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Saddle Mountain to Plateau Overlook Pt - 4 members in 14 triplogs have rated this an average 4.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Oct 28 2023
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 Chandler, AZ
Mazatzal Saddle Mountain 6535 and Squaw Flat, AZ 
Mazatzal Saddle Mountain 6535 and Squaw Flat, AZ
 
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John10sTriplogs 347
Hiking13.61 Miles 3,062 AEG
Hiking13.61 Miles   9 Hrs   25 Mns   1.73 mph
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We started from Mormon Grove Trailhead around 7:30AM. On the drive in, we noticed Google Maps trying to route us from FR 627 through private property on Cross F Ranch to connect with FR 25, so we had to be sure to use FR 201 to connect with FR 25. There were three trucks at the trailhead, and it was ~45° when we started but felt comfortable in the sun.

Saddle Mountain Trail was a good warmup--wide open and easy, with some interesting color and formations with the red rocks near the Little Saddle Mountain intersection. Two miles in, we turned off and visited Potato Patch, and TBoneKathy generously waited while I started up toward the peak of Saddle Mountain. It steepness isn't too bad, but the brush makes it more...interesting. I put gloves on and got the clippers out, and even leaving Potato Patch to start up the base of the mountain required pushing/cutting through extremely thick brush and catclaw, to the point that I almost abandoned the plan when I saw how long it was going to take.

But the slope looked more open up higher, and once I got through that initial wall, it did open up a little, and my pace picked up as I worked my way up toward the rocky lower peak south of Saddle Mountain, and the views improved quickly [ youtube video ] . The brush closed in again as I circled around below the south/east side of the southern peak toward the saddle. In shorts and a T-shirt, I was getting shredded by branches...they were so thick that any serious effort and cutting a path through became a waste of time, and I mostly just tried to choose the least sharp obstacles and push through it.

Closer to the saddle, I saw signs of someone else's clipping, and there was a faint and brief trail that was a welcome relief for a few minutes. Once on the saddle, there was some easy scrambling up to the peak, which was also very brushy. I found the reference markers first, but thanks to the brush, I still took a while finding the benchmark even with the help of the RM arrows. I placed a summit register in the vicinity of the benchmark and recorded some videos and snapped some pictures. There's plenty of nice scenery all around, but with all the foliage on the peak, there are few if any spots with unobstructed 360° views and not many options to sit and enjoy the surroundings.

Summit view N/E: [ youtube video ]
Summit view S/W: [ youtube video ]

Knowing how long TBoneKathy had already been waiting, I just took a sip of water and headed down the same way, picking up more scratches on the return to Potato Patch. Getting up and back down took ~ two and a half hours to cover a little under two miles. Reunited, we resumed our regularly scheduled hike on Saddle Mountain Trail with the goal of getting as close to Plateau Overlook Point as we could. With my detour up to the peak, we probably weren't going to have time to get all the way there, but being back on an open trail after the bloodshed going up and down Saddle Mountain was a relief.

We continued on Sheep Creek Trail, which became more overgrown and a little tougher to follow after the Thicket Spring intersection. We took a short break near Squaw Flat Spring, then continued onto Copper Camp Trail. The trail finally climbed up out the creek bed, and the brush and the views opened up again. We turned around ~1.5 miles as-the-crow-flies from Plateau Overlook Point, though we still had the steepest part of Copper Camp Trail head of us, but it was nice to have view of Saddle Mountain from three different sides (and up close) today.

The hike out was uneventful, and a cool breeze picked up over the last few miles. We didn't see any hikers all day, just two hunters when we were almost back to the trailhead, and not much in the way of of wildlife other than some small tarantulas. Even though we didn't make the overlook, it was a fun day--new trails for both of us, and Saddle Mountain was a fun challenge that I'll relive via cuts and scratches for many days :). I was happy to make it up there, but it's not a peak I'm anxious to revisit anytime soon...the reward:punishment ratio is pretty low.
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Apr 12 2015
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Saddle - Thicket - West Fork - Cornucopia, AZ 
Saddle - Thicket - West Fork - Cornucopia, AZ
 
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,348
Hiking11.67 Miles 2,457 AEG
Hiking11.67 Miles   6 Hrs   50 Mns   1.97 mph
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Parked at FR25 / 25A junction and hiked up FR25 to Mormon Grove TH, take Saddle Mtn trail to McFarland Canyon and continue on Thicket Spring trail to West Fork trail to Cornucopia trail and take that back to 25A and return to the 25/25A junction.

The area is recovering a bit from the Sunflower fire. The new posts installed by Shawn and team look good and will be even better when the signs are added :lol: We saw an Arizona black buzzworm along Saddle Mtn trail.

The area seemed eerily quiet today. From the time we left the Beeline to getting back we saw no people and no vehicles anywhere in the area except on the drive back we saw one pickup. There are usually at least a few people/vehicles at all the camping spots along FR 25.
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Saddle Mountain Trail #91Phoenix, AZ
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,348
Hiking11.00 Miles 1,880 AEG
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Hmm where to go :-k Ah I know the Mazatzals :lol:
Mormon Grove TH along Saddle Mountain trail to Potato Patch then off trail. The plan was to go down Tournament Creek to Saddle Mtn Spring, there used to be a route down here but no evidence now. Potato Patch is a nice meadow but no spuds. I got to the upper end of Tournament creek about half way to the spring and gave up - too overgrown and brutal bushwacking. I went back to the trail and continued to McFarland Canyon, up to the Sheep / Copper junction and then back to the TH.
Even though I didn't get to Saddle Mtn Spring I had a great day with perfect weather.
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Feb 12 2011
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 Mesa
Saddle Mountain to Plateau Overlook PtPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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fun! great friends and a good campsite. we read 20* on the digi thermometer. water in mcfarland, no telling for how long. its in pools of quartsite about 1/8 mile west of the corral.
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Feb 12 2011
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 Fountain Hills
Saddle Mountain to Plateau Overlook PtPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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May 01 2010
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Saddle Mountain to Plateau Overlook PtPhoenix, AZ
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Very cool area...will come back to check out some other stuff.
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May 01 2010
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 Mesa, AZ
Saddle Mountain to Plateau Overlook PtPhoenix, AZ
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Hit this trail around 6:00 with Bob and Wally. A little cool for the first mile, after that short sleeves were fine. Nice views from the overlook and lots of other cool looking areas to explore at another time. Saw one Raptor and one snake.Thanks to Wally for driving and Bob for buying lunch at Big Daddy's. :D
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Mar 07 2010
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 Phoenix, AZ
Saddle Mountain to Plateau Overlook PtPhoenix, AZ
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I haven't been backpacking since August, and this was quite the trip to get back into it.

I dragged Aaron (Pathfinder Aaron) and Brian (vvebb) out here with me in hopes for some great views and remote backcountry camping. We definitely got both. The road to the Mormon Grove trailhead was in great condition on the way in. It hadn't rained for a week or so, so it was dry, and there were certainly no bad washouts on the way up. The creek crossing immediately after the junction with 25a definitely requires some clearance, but no 4wd was needed (on the way in, at least. The drive out was a different story). Once we started hiking the clouds started to move in. There was no thick cover quite yet, but every once in a while a cloud would move in front of the sun and give us a bit of relief. After a couple miles we took a short side trip to the Potato Patch to ooh and ahh at such a large, perfect primitive campsite, but that was our only significant break along the Saddle Mountain Trail.

Once on the Sheep Creek trail every ravine we crossed had running water, which made for a beautiful stretch. We decided to stop and have lunch at the very scenic junction with the Thicket Springs Trail. The intimate campsite there was so perfect that I think we were all seriously considering setting up there. I know Aaron was game for making base camp there and spending the rest of the day exploring the surrounding creeks and waterfalls. I'm stubborn, though, and insisted upon reaching our planned destination. After lunch we all semi-reluctantly packed up and moved on. There was lots of running water and some significant downfall that resulted in slight issues in routefinding, so we built new cairns at some of the trickier spots.

After the Copper Camp Trail climbs out of MacFarland Canyon the hike drastically changes character. The ridgeline is full of burnt logs and extremely thick patches of new pine trees. Right before the trail rejoins the upper reaches of McFarland Canyon (after passing through the major burn area) it seems to suddenly dead end at a large cairn. We just hopped over a couple trees and pushed through some manzanita to catch the trail again in the creekbed. It was a little iffy at first, but soon cairns confirmed we had made the correct decision. From here on out route-finding was a cinch. After climbing back to the ridgeline the views of Saddle Mountain were ridiculous... The mountain doesn't look too daunting from the Saddle Mountain Trail, but from Copper Camp one gets to see how huge it is. As we trekked deeper into the wilderness, however, the views towards the lakes and the Verde River drew our attention away from Saddle Mountain. Canyons opened up on either side and the views went on for miles.

Soon the Plateau Overlook Pt came into view. It's a pretty significant drop from the high point on the Copper Camp trail down to the Plateau, but the trail is laid out well enough that it doesn't happen too quickly. Once we neared the destination I couldn't help but to forge ahead of the others... I was much too excited to get there. The turnoff to go off-trail and down to the overlook was pretty easy to spot, and we were all glad to make it there. We set up camp right smack in the middle of it.

That evening, after some brief exploration and photographing, we settled down by the campfire for dinner and went to bed not long afterwards. The rain came almost as soon as we retreated to our tents. Great timing (except that my rainfly popped off in the middle of the night. It was a brief stressful moment, but ended well).

The hike out was cold, windy, rainy, hail-y and snowy. Not much can be said about that but that we were all relieved to get back to the truck. The drive out required 4wd. Don't attempt these roads after heavy rain... Every last tiny drainage had water flowing, including all the ruts in the road.
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Mar 06 2010
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 Flagstaff, AZ
Saddle Mountain to Plateau Overlook PtPhoenix, AZ
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Saddle Mountain to Plateau Overlook PtPhoenix, AZ
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The last backpacking trip I took was the Reavis Ranch Loop last year, so it was nice getting out again with the pack for an overnight. My regular group has another backpacking trip to Angel Basin scheduled for this upcoming weekend as well, so it was nice to get a feel for the weight and gear again.
The trip in was pretty uneventful. The views of the surrounding canyons and mountain ranges were above average. There was a small amount of snow on four peaks, but the Saddle mountain area didn't appear to have any snow on the mountain tops. Driving in, the roads were good, and seemed to have been graded fairly recently. Not too many pot holes or eroded areas. When coming in there was only one water crossing that was no problem for a high clearance vehicle. There was one section of road after the creek crossings that I would say definitely limited vehicle travel to 4x4 only.
We left the Mormon Grove TH at around 11:10am. The air was warming and I chose to wear a short sleeve shirt which was very comfortable during the hike in. The path is a gentle uphill climb, wide and very apparent, a fair packed surface, somewhat rocky in places.
As you begin your decent down into the valley below on Sheep Creek Trail, the path becomes more and more overgrown. I brought a pair of snips to clean up what I could as there were places where the foliage had covered the trail. When possible I removed brush where it was too thick.
As you reach the bottom, you cross a small stream and the trail opens up into a fairly large flat area, great for a basecamp or lunch spot. There was a good deal of water flowing. When you reach the bottom here, if you look to your right across the far stream, you'll see the mine opening in the rock face.
After a short lunch break, we continued up the sheep creek trail for about a half mile when we came to the old corral, another good spot for a break or campsite. Enclosed by fencing, with good tree coverage, great for hanging tarps, plenty of flat areas for tents and good water sources (at least this time of year).
From this point the trail is intermittent and trail finding skill is necessary, not only because the trail is not very apparent, but it appears recent heavy rain and winds have knocked many trees down. From the valley up until we reached the higher elevations, there were A LOT of downed trees blocking the trails requiring detours. There is a huge amount of fallen debris on the trails. As we exited the valley, the north side Saddle Mountain came into view, and it had snow on it. As you reach the high elevations and everything opens up, the trail becomes even less apparent. If you find the stream bed, just follow it west and you'll be fine. You'll find the main trail eventually. The small bushes, Manzanitta and others were overgrowing the trails.
When we reached the highlands, the views were spectacular. We could see Saddle Mountain fully to the southeast, snowy Four Peaks behind and to the right of it, further to the south way off in the distance you could see Weavers Needle and the Flatiron, Bartlett Lake, Horseshoe Lake, and a multitude of cliff faces, and valleys in between everything. Some awesome sights.
We got down to the point around 5:15pm. We explored the area some before building a fire and making dinner. We were all so tired from staying up late Friday we didn't stay up long. Shortly after we climbed in our tents it began to rain.
We ended up sleeping in until around 8 or 8:30am, ate breakfast and packed up. We wanted to get out of there quickly as there were some heavy storm clouds moving in. The hike back up to the ridgeline from the point was pretty rough. One of about three steep climbs on the way back out to the trailhead. On the way up to the ridge it began to drizzle. Once on the ridge, heading east back toward the sheep creek, it hailed for a short time. We would end up dealing with freezing rain for the remaining hike out.
Once back up to the Saddle Mountain Trail, the path was pretty bad. The rain had made large stretches of the trail muddy bogs. Nothing too difficult, just extremely muddy. During the last mile and a half of the hike out it began snowing with flurries sometimes restricting sight to around three hundred yards or so. It seemed like the last quarter mile just would not end. All I could think about was how nice it would be to thaw my frozen thighs, feet and hands in the trucks heater. rounding the last curve, with the trailhead coming into view, I could see Joel beginning to set up a temp shelter... since I had the keys and he was pretty far ahead of me. By the time I got to the truck, it was sleeting, covering the truck in slushy ice.
The road out was not too bad, but we definitely had to go slow since the roads were muddy. On the way out, we crossed many small runoffs. Toward the bottom of the decent, there were two water crossings due to the rising water. Very muddy. I would not recommend anything other than 4x4 especially if you expect rains while out at this trailhead, otherwise the likelyhood of getting stuck in mud is high. I had new Toyo All Terrain tires that held up great, the mud and water crossings were no problem.
Despite the rain, hail, snow and sleet on the hike out, it was still an awesome trip. I will be going back in the future probably to the lower valley locations to do some camping.

GPS Points of Interest:
Mormon Grove TH 33* 56.370N 111* 30.190W
Potato Patch 33* 57.168N 111* 31.144W
Lower Corral 33* 58.218N 111* 31.111W
Tr 88/87 Intersection 33* 58.232N 111* 31.252W
Nice Falls (when there's rain) 33* 58.173N 111* 31.592W
Plateau Overlook Point 33* 57.643N 111* 32.774W
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Mar 07 2008
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 Mesa, AZ
Saddle Mountain to Plateau Overlook PtPhoenix, AZ
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gpsjoeTriplogs 140
Hiking15.10 Miles 2,800 AEG
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This is a spectacular hike with fabulous scenery that changes in a major way 3 times during the trip. At first you hike on an old mining road (Saddle Mountain trail) that is mainly above forest level and the views are both to the surrounding mountains and down to the forest floor. Then you drop down into the forest and hike along a stream bed passing on old small mine just 200 feet from the intersection of the Sheep Creek and Thicket Springs trail. The low forest is very nice itself.

Then comes the best. In the last 1.5 miles you reach the "other side" of the Mazatzals with panoramic views down to the Bartlett and Horseshoe Reservoirs that add great character to any photos you will want to take. I was going to rate this hike a 4 until I reached the last part where it deservedly rates a 5.

Thanks for the track Grasshopper. It kept me on track the whole way and made it easy to do the off-trail part.

There remains an issue with FR25 about 1/2 mile past the fork of FR25 and FR25A. There is a section less than 100 feet long that was impacted by a mud slide. I got through this in Low 4WD but the passage is narrow and a little scary. The rest of the road is in great shape and very dry right now.
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Saddle Mountain to Plateau Overlook PtPhoenix, AZ
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This was my fifth trip to the Mormon Grove TH in our southern Mazatzal Wilderness over the past two years.. I DO LIKE THIS AREA :) !

This hike I wanted to explore the more remote & scenic "upper end" of seven mile "inner trail"-
The Copper Camp Tr#87. There are only a limited number of ways to reach the upper end of this trail, all of which make for a relatively long hiking day. In my opinion, going in from the Mormon Grove TH gives one the "biggest bang for the time spent". The first 3 miles on Saddle Mtn Tr#91(which is actually the old-now closed mining road that goes to the Old Story Mercury Mine & also a segment of the AZ Trail) has very scenic vistas. The next 2 miles, also with a one mile segment of the AZ Trail, is on historic Sheep Creek Tr#88 which offers most ALL (with scenic views, seasonal creeks, nice varieties of flora, purple slate, an historic corral, ~springs, and at least one old mercury mine shaft along the way).

At this 5 mile point, the intersection with Sheep Creek Tr#88 and Copper Camp Tr#87 is where this subject hike descripton actually begins. As the author of this "Saddle Mountain to Plateau Overlook Pt" hike description, I encourage you to read it to hopefully entice some of you to add it to your HAZ "wish list". It turned out to be ALL I had hoped it would be- another very rewarding hike in our remote, diverse, and very scenic Mazatzal Wilderness!
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Took Saddle Mtn TR and Copper Camp TR to about one mile from Copper Camp and then headed back.
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Day 1: Mormon Grove to McFarland Cyn. There was a group of youngsters from California camped at the prime site and doing work on Copper Camp trail. We camped higher up the canyon.

Day 2: McFarland to Sears trail springs (el 3K). Incredible wildflowers (mostly Lupines) along Sears after Sheep Creek Cabin.

Day 3: Out to Horseshoe Dam.
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