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It's been a tough week for me personally, after learning on Tuesday that I had been laid off. One positive from that is I could hike more and possibly hit my personal goal for the year. I've done this loop multiple times, and after seeing Joe and The Eagle do this loop last week, I thought it would be good to hit it up again. S and I arrive at Peralta TH a little after 7 with only 3 other cars in the lot. I live 15 minutes away from the TH, and there was zero wind at my house, but the wind was pretty gusty when we got there, and it was freezing pumpkin cold with it. I had never done this loop CCW, so I figured it would be a nice change of pace, completely forgetting about the torturous climb up to Terrapin Pass, where I cussed and complained the entire way, good thing S was ahead of me and did not get stuck listening to it. :lol:

Bluff Springs
I despise cardiac hill (going up and down) as it gets your breathing heavy right off the start. A little brushy on the way down and a bit worse in Bluff Canyon, more grass than anything. The trail is good all the way through.

Dutchman
It's a Savannah near Bluff Springs with hidden rocks ready to snap your ankle every chance they get. Brushy near Holmes Spring, this section always drags for me; it's kind of blah and long. We did not stop at La Barge, but a little bit of color started there and at Oak Spring. Quick break at a nice camping site near Oak Spring, and we continued. S had never seen the master map, so we made a quick detour to check it out and then headed up to Charlebois. The spring is full of decent-looking water, like it always is; had lunch at the campsite near the spring and continued. A little before the Calvary junction, we hit the Siphon fire burn area, which fried the huge Saguro that was right off the Dutchman. The trail through the burn was good, as it's been travelled pretty frequently, it would seem. The burn ended a bit up the Dutchman, stopping just before some of the riparian areas before Terrapin; however, it did make it to the huge swimmer that used to be a pretty cool spot.

Terrapin
I have a love/hate relationship with this trail. The climb up to the pass completely sucks, but I really enjoy the rock formations on the Bluff Spring end. We took a break once we made it up to the pass to catch our breath and my legs. From the pass to Bluff Saddle, the trail is brushy, and you need to keep your eyes open for carins to help through some of the areas.

Uneventful hike back to the TH, getting back a little after 5. This is the most miles I've done on my ankle since injuring it. While it was very sore after 5ish miles, it felt fine the day after. It was good to get out in the Supes to try and clear my mind. Thanks S, for joining.
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Tons of water in the creek.
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It’s Superstition season again.

A 7:10 start with the sun just starting to rise, temps in the 50s, and a light breeze blowing—how does it get any nicer? There was a van in the parking lot with a camera crew of some sort just getting packed up; we would see them again at the end of our hike. Not a clue what was going on there. The road in to Peralta was in mostly great shape, with only a couple of areas where you needed to slow down to avoid some rutting.

Bluff Springs Trail #235
There’s been a bit of work at the beginning of this trail to fix some washouts. Cardiac Hill still gets the heart pumping. Sure feels like more than a 500' climb.

Terrapin Trail #234
We opted to do this balloon loop clockwise to avoid the steep, loose drop from Terrapin Pass to the Dutchman Trail. This worked out well. There are a few areas on the Terrapin Trail where we actually had to consult our GPS; it’s a bit thin in spots.

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The Dutchman is a collection of friendly grades, running water, large trail-side boulders, and hints of fall. We took a break for lunch in a dry spot across from Oak Spring in LaBarge Creek, amongst the colorful cottonwoods.

We took the Dutchman back to the Bluff Spring Trail, where we ultimately retraced our steps back to the TH.

We did not see a single person the entire day until we were within 2 miles of the TH. Temps were perfect all day. I don’t think we went more than 15 minutes without seeing and/or hearing water. There were quite a few areas of wildflowers of all types. Get out and enjoy all the greenness of the Supes.
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Overall, the road in is of zero concern. Supa smooth for the majority. The second of two major washes slows down the low riders momentarily.

The trail up Cardiac Hill is easier for two-thirds because of trail work, erosion fill, and use. The turn off for Cave Trail #233 is distinctive. A little flow crossing Barks and less near Peralta Rock Gap. Summer sounds of crickets and large swarms of gnats, but they were not annoying. Yellow skipper butterflies.

Bruce was cool enough to do any hike I desired, short of a death march. He's long wished to do this loop clockwise, as he despises the North-South Terrapin ascent. Just passing the Terrapin turn, I figured, why not, so we turned around.

Clockwise was intriguing, as I haven't felt that disorientation in the Supes in eons. I'd rather hike either direction in warmer to hot weather with a breeze than calm fairweather, but to each their own.

White Rock Spring to Holmes is a jungle in areas. Luckily, we cruised by all the side trips. I enjoy checking them out when it's dry, but it's pointless with abundant pools and canyons trickling.

I had to stop about eight more times than Bruce. It became apparent he was not hydrated for a 26-30 miler.
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Flattop buckwheat, wolfberry, Parish Goldeneye, lots of exhausted fairy duster. Hints of filaree, which typically means a better-than-average wildflower season. Indian paintbrush, isolated Calypso, large fields of the base leaves of invasive California poppies...

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Dry at the trail crossing. Water is guaranteed on this date up near the spring and down in LaBarge.

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The amount of unnecessary tat discovered on route was disconcerting. We removed some but it would need another trip to clean and setup to a tolerable degree. Optimistically, the main bolt/ring for the west side rap that Dave & I added twenty years ago is holding up nicely, albeit not as level as I'd prefer but that doesn't warrant redoing (yet). :)
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A nice day to brave the Peralta Trailhead on a Sunday. There is a nice amount of water draining out of those mountains. We hiked up the Bluff Spring Trail and then continued down the Terrapin Trail for a few miles before turning around and returning the way we hiked in.

There were not very many cars at the trailhead when we arrived rather lately around 8:30 a.m. We passed a few people early on, but only saw a handful of hikers after the first few miles and not many on the return. We finished to a partially full lot on a Sunday, which was a nice relief. The Bluff Springs Trail is in pretty good shape. A trail crew was working on the trail near the beginning and doing a good job at cleaning up some of the erosion and use damage the early stretches of the trail are known for. The Terrapin Trail was a little soggy and overgrown, but I was happy to see one of my favorite sets of ephemeral falls out there flowing nicely. After a chilly break at the falls, we returned the way we hiked in. An excellent day in the western Superstitions on all fronts.

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Arrived at Peralta a little later in the morning to a full parking lot. Had to park in one of the lower overflow parking areas.

Per usual, most were going up Peralta, so after my turn off on Bluff Springs, I ensured separation from the crowds.

A trail crew was doing some nice maintenance on the lower part of the climb.

Lots of water in Barks and on Terrapin. Passed a few day hikers/trail runners and a backpacking couple headed to Charlebois.

I had never taken the crosscut before. The turn off is well marked, and the route is pretty distinct—especially on the east side.

Great views of the Needle in the valley along the crosscut.

Coming down the west side, at what I’ll call “dog rock,” there’s a choice to head down the northern flank of the drainage, which I did. After a bit, I consulted the gps track I had downloaded and realized that route went down the southern flank. That said, the northern flank was pretty well traveled and marked.

The return on Peralta was pretty routine.

A few sprinkles here and there, but I avoided any real rain until after I was back on the road home.
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mike and i got going from peralta around 0915
he had never been on the crosscut trail so we did the loop starting up bluff springs trail
met a couple from canada and hiked with them until we turned off at terrapin
the crosscut trail was in good enough condition and easy to follow
some catclaw on the western half
we saw a total of five people on the entire hike
some erosion evident on all the trails
vegetation was actually green
fun day, nice to get out with mike
reminisced a bit about climbs on carney springs wall, barks canyon wall and weaver's needle that we had done together :)
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Stormy weather and cooler temps made it seem like a few miles in the soup could be nice. Not as humid as last weekend and temps stayed in the 70s all day with cloudiness dominating about 75% of the time (the other 25% happened whenever we were climbing a big hill ](*,) )

Wasn't sure what to expect with water, and was happy to find flows in places I wouldn't have expected. Peralta was dry. Barks was producing nicely. Bluff Spring Canyon and all the side drainages were nice higher up, less lower down. Surprisingly, LaBarge canyon was bone dry and had not even seen a hint of flow over the duration of the storm. It must just be a sponge of sand down there after a summer of little rain.

Charlebois had nice flow and downstream of there LaBarge was intermittent. The nicest flows of the day were on the way up Terrapin with flow in the drainages on all sides (and trail) all the way to within a few feet of Bluff Saddle, and then immediately flowing again on the south side and down from there.

I'm sure I had seen Wally's photo recon, but forgot or didn't realize the location ... the Marsh Valley, Calvary, Bull Pass, Dutchman area is absolutely obliterated. Pure moonscape. I didn't realize the burn had extended this far south. Ouch.

A good storm passed just to our east as we finished up, grazing us with wetting rain, but not quite enough to be completely drenched. Lightning stayed about 3-4 miles away which was nice. I rarely head out this way anymore unless conditions provide something unusual. Today worked for that.

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Occasional pools, especially upstream. Fewer pools farther down.

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Some of the strongest flow seen on the day.

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Flowing nicely. LaBarge Canyon below Charlebois was flowing intermittently with numerous deep pools.

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Canyon was flowing lightly

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A thicket of growth if you try to get to it. Ground was wet, sound of water dripping from spring above.

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Perfect cinco de drinco weather out there established a mandatory outdoor assessment of conditions. A couple of cars in the lot, two hikers on their last breaths as we started out, and not a sign of another soul the rest of the day. Cloudiness, a few sprinkles, a cool breeze, and temps flirting with 60.

Yesterday it had rained hard here, with evident erosion from recent surface flows. Some puddles remained in all the favored locations.
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went out on peralta, then up and around black top mesa and back on terrapin and bluff springs. the entirety of bull pass is burnt as is most of the summit of black top mesa.

fantastic scenery the whole way. had great weather. didn't see anyone from fremont saddle until the parking lot. :)
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Oh no. I thought I had posted a triplog for this hike already, but I must have forgotten to hit save. I'll try to remember what I wrote the first time around.

Continuing the annual tradition of hiking around Weaver's Needle for a fourth year. It was cold in the morning at the start, especially when the wind was blowing. The fleece hoodie wasn't keeping me warm, but as soon as we started going uphill I was plenty warm. Took the loop counterclockwise again like last time. The start on Bluff Springs Trail is a bitch. The giant stair steps kill my knees. But it's easier to do it going up when the legs are fresh than down when the legs are tired. Terrapin Trail was overgrown in places and a machete or hedge trimmer would have come in handy. But it was passable. It warmed up nicely when we got to Terrapin and I shed the hoodie and traded the knit cap for the wide brim hat. At the north end of the loop shed the long sleeve shirt for the rest of the hike. It was perfect hiking weather.

Very pleasant hiking without running into other people. Saw very few people on most of the trail until we got to Peralta Pass where it was very crowded. Passed by burned area on Peralta trail where I guess there was a fire last year. Always sad to see. But it was a fairly limited area at least it seemed that way from the trail. Also this is the driest I've seen this trail. No water at all in most of the streams, and even in Barks Canyon the rocks were only a little wet in places. Didn't see any critters despite the trail being empty. Of course this trail is so rocky that it's hard to look anywhere but down without tripping and slipping, so there might have been all kinds of animals that I never saw.

All in all a great day of hiking.
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A stroll out toward the Needle to look for a marker. I started just after 8:00am to nice temperatures and cloud cover. The weather was nice all day. Most of the hikers went up Peralta trail so I only saw a few on my way out but several on the way back on Bluff Spring trail. The trails are rocky as is usual. Terrapin trail is a bit overgrown but I didn't have any problem staying on it. I turned off at the cross cut trail and took a route up the wash and up a ridge toward Weavers Needle. I got close to the base of the Needle but ended up in a boulder field so decided to turn back save it for another day. A nice day in the Supes.
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Another trip around the needle.

I met up with Jason at his house in Gold Canyon and we arrived at Peralta TH a little before 7am. There were already quite a few cars in the lot. We opted for a CCW loop and started up cardiac hill.

Bluff Springs Trail is in good shape. Steep as always at the start. The grass was pretty high along Barks Canyon area. We made to the Terrapin/Bluff Springs junction just as the sun was starting to kiss the ridges.

Terrapin is in pretty good shape. The typical catclaw before the saddle was there, but I’ve seen it in worse shape. The hike up to the saddle is an up and down activity, but the hike down to the Dutchman is the reason we did this CCW. That’s a steep section best done with gravity as your friend.

We made it to the Peralta/Dutchman junction and took a little break before the long trudge up to the Fremont Saddle. The 1 mile section between Terrapin and Peralta was one of the few sections in the Western Supes Jason hasn’t hiked. So, he crossed that off.

The hike up Peralta was the same non-stop up and up. The Siphon fire made it to parts of the lower Peralta Trail. You could see the ugly brown scars starting from the ridgeline going down. It was the usual “mosaic” burn pattern. Some places roasted beyond life, right next to green trees and live cacti. As we got close to the needle, the fire damage subsided. But, it did come back as we got near Piper Springs. It didn’t seem to cross the trail at any point. Once we made it to the Pinon Camp area, all signs of the fire stopped.

Jason hiked down to check out Piper Springs. He saw a trickle flowing. That was literally the only water on this entire loop. Areas that usually had some water were all bone-dry. I cannot recall seeing this place so dry in December, ever.

We made it to the Fremont saddle and saw 3-4 groups. Some out at the Lone Pine and some at the saddle. We came across some others going up and down from the saddle. I am wondering where all of the people that were parked at the TH were hiding as we saw nobody along the loop except for 1 solo hiker near the Peralta/Dutchman junction doing the same loop clockwise.

Always a treat to hit this one as the needle looks like a different formation from each side. The elevation is also broken up nicely which makes the +2800 ft aeg seem more manageable. I hope we get some rains soon. It is TOO dry out there.
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Beautiful day to be out hiking!! So glad to try a new trail! I've never been on crosscut, so decided to try it today. So glad to have read the @DarthStiller triplog saying that the official route is not accurate for the descent to Peralta. I used the mentioned route from @adilling, and it was perfect! Thank you! 😁 The crosscut trail was super easy to find and is well defined the entire length from terrapin to Peralta. Follow the cairns when descending to Peralta and also use @adilling route.

Parking lot was almost full on arrival to Peralta Trailhead. We headed out and saw no one on bluff spring, terrapin, or the crosscut. We saw our first people on Peralta right at the crosscut junction. We saw 2 more single hikers on Peralta before Fremont saddle. After a snack, we headed down on cave and saw 2 more people at devil's slide. They were having trouble finding a way up. They watched us come down, but after a while, they gave up and turned around. :(

Beautiful day for a hike if a bit hot for a December day! 😁😁😁
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A fantastic loop with gorgeous views of this area of the superstitions. Few other hikers encountered - a large bonus given how full the parking lot was and the number of vehicles in the "caravan" out Peralta Road on our way out.

It has been decades since I've hiked in the superstitions, and it's nice to be reacquainting myself with the area. Many years ago, I'd hiked the full loop around Weaver's Needle - the Crosscut makes for a shorter day, and gains some up close views of the rocky wonderland at the base of Weaver's Needle. Weaver's Crosscut was surprisingly easy to follow - we followed the obvious path, which deviated from the pre-downloaded route (I downloaded from another app/site). Cave Trail was harder to follow in some areas (especially post the Devil's Slide feature) where it traveled on areas of rock escarpments. I admit I would not have anticipated the Devil's Slide was a part of the route if not for my hiking partner, who had hiked the trail previously. If hiking on the weekend and looking to escape the traffic on Peralta, Cave was a welcome alternate route though certainly not for everyone given the need for route finding and navigating the Devil's Slide feature.
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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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joebartelsTriplogs 5,922
Hiking13.39 Miles 2,882 AEG
Hiking13.39 Miles   7 Hrs   8 Mns   2.06 mph
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With the standard wave of pseudo backpackers, powered by corporate apps empowering give-me, I had a 20+ mi loop to report on two lesser reported and one of the never-shared water sources. Then figured it was best to ease back into bigger hikes.

The road all the way to the Overflow / Horse Trailer / Bus lot is super smooth now.

Elected to go against the grain and do this hike clockwise as we always hit it CCW. The hike up to Fremont Saddle was better than anticipated, it usually seems to drag as the end of the hike heading down.

The only hiker we passed all day was on the flip side past Fremont. A female backpacker in flip-flops. She said it was warmer last night than the night before, after Bruce asked. Later saw two hikers in the distance and that was it all day.

Anticipated the Siphon burn heading down. Finally entered one pocket. Albeit burned, seemed kinna trivial surrounded by world-class geology that entertains the eye more than chaparral.

Piper was the only spring on the day to check out. The lid is jammed unless you're stronger or you BYO crowbar. It's still at least 3 to 4 ft deep as it has been for eons. Satisfied, but give-me without contributing back for the next guy idiots still bring out the second half of the fourth verse in Get in the Ring... Lol

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Bruce mentioned earlier(cried like a 2-year-old), and at this point, I'd have to agree with him... it's a touch warm for December 19th. Hopefully, Linda is safe from the wrath of the sun.

Dead grass along most of the hike but it is especially thick heading up Terrapin. If not throughout to Bluff Spring Trail.

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Great little loop without the drive. Still didn't care for the last mile and a half but the morning hike up to Fremont was a total winner.

Siphon Fire results on this hike were minimal. Hikes originating at First Water TH have never been high on my list. It'll green up in 2 years, then another inevitable grass fire will torch the lunatic fringe.

The parking lot was a fourth full when we finished but we didn't see the people. Wave Cave シ was packing 'em in.


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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Still 3 feet deep or more. Plenty of water for a large group. The metal lid is jammed so you only see a tiny amount. The stick test confirmed the same deep results as always.
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Weaver's Needle Loop from Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,831
Hiking13.46 Miles 2,842 AEG
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40s and windy to start the day. Temperatures rose to the low 80s, and the wind mostly died down as the day went on.

Joe planned a clockwise loop around Weavers Needle using Peralta → Dutchman → Terrapin → Bluff Springs.

Peralta Trail #102
The trail was in mostly good condition, typical of the Superstitions. This was the only trail of the day that showed evidence of burn from the Siphon Fire. The burn was minimal, and if we get any winter or spring rains, it will likely be mostly covered up. We spent some time checking out Piper Spring. There's plenty of water there, but it takes some effort to remove the two lids and collect it.

We passed one female backpacker heading out after spending a few nights in the wilderness.

Dutchman Trail #104
We were on the Dutchman Trail for a bit before making our way to the Terrapin Trail. No evidence of fire damage anywhere along this section.

Terrapin Trail #234
We climbed up the Terrapin Trail a bit, looking for shade, and stopped for lunch. While eating, we spotted a couple of backpackers below on the Dutchman. After lunch, we continued the climb, gaining two saddles five or six times. This was the warmest part of the day. Once again, no fire scars were visible.

Bluff Springs Trail #235
The section of Terrapin leading up to this trail can be thin at times. By this point, we were on the home stretch. We passed our last hiker of the day as he completed Cardiac Hill.

It felt great to get back out to the Superstitions. From what we saw today, the minimal fire scars wouldn't deter us from hiking in this area again.
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[ checklist ]  Piper Spring

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Hard to find the actual water. Located under a 2'x 2' sheet of metal and then under another cover. The pool there is at least 2' deep.
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Weaver's Needle CrosscutPhoenix, AZ
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I've never hiked the Weaver's crosscut before, mainly because I thought it was a bushwhack with no trail. Turns out there is a trail and it's pretty easy to follow. The views along there are also really nice.

I did the loop counterclockwise from the Peralta TH, heading up Bluff Springs Trail in the dark. Looking back I could see the stream of headlights along Peralta Road with the hordes heading in. The first sunlight that hit me was on the Terrapin Trail, soon after I saw a deer up ahead on the trail.

The junction with the crosscut and Terrapin is marked pretty well with a cairn and the trail is very well defined. The little hidden valley along that trail reminds me of the hidden valley in South Mountain. It was really cool to get new views of Weaver's Needle, not to mention the closest views I've ever had.

I downloaded 3 tracks that were posted, and the were all nearly identical. The last section heading down to the Peralta Trail, I started to follow the trail I was on, but I noticed that it was going off track, heading north, and going downhill fast. I didn't want to overcommit if I had to bail with a big climb back up, so I followed the track(s). That descent has no trail whatsoever, and it's a pretty rough bushwhack. There was a group of people at the junction of the crosscut and Peralta, two of which were heading up a trail. When I talked to the other 3 who sat and waited on Peralta, they told me those other 2 hikers were headed up the crosscut, so I'm thinking I should have stayed on that trail. Another reason to head back and do this again one day.

The hike back was the usual. There was a huge group of very loud tourists at Freemont Saddle posing for pictures and making a huge racket. Definitely in violation of the 15 person group limit. The traffic on Peralta after that was a pain. I was the fastest hiker of everyone going in my direction, which I'm not used to.

There was a volunteer at the trailhead greeting everyone and giving info. I told on the illegal group of tourists, at which point he emphasized his volunteer status. Still a really nice hike, perfect weather.
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I hadn't hiked in the Superstitions in almost nine months, and though these were all familiar trails, I'd never hiked this specific loop before, and it looked like a solid higher-mileage option. We started from Peralta at ~7AM, and the usual weekend crowds were starting to fill the lot as we packed up. TboneKathy didn't want to go down Cardiac Hill at the end of the loop, so we hiked it clockwise and went up Bluff Springs at the beginning and got that out of the way, with nice sunrise views as we gained elevation. We connected with Terrapin, and I'd never hiked up and over Terrain Pass--great views looking out toward the Goldfields, Black Mesa, Battleship, Malapais, etc. on the way down.

Once we hit Dutchman, we started to get our first looks at the Siphon Fire damage around the Bull Pass/Cavalry intersections. That area was hit hard and was burned to a crisp over to White Rock Spring and a little beyond...sad to see the current state of that once-green area. But the burn scar ended a little farther south, and we detoured off the loop to eat lunch at Charlebois. Two backpackers were bushwhacking their way to the spring and were happy to see us pass and learn there was an easy trail...but then they were right behind us, and we didn't have the lunch spot to ourselves.

We continued to see occasional hikers and backpackers as we continued south on Dutchman, and we saw two people coming down from Miner's Summit as we approached the Whiskey Spring intersection. TboneKathy continued on Dutchman, and I detoured up to the summit for a quick look around. Only one other entry in the register from last February since I was up there about a year ago, so the two who were up there today didn't sign it. The afternoon was mostly cloudy, but the sun broke free briefly while I was at the top.

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I headed down and caught up to TBK, and we finished off the loop a little before 5PM. We saw a total of ~10-15 people over the course of the day, but not much unique wildlife--just a cardinal and a tiny garter snake. Overall, a pleasant loop with no real surprises, just a nice day out in the Superstitions. No surprise that it's very dry out there right now--other than the pool at Charlebois, we didn't see any other water all day.



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Needing to check the Crosscut trail off my 'list' Andy put this loop together going CCW. Got to the Peralta TH just after 5:30am with only a couple of cars in the parking lot and none in the Wave Cave lot. I guess its too hot for the TicToker's :lol:. Started up my always favorite Cardiac Hill and made our way down to Barks Canyon. There were a couple of smaller pools there and that would be the only water we would see all day, everything else was dried up. I have never seen so much grass in Barks. The Foxtails and Buffel grass at times were chest high and without gaiters, were a real pain for my shoes and socks. We headed up Terrapin and made the turn up to the first saddle on the Crosscut. While a little rocky and steep this section of the trail was in great shape and easy to follow. Once in the canyon past the first saddle the trail became hit and miss with the grass hiding a good amount of it. Once at the top of the second saddle we took a break which gave me a chance to clean the foxtails out of my shoes and socks. Once past the second saddle, it was steep and slippery but carins directed us down to East Boulder Canyon. We came upon our first person of the day as we neared the Peralta Trail junction. A solo hiker looking for a way to get closer to Weavers Needle. We directed her to the carins marking the way up for the climbers and she continued on. Once we were in East Boulder Canyon the winds picked up which made for a nicer climb up to Freemont Saddle. The hike from the saddle was long and hot, it seemed to drag on for forever. Saw a couple of people up on the saddle and a couple others coming up but the crowd was much thinner with the hotter temps. Thanks Andy for the invite to this one.
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