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Aug 16 2025
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Alaska Basin TrailYellowstone, WY
Alaska Basin Trail
Yellowstone, WY
Backpack avatar Aug 16 2025
Nobody01 • Triplogs 35
Backpack17.50 Miles 3,100 AEG
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This one’s been sitting on my list for a couple of years now. I’ve poked around the area before, but only a short distance in, less than a mile, but this year I decided to do the loop.

A small group of us set out from the Teton Canyon Trailhead with Basin Lakes as the goal. We hiked the area as a lollipop loop, starting on the Alaska Basin Trail south to Basin Lakes, then following the Teton Crest Trail southwest before descending the Devils Staircase Trail northwest back to the Alaska Basin Trail. The trail itself is about as good as it gets: smooth, well-kept, borderline national park quality. The catch? Crowds. Both parking lots were overflowing with more than 50 cars apiece when we rolled in around 9am, and the trail showed it. Runners, day hikers, groups everywhere... The traffic eases the closer you get to Basin Lakes, but even then it’s steady, probably averaging six people an hour either direction. Not quite the Tetons, but close enough to feel it.

Clockwise, the elevation gain comes on slow and steady, unless you decide to knock out the staircase first. We saved that for the exit. From trailhead to Basin Lakes, it’s just over 3,100 feet of gain, but it never really feels like it. The grade stays gentle most of the way up.

The Devil’s Staircase, which we left for the hike out, wasn't too bad. The name makes it sound worse than it is. Steep, yes, about 2,000 feet gained or lost in just over a mile but still manageable. The upper section is rocky, exposed, and sharper than it looks on a map, while the lower dirt stretch is loose and irritating underfoot. Add rain, and those dirt sections would turn slick fast, climbing or descending in wet conditions would be rough… Trekking poles on this section would be helpful.

All in all, it’s a solid loop and a good introduction to 'The Jed'. Next time, I’d probably start from Death Canyon for a bigger trip in the future. There is always next year.
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The area typically peaks in mid to late July. Near the Basin Lakes, blooms were still showing fairly well, but most flowers in the lower basin were already past their prime. Overall, conditions were pretty dry.
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Cabin Loop - Mogollon RimPayson, AZ
Cabin Loop - Mogollon Rim
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar May 17 2025
Nobody01 • Triplogs 35
Hiking17.00 Miles 2,100 AEG
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Did the East Loop, the usual drainages still had water, even after that sorry excuse for a winter. Spotted a weird light shaft in the sky. Neat, I guess.
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Some areas you can still collect water.

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Plenty of water to collect from where the trail crosses the creek.

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You can collect at the source but but it's a bit mucky.

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Some light flow and areas holding water

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Palisades CreekEastern, ID
Palisades Creek
Eastern, ID
Backpack avatar Aug 22 2024
Nobody01 • Triplogs 35
Backpack14.75 Miles 1,750 AEG
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After wrapping up some business in town, I had a day to spare and wanted to get back into the woods. Alaska Basin was on my list, but I wasn’t up for a big hike, so I decided to repeat a trip from last year, this time with a friend.

My friend, who recently moved to Idaho Falls, wanted a short backpacking trip with “cool” views. The Upper and Lower Palisades Lakes seemed perfect. The trail conditions were mostly unchanged from my last visit, with the majority of traffic heading to the lower lake. This time, we aimed for the upper lake, which I hadn’t seen in 2023.

We reached the upper lake in under 4.5 hours and found a great campsite tucked away from the lake. We enjoyed beautiful views, perfect temperatures, and a cozy night’s rest. There were options to extend the hike and explore more, but we kept it simple due to my friend’s sore feet.

Going forward, I’ll likely end my summers in Idaho—there’s so much to explore. Next year, I hope to tackle Alaska Basin and a bigger loop in the White Clouds.
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This area seems to see a good amount of moisture; not so much this year.
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Aug 18 2024
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Toxaway - Pettit LoopCentral Idaho, ID
Toxaway - Pettit Loop
Central Idaho, ID
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Nobody01 • Triplogs 35
Backpack22.35 Miles 3,480 AEG
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After wrapping up a great overnighter in the White Clouds, I was ready to tackle the Alice Toxaway Loop in the Sawtooths—on my radar since last year, despite concerns about the likely crowds.

TL;DR: Fantastic trip—great trails, stunning views, and I mostly avoided the smoke until the last day.

Day 1 - Sunday, August 19th: Pettit Lake to Farley Lake (~4.5 miles, 1300' gain)

I arrived at the Tin Cup Trailhead just before 2:30 PM, after an hour's drive from the Fourth of July Creek Trailhead. Luckily, I found a parking spot in the main lot, which was about 80% full. By 3 PM, I was on the trail in 91-degree heat, but a steady breeze kept it manageable. I decided last minute to hike counterclockwise, aiming to camp at Farley Lake. On the way, I passed a group of fast-packers also headed there.

As I entered the Toxaway Basin, a trail runner mentioned that Farley Lake was crowded and suggested continuing to Toxaway, but I was too tired to push on. About half a mile further, I found a perfect campsite near the creek. Exhausted, I decided to camp there rather than deal with the crowds. The night was warm, dipping only to 56 degrees, and the sound of the creek made for a restful sleep.

Day 2 - Monday, August 20th: Po-Dunk Campsite to 8165 Lake (~3.0 miles, 650' gain)

I woke up early, packed up, and hit the trail just before 6 AM. The day started with a climb, but the trail soon leveled out as I reached Farley Lake, which was packed with people—even a group blasting music at 6:45 AM. I was glad I hadn't camped there. After a steep climb back to the main trail, I continued toward Lake 8165, my next planned stop.

Just before the junction to Edna and Imogene Lakes, I passed a caravan of horses descending from Imogene. The horsemen mentioned that Imogene was also packed, with people even camping on or near the trail. Lake 8165, just past the junction, turned out to be a hidden gem—deserted, with a beautiful cascade of cold water. I claimed a private campsite by the cascade. Though I initially planned a day hike to Imogene, I ended up relaxing by the lake instead. The night was cooler, dipping into the high 40s, making for another peaceful sleep.

Day 3 - Tuesday, August 21st: 8165 Lake to Alice Lake (~7.0 miles, 1400' gain)

I broke camp around 9:30 AM, aiming to spend my final night at Alice Lake. I knew it would be crowded, but with many campsites, I hoped to find a good spot. Passing Toxaway Lake, I noticed it was busy with hikers heading in the same direction. The climb to Snowyside Pass was easier than expected, with 36 gentle switchbacks and excellent trail conditions. The views from the top were stunning, especially of Twin Lakes below. The pass was windy but warm, and I caught occasional whiffs of smoke from a wildfire to the north.

I reached Alice Lake by 1:30 PM and was surprised to find only two other campers. I set up camp near the peninsula, preparing for some cowboy camping on my final night. By evening, the clear skies turned smoky, and temperatures dropped to 41 degrees. Despite the smoke, ending the trip at Alice Lake was a great decision—the views were incredible, and wildlife was abundant.

Day 4 - Wednesday, August 22nd: Alice Lake to Tin Cup Trailhead (~7.0 miles, ~300' gain, and ~1600' loss)

The smoke lingered until about 10 AM, so I waited to start hiking. Once the wind cleared the air, I was eager to get back to the car, as I had obligations in Idaho Falls that evening. I pushed the pace, taking advantage of my lighter pack, and made it back to Tin Cup in just over two hours. The trail was mostly downhill, though the rocky switchbacks slowed me down a bit.

Overall, it was an amazing trip, but be prepared for heavy traffic on the loop—crowds are almost guaranteed, privacy is minimal, and a wag bag is essential. Water sources are conveniently spaced about every half to 2 miles along the route. And a word to the wise: hang your food right away; those chipmunks are audacious little thieves!
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The whole SNRA is very dry.

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You can collect water here but it's pretty muddy getting out to the shore where you can collect water.

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Fourth of July Creek to Born LakesCentral Idaho, ID
Fourth of July Creek to Born Lakes
Central Idaho, ID
Backpack avatar Aug 17 2024
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Backpack8.54 Miles 1,942 AEG
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This hike wasn't initially on my radar until I saw a report from @FOTG about a month ago, which prompted me to explore it.

The trailhead is accessible via a well-maintained dirt road off Highway 75, which is approximately 10 miles from the highway. The road conditions were good, and most sedans should have no difficulty reaching the trailhead. The drive offers pleasant scenery, though it does pass through a section of burn scar from a wildfire several years ago.

I began my hike just after 2 PM at the Fourth of July Creek Trailhead, where I found a nearly full parking lot. I hesitated to take the last available spot due to the tight fit but was glad I did, as four more cars arrived shortly after.

My plan was to camp near Lake 9555, part of the Born Lakes in Antz Basin. With the relatively short hike, I thought it would be a good opportunity to acclimate to the altitude before tackling the Alice-Toxaway Loop in the Sawtooth Wilderness the next day.

The trail starts with a steady ascent, gaining nearly 700 feet in elevation before splitting—northwest toward Antz Basin or southeast to Fourth of July Lake and Washington Lake.

The climb from the junction is steep in places, gaining approximately 600 feet over 1.5 miles to the saddle between Blackman and Patterson Peaks. The saddle sits just under 10,000 feet, offering spectacular views to the northeast. The trail then descends into Antz Basin through eight steep and somewhat slippery switchbacks, though the trail is well-maintained.

After the switchbacks, the trail flattens out before descending again and eventually turning east. A final 250-foot climb leads to Lake 9555, where I found a comfortable campsite for the night.

The next morning, I started my hike out just after 9 AM. The initial 700-foot climb was challenging but worth the effort for the overnight stay in the basin near the Boorn Lakes.

I was fortunate to have a break in the smoke and excellent weather, with overnight temperatures in the low 50s and a high of 88 degrees when I returned to my car at 1 PM.

I plan to return to this area next year to explore a larger loop. The Devil's Staircase, while intimidating, seems manageable. I checked it out after setting up camp, and although the route appears loose, it isn’t as steep as I had read.

This is an area worth revisiting.
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I was expecting more flowers but it was also very dry and that season had likely peaked a few weeks prior.

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Palisades CreekEastern, ID
Palisades Creek
Eastern, ID
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My hike began midday at the Palisades Creek Trailhead. This trailhead is served by two parking lots; the overflow lot is the first parking area that you drive thru, followed by the official parking lot directly adjacent to the trailhead. Both parking lots were decently full but most of the traffic and cars were in the main parking lot adjacent the trailhead.

As I began my hike from the main parking lot I immediately crossed the creek via a wooden bridge; this led me to a junction where the trail continues northeast or southwest. Southwest (or right at the junction) will take you back to the Palisades Creek Campground and overflow parking lot, and northeast (to the left of the junction) continues on to lower Palisades Lake. I continued left towards the lake.

As I made my way up the trail I was treated with excellent tread which I would describe as national park level. The vegetation along the trail is mixed with lots of oak and maple but mostly conifer trees. Some wildflowers where noted but I suspect that prime season is a few weeks away. Woods Rose and Yellow Columbine seemed to be the most common of the bunch and were also the only flowers I could identify. Absolutely beautiful scenery and was quite a treat to hike thru the area; remind me of portions of the middle fork of the Gila Wilderness but with more conifer trees (and less poison ivy).

As I continued on up the canyon I reached the second creek crossing at about what I estimate as being one mile from the trailhead. Like the first crossing this is over a wide wooden bridge; this takes you along the west side of Palisades Creek for what I estimate is a couple of miles and is a bit more open and out of the shade than the east of the creek. This was a nice change as the views up and down the canyon are great and it's nice to see the cascades of the creek below. Before reaching the third crossing, there are a few areas I noted as being good stopping points to either take a break or admire the views of the canyon. These areas are immediately adjacent the trail and you wont miss them. The third, fourth, and fifth crossings come up on you within quick succession of one another and are all over wooden bridges. You might encounter some mud on your hike but you can keep your feet dry, the creek is moving swiftly and would not be fun to cross otherwise.

The elevation gain going up to the lake is gradual. You don’t really notice the gain and there is are not any notable steep sections, the final climb up to the lake is via a short stretch of switchbacks which is maybe 100-150 foot gain from the fifth crossing.

After the climb from the fifth crossing you arrive at a campground; I wasn’t sure of the rules of where you can/can’t camp so I never bothered investigating. Considering there is an established area for backcountry camping I believe that disbursed camping is likely prohibited or at the very least discouraged against. I had originally planned this a backpack but due to time constraints and other commitments I will have to sideline that trip for another time.

After the campground it’s a short hike down to the lake where you reach the sixth and final crossing of the creek before you arrive at the southern end of the lake. From here the trail continues northeast along the western side of the lake and further up the canyon. I would have loved to continue on further but this was my stopping point. After a half hour break and a light snack, I turned around to head back down to the trailhead.

Overall I am impressed with the area and will definitely be returning; hopefully this year and soon; but more than likely next summer. Although this is a popular area I think I would recommend it depending on what your plan is. The drive from Idaho Falls into Swan Valley is an absolute treat and is pretty short at a little more than one hour away one way. Probably not a good spot for a backpack on the weekend but worth a visit anytime of the week if you’re just going to do a day hike. Not sure on stats as I never hit record on my GPS for this one; I estimated at around 9-10 miles round trip; and about 1,000 feet of gain up to the lake.
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Black Canyon to Big BurnsEastern, ID
Black Canyon to Big Burns
Eastern, ID
Backpack avatar Jul 04 2023
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Not the best choice for a quick backpack.

Got a late start and decided to this loop clockwise starting out from Big Burns Creek trailhead and headed northeast to the junction of Hells Hole Canyon. Trail conditions are pretty good for this stretch and seem to be used by motorcyclists, mountain bikers, and hikers. The hike to hells hole canyon junction took me just under and an hour and I decided to camp in this stretch instead of my plans to camp in Little Burns Canyon. Along this stretch from Hells Hole Canyon to Little Burns Canyon there are a few spots which are established or would work for camping. Some spots have shown signs of recent use whereas others haven't been used in a awhile. Very lush and green thru this section and would likely be very pretty when the leaves change in the fall.

I made camp around the hells hole area and ended up getting no sleep that night. Something bigger was rooting around my campsite and it paid a few repeat visits. Finally got to sleep around 3am just to wake back up around 5am; my camps visitor was still around but scurried off pretty quickly when I exited my tent. Never did see what it was that was visiting.

Continuing on from camp and hells hole I made my way to the Little Burns Creek drainage which was my junction, from here I would be headed southeast and up. This is where the conditions of the trail get a bit tougher and more ridiculous. You have a a pretty good climb over the next two and a half miles which include several water water crossings; debris to avoid; route finding; and muddy trail to deal with. This was the most annoying part of this loop; find the path of least resistance and embrace that suck. You are at times hiking in the creek; or just busting thru the scrub and willow; there are signs of well used trail when you do find it; but it's a lot of bushwhacking thru this section.

The trail eventually reaches a junction according the map but I only noticed one route to go which was to the right and up. The climb to the saddle was extremely steep; a quick 1,000 foot gain in just under one half of a mile. Some of this section reminded me of the last mile in See Canyon but with a few more switchbacks; has a few sections of off camber and eroded trail; and of course more brush to deal with but not as bad as Little Burns.

This section of trail is also where I had my first signs of wildlife which was a decently sized color phased black bear; never could get a good picture but seemed to be a good bit bigger than anything I have seen in Arizona. He was running up trail as I was headed up; lost signs of him before I made it to the saddle.

Once I made to the saddle the views opened up a bit but were rather disappointing for the effort you just made to get there. However, the trail conditions improved quite a bit but with less water. From here I made my way down into Black Canyon which was quite a bit better than Burns Canyon and a significant improvement over the Little Burns drainage. Once out of the canyon it was a two mile road walk back to the car, pretty warm as I headed back to the car and a lot of traffic along the road. Glad I did this loop but wish I had been recommended something different... I think this hike would be very colorful during the fall though; there lots of aspen and maple trees; overall very lush and green but too bushy for my liking.

Not the best intro to the Targhee but I'll be back to do Alaska Basin in another month or so.
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Beaver Turkey Ridge Wildlife Quiet AreaPayson, AZ
Beaver Turkey Ridge Wildlife Quiet Area
Payson, AZ
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Did Chumelys' 2016 route with some modification for camping. Followed this route last year but hit the area too late. This year I arrived a bit early. Bummer, maybe next time. Temps were in the low 60s for our hike and cooled to the low 40s overnight.

Side note - a 24' toy hauler was in the quiet area. ](*,) Hunters (maybe forest?) not sure... Never saw or heard anyone and the trailer was being surveilled by trail cams.
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Most of the aspens are not quite ready or went from green to drop. However, there are pockets of change. Just go exploring. Only saw one gamble changed. Maples were the star of the show with most near peak. Probably this weekend for better results.
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Clover & Toms, AZ 
Clover & Toms, AZ
 
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Canyoneering8.00 Miles 1,800 AEG
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Hit up a buddy with the idea to do this hike, I bailed on this hike once before back in 2020 and with the clear weather in the forecast it seemed like a good time to give it a go.

The Plan

Was to start near the parking lot adjacent Highway 87 and FR 142; heading north through Clover Creek Canyon then southwest to the junction of Toms Creek to find camp; the next morning continuing on through Toms Creek to the junction of Pivot Rock Canyon; and finally heading south/southeast through Pivot Rock Canyon back up the ‘trailhead’ adjacent FR 616. Here we’d have another car parked so we could avoid the 2-3 miles of road back to the start of the hike.

The Outcome

We completed roughly half of what we had set out to do. Our bail out point was approximately two miles south/southwest from the junction of Toms and Clover and up to FR 9399X to FR 142 which we walked back to the car.

The TL;DR

It’s not worth your time and don’t even bother with this hike.

My Drivel

Our hike began around eleven AM Saturday morning. The temperature was in the low sixties at the start of the hike and climbed a few more degrees before settling back down to 60 degrees while hiking through the canyon. During our first two miles in this section we passed a solo hiker and two groups of people with dogs. I imagine this section of trail is decently popular and some-what crowded on a holiday weekend. The area showed signs of once abundant wildflowers. We likely missed that show by probably about a month. I am sure it’s quite nice in its prime. It was also noted that during my visit, Clover Creek did not show any recent signs of flow and no pools of water were observed. Overall this section of trail is nothing special but decently pleasant to hike.

As we continued on past mile two the evidence of the trail becomes fainter and less traveled. Towards end of the first two miles, we noticed two campsites which appeared to be sparsely used. The two campsites are spaced approximately one tenth of a mile from one another. The first campsite we encountered had rock seats and a small fire pit, second site showed signs of even less use with the fire pit being mostly dismantled. Each campsite was noted as being clean and probably had not seen use in at least a few months if not longer. It’s nice to see people leaving the area clean and not over used.

Moving beyond the campsites further into the canyon and approximately three and one half miles in is where things changed. You encounter your first obstacle which was a big boulder that obscures a pool of water about the size of a jacuzzi. The water is about waist deep, partially muddy, and decently cold. This is also where the northern terminus of the trail you were following ends. From here on out you’re choosing the pathway of least resistance.

Beyond the aforementioned section, the conditions of the canyon just continued to degrade and become more challenging. Our pace slowed down to less than one-half miles per hour in sections. Intensely thick brush, debris piles, and pools of cold ankle to waist deep water where encountered. This is what you can expect for the next nearly four miles of hiking until the canyon begins its hard left turn to the southwest. As we continued northward zigging and zagging through the canyon, the brush became thicker and higher. In some cases towering three to four feet over our heads. What in the hell had we decided to get in to? …and was this even worth the effort! Lots of things that just said you need to turn around now. It wasn’t until about mile four things once again changed...

At around mile four and change, you’re going to encounter the down climb that’s mentioned in prior triplogs. The down climb is immediately following a sharp right turn into the canyon. This spot in the canyon is actually some-what scenic as things really tighten up and your views are mostly unobscured from overgrowth or debris piles. The obstacle itself is much more daunting than it actually is. In my opinion, this is one of the easier obstacles encountered on the hike in. The way down is fairly straightforward…

There is a log located at the downclimb that is partially submerged in the pool of water below. This can assist you with your climb back up and out as well as your way down. We adjusted the position the log to be a bit more locked into place during our visit. The short wade is cold but not too awful. The depth of the pool of water below ranges from waist to (estimated) shoulder deep at its deepest. We stopped short distance from this climb to filter a liter of water and take a quick breather. Maybe now the hike gets better? Nah.

The next major obstacle is immediately following this downclimb and is a bit tricky to navigate. It’s a debris pile of partially submerged wood floating in a tank of water which we estimated at about five feet in depth. It looks like you can just walk right across this section. As much as you may want to do this, don't do that. If you do you're going to be slowed up by a mess of debris in a some-what deep pool of water. The way we mitigated this section was to stick to the right, look for the bigger log parallel to the canyon wall. It’s about a four foot shimmy across the log to solid footing. As your step on this log it will partially submerge but should give you support to reach solid footing.

When you’re not fighting with the thick unrelenting brush, down climbs, or pools of water with hidden booby traps you’re dealing with debris piles. One in particular gave me a good scare for a second. I managed to lose a leg as it busted through into the darkness below. My foot never hit bottom. That was a flash of type 3 fun in a quick (expletive) hurry. Thankfully, I was okay and without injury. The mood changed after this incident and it seemed as though the thought of this hike was just a bad idea. Leading up to the point of this incident the occasional chit-chat was still occurring. Following this incident, things quieted down between my buddy and I, we were now questioning our decisions of continuing on past the downclimb. This hike was turning into what seemed to be a never ending slog, something that is not only physically but mostly mentally taxing. It wasn’t getting any better just worse. We didn’t go into this hike blindly; we had the expectations of this hike being some-what miserable, but not quite as bad as it was.

It wasn’t until the canyon began its hard left turn southwest, that the hike again changed. This is where things opened up and became a more pleasant stroll through the woods. It was kind of wild how the canyon just opened right up and spit you out into what was mostly a walk in the park. A completely different change of pace from the last four and half miles of hell.

Having arrived in this area around 5pm and with with waning sunlight our goals soon changed. We needed to find reliable water and home from the night. We decided on a campsite around 100 yards from the confluence of Clover Creek and Toms Creek. The site was decently level and previously used. Nothing spectacular but it worked for our needs. Our water source was not too far of a walk and tasted great and filtered well. Despite the hike being a chore we were both in high spirits and thankful to be over and done with the sufferfest in which we just experienced.

As we settled in for the evening we laughed and shared thoughts on the hike and decided to call this one good. We discussed some exit route ideas with the intent of getting the hell out instead of persevering on. We were both over the area and didn't need to prove anything to ourselves or others. The assumption was that much of the same conditions as experienced in Clover as would be in Toms and so on. The past two years of decent monsoons have made these areas very ‘special’ and a bit cumbersome to navigate.

The next morning came quickly with a not so restful night of sleep. The overnight low fell to 42 degrees and was decently humid. Overall very quiet with just the sounds of owl and occasionally the cry of a fox were noted. We began our hike later starting at around 9:45 thinking we would have an easy exit route back to the car. We began our back track to the drainage which we had discussed the evening prior. This seemed like a really neat area and looked promising on the topo. Nope. The next section up was through a nearly vertical debris pile which looked rather sketchy. Luckily we only made it about 300 feet into the drainage before having to turn back and head toward Tom Creek Canyon. This area wasn’t done with us just yet.

Toms Creek Canyon was much of what we had already experienced in Clover Creek but with a bit more poison ivy. At approximately two miles up Toms Creek Canyon we found a bailout point leading to now closed forest road 9399X. The way up was thick and brushy for the first half with the last half being a very steep ascent up a game trail. From here it was route finding to FR 142 and then back down to the car.

Final Thoughts

In retrospect, I think the hike was a fun adventure with good company but I am okay with calling this a one and done. I’m glad I did it, but it was a proper pumpkin kicking from the West Clear Creek Wilderness. There are some short stretches of pretty dang awesome but a lot of it was whole lots of 'nope' and is not worth the price you'll pay to get there.
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Did not travel all the way to Willow Valley, only to the confluence of Toms Creek. Water is first observed at around the 3.5 miles in. Various pools of standing but crystal clear water. Once the canyon begins it's hard turn southwest headed towards the confluence of Toms Creek this area is largely dry. You may find a seep in the area but there seems to be reliable water directly at the confluence of both Clover and Toms Creek.

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Jul 24 2021
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Camp Grasshopper - Mogollon Rim-C/Site#3Payson, AZ
Camp Grasshopper - Mogollon Rim-C/Site#3
Payson, AZ
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Nobody01 • Triplogs 35
Car Camping4.00 Miles
Car Camping4.00 Miles   2 Hrs   30 Mns   1.60 mph
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Took the wife and dog and headed up for the night. Last visit up north was a week long trip at the end of may and beginning of June for me. Expecting to see a different forest after our strong start to the monsoon seemed in order. Rain was not going to scare me off although I had prepared for the worst.

Not really going up there with a hike in mind, still had to get some moving in. Being so close to some great off trail hikes I decided to do a little stroll down into barbershop. Lots of fungus and water in babershop (some of which was flowing) right now. Luckily my hike didn't have any bad weather but the humidity was a bit much. Saturday evening we heard thunder a few different times but nothing ever managed to hit the area. Early Sunday morning that changed around 1am with on/off rain showers, sometimes pretty heavy, hitting the tent. Haven't slept that good in a long time, wish I could have spent one more night out there.

Relaxing trip, very nice campsite which was very clean, minus one 20 gauge shell casing, the cap to a propane bottle, and a live round of 223 which appeared to be very old. Very nice to see people are respecting this area. Site 2 was occupied by a couple when we arrived and were leaving about the same time that we left Sunday morning.
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May 29 2021
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Ma Ha Tauk Lollipop, AZ 
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Nobody01 • Triplogs 35
 Hiking3.35 Miles 713 AEG
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Pretty warm, got started a little too late. Quite busy this morning too, busiest I've seen the trail in quite a few months.
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May 26 2021
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Ma Ha Tauk to National to Kiwanis AZ, AZ 
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Nobody01 • Triplogs 35
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Had a little extra time before work and wanted to give myself a bit of a challenge. Ranger Trail is always a good workout and offered some shade, the stroll down Kiwanis is always nice when it's not crowded...
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May 22 2021
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Cabin Loop - Mogollon RimPayson, AZ
Cabin Loop - Mogollon Rim
Payson, AZ
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Nobody01 • Triplogs 35
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The goal was to complete the circumference trail in one day but decided to find camp in Barbershop Canyon after being a little too cold and tired. A very quiet and breezy night and also very cold for late may. According to the thermodrop it dipped to a low of just above 22 degrees. Chilly for sure. Woke up pretty early and headed back to General Springs in the morning. Probably could have pushed this one a little harder but there is always next time. Didn't see any wildlife on this trip.
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May 20 2021
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Ma Ha Tauk Lollipop, AZ 
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Nobody01 • Triplogs 35
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Same morning workout as before, busy trail from the parking lot, warmer today but bad, only saw one person and their dog near the Max Delta/Derby junction.
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May 18 2021
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Nobody01 • Triplogs 35
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Nice morning, busy trail.
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May 14 2021
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Houston Brothers Trail #171Payson, AZ
Houston Brothers Trail #171
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I met the wife at the intersection of FR139A/B to complete a short backpacking trip down to Pinchot Cabin for the night. Her first time seeing the cabin(s) along the way and log dog (Charlie) was able to join us.

Started the hike where 171 crosses FR139A and made our way north to Pinchot Cabin. Shortly down the trail we came across a herd of four cow elk which appeared to be headed west toward 139A, a porcupine just before McFarland Spring, and lots of birds and squirrels.

Expected to see more people on the trail but surprisingly pretty quiet for a Friday afternoon. The hike to the cabin was a bit warm but not too bad. Cruisy single track forest paths which make for easy hiking, a perfect for a beginner backpack or something easy for a quick overnight get away. If you're doing the east or west loop this is the perfect time to slow down, take your time, and enjoy this section of trail. All of the campsites along the way were very clean with exception to some some of the areas around Pinchot Cabin but it wasn't too trashed as I suspected it to be.

Great night, very quiet, and chilly temperatures in the AM.
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Lots of dandelion, some large lush patches of pine pine thermopsis, and a few other types of flower I was not able to identify.

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Barely a trickle from what I observed.

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Light flow in the drainage from Apsen Spring down and past Pinchot Cabin.

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Like Aspen, there was not much going on here.
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Apr 28 2021
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See Canyon Trail #184Payson, AZ
See Canyon Trail #184
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Arrived at See Canyon Trailhead around 8:30am to an empty parking lot with low 40 degree temperatures. Soon after my arrival one other car and two hikers showed up. I began my hike just after 9am making my way north towards 300. The start of this hike is perfect, nice cruisey paths through wooded areas, the sounds of Christopher Creek, what more could you ask for? However, the last 1.5 miles up to the control road are a bit different. The trail begins to steepen and in spots gets a bit rockier. The weather had also shifted to a mix of high winds, rain, and graupel which then turned to a wet snow just before I made it to FR300. Once on the rim the temps had dropped to around 33/34 degrees but to be honest it was kind of relaxing and added to the adventure. Deciding not to head down into Bear Canyon due to the weather, I decided to cut through the forest from 300 over to 208 instead. While hiking on 208 it is noted that there are quite a few disbursed camping sites in the area with the presence of the filth wizard being strong. Yuck. I didn't expected anything less but it's not how I remember the area 15 years ago.
Once I got the the 208 TH I setup a temporary day camp, cleaned up the area I was camped in, relaxed for about an hour, and started my hike back to the car around 3:30pm.

Going back the the weather was a bit milder with temps warming to ~38 degrees and a light rain. The rain fizzled off around 4:30pm and the skies cleared up for the final two hours of the hike. I was a bit worried about a few sections of trail going back down See Canyon but it wasn't too bad. Some of the area got a little muddier than before but overall it was far easier going up than going down. A few slips/slides but no injuries. The evening light going into the canyon was nice end to the day and I should have grabbed a couple photos. First time up See Canyon and wont be the last, I will likely use this trail as a gateway to the rim for future hiking or backpacking trips.
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Apr 16 2021
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Ma Ha Tauk Loop (2x), AZ 
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New PB for me which was rather unexpected. Normally if I am wearing the vest I am right around 2.85 to 3.25mph on my pace but for some reason I just felt good today. Probably a fluke, but I'll take it.

Hoping to get up north for some real hiking next week. 8)
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Ma Ha Tauk to Alta to T-Bone, AZ 
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 Hiking5.36 Miles 1,191 AEG
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A quick hike in the morning with a colleague. New favorite loop of mine, I'll do this one again. The Alta going up from Bajada is a stellar trial. T-bone is probably easier going up than it is going down but I like this trail too. Temps were getting warm by 8ish, finished up right before 9am, didn't see very many people per the usual.
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Ma Ha Tauk Loop, AZ 
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Not something I would normally post, this is just a daily routine/workout/shakedown hike for me. It's a moderately to heavily trafficked trail and works for testing out new gear and is a decent cardio workout (for me).

However, Friday I had apparently lost my wallet while on the trail. Friday night we got a knock at the door from a nice gentleman who returned my wallet. Completely flabbergasted by this act of kindness. I did not get the chance to personally thank the person but if by chance you're a HAZer, thank you, you're a good person and I appreciate the return of the wallet.
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