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Apr 16 2024
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Y Bar MDT Rock Creek Barnhardt, AZ 
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Took 3 days off from work to go check out the MDT and some areas I had blown by a couple of years ago while backpacking the AZT. Y Bar was a rocky challenge but it was cool and water was flowing across the trail at various locations. Someone a day ahead of us had been trimming some manzanita. Mark turned around at the saddle after a quick lunch and rest. I continued on to the MDT where a thru hiker was airing out her stinky feet and apologized. No worries, I kind of reeked of sweat myself and had only been hiking 4 hours tops. The MDT was smooth sailing, made good time but tried to slow down and enjoy the views. Met another hiker from NC who had seen a black bear with 2 cubs earlier in the day south of Bear Spring. He said "she looked at me, I looked at her", he backed up, gave her some space and after 5 minutes, she was gone into the manzanita. This gentleman was headed to Horse Camp Seep to meet up with other AZT hikers for the night.

Filtered some water from Chilson Spring (it's worth the climb for the great views), the water running across the trail in several areas was actually cleaner looking, but that's what filters are for. Made it to Chilson Camp by 4 or so. Set up, ate dinner, settled in. Two gentlemen set up tents nearby, said they were going to knock out 25 miles the next day. : rambo : Never heard a peep out of them :zzz: and they left camp early the next morning.

I headed out after breakfast for some day hiking. Someone a day ahead of me was still doing some trail trimming. He missed some catclaw around the North Fork of Deadman Falls, which was still flowing. I didn't see any reasonable way down the canyon without getting myself into trouble, so continued on to Horse Camp Seep. What a beautiful camping spot it is. It was empty so I had the falls to myself and relaxed for awhile. My next stop was Rock Creek Trail which starts off as a muddy trail up to Hopi Spring. After the spring, the trail was cleared well, but it was one heck of a climb. Someone was still trimming manzanita along the trail. I don't think I hiked much more than a mile, high enough to get a signal and text Mark that I was alive and well. After catching my breath, I headed back down to the MDT, back to Horse Camp Seep where I filtered 4 L of water to take back to camp.

Made it back to Chilson camp, had settled in for the afternoon, changed into my pajamas, was lounging on a "couch" I had made from a piece of wood and a couple rocks. I heard what sounded like a tornado coming down Brody Seep Trail and realized it was a huge swarm of bees. Quickly ran into my tent and hunkered down, hoping they would just pass through. Nope..they decided to cluster in a tree right by my tent. I waited until no bees were moving, VERY QUIETLY moved my stuff to the field, quickly packed up and left. Hiked a mile south on the MDT in my pajamas to the big tree camping area close to Barnhardt. After getting set up again, a crew from ACE showed up to set up their "emergency camp". They were planning on doing trail maintenance the next day, just arrived too late to go much further. It was lights out by 8:00 for everyone, me included. Temperature got down to 39 degrees that night, but quickly warmed up the next morning. Headed down Barnhardt trail about 7:00 and arrived at the TH about 10:30. Another great adventure! :y:
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Visiting the Twins - Sandy and Deadman, AZ 
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A free 5-mile Super Duty massage on 70 psi tires.

Barnhardt Trail #43
Brush seemed closer than usual but nothing of concern. We enjoyed a wonderful break at 6.25 mi.

Mazatzal Divide Trail #23
Slightly rockier than I recall but that was the theme of the day. Nice extended views from this trail.

The obligatory trip down to the falls. Ho hum. We followed the creek up from the North Fork Falls, which was pretty snazzy IMHO. We had lunch at Horse Camp then merged into Trail 42.

Rock Creek Trail #42 - Mazatzals
It was cool until it wasn't. The east side up through the manzanita is remarkable how much they cut out, most grateful. Boy howdy is it steep. West of the ridge which is the bulk of the trail heading down was not a great trail in my opinion. Rocky, search and find on occasions, steep, slanted, wah wah. The geology is remarkable and unmistakably Mazzies! The falls were a nice treat.

The bottom mile is a trail void of 10.2 billion ankle-buster rocks.

Half Moon Trail #288
This turned out to be the best-maintained trail of the day... woulda lost that bet. A few snags of catclaw overhang the trail but you could hike it in shorts. If it weren't for the mundane bajada mogul coaster and a bovine hang out it would rate higher.

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Linda picked this hike, surprisingly her first visit. The twins are Bruce's favorite hike. It's a phenomenal workout and I'm glad I had the opportunity to hike it.
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A white onion of sorts on occasion, then an accumulated group on Half Moon

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A good flowing river. I walked across cuz I couldn't find good balancing stones like the gymnast.

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Flowing well but I was able to cross easier than usual

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Flowing well based on all the water seeping down the side of the mountain

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Good flow, seen much stronger

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Mist free

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout I don't know about a spring, but that's one hell of a waterfall

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Water seeping everywhere

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Good flow, we've witnessed 2-3x the flow in previous years.
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Feb 29 2024
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North Fork Falls of Deadman CanyonPayson, AZ
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In our never ending quest to choose hikes that will annoy each other, I suggested Deadman for this week. The road to Barnhardt had no clearance issues, but is rattly as heck, and I wasn’t even going that fast, never exceeded 32 mph, most of the time around 15 mph. Joe searched for extra seatbelts in the backseat to avoid being flung out a window.

Got started up Barnhardt at 0700. Decent enough condition. Flowing water in the expected spots, easy to keep the shoes dry. More sun than I’d like, but not too warm.

Quick snack break shortly after reaching the Divide Trail. I ate about a quarter of a ribeye, saving the rest for lunch, and endured endless teasing. Divide Trail was annoyingly rocky for a long stretch, but easy hiking.

Dropped down into a creek to get to the falls. The water flow at the falls was light, but sufficient enough to be a waterfall. We got some pics, then stayed in the creek as we headed to Horse Camp. The falls and creek were the highlight of the day—lots of fun. I rammed my leg into an agave, apparently directly into a blood vessel, because it was spurting blood for a moment until I put cold creek water on my leg. It was very tender for the next ten miles. Nobody wanted to hike next to me since I now smelled like steak and blood and supposedly the Mazzies are full of bears. Bruce pretended like our escape route from the creek back up towards the trail was easy and made us climb a rotten log. He pretty much floats uphill (hot air or helium, the jury is still out) while I cling to every rock and tree branch and try to not slide backward.

Had lunch at Horse Camp. The continued towards Rock Creek Trail. Very muddy trail around Hopi Spring, but the manzanita was clear from the trail. Not the superhighway Bruce had promised, but no crashing thru brush. Steep uphill, I whined about being hot. The trail was vague in many places on the descent, and in pretty rough shape. I would have hated to ascend it, so was at least mostly happy to be going downhill. Nice scenery and geology helped. The falls were a nice treat, and after that the trail became mostly more defined.

Half Moon is mostly forgettable, in my opinion. I spent most of the time comparing our ascent vs descent for the day and realizing we still had 500’ to climb to get to my truck. At least the path thru the catclaw was clear. We maximized daylight for the day, finishing a few moments after 1800. Great day, lots of fun and laughs.
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Visiting the Twins - Sandy and Deadman, AZ 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,762
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This is one of my favorite destination hikes in AZ.

Joe puts up with me/it and will join sometimes unwillingly. Linda was a twins virgin, so she was in to rectify that. It was chilly for the first 10 minutes, but with the climb, it became comfortable quickly. Garden Seep, Hawaiian Mist, and the Big Kahuna were all flowing. Having already been there, we kept climbing. Been there done that so we kept climbing.

Past the falls, the manzanita is starting to encroach on the trail. It's not bad now, but it won't be long before it becomes more difficult to navigate with a good growing season.

The Divide Trail through Chilson Camp is my least favorite section because of the rocks, but this is short-lived.

We let Linda experience the falls:
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Something new for us, we headed up Deadman Creek. It's quite picturesque with only one slightly tricky spot in the brush to exit, at the falls,just downstream of Horse Camp.

We had lunch at Horse Camp, where I enjoyed my PBJ, and Linda enjoyed her bag of moist beef.

Back on the Divide Trail, we made our way over to the now clear Rock Creek Trail. There is not a sign at the intersection that shows this as Rock Creek, but there is one that points to Hopi Spring. This is the trail. It was easy to tell that Hopi Spring was running, as the trail was running all the way to the spring.

The last time Joe, Denny, and I did this portion of the trail, we had no clue how steep it was. We were more concerned with busting through thick Manzanita to get to the top. What an improvement! Thanks to all that carved a path to the top.

The hike down was fine, but it's easy to lose the trail in spots because of the overgrowth. Once down by the falls area, the magical Mazzy geology takes hold. A hike to this spot from down below would be a worthy shorter hike.

Now on the Half Moon trail, it was clear sailing. We had worries of being shredded by the catclaw, but that was never a problem. It was through this section that Joe came out of his shell and just couldn't stop exclaiming just how much fun he's had all day and wished it would not end. Later on the drive home, probably because of all the water on the day, he even mentioned something about a baptism.

A good long day of hiking. We started as the sun was rising and finished as it was setting.

We probably hit this at least a week late for maximum flow, but it was quite acceptable and made for easier hiking on mostly mud-free trails.

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We didn't climb to check, but based on the water on the trail, the catchment should be full

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Spring box is full

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Plenty of water in the area

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Feb 24 2024
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Barnhardt and Deadman, AZ 
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Fourth time to Deadman Falls. First time for the rest of the group. Started at 0705. Temp was ~40° at start, warmed to ~75°. Cloudy at start, with sun emerging later (enough that I had a mild sunburn at the end). Patches of snow throughout. Slippery in a few places.

Water was flowing pretty well at all the falls. I've seen them stronger, but this was pretty good. We stopped at Big Kahuna for about 30 minutes, took pics, and climbed around. Stopped at Sandy Saddle for 30 minutes for pictures, exploring, and lunch. Arturas somehow fit a whole banquet into his backpack - 3 pounds of ribs, a fruit basket, homemade cookies, a jug of hot tea, and other snacks. It worked, because they had a lot of energy on the way back. At North Fork falls, Arturas did a full polar plunge, while the rest of us dipped our feet in the water. 🥶 We went upstream to Horse Camp Seep, playing in the other 6 waterfalls along the way. Then we headed back.

I tweaked my previously-injured Achilles tendon stepping on a rock that shifted, so I was slow heading back, but they were patient with me. We saw only 3 other people and 1 dog the entire day. No trash to pick up. Overall a great day, with beautiful weather, great views, and excellent company. My Achilles tendon is feeling a little better now, about 50%.

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Decided to backpack what I was going to do a month ago before being turned back by snow. Rock Creek Trail was in decent shape, with a few overgrown spots, up to the saddle. Some flow in the falls, one of the highlights and a great spot to stop for a snack. Got to Horse Camp Seep by early afternoon, giving us time to set up camp before heading down to Deadman Canyon.

Barely any water in the main channel. The drainage coming from the east had a touch more. Impressive gorge there.

Temps were chilly at night and I didn't sleep well. Don't think we got going until about 10am, and decided to make a beeline to the TH via the Barnhardt Highway. Winds picked up and it was probably as cold at the TH as it was when we left Horse Camp Seep. Barnhardt Falls didn't have much flow, but the canyon down below looked to have plenty.

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North Fork Falls of Deadman CanyonPayson, AZ
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Needed a little day hike to get away from the world. Delivered.

Half Moon #288
Great shape. Some sections have been cleaned up since my last visit a few years ago. Every creek and drainage was overflowing, Barnhardt and Rock required using deadfall to get across dry. A recent redirect at the end, within sight of Rock Creek TH, that was confusing, but it eventually looped back down.

Rock Creek #42
There were a few sections of new overgrowth on the climb up to the creek crossing, nothing worth fretting about. Once I got past the first half mile of climb this one actually felt fun, especially in the cliff breaks. Yeah the falls were flowing. Snow became a minor issue after 6000', hiding tread and adding a few slips, all fun & games. Descent to Hopi is 95% defined with a narrow break in the manzanita and a few cairns. Hopi Spring looks amazing.

Horse Camp Seep / Deadman Falls
Saw my first hikers of the day here ( @Metalrunner! ) and quickly puttered down to check out the falls from the north bank. They are amazing. Photos don't do them justice. I could have spent all day sitting on that rim, listening to their roar and feeling the mist fly up.

Mazatzal Divide #23
Is more of a waterway than a trail. Sloppy going. Saw a few backpackers here, told some stories, gave unsolicited advice, etc.

Barnhardt #43
Quite muddy. Suspect that there had been a lot of traffic in-and-out today, churning up the path, though I only saw three this late in the afternoon. Those falls were flowing too. A few sections are starting to get shade from taller willows/manzanita, which would be heckin' awesome.

This was exactly the break I was looking for today, complete with long periods of solitude and an almost-constant sound of falling water. I get why some OG members have been here so many times.
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Met a friend from Flagstaff at the end of Barnhardt Road where I left my car and we carried on to the trailhead in his. No sense in bruising both of our tires. Road was eroded and rocky but doable with low clearance.

Met at 7am and started with the sunrise. Cloudy and cold to start the day. Original plan was to see how the water was flowing in BK Falls before deciding whether to loop with Rock Creek and see Deadman and Sandy or to summit Mazatzal Peak. Thought all the snow had melted by now, but that wasn't the case. Snow on the north side of every ridge, and once the climb starts on Barnhardt it's slippery with hard-packed, icy snow. Waterfalls everywhere in Barnhardt Canyon, especially the side canyon. HM Falls was flowing lightly, and BK falls was very solid.

Mazatzal Divide Trail was puddled in the morning and made it tough to keep our feet dry. Tried to head down to the lower falls, but the dog we had with us was not a willing canyoneer. Ended up being a good idea for the sake of time. Clouds gave way to clear sunshine on our way out of the drainage to the lower falls, and it lasted for a couple hours while we hung around the upper pair of falls. What an amazing place to be.

Headed up toward Rock Creek trail. Divide trail to there from around Horse Camp Seep was snowy and wet. Superb views of endless pines and slick rock creeks. Ended up turning back and not continuing the loop. Climb up to Rock Creek from the west doesn't really exist. I'm sure it does on the east side, and I plan on finding out next week.

Walk back was through an increasing winter storm. Dramatic clouds, but no more than light flurries that amounted to very little snow. It carried on through the night, but I don't think anything too substantial.

My phone ended up deciding to install a software update, and I lost the route and the numbers, so what I've got is pretty ballpark. Didn't see anyone on the hike and no animals besides a deer.
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Chilson Spring Dripping Dripping
Spring Box was just about full

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Oct 11 2019
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Hit up the Mazzies for a long weekend. Really nice weather now that things are cooling off.

Friday afternoon/evening we hiked up Barnhardt to Chilson Camp, arriving just after dark. Plenty of water in the new spring box. Made good use of the table/bench set up. Windy and clear night on the divide.

Saturday morning we took our time and made the hike over to HCS. Set up as home base for the next two nights. Enough water directly behind camp and a lot more in the pools leading to the canyon. Took a dip in the water and hung out at the cliffs for sunset.

Sunday was a day off to hang around and explore. Loved the pace of this trip. We met two AZT thru-hikers going North to South this time of year. Went back to the cliffs twice, for lunch and sunset, to see different sections. As expected, no flow on the waterfalls this time of year, but still an incredible place either way.

Monday we made good time going mostly downhill back to the car. Met a guy in the parking lot with pack horses coordinating a supply run to Chilson with for an AZT trail crew. That was fortunate for us, because my car wouldn't start, and he gave us a jump. Phew!

All-in-all, I know this is a way more popular spot in the spring because of the waterworks -- but we enjoyed the solitude of this autumn adventure!
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dry Big Kahuna Falls - Mazatzal Wilderness Dry Dry
No flow this time of year.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Chilson Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Plenty of water in new spring box

dry Deadman Canyon Falls - North Fork Dry Dry
Nothing this time of year, as expected.

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No real flow but plenty of water in pools. Some right behind camp. Much more down the creek drainage.

dry Sandy Saddle Falls Dry Dry
No flow this time of year. Some very small drips at the bottom.
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Took Barnhardt up to the Divide and over to HCS this weekend. Lovely temps and even a little warm during the day. Saw a large group (~10) heading down to see the falls from below, not sure if they were HAZ folks or not. We explored around camp into the chain of smaller falls and pools that lead down to the big falls. At dusk we were joined by an AZT thru-hiker from Australia; he had just hit mile 424. We of course gave him a beverage and spent the night swapping stories around the fire. Great trip and can't wait to see more of this incredible area.
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It was a waterfall filled weekend in the Mazatzal's! With all the snow and rain we circled this weekend to see what all the runoff looked like and we were not disappointed. We hiked in Barnhardt Trail to the divide and on to Horse Camp Seep for the nights camp. Arriving early around noon we were able to do exploring in the afternoon.

Chumley proposed the idea of dropping into the abyss beneath the waterfall trifecta with a twist. We did the same descent a few years back but this time Chumley spotted an additional climb and traverse between upper and lower waterfalls. Not knowing for sure if it went we gave it a shot and fortunately everything worked out. It's difficult to describe the route but safe to say we were able to view all the waterfalls from some very unique angles! The agave, prickly pear and other assorted cactus made for an interesting route which Chumley described well. Despite the rugged route it was without question the highlight of the weekend. After taking what seemed like a ridiculous amount of photos we climbed back out of the abyss and back to camp at Horse Camp Seep.

Back at camp we relaxed after the tough hike and enjoyed the evening with Johnny showing up a bit later with Daisy the wonder dog! Cold night but the fire made up for it.

Next day we headed out Rock Creek Trail passed Hopi Spring and back up to the divide. That was followed by the big descent down to the Rock Creek trailhead. However, we stopped by the Rock Creek falls first and also met up with Lee and Blanco where we all checked out the falls for awhile before finishing up the hike. Big thanks to Lee for being our driver between Rock Creek trailhead and Barnhardt trailhead :D
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Mazzy Overnight, AZ 
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Having seen this winter progress, along with a few recent trip reports and photos we knew this would be a good time to head into the Mazzies. It did not disappoint!

I had the goal of getting to the middle "bowl" between the waterfalls, and knew it would take a while, so we headed out early and managed to get to camp around noon. Karl opted to join me on my adventure, and it turned out to be the highlight of the trip!

From the bottom of the canyon, we ascended the steep scree slope which was an absolute mess of primarily prickly pear, but also a ton of agave, and pincushion. Footing was poor, rocks were loose, and there was nothing safe to grab. Literally, grabbing an agave was often the best choice for supporting yourself! :o

As noted by @te_wa, near the top there are several small cliff bands that you need to climb through, none particularly difficult on its own, but again, each level was littered with cactus making a few moves fairly precarious. Once reaching a point that seemed to be about 25 feet below the rim, we dropped down again into the bowl between the falls. It's just a little slice of heaven in Arizona! :)

We explored the base of the two upper falls and the top of the lower fall, took a metric s-ton of photos and videos, and then made our way back the way we came. At the top, we chatted briefly with @the_n and a group of backpackers he was with before heading back to the others at Horse Camp. The day trip had taken as long as the 10 mile hike to camp in the morning. Plenty of blood was shed. These mountains are not forgiving.

Campfire, beer, dinner, and relaxation on a chilly night that dropped just below freezing led to a well-earned night sleep.

In the morning we headed up to Rock Creek, fighting the manzanita as expected, stopping at the falls on the way down. Lee hiked up to meet us and provided a welcome shuttle from RC back to Barnhart, saving us the agony of catclaw hell on Half Moon.

I was exhausted. Literally destroyed. Back home, it hurt just to sleep that night! A brutal two days in the Mazzies. And I wouldn't have it any other way! :D
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Rock-Divide-Barnhardt Horseshoe, AZ 
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1st trip
Originally had planned on doing a different trip into the lower Mazzies but conditions and logistics actually favored this trip and considering it’s something I’ve been wanting to do for many years I put it into play and it worked out fantastically.

Starting at the Rock Creek TH was such a treat, not a soul there but us three friends and Payton the adventure pup.
Getting the hard work out of the way on day one was the way to go, RC trail is in suberb condition for the most part besides the little portion before you top out and the backside when it gets tight but a keen eye can spot the manzanita base trimmings done by someone I truly admire.

Hitting the divide like everyone says feels like a “super highway” which is the prefect description as it was a treat for the feet and legs.
I expected to run into some other backpackers at the 5 star camp that HCS is but we had the place all to ourselves! :)
Made camp and relaxed a little bit before we made the pleasant stroll to the nearby epic geological features.
After spending time on the edge and enjoying the sunset we made our way back to camp followed by a great night of camping and a massive moon above with quite literally perfect weather.

Just as planned we were cruising on Sunday with lighter packs, minimal elevation and expressway of a trail gave one the ability to really soak in the mind blowing views.
We saw are first human just before Chilson Spring and soon after saw one then many more once we got within a mile of the Big K.
Had lunch in the grotto and breezed down the rest of Barnhardt back to the TH where a good friend of mine picked us up at and drove us back to my truck at the again empty Rock Creek TH.

Truly an amazing and fulfilling trip with good friends and my dog Payton who I’m so proud of as she crushed it and led the pack quite literally the entire trip.

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Raging whitewater.

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Gusher.

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A light flow, half the juice of it’s nearby twin.

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Entire section of the trail was wet here.

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Nice little filterable pool and plenty for a thirsty dog to get a drink and cool down in.

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Clear, cool, flowing reliable water source for an army.

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Double the flow from my last visit and quite the sight.

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The planned route was an attempt to follow @Lizard's original Club Cabin description with two key differences: I wanted to reverse it and use Sandy Saddle to go up (instead of Half Moon / Rock Creek). However, things didn't go well and I ended up bailing on the last leg.

Barnhardt #43
First time heading up this trail in daylight. Starting to get a bit overgrown in sections, all friendly green stuff that never hurt nobody. Bumped into a yuge group (12+) from Prescott Comm. who were doing a 3-week trip from here to Fossil Creek. These would be the last people I'd see in... a long time.

Sandy Saddle #231
Good grief. Even getting to Castersen Seep involved trekking-poles-above-head wading through the manzanita. There are sections of defined tread and clear track, they are just few and far between. Castersen was okay, few tanks w/ skunky water. Had a hard time tracking trail over to the next wash, and that last climb doesn't believe in switchbacks. Made it to the saddle proper with the sunset, a solid hour behind schedule. This would make a decent camp, plus there were tanks few hundred yards to the west for water. Unsure of how dependable they are.

Anyways, didn't even try to look for tread coming down the west side, just dropped in the drainage and followed it down. The wash was easy enough to navigate in the twilight / moonlight and I made it to Divide Trail, then Horse Camp Seep, without needing headlamp. Rehydrated and snoozing in hammock by ten.

Mazatzal Divide #23
As usual, big views. Was cool to look down from the ridge above the Park and try to track where Willow Spring plays on 6351'. Trail is in great shape. Thought about pushing on to Pete's Pond to camel up and didn't - stupid mistake.

Willow Spring #223
Heh. That first mile is turrible. Deadfall wasn't really a problem, more the manzanita and loose rocks underfoot. Found no cairn or tread along the way. Got a gnarly bloody nose here too thanks to a face-whacking branch, took way too long to stem the flow. Things got better on the ridge, with old tread and game trails providing an easier way forward through the shorter brush. Views across Maverick Basin were ridiculously awesome, too.

The dance along the side of 6351' was annoying, with the trail fading in and out of existence and too few cairns to connect the dots, and a pretty steep hillside to work along. Short section of good trail on the drop until it faded out again and I ended up taking a rocky drainage down to wash below. At this point I was starting to run low on water and decided to stick to the sandy wash in hopes of finding water (and maybe to avoid the manzanita/deadfall mix that waited on the southern bank). Found a decent tank (though I suspect it was only there from last night's rain) and filtered up, spooked an elk while packing up, and then hacked my way back up to trail.

Things gradually got easier along the ridge and, by the time I bumped into the Midnight Mesa Junction, the trail was straightforward to pick out. Dancing along the side of Midnight Mesa was downright fun, and the rest of the hike to Mountain Spring was enjoyable as well. Reached the spring with two hours of daylight for camp chores and treated myself to some homemade thai curry mix and a quick trough-side rinse-off.

Aside from the second night: at about ten at night that elk showed up for a drink. Darn thing was less than ten feet away before I realized he wasn't another tiny nocturnal rodent. Seeing a giant rack upside down, looking down on you as you cowboy-camp, is a hell of a way to wake up. Spooked him off and then fell back asleep to his annoyed bugles. Elk sound silly when they're angry.

Deadman #25
Getting to the junction is easy to follow, and there is a good path w/ cairns that lead down to Horse Creek. And then it disappears. Tried going up and down the banks a few time to find where it climbs and eventually just hacked up the hill. It's frustrating, because there are two old barbed fences to cross, and one would think that there'd be a gate or cairn or something to mark where you're supposed to pass through them - nothing. Got to practice my Zeta-Jones skills squeezing underneath the wires, at least. Tread shows up at the next drainage crossing and is easy to follow for the next mile, then gets faint on the long drop to Deadman Creek.

Deadman Creek seems to be dependable here, with lots of friendly trees and some reeds growing around the trickling waters. Trail was hard to track on the other side - I crossed, got to the corral, and then followed the fence east, and then lost it. Think I should have gone further east. Anyways, hacked my own way up some turrible brush and then picked a route up the hill. Found a few cairns but the tread wasn't trackable for too long. Felt like it took forever to climb up to the saddle. Once I reached the top, feeling a bit light-headed from the growing heat, I was immediately stung several times by a wasp. Made it down to the junction w/ Davenport Trail before the reaction started getting serious.

This is when things get a bit blurry. I reached out to wife (@klemerick) via inReach and let her know what had happened. I decided to head up to Club Cabin and rest for a while, took every ounce of energy to make it up that hillside - something was definitely off, either from heat or sting or both. Once I got there I remember wandering around, uncertain of what to do next, taking almost an hour before realizing that I should be drinking water given the 100+ temps. @klemerick was in constant contact and she decided that I needed to get out of there the fastest way possible, down Davenport, and that she and @reynchr would help me out along the way. Spent the rest of the day futzing around the cabin, not doing much of anything, mostly trying to get a grip on things. It was terrifying.

Davenport #89
Woke up the next morning feeling slightly better, still off. Those little climbs, especially near Rock Spring, kept knocking the wind out of me. At least the path was easy to track after the last few days - think I only lost it twice, and was able to quickly backtrack and get back on it. Don't know how I had such a hard time following it last year lol. Made it about halfway down that last mesa, outside the wilderness boundary, when a USFS truck showed up to give me a ride the rest of the way.

My rescuers, @klemerick and @reynchr, had spent the night at Sears Trailhead and left a water cache for me there while they went back and tried to find a way to get their vehicle across the Verde. By sheer luck they bumped into a ranger at the camp and explained the situation. He had access to the dam gates and drove over to save me the last four miles of hiking, which was definitely appreciated. Made it out of there in relatively good shape, though I was still shaky and weird from the day before. I have no idea how I would have gotten out of there without their help, though - trying to cross back over to Barnhardt would have been far outside my capabilities in my shape. Am very grateful for them.

Mazatzal Miles: 164.6/275 (60%)
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Well, the seep proper was dry, but there were tanks downstream that held water.

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Main hole was full, pools/trickles went almost halfway to cabin.

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Tanks were lowest I've seen them.

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Some trickle along creek, cement trough was full (and quite green).

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Great overnight trip with a friend and the dogs to see the big falls. We hooked up with a solo backpacker and his pooch on the way to Horse Camp Seep and he hiked with us the rest of the way. Great camp company and a fantastic weekend. It was pretty breezy but the temperatures were cool and perfect.
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Y Bar - Deadman - Rock Creek, AZ 
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Mazzie Waterfall Tour 2017. Slept at the TH Friday night and before the hike even started I spotted a Teva, a Tortoise & an Eagle on Saturday a.m. Nice to meet you fellas. Myself, Dallin & Bradley set off up Y Bar first. Looks like some work was done on Y Bar. Still rocky as ever, but some of the old deadfall was removed and replaced by new deadfall. No navigational issues here. Water flowing from every drainage. We hit the Divide and set out for Bear Spring and a lunch break. Essentially, all we did was add 2 hours of snow plowing by adding this trip. Good times, though. There was plenty of new deadfall along this stretch that we have previously cleared. Bear Spring was not the oasis it usually is during warmer months. It's currently still snowed in. There were a couple of 'unnamed' falls along the Divide between Y Bar and Bear Spring. The Divide Trail was a real treat this weekend. Patches of snow and plenty of water. We didn't even carry any water. Get thirsty, drink from the next drainage. We arrived at Horse Camp with wet feet, set up, and me and Dallin took off for Deadman Falls by following the creek there. Truly, a spectacular sight. Cacti and pines below a huge waterfall and neat geology. We ran into a group of backpackers I had chatted with at the TH. They were camping right at the edge of Sandy Saddle Falls. Back at camp, we enjoyed a very comfortable night, huge fire & an early a.m. sprinkle or two. Sunday a.m. we were off and headed up Rock Creek Trail. Not much of a trail to begin with. We followed the path of least resistance until finding cairns and the actual 'trail' which still requires pushing through manzanita. The other side of Rock Creek Trail is pure beauty. Perhaps one of my favorites. A snowy, pine covered hillside to the North meets a rocky, cacti & manzanita covered hillside with a raging creek in between. The views of the Mazzies, Tonto Basin and beyond are amazing, as well. After some steep downhill, we were cruising and missed the Half Moon junction. A quick uphill bushwack straightened us out. Half Moon Trail was the biggest unknown for me on this trip. Turned out the be in much better shape and more scenic than I imagined. Where the trail disperses, cairns are there to guide you. The 2 big seas of catclaw are impressive. We finished back at the Barnhardt TH just as storms moved in. Ended a great trip with the first thunder/lightning show of the year.
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Saw a few small species of blooms. The show is just getting started.

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Horse Camp Seep - MazatzalsPayson, AZ
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Went out for a night under the stars. Morning rain had just ended when I started so the road was a mess but I had the place to myself. The hike up Barnhardt and over to camp was awesome. A couple of locust patches on Barnhardt but nothing terrible. Had some overcast and generally cooler temps with not a storm in sight all day and night. The Divide is in great shape through this stretch. Made it to camp and found plenty of water and had time to set up and gather firewood before dinner. The noseeums and mosquitos were nearly unbearable. Fell asleep to frog songs and some kind of blue fireflies. Planned on sleeping in a little but got a 5am thunder wake-up call so I packed up and got moving. Watching lightning strikes through Deadman Canyon was an amazing sight. Before reaching the Barnhardt junction the skies opened up and deafening thunder rumbled all around. The intense stuff only last 30mins before turning to a light rain. I was soaked from pushing through wet vegetation and stopped at Big Kahuna for a minute once the rain let up. Ran into Dallin and Alex coming up the trail. We watched as blue skies emerged and I decided to join them on a trip back up to the Divide and return to the TH on what turned out to be a gorgeous day in the Mazzies with some good company.
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Dry on Friday. Light flow on Saturday.

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Seemed to be a trickle. Plenty of pools to filter from.

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After an ...interesting... introduction to the Mazzies a month ago it seemed right to give the eastern side a try. After all, the eastern side sees more traffic and thusly would have better trails. Armed with lighter gear, new boots, and wide-eyed optimism I concocted a hair-brained plan to hike up the Divide, descend down Davenport, swing over to Deadman, and then do something Willow Springs or Wet Bottom. LOL.

Y-Bar Trail
This is a fantastic trail. It climbs steadily and easily and goes through a wide variety of flora. This was my first time on any eastern trail and my biggest issue was keeping my jaw from dropping with all the fantastic scenery. Trail was in good shape, only a few deadfall to step over, and I made it up to Windsor Spring in good spirits and good time. Even watered up at an unnamed spring above Y-Bar Tanks and successfully used the Sawyer Mini.

Mazatzal Divide (from Windsor to Horse Camp Seep)
A brief break at Windsor and I set down the divide trail in a half-trot. Passed a group of backpackers heading southbound and shared the water situation w/ them. They told me Barnhardt was overgrown (this was 2016, after all) and they had the cuts to prove it. After them I cruised past the Barnhardt junction, thankfully oblivious to the Brody Seep 'shortcut', and watered up at some tanks before Chilson.

It was about noon by now so I made a half-attempt at finding then eastern end of Davenport. Half because my heels were starting to hurt from the new boots and because the brush was thick. After wandering right into a giant anthill I called it and went back to pout at the picnic table. Then I went up to check on Chilson Spring and came away disappointed. Morning momentum was gone and afternoon frumps were setting in. I didn't want to bail so early so I meandered aimlessly down the Mazatzal Divide without a clear plan. Some portions were clear, some portions stabbed at my shins. A few of the Deadman tributaries had stale pools of water with bees circling around them. When I reached Horse Camp Seep I was drained. Plopped down next to the tanks and enjoyed a long lunch and lots of water. While I was resting an AZT thru-hiker came in and we had a good long chat about life.

Still optimistic, even with my heels starting to bleed, I decided to push on to Hopi Spring and maybe The Park. I could try to turn this into a Rock Creek Loop or maybe reverse direction from my original plan. Once I made it to Hopi, though, I was done. Checked out the water source, lamented the condition of Rock Creek Trail on the eastern slope, and balked at the climb left to The Park. Retreated to Horse Camp Seep to see two AZT thru-hikers instead of just one (is that how that works?) and then set up camp for the night.

Camp
This time I was armed with a lighter sleeping bag (Sea to Summit 50°F) and a mosquito net, plus an Eslit solid fuel stove. Saved some serious weight. Stove worked okay and the temps dropped well below 50. Ended up using a tarp as a blanket, which got me through the night just fine. Overall a better night than out by Club Cabin. Woke up with a sour gut and limped out with the sun rise.

Retreat down Barnhardt
Was tempted to check out Sandy Saddle and then wasn't when I saw the 'junction'. (Yes, I was bad at researching trail conditions in 2016. I'm slightly better now.) Trundled back past Chilson and had breakfast at the lovely giant tree W of Barnhardt Junction. Even saw some deer while I was sipping coffee, first ones I've seen in AZ. Then it was down Barnhardt. It was somewhat overgrown, not as bad as I expected, and the scenery was lovely. My heels were not. By the time I reached the trailhead my socks were half red.

And that was the last +5 mile hike I used Keen Targhees on.

Mazatzal Miles: 30.4/274 (11.1%)

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Barely dripping. Catch was mostly full of silt and mud.

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Large seep, overflowing and making some mud across AZT.

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Both the seep and creek had water flowing through the tanks.

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Running right across the trail.
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Barnhardt / Rock Creek Loop, AZ 
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I've done this loop a few times but never as a backpack so me, 9L, and Lily decided to go for it while the water and waterfalls are plentiful out there. This is definitely one of my favorite loops. We started up Barnhardt and quickly made it to Chilson Camp for lunch. Then we headed to Horse Camp Seep to set up camp. After a short rest, we backtracked to the north fork of deadman canyon falls. I headed back the same way with Lily and 9L decided to take Deadman Creek back to camp though he eventually got forced out and bushwacked along the west side.

We had a nice fire-- wood is plentiful. What we assumed was probably a maintenance crew left quite a few nice big logs cut there. 9L is a nice guy so we only burned one and left the rest for future campers.

We didn't really rush around the next morning and probably finally started hiking around 9:30ish. We forced our way up Rock Creek. There's very little sign of the trail on that side. We'd pick it up every now and then but mostly we just pushed through manzanita. I didn't make Lily wear her pack for this trip because I figured that would make this stretch near impossible for her. Closer to the saddle, the trail does become more obvious and then its pretty clear the whole rest of the hike. Whoever has been doing maintenance out there the last couple years is a god. We also ran into our only fellow hiker on Rock Creek who recognized Lily from HAZ-- nice to meet you, Roger.

We finally hit Half Moon which at this point was a bit more challenging than I remembered (even with Chumley's makeover)-- possibly because it was getting a little toasty and I was ready to be done. I was also breaking in a new pack which is much bigger than my normal one. Half Moon is actually pretty annoying-- up and down, in and out of drainages the entire way, successfully and unsuccessfully dodging cow pies. Lily was obviously getting tired and hot too but luckily water was flowing in a couple places the last mile or so and that really got her going.

Still lovin' those mazzies!
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Barnhardt / Rock Creek Loop, AZ 
Barnhardt / Rock Creek Loop, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Feb 26 2016
John9LTriplogs 1,647
Backpack21.20 Miles 4,872 AEG
Backpack21.20 Miles2 Days         
4,872 ft AEG
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I had some PTO to burn & Kyle was interested in spending an overnighter at Horse Camp Seep in the Mazatzal Wilderness. Everything came together quickly & we headed out Friday morning.

We arrived at the Barnhardt TH around 9am to an empty parking lot. We geared up & headed out. We cruised up the trail & took a short break at Big Kahuna. From there we made steady progress & continued north on the Divide Trail to Chilson Camp where we took our lunch. The camp has a water cache of at least ten gallons without a note or a date. After lunch we hiked the last few miles to Horse Camp Seep & settled in for the afternoon. We set up camp & then gathered additional firewood & then hiked over to the two waterfalls over Deadman Canyon. The falls were still flowing but were much lighter compared to last month when another HAZ group visited. We spent some time exploring the area & returned to camp for sunset. I brought a foil dinner loaded with steak, onions & potatoes. It was delicious cooked over the fire coals.

We woke on day two & took our time as we ate, filtered water & tore camp down. We started hiking around 9:30am & headed north on the Divide Trail & connected onto the Rock Creek Trail. We were prepared for heavy Manzanita & ongoing route finding issues. I constantly checked route scout for the preloaded route & this kept us pointed in the right direction. We eventually topped out & started our descent on the east side. The route is more discernible as we headed down. A few minutes later we saw a person hiking up. It turned out to be Haz member Mr14ner. It was good meeting you!

We continued down & had a few more sections with route finding issues but no significant issues. We eventually dropped into the drainage and admired the waterfalls that had a good flow coming over them. The rest of the descent flew by as there are obvious signs of trail clearing completed in the past year or so. We hit the Half Moon trail and continued on taking a few breaks to rest and giving time to Lily to drink water from the creek. We were back to the Barnhardt Trailhead around mid-afternoon.

This was a tough and rewarding hike! The Horse Camp Seep area is fantastic and I’m glad we stayed there for the night. The Rock Creek Trail has some tough sections but is fantastic overall! Thanks Kyle for organizing this one. The Mazzies never disappoint!
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