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Grant Creek Trail #75 - Blue Range - 4 members in 28 triplogs have rated this an average 3.8 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Pbar - Grant - Paradise Lolly, AZ 
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Hiking11.12 Miles 2,526 AEG
Hiking11.12 Miles   7 Hrs   34 Mns   1.58 mph
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I'm not ready for my hiking season to wind down, but getting to the higher elevations definitely makes things more challenging. Taking advantage of the long weekend to get further afield seemed like a good idea...the difficulty being selecting a location that wouldn't be overrun with others. Was glad for the invitation to join J for a trip to the eastern ranges - an area that I've spent very little time in, even when I was hiking more extensively.

We set out the previous day on the long drive to take us to our destination. The drive was timed to allow us to find and set camp before the sun went down - which also allowed us to drive 191 during daylight hours, gaining us much better visibility in case of large wildlife on the road. We saw numerous deer on the drive in, and a few other vehicles. While there were others camped in the area, we were able to find a nice spot off one of the forest roads to settle for the night. Upon our arrival, we were greeted with the gobble-gobble of wild turkeys in the distance. The turkeys kept up their serenade while we set up camp, then another bird took over for a bit while we quickly ate dinner as the temps started to drop with the sun having gone down and a night-time breeze picking up.

The next morning, we got up and struck camp - temps were anticipated to have dropped to the high 30s overnight, but things warmed up fast in the sun. Once everything was packed, we headed over to the trailhead and started our uphill climb towards PBar "Lake". The trail was easy going, though surprisingly dusty. To my eye, the lake much more resembles a pond...it's a shallow depression in a clearing amidst the pines with no obvious inlet or outlet - though today, it's completely dry. After a brief stop to get clippers out, we started the descent along the Grant Creek Trail.

Heading down the Grant Creek Trail, it was obvious that someone has done some maintenance. The locust and raspberries have moved in to take advantage of the full sun on the slopes - the trail is currently passable with some light contact, but as the season progresses, I suspect it will quickly get swallowed. Keep an eye out for poison ivy as you contour around a small drainage just below the switchbacks as you get close to the junction with the Grant Cabin Shortcut. When we passed over the drainage, there was a little bit of water flowing, with plenty of bees and butterflies enjoying the shallow pools.

When we hit the junction for the Grant Cabin shortcut, we decided to do the loop of the lollipop counterclockwise to break up our climb on exit - I was feeling the altitude on the small climb up to PBar Lake, and the idea of doing all the elevation from the Creek out was not pleasant. Lost track of the trail in one section on our way down, but was able to pick it up again in short order. Made it to the creek, where we were greeted by the neighborhood welcome committee (cows). We wandered upcanyon a bit to have a quick look at Grant Cabin - the surrounding area shows lots of evidence of bovine habitation (lots of fresh cow patties complete with loads of flies), and the area immediately adjacent to the cabin has evidence of inconsiderate human visitors by way of abandoned waterbottles and other trash 😒

After another quick break, we continued onward, along side the burbling Grant Creek. It wasn't long until we came to the post (missing the sign) marking the junction with the Paradise Trail. Knowing that things were going to get warm on the ascent, we both dipped our towels in the creek to help keep cool and started climbing. The initial climb out from Grant Creek wasn't terribly steep, but the footing was loose and the trail was eroded with off camber slope. As we continued climbing, we found our well established track deviating from the marked route in HAZ. A cross reference to another mapping database showed us on the Paradise Trail, though now that I'm home and have access to my computer and the USGS topos, I'm not sure where the other mapping database got its data because the USGS topo matches what's in HAZ. Ah well, either way, we made it to Paradise Park, where we sat for a break while being serenaded by a rather loud bird.

Knowing that we had a long drive home, we didn't lollygag for too long before joining back up with the Grant Creek Trail to close our loop and begin the seemingly long hot climb back out. The climb was definitely warm in the unshaded sections, and I was very glad for the cloud cover that rolled in, along with the breeze that would kick up now and again. Soon enough, we were back at PBar Lake and shortly after that, back at the truck. After cleaning up as best as we could, we headed homeward, catching sight of loads of elk in some of the meadows along 191 on the way. It was a nice escape for the holiday weekend - thanks for the invite, J!

Wildlife: On trail: butterflies, lizards, and various birds (oh, and we can't forget the bovine welcoming committee!). On the drive: deer, squirrel, chipmunk, bluejays, and elk.

Other people: None! Hooray!
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some of my photos were blurry and not worth posting...but even so, there were few things in bloom...probably spent more time chasing butterfly photos instead of flower photos this time around.

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May 26 2025
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 Gold Canyon, AZ
Pbar - Grant - Paradise Lolly, AZ 
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00blackoutTriplogs 187
Hiking11.10 Miles 2,534 AEG
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With the holiday weekend and warm temps in the valley, I opted for a last-minute trip up NE to the Blue Range, and S was happy to join me. We drove up Saturday evening, found an isolated spot to camp for the night off FR58 before getting up early Monday, heading over to the TH. I've been wanting to check out Paradise Park for a couple of years now, but the first time I attempted it, I ran into a locust jungle, so I was hoping my luck would be better this time. Easy hiking with a good trail to P Bar Lake. Got to P Bar Lake (still not sure why it's called a lake) and started the descent. The descent down was not nearly as bad as it was last time I attempted it (someone has done some maintenance), but there is still some overhang of locust and raspberry that will grab you from time to time. I did some light trimming on the bigger pieces, but without a good cleaning soon it will be overgrown again. We decided to hike the loop counterclockwise to break up some of the elevation gain and headed down the Grant Cabin shortcut. Lost the trail through a section near the top, but overall not difficult to follow. Made it down to Grant Creek, where we took a few minutes to check out the old Grant Cabin and rehydrate. FYI - the bovines have made the cabin area their new home as we ran into several there and tons of fresh patties. As we continued, the next section of Grant Creek was nice, with a good trail, shade, and a good amount of water in the creek. After a bit, we crossed the creek and started a small climb up the Paradise Trail, which was my least favorite section as it was eroded quite a bit initially, with loose footing. As we continued down the Paradise trail, we followed the track making its way up and to the left of 7576, however, the HAZ route has the trail out on the cliffside before getting to Paradise Park. We saved roughly a mile and a half by doing this route. We spent a good amount of time at Paradise Park eating lunch, listening to a very loud bird sing the same song over and over again for a good 30 minutes, before we connected with the Grant Creek Trail. By this time, it was warm, and with no shade, I was completely dreading the climb back up to the lake. The first half of the ascent was hot and slow, however, some clouds and wind came in and made it much more tolerable. Got back to the TH around 3 and started the long drive home. Saw tons of deer and elk and got serenaded by turkeys at the campsite. The Blue is always a favorite of mine, even though it's a long haul. The weather was a bit cold overnight, but warmed up to 70 degrees by the end of the day. Thanks S, for joining me out in the Blue.
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Completely dry, not even muddy.
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P-Bar Lake Trail #326Alpine, AZ
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I was looking for things and clearing trails. Specifically, the locust choked descent of Grant shortly after P-Bar Lake.

Cold start, thirty six degrees at the TH. We ended up starting at 6:30. I cleared trail for some of the descent on Grant, but in general we kept moving to take advantage of the cooler temps for exploring. Nevertheless, it still started to feel a little warm due to the lack of cloud cover and the more tedious off trail travel, so we headed back. I gave Dot several rests in the shade along the climb up Grant and during those times I worked on clearing the trail to a pretty high standard in the areas near where I was able to find shade for Dot to lay down in. A couple of horsemen praised my work and gave us some extra water, which was appreciated. They were the only people we saw all day. Some nice clouds eventually rolled in making for some perfect fall hiking conditions.
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closer to like 1-5 percent full, brown and muddy.
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A nice little lollipop loop from the P-Bar Lake Trailhead. I started just after six and did not see anyone all day. Although, the trailhead was packed with vehicles, as was the Blue Range in general due to the opening weekend of archery season for deer.

P-Bar Lake was in excellent condition and scenic. The forest here looks better every year.

A short but sweet stroll along Foot Creek Trail, which was also in great shape and particularly scenic in the early morning light.

The descent down Grant Creek Trail is pretty brushy, with a solid mile or so of some semi-annoying locust and raspberry, however, I have seen it worse and there was only two downed trees. There were also a few short reprieves along the way. Nothing except locust can seem to take hold through this section, I wonder if that will ever change?

The Grant Cabin shortcut trail needs some deadfall removed, but most of it amounted to easy step-overs. A little brush, but barely worth mentioning.

The cabin has not changed much since my last visit, but Grant Creek has nearly been swallowed by creek side vegetation and downed trees in this area. There was a light flow. The hiking along Grant Creek was a little primitive at first, as I made my way to the junction with the Paradise Trail, but it got "better."

I walked by the Paradise Trail twice some how. Its intersections seems to be getting more obscure with each year. The first half to three-quarters of the trail was also brushy and more overgrown than I have ever seen it. The last little stretch was nice however, which made up for it. I had to put the rain coat on for about 15 minutes, as I approached the intersection with the Grant Creek Trail.

It was good trail along the nicely recovering Paradise Park, which was particularly scenic from the recent rains. The good trail continued until we reached the locust ascent.

Great day out in the Blue, with lots of nostalgia. It’s been awhile since I have knocked out a semi rugged loop in these mountains.
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Upper Grant Creek Trail #65 - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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ShatteredArmTriplogs 356
Hiking14.70 Miles 2,887 AEG
Hiking14.70 Miles   6 Hrs   58 Mns   2.27 mph
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After finishing the lower part of Foote Creek trail a few weeks ago, I decided it might be a good time to see if I can "finish" the trail. I was thinking an out-and-back from P-Bar Lake TH down to the Horse Ridge junction would be the goal, although I wasn't expecting trail conditions to be very good. P-Bar Lake trail is a walk in the park, and once on Foote Creek trail, the lack of maintenance quickly becomes apparent after the Grant Creek trail splits off. Still, it was pretty easy to follow into the upper Foote Creek drainage; deadfall was really the biggest issue.

Once into Foote Creek, the trail pretty much disappeared, and it was basically side-hilling while climbing over logs. Did this for maybe a mile and decided at that point that Foote Creek would be best left unfinished, at least until someone decides to rebuild the trail. Also, the canyon was a little smoky, although not enough that I could smell it. At one point I could see smoke billowing up ahead; I didn't realize until after the hike that the fire was actually in Foote Creek, apparently around the Horse Ridge junction. Glad I avoided stumbling into an active fire... Really hoping that area doesn't get charred too badly.

After I decided to turn around, I figured I may as well go check out the Upper Grant Creek trail, which I attempted from the top a couple years ago, but quickly lost the trail. Headed down Grant Creek trail, which seems to see regular maintenance at least to Paradise Park - locust are starting to encroach, but not enough to really slow you down. Then down the Grant Cabin Shortcut. A little upstream from the cabin, found a nice spot to take a short break, then proceeded up canyon.

For the most part, route finding in Upper Grant Creek was not too difficult, and the trail exists in most places. But the locust are getting really bad, and if it's not trimmed soon, getting through this canyon is going to be very difficult. I was barely moving at 1mph through there. It was also getting pretty warm, even at 9000 feet.

Eventually I got to Hannagan TH, where I would've loved my car to have been at that point in time, but I had to get back to P-Bar TH. I opted to take Clell Lee Trail, since it would be a little shorter, all downhill, and I hadn't seen it all the way down to 191. It's a pleasant little valley. The mile or so along 191 was OK; as far as highways are concerned it's not bad, I only saw four vehicles total in the 15 minutes or so it took.
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P-Bar Lake Trail #326Alpine, AZ
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Too many things to do Saturday morning and early afternoon, but I still wanted to get into nature and some cool air this weekend, so I decided on heading over to the Blue. Car camped at the Red Hill TH for the night before heading over to the P Bar Lake TH to hike early Sunday. Got woken up at around 3:45am from a slight movement of my truck, followed by the sound of some heavy steps right outside. It was pitch black, couldn't see anything but I'm assuming it was an Elk since the steps sounded pretty heavy. Laid back down and in the distance I heard some wolves howling (which is awesome to hear). Got up at 5:15 and it was freezing pumpkin cold; 45 degrees out and I left my windows cracked. :( Before heading over to the other TH, I decided to do a quick mile hike up to the wilderness boundary on the Red Hill trail.

Red Hill Trail - Trail was in pretty good shape up to the boundary, one small section of light overgrowth as you got closer to the ridgeline but nothing horrible. If some maintenance isn't done in the near future on the bottom section near the TH it is going to turn into a Black Bear Raspberry diner. Currently just off trail but starting to encroach. Made it back to my truck and headed over to the P Bar Lake TH.

P-Bar Lake - My original plan was to hike the P Bar Lake trail over to Grant Creek and take it down to Moonshine Park, but things changed. The P Bar lake trail is in great shape, very small minor deadfall especially after you finish the initial climb and get closer to the junction but nothing major.

Foote Creek - Once I got on the Foote Creek trail from the P Bar Lake junction here came the deadfall over and over again with some taking me on a detour through New Mexican locust jungles. A ton of them looking pretty recent. No overgrowth issues on this one, the Locust is just off the trail though so it could get overgrown pretty quick without any type of use. I thought about continuing on Foote Creek past P Bar Lake but the trail disappeared into overgrowth and deadfall shortly after, so I decided against it.

Grant Creek - Quick break at P Bar Lake (still not sure why they call this a lake) and started my decent down the Grant Creek Trail. Initial part of the trail is good, then starts getting a little cramped but not horrible. As the trail turns to the left and goes into the steep drainage part it gets really bad. I ran into a Locust jungle that I could not see through and with the descent just starting not knowing if the rest of the Grant Creek Trail was gonna be the same, there was no way I was gonna fight it, so I turned around and headed back to my truck. Pretty disappointed on this one as I have been wanting to get into the Moonshine Park area for awhile now.

KP Rim - Decided to drive over and hike the KP Rim trail. The trail was good for about a tenth of a mile. Once the climbing started it thickened up and then turned into a Fern and Locust jungle. Had a good size tree blocking about halfway up and the only way past it was to get on all fours and crawl underneath. I pushed through the jungle hoping that it would give me some awesome views on top of the rim but no dice, so my blood donation was all for not. This trail is currently inhabited by thousands of grass hoppers who get pretty pissed off that you are disturbing them so they jump right into you; eyes, face, doesn't matter, they are just trying to piss you off. :o

It was a little warm in the sun (77 degrees) but it felt awesome to be back out in the Blue again enjoying the trees and the tons of Elk and deer. Did not see single person the entire day! Can't wait to get back out there again.
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I would not even think about filtering from this 'lake'. Barely any water and tons of animal tracks and scat.
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Paradise Park loop, AZ 
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ShatteredArmTriplogs 356
Run/Jog18.29 Miles 3,014 AEG
Run/Jog18.29 Miles   6 Hrs   6 Mns   3.39 mph
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Was going to go down to the Pinalenos, but had to make a last minute change of plans, so headed up to Hannagan Meadow. I'd been meaning to check out the Blue Range area for awhile, but the last couple of trips out there, fire deterred me. Started out on Foote Creek trail, and took that to P Bar Lake. Saw what I thought was a bear running across the trail ahead of me at one point.

Turned south on Grant Creek Trail, and followed it down to Paradise trail. Paradise trail was slightly harder to follow, but still nice. Got down to Grant Creek, where there was decent flow and a nice campsite. Continued on Paradise Trail and ran up on a bear that was probably napping. Nothing to worry about there either, all I saw was his backside.

After Moonshine Park, started hitting the burn area, and the trail got more overgrown. A couple of harder to follow spots on the Steeple Creek side. Steeple was all moonscape. Heard a wolf howling when I got to the creek, but didn't get a visual. The climb up Steeple trail seemed like it was like 10 miles long, but at least it has been cleaned, and had minimal deadfall and not too much locust. In the higher elevation raspberries started appearing, and I probably ate a couple pounds of them along the way.

The connector trail through the upper Grant Creek basins was all moonscape, but despite the tread being nonexistent in places, it was pretty easy to find the way. Burn got a little less severe after crossing the main arm of Grant Creek.

Good day overall, and a decent first Blue Range outing.

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Good flow at Paradise and Steeple trail crossings

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A little flow into the lake

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Grant Creek - Primitive Blue Range, AZ 
Grant Creek - Primitive Blue Range, AZ
 
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John9LTriplogs 1,647
Backpack14.75 Miles 2,700 AEG
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As the holiday weekend approached, I contacted Lee to see what he was up to. He said he's going back into The Blue for an easy backpack with Katie & the dogs. He invited me & I'm glad I joined.

We would car camp on Friday night and then headed over to the trailhead and started in. Steeple was in great shape and we connected onto Grant Creek Trail which was slow & overgrown. We took our time as we descended the canyon. The sun was out and it was hot. We kept at it and worked our way over and around dead fall and we were able to follow the trail whenever it existed. We finally hit the cabin and decide to set up camp.

After camp was set up we decided to go for a day hike as dark clouds moved in. We headed for Moonshine Park as a light rain started to fall. We followed a good trail that was cleared recently. It was easy going and we enjoyed the park. We walked around the area and took a variety of pics and then the skies opened up. Thunder roared and the rain grew heavy. We started our return and put our heads down and cruised back. Once we were back at camp we climbed into our tents and waited an hour for the storm to pass. As soon as it cleared, Lee & Katie built the fire and evening set in. We dried our gear & ate dinner.

We woke on day two and took our time packing up & headed out around 9am. Our return climbed almost 2,000ft but went well. It's a respectable climb but the trail is in good condition. Once things leveled off, we took a short break and then headed the last few miles back to the trailhead. There were a handful of downed trees to climb over. Once back to the car we talked about our options and decided to get some food in Hannagan Meadows and then return to Phoenix.

This was a nice hike and I'm glad I drove out. I wish we spent another night so we could have explored more. Its a good reason to return another time.
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Grant Creek Overnight Backpack, AZ 
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I ended my summer in the same area my summer began, the Primitive Blue Range. Katie myself, John and our pack of four completed a nice little overnight trip to Grant Cabin along Grant Creek.

Day 1:

The first mile or so along Steeple was pleasant as usual. Upper Grant Creek Trail is trying its hardest to return to its primitive nature, despite being cleared a year ago, but the trail is still generally in good shape. It just tends to drag a little towards the end and the going always seems to be a little slower than expected. After setting up camp at the cabin, we headed off for a side trip to Moonshine Park. We left to the beginnings of some light rain. Moonshine Park will not blow you away, but its a pleasant area and worth the side trip. As we left Moonshine, the rain picked up in its intensity as did the thunder and lightning. We nixed a plan to explore Paradise went straight to camp, getting pretty drenched along the way. We then had to retreat to the tents for an hour or so. After the rain ended, it was the usual camp chores, a fire and trying to stay up past 8:30.

Day 2:

We took our time the morning of day two and left camp a little after nine. From camp you pretty much start climbing and you don't really end until a little over two miles and an elevation of approximately 8,900 feet. Luckily, the trails were in great shape and the grade was thoughtful, so the climb did not really prove to be that bad. A little warm at times, but manageable. From P-Bar Lake it was a very pleasant hike through some nice stands of surviving forest along great trail all the way to our beginning trailhead and the completion of our loop. Another fulfilling trip to the Blue.
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Intro to Blue, AZ 
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Backpack56.85 Miles 10,461 AEG
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First time to the Blue. Out of laziness admiration I simply copy/pasted FOTG's earlier trip this year and stuck to the trails.

Day 1
Caught a few hours of sleep before cruising down Steeple/Upper Grant Creek. Upper Grant was okay, intermittent tread with a few obstacles, travel was slower than expected. Swung over on Paradise and gawked over the hints of big views through the trees before connecting with Grant Creek. Grant Creek served as a dividing line for complete devastation and untouched pines for awhile before succumbing to the burn and wandering sadly through a field of ferns.

Stopped at White Oak Spring to spook a buck and flock of turkeys (and filter some water) before tumbling down the rest of Grant Creek Trail. The exposure was hot and my poorly-fitting boots were starting to annoy me, so when I reached the creek itself and saw more signs of burn damage (flood damage and young, greedy growth) I rushed forward and crashed at the trailhead. Bottom of the Blue felt like a darn furnace after the cooler, shaded mountains above.

A hot, dusty forest road did a great job at burning through my water and I was very thankful to find Lanphier Creek flowing at the Largo junction. Trudged uphill on Largo, enjoying the little park beyond the first ridge and Dutch Oven area and mostly cursing my boots. Found some interesting pens that seemed to be protecting the source of Largo Creek, though they were all opened, and the wildlife had obviously been digging deep to find water here this summer. Crested and dropped along the Little Blue Trail to find a very talkative man camping at Bear Valley for a few weeks with his mules, ended up camping at a nice tent pad another half mile on his suggestion.

Day 2
Woke early and hobbled along the rest of the Little Blue, admiring the geologic structures by the twin light of mostly-full moon and slowly-waking sun. Cut over on 609 (which was labeled Horse Mountain Connector by a sign), which was faint yet easy, before bumping into Cow Flat. This trail was fantastic and won the Trail of the Day award. It has variety, several awesome rest spots, and very creative construction. There was also little shade and rolly rocks and catclaw, but hey, this is Arizona.

Aside: there was a feed bag at Ladrone Spring, within a few feet of the campfire ring. This seems bad.

The furnace was alive and kicking when I entered the wide riverbed of the Blue River, and between that and the intermittent trail and the sand and the rock-hopping on sore feet, the next three hours were No Fun. The flow itself was dark and silty, and the tributaries were mostly dry, so I had to filter the questionable river and hope that the aftertaste was 'charm'. When I exited the trail I was immediately yelled at by the landowner who claims there is no way to reach the northern trailhead without trespassing. Anyways, reached Cole Flat by 2pm, thought about heading up Steeple, looked at the gathering storm clouds above and my stupid boots below, and crashed. The next few hours were a delightful mix of reading in a hammock, munching on snacks, and napping in the tent under the patter and rumble of storms that most of Arizona seems to have missed out on this year.

Day 3
Another early start. Yesterday's extra rest proved well worth it, as I was able to zip up the first few miles of Steeple quickly, not letting the sun touch me until I was on KP Mesa. This trail was in great shape and I trotted along easily, enjoying the big views. Mud Spring was totally dry so I pushed on to the next marked spring on the topo to water up. My original plan was to cut over on Paradise and retrace Upper Grant Creek, but the thought of cutting a few miles and completing Lee & Katie's full loop was tempting, so I stuck to Steeple.

That drainage lasted an eternity. Every hundred yards or so there'd be a long patch of locusts to push through, and there was deadfall too, but I only lost the trail once, so I was happy about the condition. The sun and lack of wind were the real pain points on this section - otherwise, this trail is in no worse shape than some of the nightmares in the Mazatzal or Sierra Ancha. I crested in two hours and cruised the final miles happily, already planning future revisits.
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Great pools for filtering.

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Happy little trough.

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Flowing along most of the last few miles of trail, only drying up for the final mile.

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Dry at mount, flowing at Largo Trail junction.

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Spring was dry, creek was dry. Did not venture down creek of topo locale. Springs another half mile upstream had several pools of water.

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Muddy pools of water below the trail.
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Return to the Blue, AZ 
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1st trip
I have envisioned this backpack, or variations of it for several years now. But ambitious summer trips, climbing, terrible trails and dogs always prevented the idea from coming to fruition. However, the stars began to align for a proper return to the Blue earlier this year when my interest in the area was reignited by a quick weekend trip there in the spring and when I got word that some of the upper trails had been cleared.

Day 1: 13.1 miles

Our backpack began and ended at the Steeple/Foot Creek Trailhead. We started off on the Steeple Trail #73 and cruised down to the junction for the primitive Upper Grant Creek Trail. Steeple endured some winter deadfall, but the trail showed signs of having been worked on and was generally in great shape. The Upper Grant Creek trail has been transformed since the last time I saw it and is in great shape. It was definitely not the trail Blanco and I turned around on dejectedly several years ago while trying to reach the Grant Creek Cabin. From the Grant Creek Cabin, we took the always pleasant Paradise Trail to Paradise Park and the Grant Creek Trail. We made a stop at White Oak Spring along the way and then I showed Katie some granaries I had found in the area a few years ago. My memory of where the granaries were remained good, however, my memory of the distance was not so good. I told Katie about a tenth of a mile off trail and they proved to be about a steep and loose half mile off trail. My favorite camping spot along lower Grant Creek was taken by a local family, so we resorted to camping among the cows and their feces.

Day 2: 15.75 miles

After wading through a few hundred herd of cattle we reached the Blue early on the second morning. The road was mundane and a little warm despite the early start. It was familiar trails to Bear Valley and they all were in great shape. We enjoyed a nice afternoon in the valley of the bears and a long night of sleep.

Day 3: 12 miles

We began day three with the short, but stunning section of the Little Blue down stream of Bear Valley. After that we took for my first time an informal trail just numbered 609 on my map to the Cow Flat Trail. Trail 609 proved to be more than just a number and was actually quite pleasant for the majority of the trail. Cow Flat was a lot greener than the last time I hiked it, so that was nice, but I still found the trail a tad mundane and it seemed to drag on a little in the heat. After a stop at my favorite spring and waterfall, we finally started making our way up the Blue. We were a little beat upon hitting the Blue and took a couple of extended breaks along the way with some swimming. We ended up calling it a day near Tornado Canyon and made camp by the old barn.

Day 4: 13 miles

We got an early start on the fourth morning to go explore a side canyon that was alluded to in an archaeological report written about the area in the early 1900s. Apart from being referred to as a geological wonder, the canyon was said to house at one time the largest known prehistoric ceremonial cave in the southwest at 10,000 square feet. Everything written about the canyon long ago was true.
...a canyon which, though short and shut in by very steep walls, contains scenery worthy of the highest admiration for its combined beauty and grandeur.


A trickling three-tiered slick rock waterfall guarded the entrance to the canyon and we had to take a bypass just to reach the interior. By this point we were already satisfied with our exploration, as we were immediately able to confirm that the window we saw in a distance from the Blue was actually a very large arch. Naturally, we made the scramble to the base of the arch to investigate. The scramble was steep and loose and required a little class four climbing to reach, but it was worth the effort. The arch was tall and dramatic and a pretty stunning feature to stand under. Further exploration up canyon revealed the cave to us. Like any cave, the cave was hard to capture, but stunning to stand in. The cave had been pretty badly picked over by ranchers and pot hunters over the year, but some crumbling walls helped the imagination. We spent as much time in the cave as we could and I found some other crumbled walls under many overhangs throughout the canyon, but we knew the hardest part of our day loomed ahead, as we still needed to begin our relentless climb of the Steeple Trail.

The climb up to KP and Steeple Mesas was as relentless as I had remembered. However, a few years of recovery and a much greener backdrop, led to the climb being more scenic than I had remembered. We ended our day at Mud Spring. The spring´s name did not inspire much faith in the area being nice, but overall it proved to be a very pleasant destination. The spring had good camping and was flowing nicely. The area represented an almost exact line of where the forest had suffered near 100 percent devastation and where a pocket of trees had survived. Luckily, the camping and trees were under the pocket of trees that survived.

Day 5: 8 miles

We had two options to complete our backpack. There was the Paradise Trail option back to Moonshine Park and then the same stretch of Grant Creek we began on to finish, or a commitment to nearly four miles of unknown trail via the Steeple Trail back to the rim. We went with the Steeple finish because I had never traveled that section of trail and I was interested to know if Steeple went cleanly all the way to the Blue. As it turned out that stretch of Steeple was by far the worst trail we encountered in our five days. The New Mexican Locust has literally devoured the trail in spots and it was a constant bushwhack to the rim. The locust was so bad in spots that we had to detour to the burnt hillside for awhile to bypass it. The tread however, was still generally there. There is just a tremendous amount of overgrowth on and across the trail. Through a little grit though we finally reached the intersection with the KP Rim Trail where the FS had quit with their maintenance of Steeple a year ago. From there is was cruiser to the trailhead.

Final Notes:

It was nice to finally knock out the entire length of the Steeple Trail. The trail is not impassable from Mud Spring to the KP Rim intersection, but I would not recommend it. If making a loop with rim in this area, the best bet most likely seems to be utilizing the Moonshine Park route back to Grant Creek.

Upper Grant Creek Trail is a worthy destination again. The trail is still considered a primitive trail, but the FS has that one in great shape again.

The cattle are ruining lower Grant Creek. I have never seen so many cattle in the Blue before. They have eaten everything green down there except the poison ivy. How is having this many head of cattle grazing there helping with restoring Grant Creek post Wallow Fire?

Eastern Trails were in great shape.

The Blue is back. Well not all the way, but I know for myself I am not excited to get back out there and continue to utilize some of these newly cleared trails. Likewise, the forest is finally starting to rebound at a more noticeable level. The aspen are coming in nicely in spots and there are far more signs of green life than when I started going to the area in 2014.

Katie is really into birds. I am becoming a reluctant birder. I am only really into hawks and eagles. On this trip we saw a: Bald Eagle, Northern Harrier, Ferriginous Hawk, Red Tailed Hawk and a Common Black Hawk.
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Deep pool of water in natural, ¨tank¨

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Large section of canyon and spring is flowing nicely.

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Same steady, consistent flow as always.

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Flowing from spring to Blue

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Flowing nicely for a mile or so out of Bear Valley

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Creek bed is flowing near spring, and mud bank is dripping steadily. Good camping near spring.

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Two over-flowing troughs

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A few deeper mud puddles, but I would not count on for water.
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Jul 20 2018
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 Mesa, AZ
Moonshine Park - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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1st trip
This being the last weekend before my family comes back from Europe, I planned a trip to the White Mountains. This was the first of three hikes. Wally and I left Mesa about 4:45am and arrived at the trailhead a little after 9am. There was a 50% chance of thunderstorms for that weekend, but when we arrived, the skies were clear.

The main comment I have is that the official HAZ route for this hike needs to be retired with that designation. JJ's route should be the official route. This hike is a solid 11 miles, and we turned it into more than that with some missed turnoffs, and a couple mistakes in navigation. We noticed that the official route was off about a mile in after the first trail junction for Grant Creek. We took the right trail, but we weren't on the track. I could tell that we were headed in the right direction eventually, so I thought maybe the trail was re-routed. As the Grant Creek Trail descended, the views started to get really nice.

Later on, Wally and I missed the junction for the Paradise Trail. I had actually seen the marker, but it was nailed to a tree instead of on a post, so I had thought it was just labeling the trail. A few minutes later I decided to check my GPS and saw that we were off route and had missed the turnoff. Right about htat time at 11am, we heard the first rolls of thunder.

Once we were on the Paradise Trail, I noticed again that we weren't on the track. We still were going in the right general direction, but we were pretty far off from the offical route. Looking later, I can see that JJ's route is a way more accurate one for the actual trails out there.

This became a factor for us soon enough because we saw the trail split in two. The one trail headed downhill, and looked like it headed closer to Moonshine Park than the other one, and was closer to the "official" route. This trail dead ended at a wash in a narrow gorge, next to a bog. It also lost us over 100' of elevation. We decided to head back up. Wally was ahead of me and missed the turnoff on our way down and kept going back the wrong way, similar to what he and Joe did back in February on Oracle Ridge. I didn't miss it and quickly realized that he had gone the wrong way because I should have been able to see him along the trail.

After I got to the point where you have to go off trail to get to Moonshine Park, I called Wally and could hear him calling back. I headed towards Moonshine Park on a faint trail that follows the creek until I saw Wally. I told him to make a sharp left at the creek crossing.

Eventually you do have to go off trail to get to Moonshine Park. I had a hard time figuring out where to go and thought we needed to go up another 100'+ to a stand of Ponderosas I could see. To get there we needed to go through some very steep, loose rock and heavy vegetation. Wally was not enthused, but didn't complain. About halfway there, I looked at my GPS again, looked downhill and to the left and saw Moonshine Park. Sorry, Wally. Going back down was marginally easier than going up. We had lunch at the park and headed back.

We missed the turnoff again to the Grant Cabin Shortcut Trail, which was actulaly good because we got to see the remains of the cabin. The hike back up Grant Creek Trail was a bit of a slog, mainly because of the extra energy expended on our side excursions. Towards the top of Grant Creek, a fighter jet flew over the trees, making some of the most hellacious noise I've ever heard. I saw a fighter jet once before at Picacho Peak, but this one was way louder. My reaction was to hit the deck as it was at its loudest and closest.

The last mile the thunder got a little louder and more often, but no close strikes. Got lucky to end the hike without getting rained on, unlike the previous weekend.
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Grant Creek Trail #75 - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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My friend Tom and I really like the Blue Range Primitive Area. It has spectacular scenery and a remoteness you don’t often find. I’ve been to the Blues 3 times for a total of 7 days and have never seen another person. The peace and solitude is expansive. I have however heard a pack of Mexican Grey Wolves yapping and howling at 5:30 in the morning, apparently enjoying a fresh kill. I’ve heard the sound of elk bugling and watched as a good sized herd trotted off through the meadow leaving a large bull elk stand on a hill looking directly at us. He released a loud bugle, shook his horns, and slowly trotted off, obviously afraid we were after what was rightfully his. No, Mr. Elk, those little ladies are all yours! On this last trip we saw a bear some distance away which quickly disappeared into the brush. Hmmm. The Blue Range is truly a special place.

There are a couple of different way to get to get to Grant Creek #75 but we decided to start out at the #326 trailhead. This TH is on Hwy 191 and is about 3 miles before you get to Hannigan’s Meadow on the left side of the road. After a short hike, #326 intersects with Foote Creek Trail #76. Turn left on Foote Creek and go past P Bar Lake. P Bar Lake really isn’t a lake. It’s a large mud hole. I wouldn’t want to have to get water out of it. Anyway, just past P Bar is Grant Creek Trail #75. Merge to the right and you’re on track. From here on out it’s downhill. Literally. If you decide to go all the way down to the Blue River, which is about 5450’, you’re looking at an elevation difference of 3500-4000’. Not bad if you’re going down, but a bit of a go coming back up.

We stayed at White Oak Spring, which is about 4 miles in. We got there just a little after dark on a Friday and set up camp. It was a pleasantly cool night. The crickets were chirping and the air was still. We ate a well-deserved meal and just after we finished, it started raining. That seems to be our luck as of late. At least it waited until we finished eating. The next morning, we went to get water, which was only a couple of hundred yards away. The first thing I noticed were several piles of bear scat on the trail to the spring. About six of them to be exact. That caused us both to take notice. More on that later. Anyway, White Oak Spring is a good source of fresh water. After filling up, we decided to leave our camp where it was, hike down to Grant Creek proper, explore some of the side canyons, and hike back up to our camp. That way we wouldn’t have such a long uphill march from Grant Creek with full packs when we left the next day. We could leave from White Oak Spring. I’m glad we did it this way.

Grant Creek is a very nice little creek. I wish we had time to follow it all the way down to the Blue River, but time was not on our side. There are trout in this stream, which is nice. While exploring one of the side canyons we came upon the track of what appeared to be a bobcat, or similar feline. Nice find. After a day of exploring, we went back up to camp and relaxed the rest of the day. After dinner, a miracle happened: it didn’t rain. Woohoo!

We had a great night with temps down to about 40 degrees. The night stars were in full array and the impossibly bright Orion constellation loomed over us like a heavenly guardian. I slept well.
The next day woke warm and bright. After breakfast, I went out to look for a convenient tree to finish things up, and that’s when I saw it, about 100’ from our site: bear scat, which looked exceptionally fresh to my eyes. I’m not talking a couple of piles either. Within a diameter of about 30’ I counted 20 piles of bear scat. And I didn’t even look that well. I swear that some piles were so large they wouldn’t fit in a gallon jug. I quit looking after 20 because the more I looked, the more I found. It was like a bear poop graveyard. That made me kind of nervous. The only thing that gave me any consolation was the fact that every single pile was composed of berries. Berries, berries, berries. All piles were the same, some were just larger than others. I don’t know what kind of berries they were (juniper??), but at least I didn’t see any bones, fur, or bells. That’s a good thing, I think… That little find motivated me to move a little quicker (pun intended), so with a newfound spring in my step I hurried on back to camp to finish getting packed up. As we left through the barbed wire gate we noticed a big tuft of hair on it. I’ll give one guess as to what it was…

Anyway, the Blues are special, but there are a few things you should be aware of. The trails are not highly populated, which leaves them vulnerable to nature and makes them somewhat difficult to follow at times. There are a lot of dead and downed trees which can complicate matters. There appears to be very little (read: zero) trail maintenance done. On our way going down, we got off track several times, and if it weren’t for my GPS app (BC Navigator), we would probably still be there. To be fair however, we did follow the marked trail back up from Grant Creek to the trailhead and didn’t stray once. I haven’t figured that one out yet. To be safe, I would suggest taking your GPS if you have one. I would also prepare myself mentally for bears. If you’re lucky, you might not see one. If you’re lucky, you just might see one. Go figure!
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Leaves are beginning to turn. Both the oaks and poplars were turning yellow, making for a nice contrast to the pines.

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Not only can you get water, but fish as well.

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Mud, mud, mud.

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Good source of water. Every other animal in the area seems to agree. Especially the bears.
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Grant Creek Trail #75 - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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1st trip
I made another pilgrimage to the Blue Range this holiday weekend, but with company for a change. I took Jackie and the pack down to the cabin site on Grant Creek for a day of fishing and checking Moonshine Park off the to do list. The fishing was great and Moonshine Park proved to be a worthy side trip.

We hiked in the recently cleared P-Bar Lake Trail to Foot Creek and then down Grant to the cabin site. After about 15 minutes at the site, Jackie said, "Blanco smells something," I said, "I know probably a squirrel." Then moments later a bear went shooting out of the creek bed up the steep slopes of the canyon. Jackie's main goal was to see a bear over the weekend and we checked that off the list after a mere 15 minutes at camp! Although, Jackie was a little confused about the cinnamon color, having only seen a couple black bears in PA and may have double checked google on the way home to make sure it was not a grizzly that we saw. The fishing was great and I may have caught one of the largest Apache Trout most will ever see, but did release in good health. Moonshine Park is in great shape and is a gem of a little spot out there, but the trail is in need of some work. Great over night temps a lazy start the next day, a detour to Paradise Park and trail on the way back. We did not see anyone on the trails the entire time.

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Grant Creek Trail #75 - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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Great hike down into Grant Creek. I went in via trail #326 to P-Bar Lake, then down trail #75 and the #306 Grant Cabin Shortcut. The burned sections really opened the views down into the Blue. Once I got down to Grant Cabin, I only fished about a mile towards Moonshine Park before I had to head back.
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Upper Grant Creek Trail #65 - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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Not having been on this 'trail' since before the Wallow burn I was overdue. Well..maybe it should be re-named the 'Boot-camp Trail'. Although ruggedly beautiful, it was a full-body workout climbing up, over and around all of the dead-fall - especially with an overnight backpack. The upside of this rough travel (keeping fisherman impact to a minimum) is that the fish are abundant.
We started down the Steeple Trail 73 toward Grant Creek, originally planning to form a loop using the 65 trail downstream to the 305 trail to return. But after the blistering average down Upper Grant 65(< 2mph) and expecting the same on the 305 we decided to head out the 306, 75 and 76 trails.
306 is well-constructed and mostly undamaged by fire - beautiful. Once on the 75 it was still undamaged at the lower end but the upper reaches were fire-damaged with some dead-fall - although by Trail(?) 65 standards it was clear-sailing. The 76 trail to the west is about 80% fire-damaged but there ARE areas where you can see remnants of its former glory. Workarounds for dead-fall are straightforward.
We were visited by a 20 minute hail-storm and deluge at the end of the hike, offering a welcome coolness to the air.

NOTES: Although labeled here on HAZ as Trail 74, on maps and signage Grant Creek Trail is labeled as 75 - Important as most maps of the Blue list just the trail number, not the name.

One in our group short-cutted down Trail 326 and reported that it was pretty clear sailing and a pretty hike.
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Blue Range loop, AZ 
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1st trip
Well this trip took the cake for pushing the limits...

We started off with a few ideas (VERY lofty ones as we quickly learned) about how much mileage we could put behind us in this area. In the end it took everything just to make it through the sub-12-mile route we ended up taking.

Things started off well heading down Upper Grant Creek trail, but a few miles in it got pretty nasty. The amount of deadfall was painfully excessive, and trail maintenance seems to be a thing of the past in this area. A lot of blockages could be hopped right over, but a few required scaling the steep/loose walls bush-whack style in order to try to get back to an already faint trail in many areas. One detour in particular had us crawling all over the north side of the canyon to meet back up with what the USGS maps show as the trail. Suffice it to say it was never found and it took a LOT of route finding and effort to get back to another leg of the trail.

This drained us physically and mentally which made the rest of the day pretty craptastic. Eventually we ran out of light on our way to Moonshine Park and were lucky enough to make it to the corral. We would've taken ANY flat ground for the night, but this was a beautiful campsite with fire ring, log seating, close water, and just the right mix of shade and open spots free of widowmakers.

Day 2 was fun as we started off and had decided to just head straight north to meet up with the Foote Creek trail. Missing the turn which must've been just on the edge of the corral campsite, we had to make a short backtrack and bushwhack to get onto the switchbacks.

Following the shortcut trail we quickly met up with the Grant Creek trail and the ascent was on. Views were pretty epic.

Shortly after connecting to Grant Creek trail, we hit the little valley/u-turn with the spring-fed water which was flowing well enough to top off. Another quick look at the map and we decided that we need to load up on water as there might not be any accessible water the rest of the trip. this turned out to be a good choice as the only water we saw from here on out was p-bar 'lake'. Suffice it to say that there was no way we were going to filter that mess.

Eventually we made it to p-bar and the connection to Foote Creek trail. We went west for a short bit and picked the first spot just off trail that we could find with any flat ground. Not a lotta good options for camping along this area, and in hindsight I think we should've camped just prior to the Foote Creek trail connection, but there is no way we were gonna burn more time/energy backtracking at this point. More exposure due to lack of canopy, steep grades, and 6 liters of water each had beaten us well.

Day 3 was a trudge back to the Hannagan Meadow trailhead that we THOUGHT would be a pleasant change of pace. The terrain wasn't too bad, but the deadfall continued to hamper progress, and there were more large swaths of burn area that kept us roasting in the sun. Some time later, and a few trail signs, we saw the wooden gate frame at the trailhead and the ice cold water stored in the vehicle had NEVER tasted so good.
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Primitive Blue Range East, AZ 
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I made another semi ambitious trek into the Primitive Blue Range. More specifically, I made my first significant indents into the more remote eastern portions. I say "semi ambitious" because I took along Cup and had to scale back some of my ambitions. However, Cup ended up doing just fine, Blanco loved carrying her food and we only had to alter our day two plans slightly in her consideration.

Day 1: I stayed at the Foot Creek Trail head and decided to just make the quick 2-3 mile drive up 191 in the morning to the trail head for P-Bar Lake Trail. Foot Creek TH is further off road has basic restroom facilities and forest service does not mind. The P-Bar Lake Trail is literally just a pull-off on side of road, not conducive to car camping with dogs. Day one miles seemed to go by and pile up fast. Grant Creek Trail is a really solid trail with minimal areas of complete fire devastation. The Paradise Park area is certainly in recovery phase, but looking very promising, with some stubborn ponderosa still alive and healthy guarding the meadows edges and several young 3-5 feet pine starting over among a mixture of fast growing aspen. Grant Creek Trail is a tad bittersweet though, as one can't help but think that eventually 9000 feet will have to be reached again after hitting a trip low of about 5,100 feet above sea level on the first day. Made camp at the intersections of Lanphier and Largo Canyon, great spot, probably pushed cup a little hard, (16.5 miles)threatened several times to storm but no significant rain.

Day 2I wanted to go the Bear Mountain look out, but Cup was a little beat after a tough day one, so I decided to skip Bear Mountain and return to the Blue River via Telephone Ridge Trail and Sawmill Trail. Was nice to finally get some data for this area of Primitive Blue Range. It will come in handy when I make my next trek there, hopefully to finally include a little dual state action and a quick cross over into New Mexico. Something I think Blanco and I could have knocked out with about a 55 to 60 mile trip, oh and maybe another day. Day two camp superb, had Cup off trail very early in afternoon, read some, prepped camp, cooled off in creek.

Day 3: A pretty standard hike out, however, did make a slight detour back down to Grant Creek via Paradise Trail #74. I am just trying to accumulate as much info for this area as I can, and I had not did that trail yet. In terms of miles, small detour, however, certainly added some more AEG to hike that I probably did not need and Cup almost certainly did not want. But the trail proved to be great! A real slice of "paradise" in spots, a tad tough to pick up near creek, some dead fall and erosion have really taken their toll on this trail's once much deeper cuts along the steep hillside leading down into Grant Creek. For a good laugh see my GPS Track where I turned around to go get my nice 16 dollar map, then stopped just under two tenths of a mile to return to pack where I was now sure I put it. Nope not in pack went back for map again, found about 100-200 feet further up trail from when I turned around first time. I had set map down to move a log in trail, never picked back up, but certainly not to proud to turn around twice in an attempt to recoup a $16.95 map.

Final Notes: AEG is probably a tad inflated, however, hard to hide from AEG in Primitive Blue Range easy to rack up out there and while it may look high, it is probably not as off as some might think.

Had to do more road walking then what I generaly like, but spirits were brightened by seeing a random white van with no windows driving around remote back roads with a personalized plate reading AMBRLRT, my thoughts exactly! At least he comes about it honestly.

Product Review I brought out my new Big Agnes Fly Creek 2 Platinum. Two thumbs up, was initially worried about durability with dogs, however, had both in tent by second night, no issues. So light and compact, found myself stopping to make sure I packed tent! I was not able to field test it in a good storm, but nice results for steady lighter drizzles.
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Blue Range Primitive Area, AZ 
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Backpack avatar Jun 21 2014
FOTGTriplogs 1,052
Backpack41.79 Miles 9,841 AEG
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Made another pilgrimage east to the Apache-Sitgreaves, more specifically the Primitive Blue Range area, or as my map says the Blue Range Wilderness and Primitive Area. However, even the latter is a bit of a misnomer, as currently the Blue Range has not achieved wilderness status in the eyes of Congress and to this day remains the last "primitive" designated area in the United States. Not sure what any of that means, however, anyone who knows me, knows that I would have a natural attraction to any area with the word primitive in its title. Similarly, since my first visit about a year ago, this area has really intrigued me. It was in this are that Aldo Leopold (arguably the founding father in American conservationism and ecology) obtained his first position working under the federal forest service. Leopold saw much in his day, he spoke fondly of the "mountain" in fact, one of his most famous written works, "Thinking Like a Mountain" is based off of his expediences in and around Escudilla and the Escudilla Wilderness area. So the question for me: could I find what gravitated Leopold to this area and transformed him into perhaps America's first conservationists, but 100 years later and after the greatest forest fire the Southwest has seen in contemporary times? Spoiler alert the answer is a resounding yes!

A chance encounter with a game warden around 10:00 p.m. on Friday changed my plans slightly for the three days. He had personally just conducted a "shocking" and fish count of Grant Creek and gave me some pointers on where all the trout were congregated. However, if I were to hit these areas, I would have to modify my original route of Grant Creek Trail which stays high above the creek until crossing around the lower elevations where the Game Warden officer told me all the fish had been killed or can no longer exist due to warmer water temps caused by the destroying of their natural shade and the naturally warmer water at lower elevations. So from the intersection of trails #76 Foot Creek and #75 Grant Creek I took trail #306 down to Grant Creek and decided I would just fish and hike the whole stream length off-trail to its southern intersection with trail #75. If the fishing and beauty of Grant Creek were not as great as they were, this might have turned out to be a negative experience. Movement down stream was very slow at times, however, as I stated earlier the fishing was amazing and the creek beautiful so it negated the slow moving pace of boulder hoping, and down climbing water falls complete with three day pack and pole in hand, oh and along with keeping Blanco floating and upright through some of the deeper pools and obstacles. From there I made good time to the Blue River, passed through a little bit of civilization as I walked the forest road that connected my ambitious loop. I took the first opportunity to camp at a place marked the "box" on my map. This was one of first areas where there were not a dozen no trespassing signs or signs proclaiming the owner's willingness to shoot me if I stepped foot on their property. Day one turned out to be a little over 17 miles, camping was nice, but not spectacular, ate well, slept well.

I thought day 2 would be a much easier day, however, that did not turn out to be necessarily true, thanks in part to some of my decision making. I hate to give a negative trail description, because with trails everyone has their own opinions, and I would not want to steer someone away from an area. However, Steeple Trail #73 is probably a trail one could leave off their to do list for the time being. The upper sections of the trail have really been damage by fire and the trip across KP Mesa is enough to make one yearn for a very quick change of scenery. However, that is simply not the case as you seem to hike forever to simply cross KP Mesa's fire damaged landscape where one can easily see areas that suffered 100 percent devastation from fire. From Steeple Trail #73 I took trail #70 into the KP Creek area. However, this trail got no better! In fact, I will give a fair warning, if you do not have a G.P.S route for this trail or sound topo reading skills, I would avoid this section of trail all together. One can safely say to some degree that this trail ceases to exist in several spots, littered with dead fall, washed out and very faint in the good spots. Nevertheless, we were doing just fine, traversing the several drainages leading to K.P. when I had the great decision to cut a mile or so off route and explore some off-trail sections of K.P. Creek. The whole situation reminded me of something my friend Jim always says when I am pondering short-cuts and more direct off trail routes. He always says, "if that way is shorter or easier, that would be the way." Well in this case that held to be 100% true. I could tell from cliffs along opposite side of creek that there was potential for not being able to cut down to creek and man did that hold true, cliffed out once, then took a side drainage only to come to an impassible pour-over so intimidating that I did not even snap a photo, Blanco and I finally broke through down about a 4-5 foot wide scree shoot, hit the creek where Blanco drank profusely and I silently chastised myself. One would think at this stage in the game I was done making those kind of mistakes, but something tells me that won't be the last time. We slowly made our way up the lower section of K.P Creek where the trail is a little tough to follow and made camp at a superb location.

The final day was just an easy hike up K.P. Creek to K.P. Rim Trail, back to the upper section of Steeple Trail and back to the TH. Everything on this hike went well except finding my short connector trail to complete my K.P. Rim loop. Similar to the hike description, the turn-off for the trail is very hard to find and the forest fire certainly did not make it any easier. In fact, the author wrote had we not had the route downloaded we would have never found the turn-off. Unfortunately, the author failed to post "said" route to description, I guess his way of adding a little excitement for the next guy, we found it but you are on your own I guess. After accepting defeat I was reserved to back-track and make the less than 2 mile trek down 191 to my TH. However, this whole thought was leaving a bitter taste in my mouth, almost like a surrender, or a walk of shame in my mind. First a small voice contemplated just going off-trail the whole way until I found something to walk on. However, this voice was quickly drowned out by about 1000 sane other voices in my head who still had yesterday's folly fresh in their minds and they quickly and probably for the better got that thought out of my head. I then looked down and could clearly see the meadow I needed to get to, but no trail to get there. I said to myself I will go exactly .25 miles to meadow look for Steeple Trail #73, if I don't find, I turn right around. As luck would have it, after about 100 feet off trail I ran into my long lost connector trail.

The trail now ran in a complete opposite direction of the trail featured on my G.P.S! Oh well no time to curse and dwell, I was happy to be on trails and heading back to car, went through some pretty bad burnt out sections, but oddly enough found some beauty in them. Whether it was the stubborn trees that refused to burn or the half million or so 5 to 15 feet tall Aspen blowing fiercely in the wind and the numerous reinvigorated meadows and cienegas, I found beauty in it all.

Even with the adventure in finding my connector trail, Blanco and I still hit TH by 11:30 in morning.

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HAZ Appreciation I used a hike description from Arizonaed written in 2004 and it turned out to be pretty much spot on. Which is something to say, as he obviously wrote pre-Bear Wallow Fire. Route might need some small adjustments, but overall great hike description!
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Moonshine Park - Blue RangeAlpine, AZ
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Hiking avatar Apr 12 2012
JuanJaimeiiiTriplogs 2,400
Hiking11.30 Miles 2,743 AEG
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Hiked this one a week ago but the last part of it was in the dark. I also didn't have time last week to make it out to "Moonshine Park". I figured given the name of the hike and all I had better go back and complete the mission. I also wanted to see where I got off track last week on the return. From the Grant Cabin going North on the Grant Cabin Shortcut Trail I got off course a little. I figured it happened because it was dark and that today it wouldn't happen again. Well guess what, it did. Once back on track I decided to go the opposite direction (counter clockwise) in the area where I got off track and try and connect the dots. Ah ha! I figured out the problem. The trail isn't there anymore! There is a short section (maybe a tenth of a mile) that got washed out in a large rock slide. Well at least I know now. Either way you can't really get lost here because you are following a drainage up.

Also worth noting is that there isn't an actual trail for the last couple hundred yards to Moonshine Park. Scott Warren mentions this in his book as well. Once at the end of the trail just turn right and head for the base of the tall mountain in the distance. It is a big open meadow.

Almost all the snow had melted in the last week and I only saw one deer. No other wildlife this trip.
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