ground is ashy and after the rain it was a muddy mess. Most of the trail tread was washed out but I was able to follow it in a lot of places. The new growth aspens have really taken over, which I won't complain about. But when they decide that working on rebuilding this trail again makes sense, there will be a lot of aspen growth that needs to be cleared.

At the bottom of the initial switchbacks, the trail has become the creek, with water eroding and digging a deep channel where the trail used to be. Countless trees have fallen and blocked the path. This kind of thing will continue for years here. About a mile down the fire damage dissipates and the creek drainage is only occasionally touched by burn area from the ridges above. This condition continues for the rest of the hike to the falls, and appears similar all the way to the bottom. But the ridge to the east of the creek from the bible camp downward appears to be largely torched. This is surely the primary cause for the catastrophic flood damage along the creek.

The main drainage crossing about 1.3 miles down was one that I had difficulty with. The flood channel was so deep and the sides so unstable that it was challenging to find spots to climb into and then subsequently get out on the other side. These are 15-foot vertical walls of crumbly dirt and rock.

Below this point there were many reasonable sections along the old road bed where travel was ok. Crossing the creek above the mill site was a bit tricky again, and below the mill site where another drainage comes in from the west was a definite challenge.

There are places where the old trail cut is evident, and there are others where it is clear that the flood has eroded the shelf where the trail once traveled. With my travel going so slowly, I opted for the bypass route when I came to it, which seemed to be a better option. There wasn't much fire on this hillside, but the tread is still eroded, and the lack of use for two years has made it quite overgrown. But rehabilitating this bypass won't be too difficult.

I reached the point where I could view down the complete Ash drainage to the Gila Valley below. It was just some steep switchbacks now before I was able to see the falls. While the flash flood from yesterday had dissipated, the flow was still very strong, and probably as much water as I've ever seen flowing over them. As I tried to find a couple of the familiar photo locations to share "how it looks now" photos I was stuck by the continual sound of crashing rock down the falls. The creek isn't just flowing water right now, but continues to move rock down the mountain.

As I turned around and headed back up along the creek itself, I actually considered that it may have been wise to have a helmet. I was wary of loose banks that might slide and trees that might fall, but I hadn't considered the loose rocks that were bouncing through the granite bedrock sections of stream.

In places I attempted to find the old tread, but for the most part I just rock-hopped upstream. There were a couple of crossings where getting wet was unavoidable. There were a couple of small falls I couldn't climb safely, or was unhappy with the stability of the hillside I would have to climb. I was careful to not loosen any earth and debris that might cascade down on me.

As I worked my way back up to the mill site, I decided that I didn't want to retrace my steps in the muddy matchstick upper section of the hike and instead made a beeline up 400 feet to the bible camp. I was a little surprised to find it deserted, but also unharmed by fire. A longer, but far quicker hike along the road brought me back to Columbine.

I was happy to see that so much of the canyon had not burned. But the flooding was truly devastating. I can't imagine how many years it will take for that eroded rock and gravel to sprout new life, for it to resemble a mountain stream with grassy banks once again. Fire burned areas will sprout new life. That flood damage though... :cry:
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My final trip up to the top of Graham to survey the damage left from the Frye Fire before the November 15th winter closure. I met up with Preston and together we headed up the mountain as we have done so many times before. Plan was to survey as many sites as we could and also get in a hike at the end of the Swift Trail. We drove the entire road to it's end and this is what we saw & know .....

We first stopped on the way up for a quick trek up "secret canyon" for some fall colors, looked good and is only gonna get better. A return trip up will be made soon.
Second stop up was made at Ladybug Saddle to show Preston where & how I dislocated my shoulder last week, I was in need of some sympathy.
Then around to the backside/top and into the burn -

Snow Flat - Road down to the CG hit with med intensity burn, campground unaffected and beautiful.
Treasure Park CG - Road down med burn, meadow and CG mostly unaffected and beautiful, the "back" CG hit hard and now gated with "forest closed" sign.
Cunningham CG - Intact, but high burn all around CG. The trail-head for Grant Creek & Moonshine has "closed forest" sign. We could see golden aspens down in Moonshine and a later overlook view showed that lower Grant Creek from Ft Grant TH was unaffected, the upper trail has burned. At Cunningham we talked with a high up Forest Service employee who gave up permission to hike a bit into Ash Creek for a look a little further up the road.
Soldier Creek CG - One of my favorites and I was very happy to see an intact CG with minimal burn around it. The Grant Goudy Ridge (and Ice Caves) TH is open with the standard "caution burn area" sign.
Deadman-Highline Trail - The feel good story of the day! We drove down Bible Camp road to see if the trail-head sign that Preston made and posted back in 2010 made it through the fire. We hiked a bit up the trail through a hard hit area to find burn all-around the perfectly intact sign! It damn near brought a manly tear to my eye to see Preston's joy that it made it through -
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Columbine Corrals CG - From the happiest part of the day to the saddest. We parked at Columbine visitor center and hiked in across the road to the corrals. This whole area is closed including Webb Peak & Ash Creek due to high intensity burn. As stated earlier we had permission to hike a bit in. We took the trail just to where the switchbacks start down and that's about as far as you can go. Of all my trips up since the re-opening, this one punched me in the chest the hardest. I just could not believe I was looking down Ash Creek Canyon ..... black sticks as far as I could see down and on both sides of the canyon. We were told by Forest Service earlier at Cunningham that a decision was made to close and not work on Ash Creek & Frye Mesa Trail (where the fire started) for at least the next 3 years. Webb Peak is also black sticks, but was told that a loop may be re-opened next year.
Riggs Flat Lake - After Ash Creek we continued down the road through much more burn until finally reaching Riggs where the west end of the fire came to an end. We drove down to the lake that does have some minimal burn down, then through the campgrounds & ended with a nice hike around the lake on the Lakeshore Trail. Riggs Lake area for the most part was unaffected by the fire. Merrill Peak was hit on top and I'm sure the backside was too. There is a "burn" sign posted for the Jesus Babcock Trail behind the campground.
CP Flat - Finally on to the end of the road to hike CP Flat. A very needed break from fire damage with an autumn walk through Letty's Grove. I knew we were late for the golden aspen leaves up high, but just as beautiful hiking on the golden leaf road!
Blair Canyon - On the drive back out we stopped at Chesley Flat to see how Blair Canyon fared and as expected ..... not well. High burn and I'm sure Chesley Flat to Webb Peak looks the same.
Quick last stop at the Shake Trail to show Preston the red slurry covered trees at the start of the trail, this entire trail survived and is one of the very few left unaffected.

Our trip ended on the straightaway where Preston dropped me off at my truck, we said our good-bye's & I drove home still processing what I saw on top.

I have now seen the entire top of Graham and have a good understanding to the condition of the majority of the forest & trails. As stated in other logs - I am still shook, bitter & angry over this fire. The damage is much worse then I ever expected. There is still a lot of green up there and I have found a few places that still holds some un-burned beauty that will keep me looking for more. I have spent my entire life going up that mountain and this will take many years to come to peace with ..... I just hope someday I will get there.
I understand that most don't want to read about others personal hardships as I honestly don't like reading them myself. What has happened has happened and I cannot change it only move on - This will be my last log about the Frye Fire of 2017!

To close I just want to thank Preston for taking me up the mountain to view the destruction with me. Seeing it with a good friend made it more bearable. There will be many more great trips up & around Ole' Graham my friend!!!
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Met up with Chad bright and early after another all-nighter working at the telescope on Mount Graham, and we started up the Swift Trail. The focus of the day was to tour the Pinalenos and see first hand the effects of the Frye Fire of June 2017. Our first stop of the day was at a small canyon that I had passed so many times without ever stopping to explore it. This little hidden gem was loaded with changing maples and flowing water.

As we passed the top end of the Shake Trail, we entered into the main burn area of the Frye Fire. Pitchfork Canyon looked like it had been skewered by the Devil’s flaming pitchfork. A mountain side of black sticks where a lush stand of mature firs had once provided dense shade. The Arrow Tree still stood.

Stop 2 was at Snow Flat. Most of this area had fared well, with the exception being the back road to Treasure Park (Treasure Park via Snow Flat hike is charcoal city). Hospital Flat had some damage but is still beautiful, I think.

Stop 3 was Grant Hill Trailhead. Grant Hill was almost entirely consumed in a crown fire. Hopefully aspens will thrive here in the coming decades, but it looks pretty bad right now, and the trail loops on it are closed for the foreseeable future. We talked with the Squirrel Girl here, and heard the latest Red Squirrel census, which was pretty grim (35 found during the post-fire count, I heard).

The Grant Creek area didn’t look too bad, with only moderate fire damage, as we approached Stop 4: Cunningham Campground, next to the western trailhead of the Cunningham Loop. We talked with some
Forest Service employees briefly, and checked out the the Grant Creek Trailhead before continuing on. The Moonshine Creek area fared well, with fall aspens and ferns adding some color.

The Fort Grant overlook revealed Grant Creek Canyon to have a mosaic burn pattern, with plenty of green forest left intact.

Approaching Columbine through the singed spruce-fir, we turned down Bible Camp Road toward the Deadman-Highline Trailhead. Bible Camp Road had seen mosaic burn, and while there was heavy damage in places, there were some patches of surviving spruce-fir. I knew that much of Deadman had been thoroughly torched, but I had hope that my trail sign might have survived. As we rounded the first corner of Deadman, there was the trail sign I had made in 2010, perfectly undamaged among burned logs. I couldn’t believe it, and it was one of the few sights that day that made me smile. I unbolted my soot-covered creation to bring it home, as Deadman-Highline, my favorite Pinaleno trail, will probably not ever reopen.

The next stop was one Chad and I were both apprehensive over: Columbine Corral/Ash Creek Trailhead. We had heard that Ash Creek and Webb Peak were severely burned and a sea of black sticks. Sadly, that was true. The jewel of the Pinalenos was completely devoid of green, save for some small aspen and raspberry sprouts in places. Heartbreaking. On to the next spot...

Soldier Creek Campground looked great, just like old times.

As we drove toward Chesley Flat across the black skeleton slopes of Webb Peak, we wondered if any of the top was untouched by this mega-fire. Fire damage beyond Chesley Flat was less severe, and finally ceased at the turnoff for Riggs Lake. There is some ground fire evidence on the east side of Riggs, but very minor. We walked around the lake on the Lakeshore Trail, finally able to see a healthy, familiar favorite.

We continued down the last mile plus of the Swift Trail through the unburned forests of old, to the Clark Peak Trailhead, where we started the CP Flat Loop hike. The west end of the Pinalenos was deserted and we enjoyed a great hike through the aspens and mixed conifer woodland.
The rugged cliffs of Grandview Peak above Hell’s Hole looked amazing with a small strip of golden aspens clinging precariously.

Making our way home, I pulled over at Chesley Flat to check out the upper end of the Blair Canyon Trail and the old “spooky woods” area. This area was on the edge of the Webb Peak inferno and sustained heavy but not total damage. Still some survivor trees, including the tumor tree, and the ancient Blair Canyon Trail sign.

We continued back down the mountain, discussing our findings and thoughts on the matter, and made one final stop at the upper Shake Trailhead to see trees caked in red retardant from the fire.

Back on the straightaway at the base of the Pinalenos, Chad headed for home, and I grabbed a sandwich at Mount Graham Market for dinner on the road to home.

A few observations, which are totally my opinion...
Most of the burn area, which includes the majority of the top of the Pinalenos, appeared to me to have about 50% tree mortality. Of that 50%, a large portion of these trees were covered in dead needles with no sign of green (heat scorched trees, rather than burn, maybe?). The most severe burn areas appeared to be Pitchfork Canyon, Grant Hill, Ash Creek, and Webb Peak. The least severe/most green areas appeared to be Snow Flat, the area north of Hospital Flat, and Grant Creek watershed. The top of Graham Ridge between Shannon Campground and the summit of Mount Graham was severely burned, with almost total tree mortality. Severe erosion scarred most of the drainages and creeks on top. I won’t discuss my personal feelings here, other than to say the burn was worse than I had feared. I still love the Pinalenos, and always will, but they sure do look rough right now. I might post a photo set.

Chad, thanks for another great adventure! Much better to see sights like this with a like-minded friend.
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