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Mar 11 2023
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Superstition Wilderness - GET #1Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking31.26 Miles 5,620 AEG
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RouteScout started acting stupid once I reached Charlebois, so I suspect the recorded AEG for this hike isn't correct. At one point, it announced I hiked a nine and then three minute mile. Whatever. Starting at First Water TH, I made it to Tortilla Pass in eight hours and Angel Basin in nine. The Hoolie Bacon and JF sections are uninspiring, burnt nothingness. The rugged, beautiful, enchanting highlights are definitely the La Barge Box and Rogers Canyon. Most dangerous part of this trip was the motorcycle ride home, but lane-splitting the Ren Fest traffic was a bonus.

Edit: Joe was kind enough to point out that this hike was about 6491' AEG total. Thanks for doing that, you won't get that type of service from AllFails or OnX. I'll keep it posted as 5620' AEG, so that Joe can catch up with his bum knee!?! : wink :
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JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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Nice day of hiking on the JF trail from Tortilla 2WD to Tortilla Pass and back (Fr 213 and FJ trail). Once on the JF Trail I settled into a steady pace. Did get off trail a handful of times but located cairans quickly and continued on course. I "beefed up" the cairns in some places making it much easier to navigate on my return. Numerous sections of catclaw but nothing too difficult to go through or around. Clover Spring running good. Lost the trail most frequently the last half mile before Tortilla Pass but corrected easily enough. The creek closest to Tortilla Pass was flowing well. I love this trail and certainly the solitude that comes with back country hiking in the Supes.
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JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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A hike with the boys out the JF trail to Tortilla Pass and back. The trail is over grown and difficult to follow in some areas. You would be on the trail and it would seem to disappear. The weather was nice and the company was good. We broke off and met up again several times along the way. It's been a while since I hiked the middle section of the JF Trail. While not an exciting trail, I found the views along the way to be worthwhile. The drive on FR213 is rough and getting worse every year. Thanks to Jason for the ride.
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JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking12.86 Miles 2,610 AEG
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This one has been in the works for a while. I haven't been out to the Tortilla TH since 2006 when I first bought the Xterra. Once I had hiked the trails there, I moved on to other adventures. Last year when we went to 4Peaks, I ended up having to replace all the shocks and struts mainly due to age and the wear and tear of what little 4x4 driving I've done over 16 years. Wally is always game for anywhere in the Supes and has a new 4x4. But he's no sucker. Andy was all in an volunteered to drive. His health issues pushed the hike back a bit, but then last week he did a different hike from the same TH and did some damage to his suspension. Jason came through as our hero with his brand new 4x4 and was even able to fit 6 of us into it. We did have to vacate his vehicle over the worst spots since that much weight was causing it to bottom out over quite a bit, but no one was complaining.

The actual hiking portion of the day was a slog. A mile and a half of the trail on either end by the trailhead or the junction on the east end are pretty good, probably because that receives the most traffic. The 3 miles of no man's land in between are the worst. There really isn't any crazy overgrowth, like the monster manzanita you can see after a fire, but the catclaw can be troublesome. In quite a few spots there were fully grown century plants or even trees right in the middle of the trail, so it's pretty obvious that zero maintenance is ever done on this trail. The loose rock in these sections is really what makes it bad, in conjunction with the constant route finding. It's slow going most of the way, and while it isn't really taxing in a cardiovascular sense, you need to have patience and sustained concentration.

Despite that element of the hike, it was actually a really fun day. The scenery along this trail is fantastic. Four Peaks is visible most of the time, as well as Superstition Mountain and various landmarks in the Supes. The geology and the lighting really enhances the views. The weather was fantastic as well. Clear skies made for good pictures, and it wasn't too cold or too hot. I didn't need my usual extra layer for AZ winter hiking, and I even too off my sweatshirt by the afternoon. And hiking with a larger group is always fun. Lots of one liner jokes made the day fun and it always helps to share your grief and get the verification that you're not the only one who's annoyed by the lack of an actual trail in several spots.

The first mile or so, I hardly checked my GPS since the trail wasn't too bad. Then once it started to fade out, I kept following where the group ahead of me were, which turned out in many cases to be not on trail. By the 3rd mile, I was routinely checking my GPS and several times redirecting the other 5 blind mice back on trail in the rare instances when I was able to pass them.

Towards the start of the hike, Wally and Scott took a detour and went to a mine in the wash south of the trail and quickly made their way back to our group. Wally said you can usually go into the mine, but the recent rains have led to water that currently has flooded it. the group mainly stayed together after that minus me since I hike so much slower. They kindly waited on me a few times and then straggled a bit as I mentioned due to the route finding issues. As we approached the junction at Tortilla Pass, I could tell when Andy and Jason were getting off trail because I was catching up to them.

We had lunch at Tortilla Pass and within 15 minutes I had a bee hovering around my lunch and Gatorades, as is usually the case. It's been frustrating dealing with this, but I'm at the point where I've accepted if I'm drinking sweet flavored drinks, the bees will come. Wally still had a chuckle.

I got to the trailhead about 4pm. Wally, Scott and Johnny had been waiting for an hour so Scott took a detour hike to the ranch to take photos. The drive out was just as interesting as the drive in. I lucked out with the front seat since Scott was sightseeing, and when we emptied out again over the rough spots, at one point I helped Jason and acted as a spotter. At one point he had 2 tires off the ground and I was scared that he might tip. I directed him to turn the wheel hard to the left which quickly stabilized everything once he gave a bit of gas. The stressful look on his face through this section reminded me of when I drove this in the Xterra and why I was looking for a volunteer for this go 'round. Thank you again Jason for driving us out and back of 3 miles of some of the roughest roads in AZ. We were talking about how the road seems to have got worse, but I mentioned that it may also be because we're all 10 years older now so things might seem scarier now that we're older. It's probably a bit of both.

And just for posterity's sake, here's the Youtube link to the heyday of the Stillermobile, back when it was all of 2 weeks old:

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Jan 07 2023
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JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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A hike planned for some time, we finally made it out to the Tortilla Trailhead.

It was Jason's turn to punish his vehicle, so we all piled into the 4runner like a clown car and drove down the manicured and groomed FS213 to the end to start up the JF to the pass.

The weather was very nice all day, a little cool at the start, but we all started to shed layers once the climbing started. Except of course, Jason, who was outfitted in a t-shirt and shorts from the get-go.

The trail was easy to follow for the first mile, then it would fade in and out. It was easy to see where the trail should be, but there were times it was a search for cairns in the distance to figure out which way to go. The fires and the rain erosion has really worn away a good portion of this trail in certain spots.

We made it up to the pass and had a pitstop and a rest. Chris rolled out his usual 5 course lunch, complete with hot sauce.

On the way back the sun started warming things up, but it still stayed very pleasant for all of the hike. Wally could not standing hiking so slow, so he took off and Scott and my son Johnny soon followed. That left me, Jason and Chris hiking our normal human speeds. They beat us back to the truck pretty badly. But, Jason had the keys, so they had to wait.

I have not hiked this portion of this trail before. I've been up to the pass from the other side, but not from this starting point. It was a good solid hike. Without some sort of maintenace or an increase in foot traffic, the JF Trail is looking a little wild. It had nice views of Fish Creek Canyon, Black Cross Butte and Tortilla Mountain. Once you climbed up high enough, the vista really opened up. The skies were very clear and the view of the western Supes was very nice. Looking up the pass, Iron Mountain and White Mountain still had a little snow on top.

A good group of hikers and some very nice scenery. Thanks for planning this Chris and thanks to Scott, Wally, Jason and Johnny for an awesome hike in the Superstitions.
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JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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Scott and I met Andy, Andy's son Johnny, Wally & Chris at the lower Tortilla TH and we all piled in to my 4Runner to make the drive up the ultra smooth road to the upper TH. Johnny got the pleasure of sitting in the very back getting bounced around left and right :lol:. No other cars at the TH as we started up JF. From the fire and all the rain, erosion has taken it's toll on JF. The trail was extremely difficult to follow in several places. One minute the trail would be there and the next minute it would disappear without a trace, which made it for a slower pace and a ton of route finding. The good thing here is the amount of overgrowth is minimal, worst section is about 1.5 miles from Tortilla Pass, dropping down from the ridge, the Holly has made it's way back, but nothing you can't push through. I was the only one to wear shorts and my leg's took a beating but that's life hiking in the Supes. Nice lunch break at Tortilla Pass then we started back. There was talk about checking out Mullin Spring but it looked extremely overgrown so that talk was quickly squashed. Scott, Wally & Johnny put the afterburners on while Andy, Chris and I pulled up the rear. Once we got back to the TH, Wally & Johnny decided to take a nap waiting for us, must have been a bit :lol: The weather was nearly perfect, a little warm on the way out but not to horrible. Just another awesome day in the Supes!
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JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
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Bruce suggested JF as an out-n-back for years. Only familiar with the NW and SE ends I quickly changed the conversation.

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2017 wrote:Bruce suggested JefF out-n-back. Meh... do I know you? He came back with this loop...
A hardy loop I, I... I enjoyed. Unexpectedly found out views along the 2 miles NW of Tortilla Pass were as good as my favorites.

2019
Apprehensively suggested this 19 mi out-n-back that includes 3.1 mi along FR213. Expected the verbal whip. Nice guy responded okay let's do it.

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The road walk is what is. Senic, still a road. Kudos to thurman for hitting it twice in 7 days, my inspiration for a revisit.

A quarter mile or more of JF #106 is ankle buster rocks. They don't phase me, just a heads up for Y-Bar haters. After bonkers abundant Scorpionweed around the Valley it was a pleasant surprise to see abundant Wild Heliotrope. Which is blue, lacks scorpion curl and rancid drift.

We took a stab at the 0.2 mi offtrail adventure to Clover Spring. Seriously, who doesn't love a good spring hunt. Beats the hell out of hunting down geotrash. Threw in the towel after two yards nagged by catclaw. Further reading at home... Out of 7 reports, maybe 1 made the journey to check it. catclaw was not horrible, just a great excuse to move on.

A mile or two of trail with painful looking vegetation on both sides keeps the mini prayers rolling. From the eagle's nest on is 2.3 sweet scenic miles. Also the middle of nowhere so there is minor near and dear vegetation dodging. Not a deterrent in my opinion. Love the nearby and distant mountains, this is Arizona!

Small pools near the origin of Tortilla Creek. Lunched at Tortilla Saddle. Nice views.

Nothing overly exciting on the return. I need to bust out bigger hikes. This easy out-n-back was stinging more than it should midway back.

A rattlesnake outta nowhere on trail-left took a strike and missed me. Jumping back to the right Bruce screamed. Scared me good. First I've jumped mid jump. No photo, no proof... I know the rules. Figured it was best to not press my luck. Forever etched in my mind in slow motion like a scene from the matrix. Rattle, calm jump, figure eight twisting pretzel mid air, scream from behind, mid air compounded fear jump, thoat of beast, world's largest snake hovering back, beast landed, slithered into brush. Got lucky.

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1st hike in about six months carrying a camelbak again. Consumed 3.3 quarts. Love the fanny pack but need more water as it warms up. 614 miles on Salomon Yellow Wings Flyte 2 - 2018, thinking 700 easy. Sure I just jinxed it.
Bruce keeps asking for the term for an arch entrance to a ranch. Looked. I'm going with Ranch Entrance. A guy in a forum suggest Ranch Head Gate. Never heard that nor 1 matching google image. Related but a "headgate" is a framework designed to hold still the heads of cattle for various procedures.
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Lots of Wild Heliotrope and small daisy types. Fair variety of others.

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We just had to hit up the Superstitions before the Orb made things to warm for the rest of the season.

Driving in, just past Canyon lake, two tricked out BMW's passed me like I was standing still. I kept up with them for almost 4 feet. This is the second time this has happened to me on this road. Knowing they'd be turning around at the dirt, I carefully approached the sharp corners. The lead car got a bit sideways coming around a corner when he saw me on the return.

The road walk in does afford some good views and is a great, OK, good, warm up for a hike.

After last weeks warm temps and high winds, I expected things to be dried out. Not the case. The grasses are still green and Tortilla Creek was still flowing. I did not expect many flowers at all, but they were abundant.

JF is a bit overgrown but easily navigated. Give it a few more weeks and the Foxtail will be murderous.

At one point, about half way up, Joe remembered he brought Trimmers and made the trail at least 60% better while we hiked up.

The exciting nerve racking part of the hike, was on the return, about a half mile before hitting the wilderness boundary.

We were chattin' away, on a halfway decent section trail, maybe calve deep grass. From the left side of the trail, outta nowhere, a rather large DBack lunged at Joe. It probably struck out about 18"-24". Joe reacted by jumping and twisting to the right, landing luckily between two patches of Prickly Pear. It missed him by 12". This snake never rattled until it hit the ground after the strike at Joe.

20 minutes later, we encountered a large Kingsnake stretched across the road. This boy would not move. We snuck around him and had an uneventful remainder of the hike.

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Planned to hit three peaks from the Woodbury TH but I forgot the CamelBak bladder in fridge so with it expected to hit 100+ I just bagged the closest peak instead.
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Peak 5067 was on my list just for the views of the south side of White Mountain. There is a legendary ruin up there but at this point it seems to be just a legend. The route up 5067 was pretty easy with a little brush to push through at the start and then again near the top. The views are nice and it was interesting to see how Rogers Canyon, Fish Creek and Goat Canyon connect. For a moment I consider hiking up Peak 4765 but the terrain looked a bit rough so maybe next time. On the hike out I talked to a hunter who asked me if there was a trail up there. :lol: I told him no but the terrain isn't bad. On the way out I jumped on the ridge to the west of the trail to look for ruins. I found one small ruin with a few sherds but nothing good. I started hiking about 8:30 am and was surprised that it wasn't very cold out there. Just another nice hike on an open trail.
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Went on this hike with Bob, part of the trail is starting to get overgrown and obscure.
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Went out to Tortilla Pass scouting areas we want to do some overnight camping. Last time Roger and I backpacked in to Reavis Ranch we carried 38 lbs., enough of this we said, but here comes Rick, he says only 20 lbs. or so. I'll put him to the test Monday as we're going down Peters Trail and over to Charlebois and spend the night.. Stay Tuned .. Back to this hike, we declawed and deneedled the Agave plants and generally cleaned up the trail, after the 1st 3 miles I told Rick, we'd better leave the rest of the last 4 miles for another day or we'll never get back before dark ( TH at 6 PM ). This portion really does need a crew out there as it is really over grown in places.
As mentioned before the 1st couple of miles reminds me of the grazing land in Western Nebraska ( Go Big Red ) not very interesting, but once you get past this area it really opens up into a great hike !!! 8) Starting to see flowers and bushes put on their show, only seen one little poppy off the trail :cry: Passed by a Trio of hikes going out to the Tortilla Well and other then that, the whole Trail was ours except for 1 black cardinal and one Gecko
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I'm calling this the "other" Tortilla Superloop, or maybe the super-duper loop. Clockwise from the Tortilla trailhead: south on JF > west on Woodbury and Coffee Flat > north on Red Tanks and Hoolie Bacon. Trails are all in pretty decent shape. Mountain biked between Hwy 88 and the trailhead.

Ran into the FOTG backpacking crew of six (4 bipeds and 2 quadrupeds) as they were headed north on JF. Later on Hoolie I ran into another backpacking group, one of whom was a gal I worked with a few years ago. Small world.

Water conditions going clockwise:
JF is dry until it crosses the creek in Randolph Canyon near the southern end. Pretty good flow.
CF going down (west) in Fraser Canyon - increasing intermittent trickles to good flow.
RT has plenty of water in the lower (south) canyon, decreasing as you go north.
HB has lots of water where it crosses Tortilla Creek.
There are isolated pools in many places, mostly scuzzy.
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I took the dogs for a three day walk Christmas morning. Our walk started at the Woodbury trailhead and ended at the Woodbury TH two days later. I did not rush to get to the TH and enjoyed a nice Christmas breakfast before I left the valley. We only had about an 8 mile hike to complete the first day in order to set up our day two off-trail trek down Fish Creek canyon to the Tortilla TH area. Fish Creek canyon ended up not playing out, however, we still enjoyed three nice days in some of my favorite areas of the Supes.

Got to camp no problem on day one. Even with the late start I still had several hours of daylight at the campsite. It was this time that I realized I had brought the tent poles for my Big Agnes SL2, but had brought my Fly Creek Platinum tent. Ugh! Not the end of the world, but a minor hurdle. It was not exactly as bad as fitting a round peg into a square hole, but a challenge nonetheless. It annoyed my severely when I found out, but I kind of relished the little challenge it created and made the most of it. I had a relatively upright tent with an awkwardly fitting rain fly, but still more comfort than the open ground and air. A really cold night coupled with dealing drying out damp gear from condensation and the thawing out of everything else, led to a later start Saturday morning.

I knew from the amount of water flowing along Frog Tanks that water could ultimately derail my trip down Fish Creek. It was simply too cold to be getting overly wet and the sun too unreliable too commit to any type of semi-aquatic hike. Nevertheless, we set off down the dark canyon at around 9:30 in the morning. Through not that much effort I was able to make it relatively dry to about a half mile in where the water starts to funnel into a flat rock section. I had read about this in Nonot's description and knew it would be my biggest obstacle of the day. Initially, I was fooled into thinking a thigh deep wade across the first flat rock was all I needed to get through the section. However, as soon as I put my shoes, pants and socks back on I realized very shortly that I had not come to the deep pool obstacle yet. In the end, the pool was simply too deep to go through in those temps/conditions. I went back to the pool three times and contemplated several things, for example, could I even swim in water that cold? Could I could hold my pack above my head and tread across? Would the dogs even follow me? I could see the bypass clearly that Nonot wrote of, but it was too nasty for the pups. I watched Blanco take a pretty good fall on Newman earlier in the week and with that fresh in my mind was being more cautious than usual. Besides I figured the alternative of miles of terrific hiking in some of my favorite areas was not that bad and I could return in warmer weather. The decision was made, back to Frog Tanks and to the Ranch.

Pretty standard Frog Tanks hiking to the ranch, a tad overgrown in spots and it could probably use a little maintenance, but same old Frog Tanks to me. In terms of maintenance, I can report that there is no longer any prickly pear blocking the trail to a width of less than Blanco and his pack. I took a couple of spines to the foot, but put a considerable dent in the prickly pear over-growth problem along that trail. Camped at the saddle like a tourist, but I will admit I have always wanted to camp there and figured this would be one of those rare times when one could do it and expect solitude. It was super windy, like maybe borderline dangerous windy and equally as cold, but worth it. Although, the moon was like sleeping with a spot light on my tent and I was surprised that I could clearly see some urban area off in the distance. This aside, I still loved the spot, great sunset, great sunrise and it beat the ranch which was bitterly cold and covered in shade when I had went through there earlier in the day. The high winds led to zero condensation and a dry final morning, but like an Antarctica dry final morning, with water so frozen I could not enjoy it until nearly 11 and dog/cooking water that I slept with freezing within minutes of being outside the tent. It took a little will-power just to get out of the tent Sunday morning, but with some quick packing we were on the trail before nine.

There was a group at the ruins, a solo backpacker at Angel Basin and I passed three who were doing the exact same lasso loop I had just completed. I gave them a heads up on conditions and a couple camping suggestions. The final two miles or so might as well been an entirely different hike with short sleeve, short temps and the dogs seeking the water along the JF for a quick dip.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Hole Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Enough water at the area marked Hole Spring on my GPS to dive headfirst into. Entire drainage is running significantly

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Log Trough Canyon Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Randolph Canyon Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Reavis Saddle Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Area marked spring is full, flowing water from about two-three tenths from saddle to ranch

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Rogers Canyon Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Entire creek is flowing nicely.
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Apr 25 2015
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 Phoenix, AZ
Fish Creek Canyon - Bridge to Roger's CanyonGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
Hiking avatar Apr 25 2015
egreenTriplogs 4
Hiking18.40 Miles
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I drove to the upper Totilla Trailhead. The major obstacle on the road has been worked on. The deep holes have been filled with rocks and concrete. It also looks like some of the rocks may have been chiseled but that could just repeated trailer hitch, bumper, rocker panel etc. I didn't get as much of the usual adrenaline from driving in but you never feel like your done with a hike until you get back down to the lower trailhead.

We got an early start shortly after 7am headed up JF trail. This is my first time on this trail. The first 4 miles of the trail steadily climbs along the high ridges eventually providing better and better views. This part of the trail is kind of uninteresting to me but the route was efficient. I seemed to enjoy the later brushier section on the last mile or two before Tortilla pass. In Angel basin we spotted several places with litter, especially toilet paper. Is it that hard to bury it? Further down Frog Tanks there was a huge pile of horseman's trash including an ice chest lid. We found the rest of the ice chest about 3 miles downstream in Fish Creek with bear damage. We saw some huge bear droppings both in the canyon and on JF trail.
I have a newly acquired GPS that and I don't know how reliable the distance/elevation is. I checked my GPS at the pass and it said 6.5 miles. According to Bruce Grubbs' Backpacking Arizona guide book, it was supposed to be 5.2 miles. By the time we made it to the end of Frog Tanks trail my GPS said 10.4 miles but the guidebook said it should have been 8.4. When the trip was over my GPS said 18.4 miles, the guidebook said 13.7. I don't know which is right, if either.
My son twisted his ankle on Frog Tanks trail re-aggravating the ankle from last week's Mazatzal Peak trip. I was starting to think this was going to be more difficult than I planned for and I started getting concerned about entering the canyon. We figured we were closer to the truck and who wants to turn around anyway.
Rock hopping in the canyon took it's toll and my son's ankle kept giving out. Even though we had about 7 hours of daylight left when we entered the canyon, I was worried about the prospect of an unplanned night in the canyon because I knew that with no moon and storms in the forecast we had better not get caught down there.
The route down Fish Creek was not as difficult as I had expected. The wash is wide and the low water level made it reasonably easy to travel.
It didn't take long to get to the pool with no sane way around it. We didn't even consider going around. I wrapped my pack in a garbage bag and swam through. The water was a bit swampy but not as bad as further down the canyon. Some of the puddles further down smelled bad and were borderline disgusting. There were only three occasions where I had to get hip-deep in the water. We ended up trudging through the puddles if they had a gravel bottom but avoiding the rocks in the water because they were as slick as ice. That's not good with a sprained ankle.
We were making poor time in our progress and I knew we better keep going and there was no time to rest a sore ankle. It started raining and it was strike two because the rocks that had the dried out slime coating turned out to be just as slick as the ones at the bottom of the pools we avoided. It seemed to be just enough rain to keep the rocks wet but not a downpour by any means.
We were quickly squandering all those hours of daylight we woke up early for but when we finally broke around the corner of Lost Dutch Canyon there was enough light to get a visual glimpse of our route out of the canyon. I was pleasantly surprised to see there was a dim but marked trail and there was hope for us but it was getting dark, really dark. Headlamps on we left the canyon and followed the trail as long as we could and next thing you know we are in pitch dark in the Superstitions with no trail. It's time for a crash course on GPS navigation. I figured out enough to get us back to the JF trail but that new-fangled contraption is so complicated. I hate it but I love it because I got to go home that night.
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Wildflowers Observation Moderate
Not as much as expected. Occasional flowers, cactus blooms and Palo Verde.

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Sizeable pool at the spring area but no flow.

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Isolated pools. No trickle.
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Peak 4893 - Iron Mountain Quad, AZ 
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CannondaleKidTriplogs 2,411
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I expected it to be sunny and it was... for 15 minutes, then mostly cloudy up to Tortilla Pass.
Steady drizzle from Tortilla Pass for the next mile.
Very cool breeze (~50°) and rain from where I left the JF Trail to the summit.
A few tiny hailstones and more rain at the summit.
Slowly turning back to mostly cloudy for a while.
Partly cloudy by time I headed down from Tortilla Pass.
PC and sunny off-and-on most of the return leg to Woodbury TH.

Highlight/lowlight? of the hike...
At the pass I caught up to two backpacking old-timers who planned on a two-night stay... one had been trimming brush from the trail but leaving the trimmings/thorns on the trail. [-X

I thanked him for doing the trimming and added "it would be even more helpful to drop the brush off the trail, preferably down-slope so others don't get caught on it" to which he replied "They'll learn!"
Ok then... :--:

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Fish Creek Canyon - Bridge to Roger's CanyonGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
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This was a loop hike my wife Kathleen and I did from the 2WD Tortilla Trailhead to the JF Trail to Tortilla Pass then up Rogers Canyon Trail, stopping to camp for the night just north of Angel Basin along Frog Tanks, then in the morning up to the ruins, back north on Frog Tanks, departing Frog Tanks at the junction with Fish Creek, through Fish Creek to the exit trail at Lost Dutch Canyon, back onto FR 213 and the trailhead. Very special thanks to Vaporman, wallyfrack, and nonot for their descriptions of this loop – so, so helpful to hear what other folks encountered before venturing into new territory (even if the particulars of their triplogs escaped me when I needed them most!)

This was a Valentine’s Day hike. (Last Valentine’s we camped in Lower LaBarge Box.) We’ve had the ruins on the list forever, but the lack of 4WD made it a challenge. We looked at renting a 4WD vehicle for the weekend ($200?) then talked ourselves into this 20+ mile loop from the 2WD Tortilla Trailhead. Glad we did it. Beautiful sections throughout. Amazing to see the desert change incrementally moving west to east across this central portion of the Supes. I will say, though, that given the weight of our gear (we packed water in too) and the tremendous amount of water in the creeks right now, this was a real humdinger.

Sunny, breezy day. Got to the trailhead late morning. Lot of cars at trailhead (nobody parked at 4WD trailhead). Met a nice guy at 2WD trailhead, Jeff from Brooklyn, who got in from Brooklyn that morning. He'd never been to Arizona (let alone the Supes) and had randomly decided on the Hoolie Bacon trail for an overnighter. Cracked us up! Hoolie Bacon? Ran into some more friendly folks along FR 213 and also a rattler in the middle of the road (disconcerting as we’d hiked Hog Canyon the week before, just tromping along through the tall grass thinking the snakes weren’t out yet – :scared: yipes). The rattler hissed and slid out of our way. Nice snake. Reached 4WD trailhead. Peter’s Trail caught our eye.

JF trail was tougher than expected with camping gear, exposed to the sun. Took a lunch break after ascending the first ridge beneath a lone tree with a fire ring on the ground. Kept going. JF wouldn’t quit. Finally made it to Tortilla Pass with a few hours of sunlight. Caught Rogers Canyon and took it to Angel Basin where we saw the first people we’d seen since 213. We’d planned on camping in Angel Basin but there were two nice dudes already there, so we headed north along the creek in Rogers Canyon and improvised a nice spot along the sandy shore. Sound of flowing water. Plenty of firewood. Also the views of the Rogers Canyon cliffs are magnificent – plenty of alcoves and ruin-looking walls to keep you busy just staring from your campsite. Would love to spend some time checking things out here, climbing around. Rogers Canyon: better than expected. Rogers Canyon: a view in every direction. Hit the hay. Sound of the creek was sweet.

Woke and headed for the ruins. Three other camping parties in the Angel Basin area (one in the Basin, two just south). Gorgeous camping just south of Angel Basin. I think my favorite part of the ruins was looking onto the beauty of Rogers Canyon from the ruins (large trees, vegetation, high canyon walls, the creek visible to the south and west) and feeling like I understood why the ruins had been built in that exact spot. Who knows. We had fun. Back to camp, north along the gorgeous Frog Tanks Trail (immaculate between Angel Basin and the junction with Fish Creek – guess it gets a bit hairy north of Fish Creek/Rough Canyon). Take that back – it would have been immaculate if it weren’t for that gigantic heap of garbage. :o Looked to us like someone left a cache of goods somewhere near the trail and an animal got to it. Just loads of stuff torn up all in one spot. But besides the trash heap Rogers Canyon north of Angel Basin was incredible. Again – so many cliffs and caves you could explore around here. (Rough Canyon caught our eye too.) Several campsites near the Fish Creek/Rough Canyon entry had us wanting to stay another night – elevated benches on west side of the creek covered in green grass surrounded by big trees. Rogers Canyon: more than ruins.

Fish Creek from Frog Tanks to Lost Dutch was a legit wilderness challenge that day. Took us somewhere in the vicinity of six hours. There was so much water in Fish Creek Canyon that stepping stones weren’t always available, and traveling on either side of the creek was catclaw misery. Both of us got stopped and yanked back by catclaw just so, so many times – we couldn’t help leaving the creek from time to time because of all the water.

Then we hit the famed “pool that needs to be bypassed,” which Vaporman and others have mentioned, but I misremembered their triplogs and thought that the north side of the creek was the side that afforded a bypass (also the north side just looked like a more feasible route ](*,) ), so we went up the dry waterfall on the north side, then kept going up the slick rock above the waterfall (none of this is advisable obviously unless you’re looking to crap your pants), holding shallow handholds to get to the top of that little ridge to the north, at which point I saw that the other side was a sheer drop. Went slowly back down. Wife suggested swimming. I hate swimming. Wasn’t prepared to swim. But we didn’t want to turn around, and it was a pretty hot day, so in we went, crazy dog paddling our way across. Deeper and colder than expected. Over our heads in the middle. Ice cold. Slimy getting out. Then my wife saw her Nalgene still on the other side! (She plunked back in, swam to go get it and swam back.) Our gear actually stayed really dry in our packs, and our backpacks actually seemed to float a bit. :y: Got all our stuff back on and kept going.

Fish Creek was just unrelenting. We got battered, man. Fell a few times apiece. Got our boots/pants wet dozens of times. The dilemma of “several steps in the creek vs. vicious bushwhack on the bank” presented itself innumerable times and there wasn't ever a good choice. Don’t get me wrong – I don’t regret doing it (my wife doesn’t either). I’d do Fish Creek again given the choice of Fish Creek vs. a return on the JF. The solitude and beauty of Fish Creek were way more than enough to make it worth doing (the flowing creek, the breeze, the crazy-looking caves) but we were hurting pretty bad by the time we got to Lost Dutch Canyon – and running out of daylight (it struck me about 3:30 that we were one time-consuming Fish Creek obstacle from having to spend another night out there). Finally about five we made it to the point where Fish Creek bends hard to the north. We were looking for the exit trail up Lost Dutch, traveling in the southern-most part of the creek, and our relief was tremendous when we saw the giant cairn marking the exit trail. Took the exit trail up, so thankful to not be in Fish Creek just then. Lost Dutch trail was well-cairned and easy enough to follow even in the fading light. Came out basically within sight of the 4WD trailhead. Hiked 213 during sunset. Didn’t quite make it out before dark. Got lost on 213 just before 2WD trailhead in dark. Put on headlamps. Used GPS. Made it! Drove back to Mesa. Had beers.

Over dinner Kathleen says: "I feel like I'm still in Fish Creek."
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Dec 20 2014
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Central Supes Loop, AZ 
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This was just a nice relaxing three day back pack to kick off my holiday break. I went in Bluff Springs at Peralta to the Dutchman, Peter's Trail and Tortilla TH, back JF to Woodbury, and Coffee Flats across to Dutchman and completion of loop at Peralta.

On day one I hiked in with Jim but detoured to summit Bluff Mountain with Chumley and some of his most loyal followers. The trails were littered with HAZers, met one in parking lot who was very happy to finally meet Blanco and Cup. Then I ran into hikerdw and his son as is custom with most of my Supes hikes. It was nice to finally summit Bluff Mountain. The views were great and the weather proved nearly perfect. I said my good bye to the slackpackers and headed for my first nights camp, near Charlebois. I generally just relaxed most of the day, caught up with Jim, read a bunch and went to bed pretty early.

I left camp a little later then I should of but I was in no real rush Saturday, nor had any concrete plans. Peter's Trail has certainly seen better days. JF seemed like a highway after Peters, camped near Mullin Spring with some minor exploring in the area planned for day three before heading back to TH. It got real cold on the second night. The water in dog's dishes froze all my gear had a heavy frost/ice coating in morning and my leaky air mattress were no match for myself, Cupcake and half of Blanco; the ground got very cold very fast.

I had more ambitious plans for the final day, but they would have been pretty rough on Cup and I need her ready to go back out by Wed. So I opted for the leisurely exit via Coffee Flats Trail and the very scenic Fraser and Randolph Canyons. One can't go wrong with Randolph and Fraser Canyons this time of year, very scenic. I did do some early morning exploring of the headwaters of Tortilla Creek and Mullin Spring. Very tough going in spots, no big finds, but intrigued by area.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Clover Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
significant pools and small flow in area marked as Clover Spring

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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Kane Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
clean clear water and full
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Feb 09 2013
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 Mesa, AZ
JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Tortoise_HikerTriplogs 3,652
Hiking7.07 Miles 2,073 AEG
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Bob was nice enough to lead us on a hike and drive us there too. :).We got lucky and the rain stopped by the time we got there buttttt what was the white stuff :o. Being a Desert rat It's always cool for me to see the snow on the cacti! Nice hike and views.The weather seemed to change minute to minute.When we were at the saddle and at the point to go off trail it was snowing,cold and our feet were wet.Wally and Bob started a fire to warm us up.That was kinda cool.I can't let Bob take the blame....It was me that whined to go back to the car.When we get back to the car the weather was a lot better but you just never know :?. Another fun day in the Supes.It was nice to met and hike with Glenda,and Bob and Wally are always a sure bet for a fun hike.Don't turn your back on them in the snow :o. Good times. :y:
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Feb 09 2013
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 Scottsdale, AZ
JF Trail to Tortilla PassPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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I think those involved on this hike were expecting a pm to postpone due to weather. The forecast called for rain and the snow level was predicted at 4k. The snow level was 3.5k and it rained on the drive in but it only snowed while we hiked. We were planning on going to La Barge Mountain but I don't really like the cold and snow so when we got to the saddle I wussed out and we decided to have a fire and snowball fight :y: . We talked about going to Rogers and again I decided it was too far and too cold. Twas a fun day with a great group. As a great general once said...The best luck of all is the luck you make for yourself.
He also said....I came out of Bataan and I shall return!.... I will return to La Barge again and check out the tunnel and balcony. Thanks to Wally, Denny and Glenda for a fun day.
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