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Saddle Thicket Loop, AZ 
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Joined 9L for this loop hike in the Mazzies. Parked at the FS25A road junction and then climbed 1300 feet or so to the Mormon Grove Trailhead. Then jumped onto Saddle Mountain AZT #22 and it's about 5 miles on the AZT to McFarland Spring where we took a nice break. Great stand of ponderosa at McFarland where we had our lunch break and just enjoyed a cool breeze whistling through the pines :)

There was not any water right at McFarland but there is pretty reliable water about 500 feet down canyon from McFarland along the AZT. Actually had some really good sized pools for about 1/4 mile downstream of McFarland.

Eventually the AZT leaves McFarland Canyon and crests a saddle before dropping into the Cornucopia side. Then we looped back around to the FS25A and back to the junction and the vehicle. Pleasant temps for this loop and McFarland was great as always!!
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Saddle Mountain Mine Tour, AZ 
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wallyfrackTriplogs 1,691
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A loop in the Mazatzal Wilderness with great weather, some nice trails and some not there trails. We parked near the intersection of FR25 & FR25A and hiked FR25 up to the Mormon Trailhead. Saddle Mtn trail, Sheep Creek trail, Thicket Spring trail & West Fork trail were all decent but the loop around Story Mine was completely overgrown. There was a section of the Story mine loop that someone trimmed but that was the only part worth the effort. We stopped and looked at a few prospects along the way and took in the views. The best stuff was along FR25A. FR25A is true 4x4 driving but it would be fun to go back and explore the various mines and side roads another day.
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Saddle Mountain Mine TourPhoenix, AZ
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Andy agreed to drive for this one because we weren’t sure of the condition of FR25, which turns out isn’t bad at all. Despite that, we opted to not drive in all the way to the Mormon Grove TH and instead park at a pullout camping area just past the junction with FR25A and get the climb up the road to Mormon Grove out of the way first thing.

One the way up FR25, we spotted one or two prospects. One had a faint trail that led partway to it and faded away quickly at a smaller prospect. The overgrowth made it hard to make anything out, which was just a filled in hole anyway. Also spotted a leftover leg from what looks like it might have been a half eaten rabbit, so it looks like signs of a mountain lion possibly.
From Mormon Grove TH we headed north on Saddle Mt Trail. At the junction with the Sheep Creek Trail, we made the unfortunate decision to try to check out the lasso loop trail to the Story Mine. The leader trail is in good shape, but once you’re on the lasso part, the trail is severely overgrown. It starts out with mostly manzanita, then the catclaw starts to pop up. Andy and Wally decided to bail once the catclaw appeared and headed straight up over the hill to the Story Mine. They said they found the mine and it wasn’t much to see. I stayed on the “trail” and fought my way through to where some maintenance was done and it became a highway again, which was maybe 0.2 of a mile. I have a track from 15 years ago when I hiked this area, and I hiked part of this but not what I did this day. At where the maintained part of the loop is, there is another road or trail that heads down the hill, I think to other mines. I remember that I could see it in the hill while on the loop, but it also looked pretty overgrown once I was next to it. I have no memory at all of hiking this 15 years ago, despite having the proof the GPS track on my computer.

After the Story Mine excursion, we continued north taking Sheep Creek, Thicket Spring and West Fork over to FR25A and then back to the car. From Thicket Spring to West Fork, I missed the turn because I turned too soon on what seemed to be an old alignment of the trail. It was a little overgrown, but not nearly as bad as the Story Mine trail. I was on the East Fork Trail soon enough and on my way.

The hike down FR25A seemed to be nicest part of the hike. It mainly follows a wash, so it was like hiking a normal trail even though it’s a very rough road. The trees had fall colors, and some parts were like slot canyons. There were also signs from the active mining days and some interesting mine shafts to explore. We saw one side by side that headed up a really steep road that branched off of 25A and a Jeep further down that was left idling while the owners walked their dog through the wash. On the last descent to FR25 I spotted a doe in the wash below and managed to get some good pictures.
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Saddle Mountain Mine Tour, AZ 
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Chris invited me for this “tour de Mazzies”. I’ve never been on any of these trails, so this was all new to me.

The plan was to drive up to the Mormon Grove Trailhead and start up Saddle Mountain Trail. Driving in, after a wrong turn, Chris wisely suggested we park near the FS25 and FS25A and start the hike with 2 miles going up 25 to the trailhead rather than do that at the end of a 12 mile hike.

Chris designed the loop as - Saddle Mountain Trail to Sheep Creek Trail/Thicket Spring Trail/West Fork Trail and then down the canyon along the “road” 25A.

Saddle Mountain was a nice trail. Some decent views along a well maintained trail. It is part of the AZT and it showed. We decide to explore a small loop at the Story Mine before starting on Sheep Creek Trail. That turned into a pretty rough and overgrown bushwhack where the bushes actual whacked me (repeatedly).

The views along the top of the loop are more canyon than Mountain views. The highlight of the hike was the section along the “road” and the West Fork Sycamore Creek. We missed the colors by a couple weeks, but it was still nice. Very rough, too rough for most vehicles.

Making it back to the truck at the bottom of the hill was better than having to hike up that hill at the end for sure.

A good day in the Mazatals and it’s always nice to hike with Wally and Chris.
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Another small section of the AZT down. Chris and I started hiking around 7am. The air was cold but at first there was no breeze so it felt good on the way out. At the turn around point the sun came out and it was nice for a bit. The clouds moved in again when we stopped to eat so it got chilly fast. We had to get moving again to warm up. The trail is in good condition and the views are nice. We got some fall color along the way and the up & down grades on the trail weren't too bad for the most part. A few steep sections the the climb on the return was moderate. The road is in good shape but the drops are a bit of a mental tease. A good day out on the trail.
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Wally and I hiked from the Peeley TH down to where we left off last week just past the Potato Patch. On the way down we took the Thicket Spring Trail and on the way back we stayed on the AZT. I think I’ve seen info online that indicates that Thicket Spring Trail used to be the alignment of the AZT. I was thinking that we might save some AEG if we took Thicket Spring on the way out and Saddle Mt. on the way back, but I don’t think we did. Thicket Spring has a big climb then, a steep descent. Saddle Mt. has a big descent on the way back and a gradual slog of a climb until you’re almost back at the Peeley TH.

Saw nobody on the way out, then a few people on the way back. One group was dayhikers who were marking the trail for a race the next day. They had orange ribbons to show the correct way and blue and white to indicate the wrong way. Wally claims they told him they would be back to remove them all when the race is over.

On the drive out it seemed to be either snowing or raining, it was hard to tell in the dark. When we got to the TH, there were very light snowflakes that fortunately didn’t last. The one southbound backpacker we saw said he got hit with hail in the morning. The weather remained pretty cold, which we didn’t notice at all until we stopped for lunch. There were bits of sun on the way back, but it was overcast for most of the time.

FR201 looks to have been recently graded, and the sides off the road had been cut and cleared. Must have been some kind of massive machinery as it was cleared in some steep sections uphill and downhill from the road. It didn’t help make the road any wider, just seemed to make it a bit scarier looking down the drop-offs from the road.
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Cornucopia West Fork Thicket Spring, AZ 
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With temps warming up yet not wishing for a long drive to cooler climes, we fell back on a favorite of Tracey 's which would be our second time this year.

The first, in March, was to be a quick out-and-back to the "blue van" along FR 25A as a birthday hike for Tracey's daughter, so technically we never reached Cornucopia Trail #86. Due to the large amount of water flow in the West Fork of Sycamore Creek at the time, it was not a 'quick' hike by any means, with each and every water crossing presenting a challenge. Only near the end did we dispense with attempting to stay dry and simply walking through the creek.

This trip, as usual we started the hike from a small pullout on FR 25A about a half-mile North of the FR 25/25A intersection. While it was a breeze with the Cherokee, with the previous and the current 4Runner it's a reasonable challenge to get that short distance without any damage due mostly to a deep, yet VERY narrow drainage crossing. It is a given that at least one part of the vehicle WILL scrape, so damage limitation relies on the correct approach. On this trip, the receiver hitch scraped going out, the chrome exhaust tip barely scratched on the return.
(I keep thinking some day I'll bring my pick-axe to chop out the 2' drop of the approach and be done with it.)

One might ask why we don't just hike the extra .5 mile each way and my response is always hits on these points... even on foot it's a rough and rocky up-hill half-mile, so not only do we begin on a smooth downhill part of FR 25A, but we use that extra mile to extend hike on the other end.

Enough about our chosen trailhead, let's get started!
Thankfully the water flow was much lower so we had no trouble making better time without the wet-shoe trade-off. It wasn't long before we reached what's left of the blue van and the South end of Cornucopia Trail #86.

Even though I had driven on many pretty rugged so-called roads with the Cherokee, it still amazes me how vehicles get around/over the large boulders along FR 25A (concurrent with the West Fork of Sycamore Creek) and continue on up FR 3721 and over to FR 201/201A. Sure it can be done, but at a high wear-and-tear cost... exactly why I sold the Cherokee.

Finally, we're on Cornucopia Trail #86 and it's obvious we will be dealing with overgrowth along the way. While it wasn't bad on Cornucopia, once on West Fork Trail #260 the vegetation has fully enclosed the trail. Not wishing to constantly push brush out of the way, Tracey asked for my brush trimmers. Sorry, I didn't expect to be doing trail maintenance today, so I only had my usual hand clippers. With two trekking poles I continued by using them to keep the brush off my face, while she began trimming the worst offenders it wasn't long before she gave up. But it was soon moot as the trail opened up as we climbed.

At the Thicket Spring Trail #95 junction we had a decision to make, head North or South? Just over a year ago we did the Cornucopia/Thicket Spring loop so that direction has been covered. So, not having been on Thicket Spring Trail as far South as Sheep Creek Trail in a full dozen years, it became the default choice.

While it followed the bottom of the drainage the trail was easy-going but once it rose up to follow the contour it wasn't long before I knew reaching Sheep Creek Trail was not going to happen today. With the constant angle of the tread (higher on the right than left) my right hip was soon protesting loudly. I've been able to tough it out with the burning from the right hip in the past (Reynolds 10 days ago) but when the electric-shock nerve pain joined in and I realized I was losing focus on the trail it was time to head back.

With the tread angle in the other direction the nerve pain was soon gone and while the hip protest had eased, it would hang around in the background until our lunch break.

The return trip along Thicket Spring, West Fork and Cornucopia trails went by so quickly we were almost back to the intersection of FR 25A/FR 3722 before realizing it was time to look for a spot to stop for lunch. There it is... a rock for each of us to sit on, adjacent to a babbling brook, in the shade with a light breeze, limiting the annoying insects.

During our 20 minute break, I couldn't help but look up across the creek to the vicinity of the Cornucopia Mine. Of all the trips out here over a dozen years, being up above the creek I had never actually attempted to visit the mine itself, so will this be the day? Now refreshed and energized I'm feeling like checking it out. Tracey seemed in agreement when I voiced the idea, so let's do it!

It was easy enough to climb 20' through light brush to reach the old track to the mine, which we followed through thicker brush until dead-ending at a narrow box-canyon. Was this the mine? We were within a few hundred feet of the adit marked on the map, so I was sure it was part of the Cornucopia complex. Heading back toward the creek, I couldn't help but think of attempting to reach the actual marked adit to put this idea to bed once-and-for-all.

The only problem was instead of back-tracking to the more level part of the old mine track, I went for the straight line. Big mistake? ALMOST! It felt like I wasted 10 minutes to climb barely 25' up to the track, with an avalanche of dirt bringing me back down at every step. It was too steep for my trekking poles to do any good so it was down to grabbing onto whatever was close at hand...
A rock? Nope, it just pulled out of the ground while I slid back down 5 feet.
A small bush? Nope, it's cat's-claw.
Around a tree? I wanted to but could not wrap an arm far enough around to get a grip.
Back to the cat's-claw it is, and by CAREFULLY grabbing it at the base I was able to pull myself up.
)I wouldn't realize it until hours later but I chewed up my right shin enough that I was surprised I hadn't torn through my pant leg.)
Ok, i'm finally back up to the old track, now what? I pushed through plenty of thorny brush in the direction of the adit until another dead end. Nothing much to see... is that all there is? Whatever, I've burned every bit of energy I gained from my lunch so I'm done here. Instead of dropping down the loose slope I had crawled up, I went back to the box canyon before taking the easy (less hard) way back down.

While I was making the rough climb, Tracey was waiting patiently for me to fall, simply give up or encounter something worthy of the effort. It wasn't the first or last so I guess I just gave up.
Once back home, after taking a closer look at various maps it appears I was still 100' feet away from the marked adit. Comparing the map topo lines with the terrain at the spot I reached, as well as taking a look on Satellite view I'm not so sure if I reached to end of the complex or not.
So... was I CLOSE, but no cigar? Or is that all there is?
Either way, will I attempt to reach the 'exact marked spot' wherever it is? Or just let-it-go?
I guess we'll just have to see if/when I'm back out here again.

After my find the mine fiasco the hike back along the creek/FR 25A was a breeze.

While I felt fine while biking yesterday, now feeling the results of my flailing a few days later I'm taking this as a recovery day. But no worries, the abrasions and aching joints were worth the effort, a failure as it may have been. As they say, but did you die? Nope, so it's all good.
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Saddle Mountain - AZT #22Phoenix, AZ
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Had the opportunity to knock off another passage on the AZT, which means I'm officially halfway done... Was worried about heat with a 10:30am start, but there was a breeze in the open areas, and occasional cloud cover, so it turned out not to be too bad (and at times, borderline chilly). The first 4-5 miles were kinda meh; everything between Lone Pine Saddle and Cross F is probably one-and-done for me. After Cross F, the climb up the canyon (can't find a name for this creek on the maps) was nice, and there was intermittent water, which I used to douse myself a couple of times. In the upper part of the canyon, I had to squeeze by a couple of horses; apparently one of them had fallen off the trail and slid a ways, but was unharmed. I told owners of said horse that I hoped the rest of their day goes much better.

Once up to the Mormon Grove turn, it was back to familiar territory. I love the views up there. Took a 15 minute or so break at McFarland, where the water was clear, cool, and tasty. One of my favorite spots in the Mazatzals.

The last couple of climbs got a little old. It's obvious motorcyclists have been using the trail between Cornucopia and Peeley, and they've even been kind enough to start cutting a switchback or two. Hopefully the FS is on it, but I doubt it.

Almost a mile from Peeley TH, I ran into my friends, who had a beverage for me. That was a nice surprise. Hung out at the TH for an hour or so, where the gnats were insane and it actually started getting nice and cool.
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Saddle Thicket Loop, AZ 
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Day hike loop on the AZT and Mazatzal Wilderness. John came up with this lop that involved some road walking but mostly on trail. We started down the hill from the Mormon Grove Trailhead about 2.5 miles before getting to the single track. Then on to the AZT and Saddle Mountain trail over to McFarland Spring area. We took a break at McFarland before continuing on AZT to the junction where the old and new AZT alignment separates.

Instead of taking the new AZT we followed the old alignment which is Thicket Spring Trail. The first mile was a bit overgrown as expected since it's no longer AZT, however, once we dropped down over the highpoint the trail was a supper highway and had been recently cleared. Continuing we eventually reached the new AZT alignment and hiked southbound from there.

About a mile down the AZT we ran into the trail steward for the section doing some work. From talking to him he mentioned that the trail maintenance we saw on the old AZT they had cleared recently. They definitely did a great job clearing a nice wide path!

After that we hit the junction and left the AZT onto an old jeep trail. We followed that back out to where the truck was parked to finish the loop.
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Mormon Grove to Squaw Flat, AZ 
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Chapter 1: Prequel
It's been over a decade since Tracey had been on this part of Passage #22 of the Arizona Trail and to refresh her memory she pondered an all-day semi-loop hike out to AZT #22 via Cornucopia from Forest Road #25/25A, then hit AZT #22 SOBO all the way South to the McFarland TH along the old Sunflower Highway. Since she can easily handle the distance but it's a bit iffy for me, the idea was for me to hike part way with her, go back to the car, drive to the McFarland TH, then hike out to meet her.

During the planning, since we'd been out Cornucopia numerous times (the last just 7 months ago) and I hadn't been NOBO from McFarland in over 4 years, I mentioned dropping her off at FR #25/25A, immediately driving to McFarland TH, maybe dawdling a bit before hiking out to meet her and we'd finish the hike together.

At that point she said she'd rather do a full albeit shorter hike with me... hmmm, does that mean I'm be good company to hike with? I guess so.

Ok, so now the plan is to hike out from Mormon Grove TH to the AZT #22 heading NOBO and eventually head West on Sheep Creek Trail and turn around at Squaw Flat Spring, to which we had last been over 6 years ago.

CHAPTER 2: The drive to Mormon Grove TH
While driving out Forest Road #25 a week ago I said to Tracey "It would be nice is the FS would come out 'sweep' the road to remove the excess amount of rocks"... and guess what? It appears the road was graded after the rain a few days back but before the weekend traffic. So we actually had pretty smooth sailing all the way up to Mormon Grove! Cool!
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CHAPTER 3: The hike to Squaw Flat
Arriving at the TH we encountered a group of 4 + a dog who had a full camp set up connected to their Toyota FJ Cruiser. I guess "no camping at the trailhead" doesn't register with them. The moment I stepped out of the 4Runner, with the dog stretched to the end of its leash toward me, a woman somewhat gruffly asked if we had a dog, to which I replied we did not. I guess she wasn't happy they had to leash their dog when we arrived. Whatever, we just beat feet and headed out.
(Thankfully the trailhead was empty when we returned some 5+ hours later.)

Shortly after we were NOBO on AZT #22 I noticed fresh ATC tracks long the trail... yup, even though ATC's in a Wilderness are verboten! It took a little while before I determined it had originally traveled South some distance (I'll get to that later) before heading back North again.
(My determination was based on the dirt/mud thrown from a spinning tire when going up obstacles)
My initial assumption was the possibility of the ATC doing part of the "Easy Mines Loop" from FR #25A out Cornucopia (along which we've noticed ATC tracks on several occasions) onto West Fork Trail #260, SOBO on Thicket Spring Trail #95, Sheep Creek Trail #88 and Saddle Mountain Trail #91 continuing on to end at the McFarland TH along the old Sunflower Highway and returning it came.
(I won't be too far off on the assumption, but that had more to do with my lack-of-imagination than anything)

Ok, ok, we're hiking, not critiquing an ATC rider (more like being somewhat incensed) and it's time to enjoy the beautiful scenery. And that it was! Perfect weather, slightly cool, a calm high 40's to start, 50's throughout with a slight breeze every so often and just cresting 61° back at the TH.

In one sense one may describe the hike as boring due to encountering (or even seeing) absolutely no wildlife but for a bird or two, but the reasonably wide tread vacillated from smooth-and-flat, to steep-and-rocky along with everything in between. All along we continued following the ATC tracks, which, upon reaching the threw us for a surprise... the ATC continued West on/along/thereabouts the Sheep Creek Trail. I said 'thereabouts' due to some spots where the ATC was unable to drive or be manhandled up and over downed trees or other such obstacles, it created its own detours and continued on. In reality, if the ATC had NOT traveled out-and-back along Sheep Creek a day or so earlier, we very likely would have lost the trail a few times, which was not an issue back in 2017.

Upon reaching Squaw Flat we stopped for the obligatory photo of the "John Hughes" concrete water tank before heading back to take our lunch break back at the Sheep Creek Trail/Thicket Spring Trail/AZT #22 junction. Since we went no farther West, my assumption vis-a-vis the ATC was that it had come up from the Verde River along maybe the Copper Camp Trail to Sheep Creek Trail and some distance (all the way/?) out the Saddle Mountain Trail.

CHAPTER 4: Return trip
After a very peaceful lunch we took a quick look into the mine along with a short jaunt out-and-back along Thicket Spring Trail #95 before heading back SOBO at a leisurely pace, at least on the uphills, so my max HR only exceeded 130's once, staying mostly in the 120's. During the majority of the flat parts the HR was mid-80's to 90's, with a few dips in the mid-70's... must have been when I was spaced out allowing my feet to beat like a metronome.

It was only when we reached the junction to turn back to Mormon Grove Trailhead that I realized the ATC tracks continued farther SOBO, so... I have a distinct feeling the ATC went a lot farther South, possibly to McFarland TH (or more likely Forest Road #393?) and back... all the way West to the Verde?? And of course, probably 95% of that is in the Mazatzal Wilderness.

All I can say to that is what Tracey saw on a black T-shirt for sale...
"People: F*ing Nightmare, would not recommend" along with a ONE-star rating.
(NOTE: the asterisk was NOT present, the full word was)

And that's it for our pre-Thanksgiving hike.
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Peeley to Sheep Creek, AZ 
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Had some vacation time to use up before the end of the year, so I decided to try and tackle one of the loops in the Mazatzals. Decided on Sheep Creek / Davenport / Divide (should be 35-40 miles), figured that was pretty doable in two nights. Started off from Peeley TH in the clockwise direction, since I wanted to get the relative unknown stuff out of the way first.

The AZT portion was pretty uneventful, the last mile was new to me, didn't know about that excellent camping area at the Sheep Creek junction. All of the drainages had flowing water somewhere. The trail started getting a little bit more difficult to follow in the upper part of McFarland canyon, particularly through the burn scar. After the (currently unsigned) junction with Copper Camp trail, it starts to clear up, and is easy to follow all the way down to the bed of the Sheep Creek drainage. I really liked the big cypress stand along the divide.

The next couple miles was slow and painful. Trail was hard to find, and for some stretches I was just walking in the creek bed. After a half mile or so there was occasional flow. Lots of sycamore and pinyon in the upper part, and it gradually opens up into more desert and more catclaw as you go. It got pretty miserable there for awhile, and the trail is hard to spot through nearly waist-deep grass. Eventually I got to the Round Spring area, and found some sycamores and flowing water. It was getting to be 3:30pm at this point, so I decided this would be a good area to camp. Wandered about 5 minutes downstream from the trail, below where the two major forks converge, and there was pretty good flow down there, but no good campsites to be seen. Found a little clearing under a couple of sycamores (maybe a hardened campsite in ages past) and went with that.

Day 2:
I was looking at the map as I went to bed, and it looked like still ~10 miles to go till Chilson Camp, and then a 16+ mile hike out from there. I was kinda dreading doing a tough 10 mile day that was sure to offer more scrapes and cuts, just to follow it up with a long hike on the AZT, so I decided to pull the plug and just go back the way I came.

So, ate breakfast, packed up, and started back up Sheep Creek trail before 9am. The trail was actually easier to follow in the uphill direction; I think I managed to follow the tread almost the whole way. The only tricky part was finding where the trail leaves the drainage, which would be difficult without GPS. The climb up is steep, but clear of catclaw, so I don't know that I've ever been happier to lug a backpack up a steep grind.

The AZT section on the way back was actually quite warm, so I'm sure Davenport trail would've been even worse.

If I had a do-over, I'd definitely do this in the other direction, and knock out the Mazatzal Divide portion first. Oh well, still an enjoyable weekend, and water was not hard to come by, so really not a bad time to be out exploring that area.

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Good flow for at least 100 yards.

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Mostly dry, but there are a handful of short stretches with light flow.

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Couldn't find any flow in the vicinity of the spring, but the box is about a quarter full. Better spots to filter in McFarland Canyon both up and downstream from the spring.

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Trickle in the creek, with a good pool to filter from.
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 Phoenix, AZ
Saddle Mountain Loop, AZ 
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LJWTriplogs 266
Hiking15.79 Miles 4,251 AEG
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Had a go at Saddle Mountain from the Cross F Trailhead earlier in the year and returned for a shorter version of the loop starting at Peeley TH. Sort of a Cornucopia - Thicket Spring and Saddle Mountain Mine Tour Loops combo. Rested my hopes on the sycamores along 25A, and they ended up in the neighborhood of prime. Overall there was more fall color than expected. Got going not long after sunrise and went counterclockwise.

Cornucopia through Thicket Spring not too much fall color. Most of the oaks had dropped their leaves, but in McFarland Canyon near the Sheep Creek jct there was some yellow below the pines. Ascended Sheep Creek to Saddle Mountain Trail, which is my favorite of the bunch. It provides some of the best views of Pine Butte and the Peeley - Sheep ridgeline, and this time around I was surprised by the couple pockets of maples shining bright red.

Left the trail when it seemed the route up the ridge was clear enough. There are just about no good lines through the brush up Saddle Mountain for any sustained lengths. It's one of the rougher bushwhacks, or the roughest, compared to the other summits in that part of the Mazzies, but it is a short one. I think it's overall easier than North Peak, for instance, even if the going is slower. Great views all around but the pano is probably better from the tougher, shorter, southern summit.

Breaked in Potato Patch before setting off again down 91. Saw the only person of the day before heading down to the Sunflower Mine area, a lone backpacker who I thought might be hiking the AZT until I saw him when I was driving out around the 87/Ord turn off. The Mining road that connects 91 to 25A was maintained some this winter but is already in need of some more clearing. It is easy to follow, however.

Along the 25A to Cornucopia under the yellow sycamores. Water flowing down the whole way. No idea how or why anyone drives to the end. Up Cornucopia the leaves dulled as I climbed. Made it back to the TH and it was still empty.
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Oct 23 2021
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I met up with Kyle and John for a nice little fall stroll through the Mazzies. We thought about the Thicket Spring Loop, but opted for the longer out and back option, as I had remembered the trail being pretty overgrown the last time I hiked it, although in hindsight it appears to have been reported clear summer of 2020.

We did not see anyone on the trail all day, but there was a hunter's camp in McFarland Canyon where we turned around. We basically out and backed the bottom leg of the Thicket Spring Loop, with a trip into McFarland to the nice camping spot. The fall colors were nice enough to get your attention, but I am sure they could get a little better. There was water and even lightly flowing water in nearly every drainage we hiked along. All of the trails we hiked were in great shape with minimal overgrowth from the summer rains in spots and only a few downed trees across the trail. The conditions and temps were nearly perfect.
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Apr 17 2021
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Saddle Mountain - AZT #22Phoenix, AZ
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Kelly and I have been talking about doing the Saddle Mountain AZT #22 hike since last fall. This AZT segment has pretty easy access close to the beeline hwy. Got started Saturday morning just after sunrise.
Initially hiked through rolling hills on our way north to higher elevations. Went through a nice riparian area with cottonwoods, sycamores, flowers, with a very light flow of water in a creek. Pushed on to McFarland Canyon where we set up camp in the pines then set off for the climb to the end of the segment near Mount Peeley.
The return to camp was cooled by a nice breeze and clouds. We even got a little rain. Spooked a large white tail buck. Watched him bound up a steep hillside.
Got back to camp before 5 PM. Ate dinner then ran out of things to do, so we listened to a podcast then hit the rack. First light came pretty early. Had breakfast in bed then packed up for the hike out. Kind of windy on the way back which was welcome as it warmed up. Easier hike out going mostly down hill. Finished up before noon.
This segment exceeded expectations. More water than we thought there would be. Very good scenery. Fun two days. Thanks Kelly. :)
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john and i decided friday afternoon to do the up and back as a backpack/dayhike combo
got going around 0600 saturday morning on the access route to the azt
this was longer than we realized, having done little or no research ahead of time
relied totally on guthooks this trip, allowing me to leave my battery charger at home
usually follow on route scout, but it was actually kind of nice to not be conscious of each mile
the initial miles are not too exciting, but the trails were all in good condition and the scenery improved the further north we went
took a break along a creek a few miles in
nice riparian area and plenty of places to filter
up and around saddle mountain, which featured a nice level contour and easy hiking
some ups and down before dropping into mcfarland canyon around noon, where we set up camp and took a decent break
even had a cup of john's coffee
set out on the 9.4 mile dayhike portion
went along another lush area with plenty of good water where we filtered a liter
a final ascent to the passage end at the mazatzal divide trail
headed back and ran into three thru-hikers on the way to camp
nice to see what others are doing, what kind of gear they have and where they are from
had plenty of daylight this trip to have dinner and relax
we both wanted a chair and a book, but didn't want to carry the weight on a high elevation trip
up at first light, got going around 0645
uneventful trip back, but good scenery and we passed a few more day hikers, one thru-hiker, and one bikepacker
chatted with a thru-hiker at the trailhead who relayed the challenge of passages 19-20
finished up before noon and were home an hour later
i really enjoyed this passage, especially getting on some new trails in the mazzies
good weather and great company, thanks lp!
a few little gear tweaks, as i always can use practice backpacking
our choices get more difficult logistically, and this was probably the last passage we will do as an out and back
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Was going to start from Mormon Grove, but I'd never done Little Saddle Mountain, and it didn't seem like it'd be too much to start from the Cross F TH.

LSM Trail is burned nearly the whole way to SM Trail. Trail is typical of AZT tread and in great shape. Views open up from Saddle Mountain Trail. Took that to Potato Patch and worked my way to about half way up.

Too many unknowns for the rest of the hike and was feeling tired. Significant bushwhack to get as far as I did, seemingly more of the same to gain the summit. Nothing too crazy. Going to head back in a week or two and try again from Peeley TH.

Down to Sheep Creek with a bushwhack around Story Mine. Not worth the effort. Lots of catclaw and manzanita and little reward. Down to McFarland Canyon where some pines were spared. Nice spot down there with an open mine adit right at the jct.

Thicket Spring and West Fork up, over, and down to Cornucopia. Then roads to 25a past Cornucopia Mine, National Mine, and Sunflower Mine. Took an old two track from the Sunflower processing area where nothing remains. It has been recently maintained since the snow melt and makes for good looping options.
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Nov 14 2020
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Cornucopia - Thicket Spring LoopPayson, AZ
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Birthday run for a friend who had never run in the Mazatzals. Decided to start at Mount Peeley TH, and I suggested the 7ish mile Cornucopia/Thicket lollipop. I had run down Cornucopia a few years back as part of an 18 mile fun run, but haven't been south of Peeley since. Stopped at Thicket Spring, and was surprised to find water. Guess last weekend's storm was enough, or it's fairly reliable.

Headed down to the bus for a bit, then back up via W Fork Trail. Thicket Spring trail is pretty overgrown these days, and it's easy to see why this is no longer the AZT alignment. Not as scenic as Cornucopia, although the last half mile or so wasn't bad.

Didn't see anyone else out there until about a half mile from the TH, when we saw another runner we happened to know...she was flagging the turns for this year's fun run, which as it turns out, would be the next morning.

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Saddle Thicket Loop, AZ 
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Saw this loop posted by @mazatzal so headed off to give it a try. Parked at the 25/25A junction and hiked up to the Mormon Grove TH which worked out good since the trail head was maxed out, hunters I assume. From there we hiked Saddle Mountain, Thicket Spring, West Fork, and then back to the trail head via what remains of 25A. FR25 was in typical condition, weather was perfect, and the hiking was great. Meet a thru-hiker, El Matador, on the Saddle Mountain Trail. This was his third time hiking the AZ Trail and was attempting a speed record. He left the Utah border 10 days prior so we figure he was averaging a good 40 miles a day. Wished him luck as we parted ways. Great time in the Mazzies.

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Mazatzal Loop, AZ 
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Headed out in to the Mazzies with Kyle & Chumley in search of fall color. We started from the Peeley TH and headed in with a steady pace. We dropped into and out of canyons as we headed for Squaw Flat. There was some nice color in a few sections but nothing mind blowing. Squaw Flat would have been stunning before the Willow Fire. From there we headed back and opted for a loop taking us over to the Cornocopia Trail. It’s really nice going and most of these trails are in really good condition. We eventually turned back to the north and headed back to the TH. It was nice getting back into the Mazzies and fun to hike with Kyle & Chumley again.
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Cornucopia - Thicket Spring LoopPayson, AZ
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Perfect weather-- a bit of a lasso hike heading out to Squaw Flat Spring and back around.
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