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May 05 2025
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Weavers Crosscut Loop, AZ 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
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Perfect cinco de drinco weather out there established a mandatory outdoor assessment of conditions. A couple of cars in the lot, two hikers on their last breaths as we started out, and not a sign of another soul the rest of the day. Cloudiness, a few sprinkles, a cool breeze, and temps flirting with 60.

Yesterday it had rained hard here, with evident erosion from recent surface flows. Some puddles remained in all the favored locations.
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Black Top Mesa from Peralta, AZ 
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fricknaleyTriplogs 4,124
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went out on peralta, then up and around black top mesa and back on terrapin and bluff springs. the entirety of bull pass is burnt as is most of the summit of black top mesa.

fantastic scenery the whole way. had great weather. didn't see anyone from fremont saddle until the parking lot. :)
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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Oh no. I thought I had posted a triplog for this hike already, but I must have forgotten to hit save. I'll try to remember what I wrote the first time around.

Continuing the annual tradition of hiking around Weaver's Needle for a fourth year. It was cold in the morning at the start, especially when the wind was blowing. The fleece hoodie wasn't keeping me warm, but as soon as we started going uphill I was plenty warm. Took the loop counterclockwise again like last time. The start on Bluff Springs Trail is a bitch. The giant stair steps kill my knees. But it's easier to do it going up when the legs are fresh than down when the legs are tired. Terrapin Trail was overgrown in places and a machete or hedge trimmer would have come in handy. But it was passable. It warmed up nicely when we got to Terrapin and I shed the hoodie and traded the knit cap for the wide brim hat. At the north end of the loop shed the long sleeve shirt for the rest of the hike. It was perfect hiking weather.

Very pleasant hiking without running into other people. Saw very few people on most of the trail until we got to Peralta Pass where it was very crowded. Passed by burned area on Peralta trail where I guess there was a fire last year. Always sad to see. But it was a fairly limited area at least it seemed that way from the trail. Also this is the driest I've seen this trail. No water at all in most of the streams, and even in Barks Canyon the rocks were only a little wet in places. Didn't see any critters despite the trail being empty. Of course this trail is so rocky that it's hard to look anywhere but down without tripping and slipping, so there might have been all kinds of animals that I never saw.

All in all a great day of hiking.
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Terrapin Trail #234Phoenix, AZ
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wallyfrackTriplogs 1,691
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A stroll out toward the Needle to look for a marker. I started just after 8:00am to nice temperatures and cloud cover. The weather was nice all day. Most of the hikers went up Peralta trail so I only saw a few on my way out but several on the way back on Bluff Spring trail. The trails are rocky as is usual. Terrapin trail is a bit overgrown but I didn't have any problem staying on it. I turned off at the cross cut trail and took a route up the wash and up a ridge toward Weavers Needle. I got close to the base of the Needle but ended up in a boulder field so decided to turn back save it for another day. A nice day in the Supes.
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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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adillingTriplogs 402
Hiking12.82 Miles 2,848 AEG
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Another trip around the needle.

I met up with Jason at his house in Gold Canyon and we arrived at Peralta TH a little before 7am. There were already quite a few cars in the lot. We opted for a CCW loop and started up cardiac hill.

Bluff Springs Trail is in good shape. Steep as always at the start. The grass was pretty high along Barks Canyon area. We made to the Terrapin/Bluff Springs junction just as the sun was starting to kiss the ridges.

Terrapin is in pretty good shape. The typical catclaw before the saddle was there, but I’ve seen it in worse shape. The hike up to the saddle is an up and down activity, but the hike down to the Dutchman is the reason we did this CCW. That’s a steep section best done with gravity as your friend.

We made it to the Peralta/Dutchman junction and took a little break before the long trudge up to the Fremont Saddle. The 1 mile section between Terrapin and Peralta was one of the few sections in the Western Supes Jason hasn’t hiked. So, he crossed that off.

The hike up Peralta was the same non-stop up and up. The Siphon fire made it to parts of the lower Peralta Trail. You could see the ugly brown scars starting from the ridgeline going down. It was the usual “mosaic” burn pattern. Some places roasted beyond life, right next to green trees and live cacti. As we got close to the needle, the fire damage subsided. But, it did come back as we got near Piper Springs. It didn’t seem to cross the trail at any point. Once we made it to the Pinon Camp area, all signs of the fire stopped.

Jason hiked down to check out Piper Springs. He saw a trickle flowing. That was literally the only water on this entire loop. Areas that usually had some water were all bone-dry. I cannot recall seeing this place so dry in December, ever.

We made it to the Fremont saddle and saw 3-4 groups. Some out at the Lone Pine and some at the saddle. We came across some others going up and down from the saddle. I am wondering where all of the people that were parked at the TH were hiding as we saw nobody along the loop except for 1 solo hiker near the Peralta/Dutchman junction doing the same loop clockwise.

Always a treat to hit this one as the needle looks like a different formation from each side. The elevation is also broken up nicely which makes the +2800 ft aeg seem more manageable. I hope we get some rains soon. It is TOO dry out there.
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Dec 21 2024
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Bluff Springs Trail #235Phoenix, AZ
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VashtiTriplogs 276
Hiking9.75 Miles 2,253 AEG
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Beautiful day to be out hiking!! So glad to try a new trail! I've never been on crosscut, so decided to try it today. So glad to have read the @DarthStiller triplog saying that the official route is not accurate for the descent to Peralta. I used the mentioned route from @adilling, and it was perfect! Thank you! 😁 The crosscut trail was super easy to find and is well defined the entire length from terrapin to Peralta. Follow the cairns when descending to Peralta and also use @adilling route.

Parking lot was almost full on arrival to Peralta Trailhead. We headed out and saw no one on bluff spring, terrapin, or the crosscut. We saw our first people on Peralta right at the crosscut junction. We saw 2 more single hikers on Peralta before Fremont saddle. After a snack, we headed down on cave and saw 2 more people at devil's slide. They were having trouble finding a way up. They watched us come down, but after a while, they gave up and turned around. :(

Beautiful day for a hike if a bit hot for a December day! 😁😁😁
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Weavers Needle Crosscut, AZ 
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DesertNymphTriplogs 82
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A fantastic loop with gorgeous views of this area of the superstitions. Few other hikers encountered - a large bonus given how full the parking lot was and the number of vehicles in the "caravan" out Peralta Road on our way out.

It has been decades since I've hiked in the superstitions, and it's nice to be reacquainting myself with the area. Many years ago, I'd hiked the full loop around Weaver's Needle - the Crosscut makes for a shorter day, and gains some up close views of the rocky wonderland at the base of Weaver's Needle. Weaver's Crosscut was surprisingly easy to follow - we followed the obvious path, which deviated from the pre-downloaded route (I downloaded from another app/site). Cave Trail was harder to follow in some areas (especially post the Devil's Slide feature) where it traveled on areas of rock escarpments. I admit I would not have anticipated the Devil's Slide was a part of the route if not for my hiking partner, who had hiked the trail previously. If hiking on the weekend and looking to escape the traffic on Peralta, Cave was a welcome alternate route though certainly not for everyone given the need for route finding and navigating the Devil's Slide feature.
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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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joebartelsTriplogs 5,894
Hiking13.39 Miles 2,882 AEG
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With the standard wave of pseudo backpackers, powered by corporate apps empowering give-me, I had a 20+ mi loop to report on two lesser reported and one of the never-shared water sources. Then figured it was best to ease back into bigger hikes.

The road all the way to the Overflow / Horse Trailer / Bus lot is super smooth now.

Elected to go against the grain and do this hike clockwise as we always hit it CCW. The hike up to Fremont Saddle was better than anticipated, it usually seems to drag as the end of the hike heading down.

The only hiker we passed all day was on the flip side past Fremont. A female backpacker in flip-flops. She said it was warmer last night than the night before, after Bruce asked. Later saw two hikers in the distance and that was it all day.

Anticipated the Siphon burn heading down. Finally entered one pocket. Albeit burned, seemed kinna trivial surrounded by world-class geology that entertains the eye more than chaparral.

Piper was the only spring on the day to check out. The lid is jammed unless you're stronger or you BYO crowbar. It's still at least 3 to 4 ft deep as it has been for eons. Satisfied, but give-me without contributing back for the next guy idiots still bring out the second half of the fourth verse in Get in the Ring... Lol

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Bruce mentioned earlier(cried like a 2-year-old), and at this point, I'd have to agree with him... it's a touch warm for December 19th. Hopefully, Linda is safe from the wrath of the sun.

Dead grass along most of the hike but it is especially thick heading up Terrapin. If not throughout to Bluff Spring Trail.

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Great little loop without the drive. Still didn't care for the last mile and a half but the morning hike up to Fremont was a total winner.

Siphon Fire results on this hike were minimal. Hikes originating at First Water TH have never been high on my list. It'll green up in 2 years, then another inevitable grass fire will torch the lunatic fringe.

The parking lot was a fourth full when we finished but we didn't see the people. Wave Cave シ was packing 'em in.


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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Still 3 feet deep or more. Plenty of water for a large group. The metal lid is jammed so you only see a tiny amount. The stick test confirmed the same deep results as always.
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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,762
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40s and windy to start the day. Temperatures rose to the low 80s, and the wind mostly died down as the day went on.

Joe planned a clockwise loop around Weavers Needle using Peralta → Dutchman → Terrapin → Bluff Springs.

Peralta Trail #102
The trail was in mostly good condition, typical of the Superstitions. This was the only trail of the day that showed evidence of burn from the Siphon Fire. The burn was minimal, and if we get any winter or spring rains, it will likely be mostly covered up. We spent some time checking out Piper Spring. There's plenty of water there, but it takes some effort to remove the two lids and collect it.

We passed one female backpacker heading out after spending a few nights in the wilderness.

Dutchman Trail #104
We were on the Dutchman Trail for a bit before making our way to the Terrapin Trail. No evidence of fire damage anywhere along this section.

Terrapin Trail #234
We climbed up the Terrapin Trail a bit, looking for shade, and stopped for lunch. While eating, we spotted a couple of backpackers below on the Dutchman. After lunch, we continued the climb, gaining two saddles five or six times. This was the warmest part of the day. Once again, no fire scars were visible.

Bluff Springs Trail #235
The section of Terrapin leading up to this trail can be thin at times. By this point, we were on the home stretch. We passed our last hiker of the day as he completed Cardiac Hill.

It felt great to get back out to the Superstitions. From what we saw today, the minimal fire scars wouldn't deter us from hiking in this area again.
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Hard to find the actual water. Located under a 2'x 2' sheet of metal and then under another cover. The pool there is at least 2' deep.
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Weaver's Needle CrosscutPhoenix, AZ
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I've never hiked the Weaver's crosscut before, mainly because I thought it was a bushwhack with no trail. Turns out there is a trail and it's pretty easy to follow. The views along there are also really nice.

I did the loop counterclockwise from the Peralta TH, heading up Bluff Springs Trail in the dark. Looking back I could see the stream of headlights along Peralta Road with the hordes heading in. The first sunlight that hit me was on the Terrapin Trail, soon after I saw a deer up ahead on the trail.

The junction with the crosscut and Terrapin is marked pretty well with a cairn and the trail is very well defined. The little hidden valley along that trail reminds me of the hidden valley in South Mountain. It was really cool to get new views of Weaver's Needle, not to mention the closest views I've ever had.

I downloaded 3 tracks that were posted, and the were all nearly identical. The last section heading down to the Peralta Trail, I started to follow the trail I was on, but I noticed that it was going off track, heading north, and going downhill fast. I didn't want to overcommit if I had to bail with a big climb back up, so I followed the track(s). That descent has no trail whatsoever, and it's a pretty rough bushwhack. There was a group of people at the junction of the crosscut and Peralta, two of which were heading up a trail. When I talked to the other 3 who sat and waited on Peralta, they told me those other 2 hikers were headed up the crosscut, so I'm thinking I should have stayed on that trail. Another reason to head back and do this again one day.

The hike back was the usual. There was a huge group of very loud tourists at Freemont Saddle posing for pictures and making a huge racket. Definitely in violation of the 15 person group limit. The traffic on Peralta after that was a pain. I was the fastest hiker of everyone going in my direction, which I'm not used to.

There was a volunteer at the trailhead greeting everyone and giving info. I told on the illegal group of tourists, at which point he emphasized his volunteer status. Still a really nice hike, perfect weather.
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I hadn't hiked in the Superstitions in almost nine months, and though these were all familiar trails, I'd never hiked this specific loop before, and it looked like a solid higher-mileage option. We started from Peralta at ~7AM, and the usual weekend crowds were starting to fill the lot as we packed up. TboneKathy didn't want to go down Cardiac Hill at the end of the loop, so we hiked it clockwise and went up Bluff Springs at the beginning and got that out of the way, with nice sunrise views as we gained elevation. We connected with Terrapin, and I'd never hiked up and over Terrain Pass--great views looking out toward the Goldfields, Black Mesa, Battleship, Malapais, etc. on the way down.

Once we hit Dutchman, we started to get our first looks at the Siphon Fire damage around the Bull Pass/Cavalry intersections. That area was hit hard and was burned to a crisp over to White Rock Spring and a little beyond...sad to see the current state of that once-green area. But the burn scar ended a little farther south, and we detoured off the loop to eat lunch at Charlebois. Two backpackers were bushwhacking their way to the spring and were happy to see us pass and learn there was an easy trail...but then they were right behind us, and we didn't have the lunch spot to ourselves.

We continued to see occasional hikers and backpackers as we continued south on Dutchman, and we saw two people coming down from Miner's Summit as we approached the Whiskey Spring intersection. TboneKathy continued on Dutchman, and I detoured up to the summit for a quick look around. Only one other entry in the register from last February since I was up there about a year ago, so the two who were up there today didn't sign it. The afternoon was mostly cloudy, but the sun broke free briefly while I was at the top.

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I headed down and caught up to TBK, and we finished off the loop a little before 5PM. We saw a total of ~10-15 people over the course of the day, but not much unique wildlife--just a cardinal and a tiny garter snake. Overall, a pleasant loop with no real surprises, just a nice day out in the Superstitions. No surprise that it's very dry out there right now--other than the pool at Charlebois, we didn't see any other water all day.



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Weaver's Needle CrosscutPhoenix, AZ
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Needing to check the Crosscut trail off my 'list' Andy put this loop together going CCW. Got to the Peralta TH just after 5:30am with only a couple of cars in the parking lot and none in the Wave Cave lot. I guess its too hot for the TicToker's :lol:. Started up my always favorite Cardiac Hill and made our way down to Barks Canyon. There were a couple of smaller pools there and that would be the only water we would see all day, everything else was dried up. I have never seen so much grass in Barks. The Foxtails and Buffel grass at times were chest high and without gaiters, were a real pain for my shoes and socks. We headed up Terrapin and made the turn up to the first saddle on the Crosscut. While a little rocky and steep this section of the trail was in great shape and easy to follow. Once in the canyon past the first saddle the trail became hit and miss with the grass hiding a good amount of it. Once at the top of the second saddle we took a break which gave me a chance to clean the foxtails out of my shoes and socks. Once past the second saddle, it was steep and slippery but carins directed us down to East Boulder Canyon. We came upon our first person of the day as we neared the Peralta Trail junction. A solo hiker looking for a way to get closer to Weavers Needle. We directed her to the carins marking the way up for the climbers and she continued on. Once we were in East Boulder Canyon the winds picked up which made for a nicer climb up to Freemont Saddle. The hike from the saddle was long and hot, it seemed to drag on for forever. Saw a couple of people up on the saddle and a couple others coming up but the crowd was much thinner with the hotter temps. Thanks Andy for the invite to this one.
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Weaver's Needle CrosscutPhoenix, AZ
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Jason needed to knock out the Weavers Needle Crosscut trail to finish up his quest for hiking every trail in the wilderness. This was one of the last ones.

I have done this 2x prior, the first time coming from Peralta and going over the hump over to Terrapin. The second time, after remembering the nasty climb up from the other direction, I wisely opted to do the Terrapin to Peralta route. When Jason asked to do this one, counterclockwise was the way to go.

We started right about sunrise and headed up Bluff Springs. The temps were very pleasant, but there was a little humidity. The usual huffing and puffing up cardiac hill and then down towards Barks Creek/canyon. The trail was a little overgrown and when we made it to Barks Creek, the tall grass was insane. This area was roasted in the fires and the grass has returned with a vengeance. There was a bunch of brittlebush blooming all along the hillsides and over towards Bluff Springs Mountain.

Terrapin was surprisingly less overgrown, but tons of grass as well. We made it to the Crosscut junction and started up the first little saddle. The path is getting clearer and clearer. I love the view of the Needle from the east side of this trail. You get the entire peak, from base to top from the little valley that you cross before you climb up to the last notch/saddle.

The trail started getting less clear, but still a trail. We made it up to the 2nd saddle and started down. We took a little break and pulled as many of the foxtails out of our socks as we could. It was Grass-a-palooza up along this one as well. The hike down to Peralta was as steep as I remember. It was cairned and the trail was kinda-sorta easy to follow.

We came across a lone hiker looking for the trail to Weavers Needle just before we made it to the Peralta junction. She didn’t look like a climber and we pointed her in the direction of the base trail. We saw her later coming down Peralta trail near the trailhead. Apparently, she gave up and just hiked back up Peralta. We also encountered a couple of other hikers near the saddle.

By the time we made it to the Fremont saddle and had a little break, the cool air of the morning had given way to sunny and hot. The hike down Peralta was the usual Stairmaster. Lots of brittlebush and orange globemallows. There was a trickle of hikers going up and few coming down along the way. The hiking season in the western Supes is surely slowing down.

This was the first “rough” hike I have attempted since injuring my Achilles a few months ago. I was really slow going up and not very fast going down. But, in spite of a little tightness, it did ok. No serious pains later in the day or this morning as I type up this triplog. Just in time for the 100’s down here in the valley.

A nice loop and a great day out in the Superstitions.
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Day 1 of backpack to Charlebois spring area. Cloudy weather during bluff springs and terrapin gave way to hot and sunny on dutchman. Huge pool of water right off of Dutchman near bull pass trail.

Set up camp just before path to Charlebois spring, south of the wash (or river in today's case!). Given our Saturday arrival, all the camping spots near the spring were taken. About 6 tents. We looked around for the master map, but no luck! Will look again next time! The water in the spring trough looked disgusting. I didn't go all the way up to the spring as we didn't want to tromp through everyone's campsites, but they mentioned there was a big pool up there. We filtered water that was flowing through La Barge Canyon. There was so much water in the canyon!

Some light drizzle started right at sunset. A harbinger of the massive rain and wind to come later at night.

The charlebois spring area is glorious! So great to spend a night there. ❤️
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Bluff Terrapin Peralta, AZ 
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On our second day we headed to the Peralta Trail Head to do the Weavers Needle Loop, Bluff Spring, Terrapin, Dutchman and Peralta. This would be the hardest hike Ginny has been on and I was a little worried that if there was any issues there is no viable escape route, once you commit it’s all the way. Started out on the Bluff Spring Trail and it’s a good start because it gets you heart beating right from the start. This is also a beautiful trail overlooking Barkley Basin in the morning. There was a light flow/trickle of water in places in Barks Canyon. The Terrapin trail was a little harder than I remember, forgot about the climb you do to get out of the drainage to Barks Canyon and the Terrapin Saddle. 3 people on horseback passed us on the way up to the Saddle. Saw 2 other people coming up the other way. Water in pools along this trail. The Dutchman trail to Peralta was uneventful other than the 3 people on horseback passed us again; they took a lunch break at Terrapin Saddle. We took our lunch break at the junction of the Dutchman and Peralta trails. Six to seven miles left and it was 2:00, I figured Fremont Saddle by 4:00- 4:30 and Peralta Trailhead at sunset. Great time of day to be passing by Weavers needle as the sun is getting lower in the west. Probably the best views of Weavers Needle. We may have made it to Fremont Saddle sooner had we not stopped to take so many pictures. There were a couple people on the trail that were going to camp at a spring on the west side of Weavers. We arrived at the Saddle at 4:45, took a short break and back at the Peralta Trail Head at sunset, 6:30.
Great weather for hiking, We didn’t start until 8:30 which I thought was a bit late but in the end I think it was perfect to be able to catch the colors of sunset. Good showing of flowers but I don't believe the peak. Water in most creeks although usually just in pools.

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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Wanted to test the knee out more. Have not done this loop in a very long time. I went ccw this time. Majestic views all day and nearly perfect weather made for a truly ideal day. Being able to come up here on a weekday makes everything that much better.
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Superstition jaunt, AZ 
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I haven't been able to really get in more than an overnight backpacking trip so far this season but finally had the chance last week, from Wednesday to Saturday. Since it was the first (and perhaps only) longer trip of the season, I figured I'd just do a nice little tour de western supes to enjoy all the running water, 3 nights/4 days. I started at Peralta and went clockwise, Dutchman -> Coffee Flat -> Side Trip down Randolph Canyon -> Red Tanks -> Dutchman -> Cavalry -> Boulder -> Terrapin -> Bluff, roughly 33 miles, with the plan to do 6 or 7 the first day and 12 or so on days 2 and 3 leaving a short hike out on day 4.

The road in was fine but I did notice way more campers/RVs/etc than previous years. Like, massive amounts more and there are a couple areas where forest service/county/someone has dropped some porta potties. I know there was a race this past weekend so maybe some of it was related to that but looks more like a lot of long termers. Was generally just surprised by the difference in numbers this year compared to previous.

As expected, all the creeks were running great, meaning I never carried more than my 700ml water bottle. I was able to rock hop and keep my feet dry at most crossings but this is basically impossible on some of the crossings of La Barge on the red tanks section and definitely impossible on the section of trail between reeds water and dripping spring but I had brought an extra pair of socks and sandals to wear at camp so no problem there. The days were in the high 60s/low 70s which was a bit warmer than I would've liked due to the lack of shade, but nothing bad. Nights were low/mid-30s which was fantastic.

Most of these trails are well used so the conditions are just fine and able to make great time on without any fuss. The only exception is the stretch of Red Tanks from the Randoph canyon junction to whiskey spring. There were several spots where I ended up off trail and had a very tough time filled with many bloody cuts finding it again. Also very overgrown in many places; in this section, I think I barely averaged 1 mph. I was on this trail 14-18 months ago and don't remember it being near this bad but now I need a new shirt and shorts.

The drive out was uneventful except for one lady on a bike raising her fists and screaming at me on Peralta. It seems obvious to me that if you're slowly riding a bike on the wrong side of a dirt road, a car will pass you at some point, so not entirely sure what she was angry about but that's people for ya.
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Charlebois from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Beautiful day for a hike! Arrived at TH at 735a to a half empty lot and 35F. Lots of frost and some ice skimming the top of shaded pools at this hour of the day. We were doing this loop clockwise to avoid having to do the steep up on terrapin later in the hike, and instead have the gradual up on Dutchman and Bluff springs. I haven't been on terrapin in quite some time. Overall, I thought it was very easy to follow. Probably the most confusing part of the whole trail was the initial uphill on terrapin right off of bluff springs. That being said, it was not too bad and there were a few cairns to help, too. Terrapin is a beautiful trail, and I love the solitude. Up until this point, we had seen a couple of guys on cardiac hill, and then a couple of women on terrapin that said they do this every week before brunch. :) Shortly we came upon the junction with the crosscut trail. That trail is much more defined and used than the terrapin trail that continues on. There is also a enormous cairn. Just in case you didn't know where you are going, I guess? It's really big. Continuing on, we enjoyed the views from Terrapin pass, and soon we arrived at the junction hanging a right towards Charlebois.

This section of the loop I have never been on before (yippee!), so I was very excited. The first section right after the junction is very brushy, and we felt like we were in the jungle. :). It was glorious. The trail was still easy to follow, and the trail is surrounded by vegetation for a short while. There are a few campsites in this area. Heading onwards, the brush subsides, and the canyon opens up. So very beautiful in this area! Pure superstition magic at is best! ❤️😁 We enjoyed the electric green of the lichen on the cliff rock face to the east. In this area there is a 10 foot section of trail that goes next to an overhanging rock which is striking. Shortly we arrived at the Bull pass junction where we met a trio of women on a day hike from their camp near charlebois Springs. They were going in the opposite direction, so after a quick hello we headed on. We passed cavalry junction, and continued down the valley passing a multitude of campsites, some very large, and all with gigantic fire rings.

The valley in this area is so beautiful. There is a small section of trail that goes up higher on the canyon wall so that you are looking down on the canyon below before before you head back onto the flat of the valley again. More campsites everywhere. We met a very large group of young backpackers who appeared to just have broken camp, and they were assembled on either side of the trail getting ready to head out. There were probably 20 or so of them (!). As we headed towards them, they moved off the trail slightly to give us room to pass, and then they decided to do a human tunnel in kids sports fashion, complete with hooting and hollering! 🤣🤣🤣🤣Absolutely hilarious! 🤣🤣 I can honestly say that this is a unique and new wilderness experience for me! I have never once gone through a human tunnel in the wilderness. It was nice to see smiling young people enjoying the wilderness and in such good spirits! 😁.

Continuing on, we were shortly at the canyon where charlebois springs is, though we didn't realize it. There is no real obvious trail that we saw leading up to it, but to be fair we weren't really looking. I thought it would be evident, but we walked right by. When we hit the Peters trail junction, we knew we had walked right by the springs spur. We decided not to go back as this hike is a long one (for me anyway, I see some people hike 25 miles in a day, but I do not. 🙂🙃). Instead, we took a break at the high point just past the junction and had a quick snack. And then we were off again onward from the halfway point of our hike.

This section of trail on either side of music canyon has some areas where the trail gets lost for a few feet here and there, especially when crossing the wash. This being said, the trail itself is larger and well defined, you just have to take a quick look around to make sure you are on it. :) This area is beautiful with large cottonwoods. As you approach from the junction you can see several large cottonwoods in the canyon. They were a glorious gold color. The trail goes through a short section that is actually very wooded and enclosed which is glorious. :) In short order, we were at the red tanks junction and back on trail familiar to me.

We cruised along passing the bluff spring area. I should mention that up until this point, there were lots of pools of standing water here and there, and the ground was often wet though not so much to be truly muddy.

We came to the bluff spring/Dutchman junction, and headed west into the bluff spring canyon area. This area along the canyon was truly beautiful with running water (just a trickle really, but enough to make a beautiful sound) and lots of pools. At this point we started seeing people again after seeing no one since the cheering tunnel. Saw the same group of 3 women backpackers from the bull pen junction continuing their loop along with another trio of backpackers just starting out. Soon enough we passed the terrapin junction, and we were on the home stretch! 😊

Pretty uneventful at this point. Starting seeing a few more people here and there. We passed the cave trail junction which is well defined. On this entire loop every official trail junction was signed. The only two junctions not signed are cave and weavers crosscut.

We continued on, made it down cardiac hill, and back to the Trailhead. Another successful hike on the books! What a great way to spend a day! ❤️❤️😊😁 I love being in the more remote areas of the supes.

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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Weekly trail patrol with fellow volunteer Dave, though it's been almost three weeks since we last hiked.

0830ish start. We hiked the loop in the CCW direction.The recent rain has helped, though we could use another round or three before the creeks start filling up. That said, we found some decent pools through most of the hike.

Bluff Springs Trail has been recently trimmed up to the Cave Trail junction. It's a little brushy as you approach Barks Canyon (nothing prickly), but in good shape all the way to Terrapin.

Terrapin is in good shape overall. There are a few loose, rocky spots where you might need to tread carefully. Occasional catclaw will grab you if you're not paying attention. Otherwise, it was smooth sailing all the way to Dutchman. Surprisingly, we noted several nice pools along the way, something rarely seen on this trail (last winter/spring notwithstanding). If you're looking to camp on Terrapin, there is a nice spot near the creek about a quarter mile south of Dutchman. You can filter along the way or draw from the creek.

The short crossover on Dutchman is in decent shape. Not too brushy and nothing prickly. We stopped for lunch at the high point half way across. I saw a faint trail heading up the hill south of us. I found a nice camp site there with a fire ring and stellar views all around. It looked like the trail continued west before bending around east north of Weaver's Needle. I wonder where that goes. I'll have to check that out sometime.

We continued north on Dutchman past the junction with Peralta about 150 yards to check on water near the Weaver's View, or lunch rock as I like to call it. There are several deep pools there to filter water.

The Peralta Trail is in good shape all the way back to the TH. Most of the elevation gain on this loop is along this stretch, but there are also some great views to be had if you stop and take a look around every now and then. We needed to, of course :) . There is no water in the creek at the camp site just north of Weaver's Needle. There are several nice pools at the Pinon Camp farther up the trail. Not the most scenic place to camp after the fire (the Pinon Pines were all crisped and the area is covered with the ugly grass now prevalent), but there are nice camp sites and plenty of water.

We stopped for our last break at Fremont Saddle before heading down. The constant chatter we had throughout the hike turned to strict focus on the descent, lest we trip and fall. Never a good way to end a hike.

Long, enjoyable hike. The weather was perfect for it. Warmer than we thought at the start, no warmer than high 50's all day and sunny throughout the hike.

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Several nice pools in Barks Canyon where the trail crosses the creek. A few more in the slick rock canyon past the junction with Upper Barks trail. More than enough to filter if you're heading out this weekend and want to lighten your water load going up Cardiac Hill.

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Several nice pools at Weaver's View/Lunch Rock. Plenty of water to filter.

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Several nice pools at Pinon Camp.

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Small pools in isolated spots, not enough to filter.


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Nothing near the camp site. We noted a couple of nice pools far down the steep ravine south of the camp site, but it would be difficult to get down and back out.
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Squaw Canyon and Black Mtn (3707)Phoenix, AZ
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Black Mountain 3707 summit lollipop with Shelly. The days are short so planned darkness to darkness and it was. I really enjoyed this 22+ mile trip, but clowned around too much to make decent time. Our route was to be counter clockwise Bluff Spring 235, Dutchman 104, Peters 105, Summit, Squaw Canyon, Cavalry 239, Terrapin 234, and Bluff Spring back.

The temps were forecasted in the 50s to 70s, which they were. From Peralta we began to a half full lot before dawn. There were nice clouds in the am that burned off by the pm. We were passing through Barks and sunrise and continued with a few side trips. My err in judgement was to take the sides forgetting we’d be pressed for time. I got lost in the moment and didn’t get my partner back on time.

There were still a few isolated pools from rain 2 weeks ago. There were four backpacking/camping groups in Bluff Spring area including a family of over a dozen. Side one was up to Bluff Spring. It was odd to me that some of the backpackers were unaware that there was even a spring there. Bluff is returning to nature, more overgrown than before but still trickles a quart a minute.

Side two La Barge is near fall colors with some change but about a month away from prime. The spring itself is vastly overgrown with rubus. Not sure which variety blackberry, raspberry, or? but no telling where it will stop. I remember standing on the box not that long ago, now completely buried. It is flowing strong at a gallon+ a minute. There were multiple campers there as well.

Side three to Charlebois. We saw the first hiker of the day on Peters 105 heading up to the summit. I scored a small personal victory by finding and removing I believe the last red spray painted cairn on the long trail. Up top the upper plateau is timeless and familiar. We crossed it and made way up to the Summit. Black Mountain 3707 register was still there in small jar but Shelly brought a nice glow in the dark waterproof box just in case. We had a snack and off before we knew it. We were behind schedule as we crossed for Squaw Canyon. I’ve never liked going up that canyon so chose the route down specifically. One more side trip and then the tortuous drop down to the Cavalry Trail. I’m not sure that I’ll ever take that route again. I’m fairly certain that fire, scree and rockfall have removed anything that would be considered a trail. The loose slope meant I spent more time falling on my backside than anything else I can remember. We connected to an old horse trail as we got lower in the canyon.

The trail route back was uneventful with several small stops to reenergize before reaching a dark Peralta. I love this time of year and any chance to hike the Superstition Mountains. It's so much prettier with water but we have not been blessed this season. My companion was a rock star. The shorter days make long day hikes like this problematic but worth it.
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Overrun with rubus but spring was strong as always.

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