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Superstition 4x Summit Super Loop, AZ 
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I hadn't done a long hike in a few months, and since Joe hasn't planned anything crazy recently, I decided to get out for a longer hike in the Superstitions. I chose an old @LJW route that I'd my eye on for a few years that covered 25+ miles and hit four summits (Bluff Spring Mountain, Miner's Summit, Picacho Butte, and Coffee Flat 4621), with ~ 40% of the miles off-trail. Picacho and Coffee Flat were new ones for me and were the main attractions.

Peralta TH to Bluff Spring Mtn Summit
I packed 3.5+ liters of water, a purifier, and extra gear for a long day and set out from Peralta by flashlight just before 6AM. I carried the bear spray in case there were any lingering rabid bobcats or thirsty cougars still prowling the Peralta area after the recent closure. I covered the first few miles in the dark, with stars overhead and a comfortable temps, and the sky was just starting to lighten as I reached the Terrapin intersection. I left the trail west of Bluff Spring Mountain and took a direct route up to the summit, arriving just before 8AM with beautiful views of the sunrise lighting up Weaver's Needle and the Goldfields. [ youtube video ]

Bluff Spring Mtn to Miner's Summit
From the summit, I hiked SE across the mountain and descended on Ely-Anderson, my first time on that trail. Steep, but fairly well cairned and not too tough to follow. I connected with Dutchman and left the trail after a short distance to hike up the N/NE side of Miner's Summit, a 'miner' bump on the route relative to the terrain ahead. I was on summit #2 just after 9AM and took another short break on top, with Coffee Flat Mountain looming to the east. [ youtube video ]

Miner's Summit to Picacho Butte
Coming down from Miner's Summit, I saw two guys at the saddle below, the first people I'd seen all day. They continued east on Whiskey Spring, and I passed them before leaving the trail and to start up the ridge past the Circle benchmark toward Coffee Flat. Views were fantastic from the ridge, and the route looked straightforward, though the final approach is deceptive from a distance with 4621 hidden behind a false summit.

I generally stayed west of the rock outcroppings along the ridge, and there were two steep uphill stretches. The toughest part was skirting around the west side of 4562, the false summit that's visible from a distance--that involved a lot of side-hilling on a very steep grade that slowed the pace, but I dropped down to a ridge leading to Picacho Butte. The were a couple small false summits along the way, and the high point is a little north of 4294 label on the map, but the views were great. I was on summit #3 at ~11:20AM, and it was very cool to finally be up there after seeing Picacho from below so many times over the years.

Picacho Butte to Coffee Flat Mtn 4621
I ended up improvising on the route to 4621--the route I was following went back the way I came and would've followed the rugged ridgeline that runs SW of the summit. It looked like that would require more aggressive side-hilling around some large rock formations, so I decided to try a more direct route at 4621, first dropping down into a drainage west of the peak...that added some elevation but looked easier and more efficient than another round of side-hilling. I found a spot to scramble down into the drainage and exit the other side...the climb was steep but worked well, and I was on top of Coffee Flat about an hour after leaving Picacho. Once again, great views in all directions with 4621 being one of the highest peaks in that vicinity. [ youtube video ]

Coffee Flat Mtn 4621 to Red Tanks Divide
I dropped down the SE side of the summit, which was steeper than I expected. There were a couple of especially steep, rocky scrambles going down, first leaving the summit and another farther down as I dropped into one of the drainages, which had some small pools and trickling water. The route eventually leveled off and wasn't too brushy on the way to Red Tanks Divide.

Red Tanks Divide to Peralta TH
Finally back on trail with ~11 miles to go, I stopped and filtered water at a nice pool south of the divide. Red Tanks Trail was easy to follow and not nearly as overgrown as I expected, so the miles passed quickly. I'd never hiked that section of Red Tanks and was pleasantly surprised by the scenery approaching Dripping Spring--flowing water, flowers, beautiful cliffs, and some fall color. I crossed paths with two people camped near the spring, and one of their dogs enjoyed following me and barking...I wondered for a while if he planned to stick with me all the way back to Peralta :). The impressive scenery continued along Coffee Flat Trail, and I stopped by Reeds Water before continuing onto Dutchman in late afternoon shadows and finishing off the loop a little after 5PM.

Summary
Fantastic loop, and one of the most memorable Superstition hikes I've done. I saw four people and two deer all day and covered a lot of ground...great sunrise and scenery, perfect weather, explored some new territory and visited two new peaks, and didn't pick up too many scratches. Good day all around :).

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Didn’t get a good look because people camped nearby but creek had light flow...presumably, the spring was dripping

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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Wally and I got started around 6:15 from the Peralta TH in the dark. Just past the 1 mile mark we didn't need headlamps anymore and soon after the daylight was upon us. We got to Freemont Saddle before seeing other hikers, but I could a group catching up to us. Once we were on the other side of the saddle we were back in the shade and the hikers weren't on our heels anymore. Near Freemont Saddle there were several spots with ice on the trail, either from frozen puddles or the trickling water across the trail that froze.

The Peralta Trail is nearly half this hike, which I forgot. I've done this twice before and it's been at or over a decade between each time, so my memory fades with age. Along Peralta near the camps the hikers caught up with us again, but they were actually climbers, and soon got off the trail and headed up to summit Weaver's Needle. Saw a few more hikers along Peralta before making the turn onto LDT and heading up another hill.

At the junction of LDT and Terrapin we took lunch. The hike up Terrapin in this direction is mostly uphill, with a couple valleys to walk through. The first climb to Terrapin Pass is the worst, steep with loose rock. After that, the uphills are a shallow slope and solid footing, which I don't mind. Along this trail I heard a yell, which I think was the climbers as they summitted Weaver's Needle. At first I thought it might a bird or an animal, but when I looked at the summit, I spotted a sun reflection off of a camera or phone or something, so I knew the climbers were there. I called out to Wally and he spotted them too. I managed to get a couple decent shots of them for as far away as we were.

The downhill parts of the hike after Bluff Saddle were as bad the uphill parts, or worse. Part of getting older. None of it was that bad, it's just that uphill isn't as bad anymore for me, and downhill hurts the joints and feet. Talked to a hiker who passed us who had just flown in from Pittsburgh and was in for the weekend.

got back to the TH after 2:30, making for over 8 hours for the day. I remember this hike taking that long 13 years ago, it didn't take too much more time this many years later, which is good. Temps were very cool the entire time, which helped pay off the gamble I made to pack less water.
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I had not hiked this loop in a while so when Chris told ne was hiking it I was in. The hike up Peralta to Fremont Saddle was the usual grind but it kept us warm in the early morning cool. There was some wind near the saddle but that came and went all day.
The trail is easy to follow but there is some overgrowth due to the wet fall. With the early start up Peralta we didn't see a lot other other hikers until we were back to the Cave trail. The temps stayed moderate all day and this made for a good workout.
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Superstitions Cave/Terrapin/Bluff Loop, AZ 
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update: I don't bother with recording GPX tracks, I just make waypoint notes as digital cairns, but here's a radiacode recording (incomplete, I forget to turn it on at times after breaks or whatever, not used to it): https://map.radiaverse.com/tracks/c6db6 ... -111.35492

An afternoon start to one night trip - mostly because we hadn't been backpacking in around two months vs just making it a dayhike. Drycamped off the cave trail with great views and enjoyed it quite a lot.

The cave trail is easy to follow once you hit the spur that comes up from Peralta - LOTS of people heading to the viewpoint. I assume that segment is on alltrails? Fainter before that with some routefinding needed up from the bluff trail (no sign) and some steep class 2 heading up to the ridge with the "cave" in it (more of an alcove). We ended up offroute a few times, but enjoyed our detours, stumbling across an alcove someone had camped in (modern) and finding some cairned game trails.

The trail E of weaver's needle is a strong single track use trail in places, non-existent in a few spots, somewhat cairned. We started off too far N and ended up taking a harder route in to the main saddle, but passed some nice pillars. Overall this and the cave trail were the most enjoyable areas, though some spots south of the Terrapin trail and Barks canyon looked neat too.

We enjoyed the mix of geology - sort of a bit of white canyon, JT, and the ancha rolled into one and will be back to poke around more later. Overall a more interesting overall area of the supes than the spots I was in before, which tended to have highlights but less overall interesting terrain.

Tons of water - the ridge of the cave trail had some trickles and small pools but wasn't as good as I thought it might be. We packed in a little extra water to keep things simple since packs were light. Dropping from Fremont Saddle a lot of side creeks were flowing, and obvious drainages had flowing water in them which often seemed a bit better quality than the main creeks.

A shorter but more interesting version of what I assume the "Big Weaver's Needle Loop" is. Someone doing that kept arguing with me that I needed to do the PCT lol.

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Solo return trip to finish hauling out the remaining tat and upgrade the anchors. Now if any skilled enough climbers complete any of the challenging east side routes, there are rap stations for a quick descent back to the base. Skipped summiting this time but for reentry, reexplored Nine Turtle Stack and [ Terrapin Throne - Peak 3826 ] .
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It's been a tough week for me personally, after learning on Tuesday that I had been laid off. One positive from that is I could hike more and possibly hit my personal goal for the year. I've done this loop multiple times, and after seeing Joe and The Eagle do this loop last week, I thought it would be good to hit it up again. S and I arrive at Peralta TH a little after 7 with only 3 other cars in the lot. I live 15 minutes away from the TH, and there was zero wind at my house, but the wind was pretty gusty when we got there, and it was freezing pumpkin cold with it. I had never done this loop CCW, so I figured it would be a nice change of pace, completely forgetting about the torturous climb up to Terrapin Pass, where I cussed and complained the entire way, good thing S was ahead of me and did not get stuck listening to it. :lol:

Bluff Springs
I despise cardiac hill (going up and down) as it gets your breathing heavy right off the start. A little brushy on the way down and a bit worse in Bluff Canyon, more grass than anything. The trail is good all the way through.

Dutchman
It's a Savannah near Bluff Springs with hidden rocks ready to snap your ankle every chance they get. Brushy near Holmes Spring, this section always drags for me; it's kind of blah and long. We did not stop at La Barge, but a little bit of color started there and at Oak Spring. Quick break at a nice camping site near Oak Spring, and we continued. S had never seen the master map, so we made a quick detour to check it out and then headed up to Charlebois. The spring is full of decent-looking water, like it always is; had lunch at the campsite near the spring and continued. A little before the Calvary junction, we hit the Siphon fire burn area, which fried the huge Saguro that was right off the Dutchman. The trail through the burn was good, as it's been travelled pretty frequently, it would seem. The burn ended a bit up the Dutchman, stopping just before some of the riparian areas before Terrapin; however, it did make it to the huge swimmer that used to be a pretty cool spot.

Terrapin
I have a love/hate relationship with this trail. The climb up to the pass completely sucks, but I really enjoy the rock formations on the Bluff Spring end. We took a break once we made it up to the pass to catch our breath and my legs. From the pass to Bluff Saddle, the trail is brushy, and you need to keep your eyes open for carins to help through some of the areas.

Uneventful hike back to the TH, getting back a little after 5. This is the most miles I've done on my ankle since injuring it. While it was very sore after 5ish miles, it felt fine the day after. It was good to get out in the Supes to try and clear my mind. Thanks S, for joining.
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Tons of water in the creek.
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Because once up Terrapin this year wasn't enough.... 😆

Headed out to do a long loop that's been on my "should revisit" list. Swung by J's place to pick him up before sunrise, saw some cars at the Carney Springs Trailhead, and arrived at the Peralta lot to find only three other cars there. As we were driving out, we noticed that the winds had apparently decided to build as sunrise approached. Sure enough, as we got out of the car, we were shocked with the cutting breeze...I guess the good news is we would surely warm right up tackling cardiac hill straight away!

As expected, cardiac hill certainly got us warm, but sweat plus the breeze wasn't a good pairing. In an attempt to temperature regulate, I opted to peel off my wicking layer and continue onward with my windbreaker - this proved to be semi-successful, though I was then stuck with the windbreaker sleeves clinging to my sweaty arms...better than being stuck either freezing or overheating, I suppose. Oh the joys of re-discovering out how best to temperature regulate on the fly 😆

We had talked briefly about hitting this loop clockwise vs counter-clockwise. I didn't have any strong opinions on the matter...loose rocky nonsense on a grade is not particularly delightful in either direction. J seemed interested in hitting in CCW, so that's what we opted for. Sections of the Dutchman trail are playing peek-a-boo with tall grasses, requiring a fair bit of attention to ensure good foot placement. Saw a bit of color on the trees at the various springs as we passed. The sun had finally climbed high enough and the wind had mostly disappeared by the time we made Oak Spring, so we had a quick break to shed layers back to our more typical hiking attire before continuing onward to Charlebois and a quick visit to view the master map (thank you for showing it to me, J - I suspect I wouldn't have easily found it on my own!).

After a break to refuel near the spring, we continued on our way, eventually entering the burn region. I don't have strong memories of what the area looked like pre-fire, and I don't seem to have any photos from "way back when" to give myself a refresher. J showed me a photo of the big stately saguaro that was just off trail that is no more 😭

Soon enough, we found ourselves at the junction with Terrapin. Same as my previous visit, I was hitting this section late in the day after covering some decent miles. The climb up this time was easier - I'd like to think my conditioning has improved significantly since the last time I gave it a go. Still slow, but didn't seem to require the stops that I recalled having to make the last time I did it. When the trail gets close to the watercourse in the section before Bluff Saddle, things got a little faint at times with the overgrowth obscuring the way. Once we closed the loop, it was an easy return to the trailhead, making our way back down cardiac hill during golden hour.
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Didn't find the actual spring, but there is plenty of flow in the nearby creekbed.
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It’s Superstition season again.

A 7:10 start with the sun just starting to rise, temps in the 50s, and a light breeze blowing—how does it get any nicer? There was a van in the parking lot with a camera crew of some sort just getting packed up; we would see them again at the end of our hike. Not a clue what was going on there. The road in to Peralta was in mostly great shape, with only a couple of areas where you needed to slow down to avoid some rutting.

Bluff Springs Trail #235
There’s been a bit of work at the beginning of this trail to fix some washouts. Cardiac Hill still gets the heart pumping. Sure feels like more than a 500' climb.

Terrapin Trail #234
We opted to do this balloon loop clockwise to avoid the steep, loose drop from Terrapin Pass to the Dutchman Trail. This worked out well. There are a few areas on the Terrapin Trail where we actually had to consult our GPS; it’s a bit thin in spots.

Dutchman Trail #104
The Dutchman is a collection of friendly grades, running water, large trail-side boulders, and hints of fall. We took a break for lunch in a dry spot across from Oak Spring in LaBarge Creek, amongst the colorful cottonwoods.

We took the Dutchman back to the Bluff Spring Trail, where we ultimately retraced our steps back to the TH.

We did not see a single person the entire day until we were within 2 miles of the TH. Temps were perfect all day. I don’t think we went more than 15 minutes without seeing and/or hearing water. There were quite a few areas of wildflowers of all types. Get out and enjoy all the greenness of the Supes.
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Overall, the road in is of zero concern. Supa smooth for the majority. The second of two major washes slows down the low riders momentarily.

The trail up Cardiac Hill is easier for two-thirds because of trail work, erosion fill, and use. The turn off for Cave Trail #233 is distinctive. A little flow crossing Barks and less near Peralta Rock Gap. Summer sounds of crickets and large swarms of gnats, but they were not annoying. Yellow skipper butterflies.

Bruce was cool enough to do any hike I desired, short of a death march. He's long wished to do this loop clockwise, as he despises the North-South Terrapin ascent. Just passing the Terrapin turn, I figured, why not, so we turned around.

Clockwise was intriguing, as I haven't felt that disorientation in the Supes in eons. I'd rather hike either direction in warmer to hot weather with a breeze than calm fairweather, but to each their own.

White Rock Spring to Holmes is a jungle in areas. Luckily, we cruised by all the side trips. I enjoy checking them out when it's dry, but it's pointless with abundant pools and canyons trickling.

I had to stop about eight more times than Bruce. It became apparent he was not hydrated for a 26-30 miler.
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Flattop buckwheat, wolfberry, Parish Goldeneye, lots of exhausted fairy duster. Hints of filaree, which typically means a better-than-average wildflower season. Indian paintbrush, isolated Calypso, large fields of the base leaves of invasive California poppies...

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Dry at the trail crossing. Water is guaranteed on this date up near the spring and down in LaBarge.

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The amount of unnecessary tat discovered on route was disconcerting. We removed some but it would need another trip to clean and setup to a tolerable degree. Optimistically, the main bolt/ring for the west side rap that Dave & I added twenty years ago is holding up nicely, albeit not as level as I'd prefer but that doesn't warrant redoing (yet). :)
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A nice day to brave the Peralta Trailhead on a Sunday. There is a nice amount of water draining out of those mountains. We hiked up the Bluff Spring Trail and then continued down the Terrapin Trail for a few miles before turning around and returning the way we hiked in.

There were not very many cars at the trailhead when we arrived rather lately around 8:30 a.m. We passed a few people early on, but only saw a handful of hikers after the first few miles and not many on the return. We finished to a partially full lot on a Sunday, which was a nice relief. The Bluff Springs Trail is in pretty good shape. A trail crew was working on the trail near the beginning and doing a good job at cleaning up some of the erosion and use damage the early stretches of the trail are known for. The Terrapin Trail was a little soggy and overgrown, but I was happy to see one of my favorite sets of ephemeral falls out there flowing nicely. After a chilly break at the falls, we returned the way we hiked in. An excellent day in the western Superstitions on all fronts.

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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Arrived at Peralta a little later in the morning to a full parking lot. Had to park in one of the lower overflow parking areas.

Per usual, most were going up Peralta, so after my turn off on Bluff Springs, I ensured separation from the crowds.

A trail crew was doing some nice maintenance on the lower part of the climb.

Lots of water in Barks and on Terrapin. Passed a few day hikers/trail runners and a backpacking couple headed to Charlebois.

I had never taken the crosscut before. The turn off is well marked, and the route is pretty distinct—especially on the east side.

Great views of the Needle in the valley along the crosscut.

Coming down the west side, at what I’ll call “dog rock,” there’s a choice to head down the northern flank of the drainage, which I did. After a bit, I consulted the gps track I had downloaded and realized that route went down the southern flank. That said, the northern flank was pretty well traveled and marked.

The return on Peralta was pretty routine.

A few sprinkles here and there, but I avoided any real rain until after I was back on the road home.
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mike and i got going from peralta around 0915
he had never been on the crosscut trail so we did the loop starting up bluff springs trail
met a couple from canada and hiked with them until we turned off at terrapin
the crosscut trail was in good enough condition and easy to follow
some catclaw on the western half
we saw a total of five people on the entire hike
some erosion evident on all the trails
vegetation was actually green
fun day, nice to get out with mike
reminisced a bit about climbs on carney springs wall, barks canyon wall and weaver's needle that we had done together :)
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Stormy weather and cooler temps made it seem like a few miles in the soup could be nice. Not as humid as last weekend and temps stayed in the 70s all day with cloudiness dominating about 75% of the time (the other 25% happened whenever we were climbing a big hill ](*,) )

Wasn't sure what to expect with water, and was happy to find flows in places I wouldn't have expected. Peralta was dry. Barks was producing nicely. Bluff Spring Canyon and all the side drainages were nice higher up, less lower down. Surprisingly, LaBarge canyon was bone dry and had not even seen a hint of flow over the duration of the storm. It must just be a sponge of sand down there after a summer of little rain.

Charlebois had nice flow and downstream of there LaBarge was intermittent. The nicest flows of the day were on the way up Terrapin with flow in the drainages on all sides (and trail) all the way to within a few feet of Bluff Saddle, and then immediately flowing again on the south side and down from there.

I'm sure I had seen Wally's photo recon, but forgot or didn't realize the location ... the Marsh Valley, Calvary, Bull Pass, Dutchman area is absolutely obliterated. Pure moonscape. I didn't realize the burn had extended this far south. Ouch.

A good storm passed just to our east as we finished up, grazing us with wetting rain, but not quite enough to be completely drenched. Lightning stayed about 3-4 miles away which was nice. I rarely head out this way anymore unless conditions provide something unusual. Today worked for that.

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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Bluff Spring Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Occasional pools, especially upstream. Fewer pools farther down.

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Some of the strongest flow seen on the day.

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Flowing nicely. LaBarge Canyon below Charlebois was flowing intermittently with numerous deep pools.

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Canyon was flowing lightly

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A thicket of growth if you try to get to it. Ground was wet, sound of water dripping from spring above.

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Perfect cinco de drinco weather out there established a mandatory outdoor assessment of conditions. A couple of cars in the lot, two hikers on their last breaths as we started out, and not a sign of another soul the rest of the day. Cloudiness, a few sprinkles, a cool breeze, and temps flirting with 60.

Yesterday it had rained hard here, with evident erosion from recent surface flows. Some puddles remained in all the favored locations.
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Black Top Mesa from Peralta, AZ 
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went out on peralta, then up and around black top mesa and back on terrapin and bluff springs. the entirety of bull pass is burnt as is most of the summit of black top mesa.

fantastic scenery the whole way. had great weather. didn't see anyone from fremont saddle until the parking lot. :)
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Oh no. I thought I had posted a triplog for this hike already, but I must have forgotten to hit save. I'll try to remember what I wrote the first time around.

Continuing the annual tradition of hiking around Weaver's Needle for a fourth year. It was cold in the morning at the start, especially when the wind was blowing. The fleece hoodie wasn't keeping me warm, but as soon as we started going uphill I was plenty warm. Took the loop counterclockwise again like last time. The start on Bluff Springs Trail is a bitch. The giant stair steps kill my knees. But it's easier to do it going up when the legs are fresh than down when the legs are tired. Terrapin Trail was overgrown in places and a machete or hedge trimmer would have come in handy. But it was passable. It warmed up nicely when we got to Terrapin and I shed the hoodie and traded the knit cap for the wide brim hat. At the north end of the loop shed the long sleeve shirt for the rest of the hike. It was perfect hiking weather.

Very pleasant hiking without running into other people. Saw very few people on most of the trail until we got to Peralta Pass where it was very crowded. Passed by burned area on Peralta trail where I guess there was a fire last year. Always sad to see. But it was a fairly limited area at least it seemed that way from the trail. Also this is the driest I've seen this trail. No water at all in most of the streams, and even in Barks Canyon the rocks were only a little wet in places. Didn't see any critters despite the trail being empty. Of course this trail is so rocky that it's hard to look anywhere but down without tripping and slipping, so there might have been all kinds of animals that I never saw.

All in all a great day of hiking.
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A stroll out toward the Needle to look for a marker. I started just after 8:00am to nice temperatures and cloud cover. The weather was nice all day. Most of the hikers went up Peralta trail so I only saw a few on my way out but several on the way back on Bluff Spring trail. The trails are rocky as is usual. Terrapin trail is a bit overgrown but I didn't have any problem staying on it. I turned off at the cross cut trail and took a route up the wash and up a ridge toward Weavers Needle. I got close to the base of the Needle but ended up in a boulder field so decided to turn back save it for another day. A nice day in the Supes.
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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
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Another trip around the needle.

I met up with Jason at his house in Gold Canyon and we arrived at Peralta TH a little before 7am. There were already quite a few cars in the lot. We opted for a CCW loop and started up cardiac hill.

Bluff Springs Trail is in good shape. Steep as always at the start. The grass was pretty high along Barks Canyon area. We made to the Terrapin/Bluff Springs junction just as the sun was starting to kiss the ridges.

Terrapin is in pretty good shape. The typical catclaw before the saddle was there, but I’ve seen it in worse shape. The hike up to the saddle is an up and down activity, but the hike down to the Dutchman is the reason we did this CCW. That’s a steep section best done with gravity as your friend.

We made it to the Peralta/Dutchman junction and took a little break before the long trudge up to the Fremont Saddle. The 1 mile section between Terrapin and Peralta was one of the few sections in the Western Supes Jason hasn’t hiked. So, he crossed that off.

The hike up Peralta was the same non-stop up and up. The Siphon fire made it to parts of the lower Peralta Trail. You could see the ugly brown scars starting from the ridgeline going down. It was the usual “mosaic” burn pattern. Some places roasted beyond life, right next to green trees and live cacti. As we got close to the needle, the fire damage subsided. But, it did come back as we got near Piper Springs. It didn’t seem to cross the trail at any point. Once we made it to the Pinon Camp area, all signs of the fire stopped.

Jason hiked down to check out Piper Springs. He saw a trickle flowing. That was literally the only water on this entire loop. Areas that usually had some water were all bone-dry. I cannot recall seeing this place so dry in December, ever.

We made it to the Fremont saddle and saw 3-4 groups. Some out at the Lone Pine and some at the saddle. We came across some others going up and down from the saddle. I am wondering where all of the people that were parked at the TH were hiding as we saw nobody along the loop except for 1 solo hiker near the Peralta/Dutchman junction doing the same loop clockwise.

Always a treat to hit this one as the needle looks like a different formation from each side. The elevation is also broken up nicely which makes the +2800 ft aeg seem more manageable. I hope we get some rains soon. It is TOO dry out there.
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Beautiful day to be out hiking!! So glad to try a new trail! I've never been on crosscut, so decided to try it today. So glad to have read the @DarthStiller triplog saying that the official route is not accurate for the descent to Peralta. I used the mentioned route from @adilling, and it was perfect! Thank you! 😁 The crosscut trail was super easy to find and is well defined the entire length from terrapin to Peralta. Follow the cairns when descending to Peralta and also use @adilling route.

Parking lot was almost full on arrival to Peralta Trailhead. We headed out and saw no one on bluff spring, terrapin, or the crosscut. We saw our first people on Peralta right at the crosscut junction. We saw 2 more single hikers on Peralta before Fremont saddle. After a snack, we headed down on cave and saw 2 more people at devil's slide. They were having trouble finding a way up. They watched us come down, but after a while, they gave up and turned around. :(

Beautiful day for a hike if a bit hot for a December day! 😁😁😁
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