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Bluff Springs Trail #235 - 79 members in 600 triplogs have rated this an average 3.5 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Sep 27 2025
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Bluff Spring Mountain LoopPhoenix, AZ
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chumleyTriplogs 2,011
Hiking16.27 Miles 2,747 AEG
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Stormy weather and cooler temps made it seem like a few miles in the soup could be nice. Not as humid as last weekend and temps stayed in the 70s all day with cloudiness dominating about 75% of the time (the other 25% happened whenever we were climbing a big hill ](*,) )

Wasn't sure what to expect with water, and was happy to find flows in places I wouldn't have expected. Peralta was dry. Barks was producing nicely. Bluff Spring Canyon and all the side drainages were nice higher up, less lower down. Surprisingly, LaBarge canyon was bone dry and had not even seen a hint of flow over the duration of the storm. It must just be a sponge of sand down there after a summer of little rain.

Charlebois had nice flow and downstream of there LaBarge was intermittent. The nicest flows of the day were on the way up Terrapin with flow in the drainages on all sides (and trail) all the way to within a few feet of Bluff Saddle, and then immediately flowing again on the south side and down from there.

I'm sure I had seen Wally's photo recon, but forgot or didn't realize the location ... the Marsh Valley, Calvary, Bull Pass, Dutchman area is absolutely obliterated. Pure moonscape. I didn't realize the burn had extended this far south. Ouch.

A good storm passed just to our east as we finished up, grazing us with wetting rain, but not quite enough to be completely drenched. Lightning stayed about 3-4 miles away which was nice. I rarely head out this way anymore unless conditions provide something unusual. Today worked for that.

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Occasional pools, especially upstream. Fewer pools farther down.

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Some of the strongest flow seen on the day.

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Flowing nicely. LaBarge Canyon below Charlebois was flowing intermittently with numerous deep pools.

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Canyon was flowing lightly

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A thicket of growth if you try to get to it. Ground was wet, sound of water dripping from spring above.

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Sep 20 2025
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We saw Scott at the trailhead and he said he planned to check out Middle Canyon. Wally thought we might run into him at some point on our hike but we never did.

did the loop clockwise, getting the big climb up cardiac hill out of the way early. In Barks Canyon I saw 2 carcasses, one of which was torn apart, which made me think a mountain lion might be lurking. Wally pointed out some scrawlings on the rocks near the Peralta rock and the saddle above the Terrapin Trail that I hadn't seen before. The ones above Terrapin Trail seemed interesting to me because it says "Lost Dutchman Mine" and "no trespassing", which seems to imply that the mine is right there. Closer inspection of that one seemed like some kind of acid was used on the rock to make the marks, they weren't etched like petroglyphs.

The 2nd climb before the junction with the Terrapin Trail was in the shade because it was still early and the sun was low. Along the LDT it leveled out and I was feeling pretty spry after the uphill slog. I had originally wanted to try to add the Ely-Anderson Trail and once we got to it I suggested we hike it.

We only got about a quarter mile in when it became obvious that it wasn't a good idea. The sun was beating down and it was starting to warm up quite a bit. That trail is also very steep, faint, and has some loose rock. I was almost completely out of water once we did finish our hike, so if we had hiked all of it, the last couple of miles would have been really rough.

The descent from Miners needle has the best views on this hike. Barkley Basin has a lot of saguaro skeletons, but still a lot of saguaros left. Older pics I have show more from before, but so soon after the fire, this area doesn't look that bad at all.

Clouds started to roll in the last couple of miles, but didn't offer much shade. Humidity was up more than the weekend before, and it was still pretty hot. Finished up without incident.
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Kelly and needed to squeeze in a hike on one of the few days we’re both in AZ this summer. Chumley came along to enhance the whining. Just about perfect weather for July in AZ. We got started around 0500. One other vehicle in the lot. Chumley caressed the hood of that truck and determined it had not been parked for very long. We headed up Peralta, happily in the shade. Humid, but moments of breeze felt great. Saw the one other hiker at Fremont Saddle.

From there, we headed out to the lone pine and took the obligatory pics. Then headed down Cave Trail. There are still a few vague spots in places, but overall it gets easier to follow every year. Temps stayed in the 70s the entire hike. This is a great little loop when there are no other people around. No vehicles besides mine in the lot when we finished. Surprisingly, only two vehicles at the Wave Cave parking when we left. Good to see both Kelly & Chumley this morning!
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Decided to take advantage of a cloudy morning with temps in the 70s. A July delight! :y:

Apparently exactly 1 out of ~5 million other Phoenix-area people agreed with that sentiment, and that was just fine with me.

Clouds were nice though Peralta is shaded anyway. Higher up a nice breeze helped knock down the moistitude in the air. Apparently it's been 15 years since I've done Cave Trail. I didn't remember any of it. Fun!

Good to see the ladies of the lands of potatoes and corn.
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linda and i had one day to hike together this summer :lol:
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set out up peralta right at 0500
temps in the 70s, nice breeze, some cloud cover
went out to the lone pine, then back on the cave trail
saw one guy at the saddle - nice to have such a popular trail to ourselves
nice to do this classic hike with linda and todd, in july no less
it was a tiny bit moist
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Perfect cinco de drinco weather out there established a mandatory outdoor assessment of conditions. A couple of cars in the lot, two hikers on their last breaths as we started out, and not a sign of another soul the rest of the day. Cloudiness, a few sprinkles, a cool breeze, and temps flirting with 60.

Yesterday it had rained hard here, with evident erosion from recent surface flows. Some puddles remained in all the favored locations.
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My buddy saw my pix from Sunday and decided he had to go too! We hiked up Peralta and out to the lone pine for lunch then came down Cave. He isn’t one for exposure so we took an alternate route down from the Fortress that goes around the north side from the slide to avoid the down-climb at the tub. Another excellent day in the Supes!!
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Solo trip up Peralta and down Cave Trail. Did some off-trail exploring along the way. Clouds made it nice for pix but also made it cool and breezy! The down-climb from the tub had more exposure than I remembered! But there is pure Supes beauty around every turn!!
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Wally and I hit the trail a little after 6:30am. Passed a couple of young whipper snappers on Cardiac hill and didn’t see them after that. We saw two other solo hikers later in the hike and that was it for humans. No wildlife except for a Mule deer on the drive in and a bird here and there. We hiked to Bluff Spring and checked out the flow then hiked back the way we hiked in. Wally guessed a quart a minute. There were pools around the Peralta rock too. Only saw a couple Hedgehog blooms and a flower by the spring of some sort.
The hike, weather, breeze, and company were top notch! It was great to get out in the Supes and a very enjoyable outing!
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Denny had the morning open for a hike and picked Bluff Spring. That was a good choice and we had hopes of seeing a gila monster (I've seen 4 in this area over the years) but we may have been a bit early in the day. The trail was rocky but not overgrown and the weather was about perfect. We took an easy pace and noticed the spur trail to Bluff Spring has moved some but it takes you right to the black hose with water flowing. We didn't find any gold on this hike but there's always next time. :lol:
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The last time I hiked to Robbers Roost was in 2021 with Warren and his dog Stella. We did it again today. This time we hiked up Peralta, then from Fremont Saddle back to Robbers Roost. After exploring Robbers Roost we hiked back to Fremont Saddle then down the Cave trail and Bluff Springs to the trailhead.
There was a little bit of trickling water here and there, along with some blooming hedgehogs and ocotillo.
Great weather. Fun hike.
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First time doing this loop as a day hike! To add something new, we checked out the major springs along the way! 😁 My previous visit was full of water. This time everything was dry except for a few pot holes of water here and there due to the bit of rain we had a couple of days last week.

My favorite section of this loop is red tanks. The views are expansive. The red rock formations are majestic. The views on whiskey are also beautiful.

La Barge spring was a real treat. Completely surrounded by vines, the spring is hidden in its own secret lair! 🤣🤣 There is a trail carved through the vines to get there. The trail itself is a muddy slip N slide, as the spring box is overflowing and water is running down the trail like a small creek. It is quite magical!! 💧🩵💧🩵💧 The water rains down into the spring box from above. There were 2 backpackers camping at the campsite closest to the spring, and another two filled up water before heading down red tanks.

Next stop was bluff springs, which I have been by so many times and never stopped to see! 🤣🤣 From the main campsite just off the trail, follow the main trail back towards the canyon and into the trees. There are lots of game trails, but there is still one main large trail going back. Just before entering the trees, there is a large piece of sheet metal. The water is coming directly out of a pipe and splashes down onto a large rock. The flow was a consistent small stream, but you would need to catch it in something to filter.

After bluff spring, we were in the home stretch. We noted the exact location of the Ely Anderson trail for a future trip. The trail is noticeable and cairned. There was no water in bluff spring canyon. Just a few small puddles near the giant rock in the wash.

Jason pointed out the Peralta rock in Barks canyon. I don't think I have seen it before. It is hiding in plain sight! 🤣🤣

Before you know it, we were down cardiac hill and back at the car! Another beautiful winter day in the desert full of sunshine! 🙂🌵☀️ In addition to the 2 groups of backpackers we saw at La Barge, we saw another 2 groups of backpackers heading in on bluff springs. It is certainly a fine weekend for it! We saw 4 day hikers when we were starting out on Dutchman. Not too bad crowding wise. The parking lot was a zoo when we arrived at 840a. Of course, thankfully all those people confine themselves to Peralta, leaving the rest of the wilderness relatively unscathed! 🤣🤣 I normally like to get an earlier start, but had some commitments in the early morning. The drive in was also a bit of a zoo. And there were unsurprisingly 30 cars at the carney springs TH at least. Craziness!

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Few puddles of water only.

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Water coming out of the pipe onto a large rock

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Lots of water. Spring box full and overflowing creating a mini creek of the trail leading up to the spring box. Spring is surrounded by vines.


dry Whiskey Spring Dry Dry
Didn't see anything in this exact area. There were some potholes of water here and there. And there was one area with some actively running water into a tiny pool in the creek bed.
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The last time I hiked a variant of this loop was well over 20 years ago. I remembered enough to know that I enjoyed the views along portions of the trail...so when trying to find someplace to hike this weekend, I slid the route on the table, hoping it would prove amenable to my hiking partners. After a little bit of dithering, they capitulated to my request - huzzah!

We had slightly later start than usual, following the slow caravan to Peralta Trail head, but lucked out and managed to snag one of the last spaces in the lot.

After signing in at the register at the behest of the volunteer ranger, we headed off and away from the hoards heading up Peralta. Not far into the hike, well before we started heading up towards Miners Needle, we passed less than a handful of other hikers headed back out (a pair and two singletons)....we'd have the trail to ourselves until La Barge Spring, where we encountered two pairs of backpackers. As we continued on our way out the Dutchman Trail on our homeward stretch, several additional groups of backpackers appeared....including one pair with an incredibly late late afternoon start.

We were able to maintain a surprisingly fast (for me) pace, given the slightly warmer weather today. We were aided by some apparent recent trail fairies who had clipped back the catclaw to allow for unhindered walking. The views were enjoyable, and it was nice to see the both Bluff and LaBarge Springs....though the brambly vines guarding LaBarge Spring demanded a blood sacrifice 🤣 (just a drop, and fear not, the spring remained uncontaminated).

There was a tiny bit of flow observed on some slickrock in the drainage possibly near Whiskey Spring, but I wasn't paying attention to the location, so I'm not lodging an official report. All drainages and washes were otherwise bone dry with maybe a pocket or two of water that will disappear in the next few days, I'm sure.

Only wildlife of note was perhaps the largest, plushiest velvet ant I've ever seen. It was terribly uncooperative for photographs though.

Possibly of interest to some, it seems I managed to take a photo from nearly the exact same spot about 25 years apart…it’s sad to see how fires have changed the landscape.

The hike didn't disappoint, and neither did the company 😊
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Spotted one optimistic ocotillo and then some purple nightshade at Bluff Spring.

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Steady flow observed from the pipe/tube.

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The box at the spring was full to overflowing....access is up a dirt slope and then by walking very carefully over the muddy bank amongst brambles. Be careful....the brambles proved to be more bloodthirsty than the catclaw!
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Black Top Mesa from Peralta, AZ 
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went out on peralta, then up and around black top mesa and back on terrapin and bluff springs. the entirety of bull pass is burnt as is most of the summit of black top mesa.

fantastic scenery the whole way. had great weather. didn't see anyone from fremont saddle until the parking lot. :)
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john proposed this combo after i refused to hike on south mountain again today :lol:
got going around 0745
forecast low was 35, temps were oddly warmer than that at 48 - windy though
i might have overdressed
up peralta to the saddle, down cave trail, up bluff spring, finishing on dutchman
this was a fun hike
hadn't been on cave trail in a couple years
nice to be back in the supes
we saw quite a few people along the way
thanks john, good suggestion :)
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Kelly wanted to get away from my beloved South Mountain. Blasphemy! I came up with a hike we hadn't done before. Turned out to be a couple miles longer than I thought it would be.
A little chilly starting out with the wind. Very nice once we got warmed up and in the direct sunlight.
We chatted with a few hikers/backpackers we came across.
Fun hike. Thanks Kelly! :)
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Oh no. I thought I had posted a triplog for this hike already, but I must have forgotten to hit save. I'll try to remember what I wrote the first time around.

Continuing the annual tradition of hiking around Weaver's Needle for a fourth year. It was cold in the morning at the start, especially when the wind was blowing. The fleece hoodie wasn't keeping me warm, but as soon as we started going uphill I was plenty warm. Took the loop counterclockwise again like last time. The start on Bluff Springs Trail is a bitch. The giant stair steps kill my knees. But it's easier to do it going up when the legs are fresh than down when the legs are tired. Terrapin Trail was overgrown in places and a machete or hedge trimmer would have come in handy. But it was passable. It warmed up nicely when we got to Terrapin and I shed the hoodie and traded the knit cap for the wide brim hat. At the north end of the loop shed the long sleeve shirt for the rest of the hike. It was perfect hiking weather.

Very pleasant hiking without running into other people. Saw very few people on most of the trail until we got to Peralta Pass where it was very crowded. Passed by burned area on Peralta trail where I guess there was a fire last year. Always sad to see. But it was a fairly limited area at least it seemed that way from the trail. Also this is the driest I've seen this trail. No water at all in most of the streams, and even in Barks Canyon the rocks were only a little wet in places. Didn't see any critters despite the trail being empty. Of course this trail is so rocky that it's hard to look anywhere but down without tripping and slipping, so there might have been all kinds of animals that I never saw.

All in all a great day of hiking.
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I'd been interested in exploring Music Canyon for quite a while, and it seemed like now would be a good time with extremely dry conditions and fewer potential water obstacles in the canyon. We planned to do this one two days prior, but a dead car battery that morning delayed plans and meant an early wakeup for nothing...but always easier to be stranded at home. Once that was sorted out, we gave it another try, and the weather was still perfect.

Peralta wasn't quite as crowded as usual, and we headed up Cardiac Hill ~7:15AM, with a comfortable start at ~50°, with some much colder pockets in the lower areas. Nice sunrise and uneventful hiking along Bluff Springs and Dutchman, and after a short break near the entrance to Music Canyon, the gloves and clippers came out, and we started in.

As expected, water wasn't an issue, but the brush was relentless--it took a lot of clipping and effort just to start into the canyon, but I hoped that it would start to open up after Music Spring. There were a few small, stagnant pools around the spring and some swampy areas, but most of the canyon was dry, as expected...I'm sure having water in there would've made it more difficult. There were a few brief breaks in the brush beyond the spring, but it didn't open up nearly as much as I'd hoped--at least enough to see more than just branches--and progress was slow with all the clipping.

Boulders and increasingly thick brush forced me up on the north bank of the creek bed, and I was able to get up to a point where I could see farther up the canyon where it bends to the north. From there, it was clear that it wasn't going to get any easier if I continued, so I made that the turnaround point.

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Getting back out was much faster, following the tunnel of clipping back toward the entrance. Surprisingly, we heard the voices of two people coming into Music Canyon on our way out, but we never saw each other through the thick brush. After we were back on Dutchman, we saw two big backpacks sitting alongside the trail, presumably belonging to the voices we'd heard. I certainly hadn't expected anyone to be back in there...whoever they were, I'm sure they got a nice surprise when they found all the clipping.

We took a short lunch break near Oak Spring and saw a few cardinals, and back on Bluff Springs Trail later, we heard some rustling in the grass before a skunk popped out nearby. Fortunately, it apparently didn't feel threatened enough to spray. We finished a little after 4:30PM and saw ~5-10 people on the trails, including the two voices in Music Canyon. Nice day and a good finish to 2024 hiking, even if we only sampled the first new notes of Music Canyon...I'll have to come back with more time someday--I know there are some interesting things to find in there.
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A few stagnant pools near the spring and some swampy areas nearby
 
Dec 22 2024
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 Mesa, AZ
Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking12.82 Miles 2,848 AEG
Hiking12.82 Miles   8 Hrs   31 Mns   1.76 mph
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Another trip around the needle.

I met up with Jason at his house in Gold Canyon and we arrived at Peralta TH a little before 7am. There were already quite a few cars in the lot. We opted for a CCW loop and started up cardiac hill.

Bluff Springs Trail is in good shape. Steep as always at the start. The grass was pretty high along Barks Canyon area. We made to the Terrapin/Bluff Springs junction just as the sun was starting to kiss the ridges.

Terrapin is in pretty good shape. The typical catclaw before the saddle was there, but I’ve seen it in worse shape. The hike up to the saddle is an up and down activity, but the hike down to the Dutchman is the reason we did this CCW. That’s a steep section best done with gravity as your friend.

We made it to the Peralta/Dutchman junction and took a little break before the long trudge up to the Fremont Saddle. The 1 mile section between Terrapin and Peralta was one of the few sections in the Western Supes Jason hasn’t hiked. So, he crossed that off.

The hike up Peralta was the same non-stop up and up. The Siphon fire made it to parts of the lower Peralta Trail. You could see the ugly brown scars starting from the ridgeline going down. It was the usual “mosaic” burn pattern. Some places roasted beyond life, right next to green trees and live cacti. As we got close to the needle, the fire damage subsided. But, it did come back as we got near Piper Springs. It didn’t seem to cross the trail at any point. Once we made it to the Pinon Camp area, all signs of the fire stopped.

Jason hiked down to check out Piper Springs. He saw a trickle flowing. That was literally the only water on this entire loop. Areas that usually had some water were all bone-dry. I cannot recall seeing this place so dry in December, ever.

We made it to the Fremont saddle and saw 3-4 groups. Some out at the Lone Pine and some at the saddle. We came across some others going up and down from the saddle. I am wondering where all of the people that were parked at the TH were hiding as we saw nobody along the loop except for 1 solo hiker near the Peralta/Dutchman junction doing the same loop clockwise.

Always a treat to hit this one as the needle looks like a different formation from each side. The elevation is also broken up nicely which makes the +2800 ft aeg seem more manageable. I hope we get some rains soon. It is TOO dry out there.
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Dec 21 2024
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Bluff Springs Trail #235Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
Hiking avatar Dec 21 2024
VashtiTriplogs 284
Hiking9.75 Miles 2,253 AEG
Hiking9.75 Miles   7 Hrs   15 Mns   1.48 mph
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Beautiful day to be out hiking!! So glad to try a new trail! I've never been on crosscut, so decided to try it today. So glad to have read the @DarthStiller triplog saying that the official route is not accurate for the descent to Peralta. I used the mentioned route from @adilling, and it was perfect! Thank you! 😁 The crosscut trail was super easy to find and is well defined the entire length from terrapin to Peralta. Follow the cairns when descending to Peralta and also use @adilling route.

Parking lot was almost full on arrival to Peralta Trailhead. We headed out and saw no one on bluff spring, terrapin, or the crosscut. We saw our first people on Peralta right at the crosscut junction. We saw 2 more single hikers on Peralta before Fremont saddle. After a snack, we headed down on cave and saw 2 more people at devil's slide. They were having trouble finding a way up. They watched us come down, but after a while, they gave up and turned around. :(

Beautiful day for a hike if a bit hot for a December day! 😁😁😁
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