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Trap CanyonPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking15.81 Miles 2,755 AEG
Hiking15.81 Miles   8 Hrs   54 Mns   2.04 mph
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We hiked into the mouth of Trap Canyon and the surrounding area via the Dutchman Trail and the Whiskey Springs Trail out of the Peralta Trailhead. I wanted to look for a few old campsites and signs of rock piles. The trails were in excellent condition and the temps perfect. There were a handful of people out and we surprisingly finished to a less than half full parking lot. There were signs from the recent rain storm, however, in general the area is very dry and there is not much water out there. No wildflowers. I think I picked a nearly perfect day to make a trip back to one of my favorite areas. It was nice to see a some modest recovery from the recent fires going on. A lot of unburnt grass from last year still lingering around. Keep your fingers crossed.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout A large puddle is a more accurate description, no flow.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout A couple of small puddles in the spring area, but I would not count on it as a backpacking source right now.
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Whiskey West - Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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VashtiTriplogs 276
Hiking15.50 Miles 2,181 AEG
Hiking15.50 Miles   7 Hrs   52 Mns   2.22 mph
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First time doing this loop as a day hike! To add something new, we checked out the major springs along the way! 😁 My previous visit was full of water. This time everything was dry except for a few pot holes of water here and there due to the bit of rain we had a couple of days last week.

My favorite section of this loop is red tanks. The views are expansive. The red rock formations are majestic. The views on whiskey are also beautiful.

La Barge spring was a real treat. Completely surrounded by vines, the spring is hidden in its own secret lair! 🤣🤣 There is a trail carved through the vines to get there. The trail itself is a muddy slip N slide, as the spring box is overflowing and water is running down the trail like a small creek. It is quite magical!! 💧🩵💧🩵💧 The water rains down into the spring box from above. There were 2 backpackers camping at the campsite closest to the spring, and another two filled up water before heading down red tanks.

Next stop was bluff springs, which I have been by so many times and never stopped to see! 🤣🤣 From the main campsite just off the trail, follow the main trail back towards the canyon and into the trees. There are lots of game trails, but there is still one main large trail going back. Just before entering the trees, there is a large piece of sheet metal. The water is coming directly out of a pipe and splashes down onto a large rock. The flow was a consistent small stream, but you would need to catch it in something to filter.

After bluff spring, we were in the home stretch. We noted the exact location of the Ely Anderson trail for a future trip. The trail is noticeable and cairned. There was no water in bluff spring canyon. Just a few small puddles near the giant rock in the wash.

Jason pointed out the Peralta rock in Barks canyon. I don't think I have seen it before. It is hiding in plain sight! 🤣🤣

Before you know it, we were down cardiac hill and back at the car! Another beautiful winter day in the desert full of sunshine! 🙂🌵☀️ In addition to the 2 groups of backpackers we saw at La Barge, we saw another 2 groups of backpackers heading in on bluff springs. It is certainly a fine weekend for it! We saw 4 day hikers when we were starting out on Dutchman. Not too bad crowding wise. The parking lot was a zoo when we arrived at 840a. Of course, thankfully all those people confine themselves to Peralta, leaving the rest of the wilderness relatively unscathed! 🤣🤣 I normally like to get an earlier start, but had some commitments in the early morning. The drive in was also a bit of a zoo. And there were unsurprisingly 30 cars at the carney springs TH at least. Craziness!

dry Bark at Dutchman Crossing Dry Dry
Few puddles of water only.

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Water coming out of the pipe onto a large rock

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Lots of water. Spring box full and overflowing creating a mini creek of the trail leading up to the spring box. Spring is surrounded by vines.


dry Whiskey Spring Dry Dry
Didn't see anything in this exact area. There were some potholes of water here and there. And there was one area with some actively running water into a tiny pool in the creek bed.
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Whiskey West - Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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DesertNymphTriplogs 81
Hiking15.19 Miles 2,293 AEG
Hiking15.19 Miles   7 Hrs   53 Mns   1.99 mph
2,293 ft AEG      14 Mns Break
 
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The last time I hiked a variant of this loop was well over 20 years ago. I remembered enough to know that I enjoyed the views along portions of the trail...so when trying to find someplace to hike this weekend, I slid the route on the table, hoping it would prove amenable to my hiking partners. After a little bit of dithering, they capitulated to my request - huzzah!

We had slightly later start than usual, following the slow caravan to Peralta Trail head, but lucked out and managed to snag one of the last spaces in the lot.

After signing in at the register at the behest of the volunteer ranger, we headed off and away from the hoards heading up Peralta. Not far into the hike, well before we started heading up towards Miners Needle, we passed less than a handful of other hikers headed back out (a pair and two singletons)....we'd have the trail to ourselves until La Barge Spring, where we encountered two pairs of backpackers. As we continued on our way out the Dutchman Trail on our homeward stretch, several additional groups of backpackers appeared....including one pair with an incredibly late late afternoon start.

We were able to maintain a surprisingly fast (for me) pace, given the slightly warmer weather today. We were aided by some apparent recent trail fairies who had clipped back the catclaw to allow for unhindered walking. The views were enjoyable, and it was nice to see the both Bluff and LaBarge Springs....though the brambly vines guarding LaBarge Spring demanded a blood sacrifice 🤣 (just a drop, and fear not, the spring remained uncontaminated).

There was a tiny bit of flow observed on some slickrock in the drainage possibly near Whiskey Spring, but I wasn't paying attention to the location, so I'm not lodging an official report. All drainages and washes were otherwise bone dry with maybe a pocket or two of water that will disappear in the next few days, I'm sure.

Only wildlife of note was perhaps the largest, plushiest velvet ant I've ever seen. It was terribly uncooperative for photographs though.

Possibly of interest to some, it seems I managed to take a photo from nearly the exact same spot about 25 years apart…it’s sad to see how fires have changed the landscape.

The hike didn't disappoint, and neither did the company 😊
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Wildflowers Observation Isolated
Spotted one optimistic ocotillo and then some purple nightshade at Bluff Spring.

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Steady flow observed from the pipe/tube.

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The box at the spring was full to overflowing....access is up a dirt slope and then by walking very carefully over the muddy bank amongst brambles. Be careful....the brambles proved to be more bloodthirsty than the catclaw!
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Nov 18 2024
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Charlie from Peralta best done clockwise, AZ 
Charlie from Peralta best done clockwise, AZ
 
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BiggestLebowski65Triplogs 17
Hiking21.08 Miles 3,069 AEG
Hiking21.08 Miles   11 Hrs   8 Mns   2.23 mph
3,069 ft AEG   1 Hour   40 Mns Break
 
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If you choose to do this trail, do it clockwise
 
Nov 15 2024
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Circle Azimuth Mark-Superstition Mts, AZ 
Circle Azimuth Mark-Superstition Mts, AZ
 
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FLYING_FLIVERTriplogs 293
Hiking9.20 Miles 1,420 AEG
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I had three main reasons for this hike.
1 - To revisit the Circle Azimuth Mark that I originally located years ago.
2 - To hike to the base of Coffee Flat Mountain on the Whiskey Spring Trail, where, years ago I bushwhacked up and located the Circle BM disk, and its two reference mark disks.
3 - And lastly
To view & take photos of the desert - left and right - of the Dutchman Trail in the Barkley Basin area.

My last time on the Dutchman was in 2021, a year after the forest fire that played havoc in Barkley Basin area. I wanted to view the desert's fire recovery after that 2020 fire.
I included some "before & after the fire" photos from my 2012, 2017, and 2021 hikes, in my present photoset.

The desert shrubs and foliage have recovered quite well from the 2020 fire, although it all appears to be yelling loud, "I Need Water". It's very, very dry.

I talked to a Forest Ranger on the Dutchman Tr and he agreed that the saguaros are in alot of stress, as are other cactus types. I'm just a hiker, and not a desert vegetation expert, but I suspect all the vegetation needs a few more years, and just a normal amount of water to get back to being healthy.

This hike - Over known terrain was good for this …. "I just got back" hiker.

Weather was perfect, and I accomplished all three of my agenda items
Good for me.
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Miners Needle LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking11.50 Miles 1,715 AEG
Hiking11.50 Miles   4 Hrs   54 Mns   2.70 mph
1,715 ft AEG      38 Mns Break
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It was a beautiful early spring day with recent January rains making all the creeks run. There was plenty of wonderful water rippling with splendor and many puddles to jump in during the hike. The spring wildflowers are coming soon. :y:

I went clockwise around Miner's Needle Loop. I also added a few offshoots for exploration for future trips. At Bluff Springs, I headed north on Dutchman's trail to see to the north for a future through high on the full Dutchman.

I also hiked east on the Whiskey Springs leg. The Forest Rangers stationed at the Peralta Trailhead this morning warned against hiking the Whiskey Springs trail since it is "no longer being actively maintained". However, I was not deterred and I explored about 1.5 miles along the trail to the east, where there is an amazing campsite at a saddle before the final leg of the trail winds down to Whiskey Springs itself. The views from the saddle are stunning with magnificent views to the west and the east at the same time from the saddle. Upon returning to the trailhead, I advised the Forest Rangers that the trail isn't bad and that they need not discourage hiking on the trail.

1.20 miles - 8:24 am
Water flowing at a gallon per minute

3.81 miles - 9:41 am
Multiple gallons per minute

6.37 miles - 10:44 am
Amazing camping spot at the saddle near Whiskey Springs. Magnificent views to the west and the east at the same time from the saddle.
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Wildflowers Observation Isolated
I only saw 2 California Poppies on the entire Miner's Needle Loop today. Coming soon after the rains.

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multiple gallons per minute.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Bluff Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Clear water flowing from recent rains.

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 Chandler, AZ
Herman Mtn Summit and Hermans Cave, AZ 
Herman Mtn Summit and Hermans Cave, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 03 2024
John10sTriplogs 346
Hiking18.30 Miles 3,711 AEG
Hiking18.30 Miles   10 Hrs   34 Mns   1.96 mph
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A few weeks ago, I tried hiking up to the summit of Herman Mountain via the west side from Trap Canyon but ran out of time, and the plan today was to try it again with a more direct route going up the south side from Red Tanks Trail. There were 10 other vehicles at Peralta, and it was in the low 40s when we started ~7AM.

We hiked most of this same route last time, too, so there weren't many surprises, but we saw three deer along Dutchman Trail early on, and it was nice to see a little more water at some of the crossings after the rain in late December. Whiskey Spring Trail is still well-maintained, which is one of the reasons I wanted to come back and try this again relatively soon before the catclaw overtakes the trail again.

When we got into Upper La Barge, TboneKathy waited below Herman's Cave while I took off for the peak. I left Red Tanks ~ a quarter mile past the cave and started up a ravine. It wasn't too steep but was very brushy early on, and the first few tenths of a mile were slow as I pushed through branches and thorns and tried to position myself on the right side of a few drainages. I ended up veering farther east than the route I'd drawn up, but it worked well and shortened the distance a little. As I'd hoped, the brush let up once I gained some elevation.

The views opened up once I got up on the ridge, and last quarter mile to the peak was faster with more open, flatter terrain. It's a fairly plain-looking peak--flat and open with a lot of low desert brush, a lot like Music Mountain to the north...but the views of the Ridgeline, Weaver's Needle, Picacho Butte, etc. are very nice. I spent a few unsuccessful minutes looking for the summit register that @ScottHika placed in 2021 [ photo ] but didn't see a summit cairn or the register, so either I missed something obvious or someone has removed it, though pseaudalpine mentioned seeing it in November.

[ youtube video ]

I headed back down the same way and rejoined TBoneKathy, then made a quick trip up to Herman's Cave before we started back. I also detoured up to Miner's Summit before hiking down Dutchman and catching up with her again, and we only saw one other person all day after leaving the trailhead. The sky had clouded over in the afternoon and it turned into a dreary, overcast day, but during the last mile of the hike, the sun broke free and lit up Barkley Basin in beautiful gold just before sunset, and as we got back to Peralta in near-dark, we heard at least two great horned owls calling...it combined to make a great end to the day and a nice start to the new year of hiking.
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Small pool

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Several large pools and a light but steady flow in a few places
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Trap Canyon - Herman Mountain Exploration, AZ 
Trap Canyon - Herman Mountain Exploration, AZ
 
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John10sTriplogs 346
Hiking19.82 Miles 3,665 AEG
Hiking19.82 Miles   10 Hrs   24 Mns   2.07 mph
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My plan for today was to try out a ~20-mile route-trip route to the summit of Herman Mountain from Peralta, hiking up through the west side of Trap Canyon. There are shorter/more direct routes up Herman, but this one looked like one of the flatter approaches and had the added bonus of some hiking in Trap Canyon, which I always enjoy.

We headed out on Dutchman right around sunrise, and cars were pouring into the parking lot at Peralta as we got started. Within a few minutes, a Pinal County Sheriff helicopter passed overhead and flew up Peralta Canyon and back, then landed in the Lost Goldmine parking lot, where there were some flashing lights...not sure if that was training or an early morning rescue operation.

Not quite a mile in, we stepped off the trail to let a guy pass, and he started sharing his theories on the helicopter and then moved on to other stories from his recent Superstition hikes. I wouldn't have minded story time if he'd at least kept moving, but he just stood there talking as the minutes passed, and I eventually had to cut him off and tell him that we needed to keep moving...

We saw two more people on Dutchman, and Whiskey Spring and Red Tanks Trails were in about the best shape I've seen them--there was a little catclaw in some spots, but it looked like someone had done recent trail maintenance, so that saved us a lot of time and scratches. Not surprisingly, it was very dry out there--we didn't see any water at Bark at Dutchman or Whiskey Spring and only occasional, small puddles in the creek beds.

TBoneKathy waited near Trap Spring, and I hiked into Trap to try out the route. When I was there last February, Trap Canyon had water everywhere--deep pools and small waterfalls, and we had to take our boots off and wade through some spots and find creative ways around the deeper pools. Today was the opposite--other than a few small, shallow pools, everything was dry. Not as scenic, but it was great for moving quickly through the canyon, and it was nice not stepping in quicksand today. I passed a tent and some camping equipment near the arch, but the backpacker must've been out exploring.

Brush/catclaw are the big obstacles getting out of the creek bed, and I picked a rocky area to avoid that, but I ended up leaving the creek too early and wasted time dropping back down to a very brushy drainage and up the other side, cutting through catclaw along the way. I followed the drainage until it flattened out, and the terrain was easy up on top, but I'd lost a lot of time. On the way up, I saw a few very tall, deliberately-built cairns in random spots, which was odd.

I came within ~2/3 of a mile and ~500 feet of elevation from the peak and could see it ahead, but TBoneKathy had already been waiting an hour at that point. If I continued to the summit and spent a little time there before turning around, I figured she'd end up waiting ~ three hours total and didn't want to make her do that, so I made that my turnaround spot and started back. [ youtube video ]

I took a more efficient route down into the creek bed in Trap on the way back, but there's no way to avoid the catclaw. Following the creek bed toward the west entrance, I crossed paths with the backpacker and talked to him for a few minutes--he'd hiked to the traps but didn't go all the way through to Hoolie Bacon. I rejoined TBoneKathy for the hike out, and we saw three more people before taking a food break at the Whiskey Spring/Dutchman intersection. While she started down Dutchman, I made a quick detour up to Miner's Summit and signed the register. I'd never been up there and figured it could be the consolation peak today since I came up a little short on Herman :).

I caught up with her, and we finished off the last few miles with nice late afternoon shadows and were back at Peralta around 5:15PM. I'll probably come back and try Herman again soon while the trails are in good shape and Trap Canyon is dry, because conditions were perfect for moving quickly, and the route is straightforward and would've worked well if I'd just stayed in the creek bed a little longer on the way in.
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dry Trap Canyon Dry Dry
Dry creek bed heading into the west entrance of Trap

dry Trap Canyon Spring Dry Dry
Moisture/seepage on a few rocks and one very small stagnant puddle nearby, but essentially dry

dry Whiskey Spring Dry Dry
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Whiskey Spring, AZ 
Whiskey Spring, AZ
 
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rayhustonTriplogs 938
Hiking11.73 Miles 1,832 AEG
Hiking11.73 Miles   5 Hrs   34 Mns   2.33 mph
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"Stop and smell the Petrichor!" :y:

I arrived at Peralta TH at 0630 this morning, finished my chores and decided to take a hike to take advantage of the rare splendor of the desert after a good rainfall. There were just a few cars at the trailhead and we had dual coverage, so I wouldn't be missed.

I saw a recent triplog that mentioned some trash being left at a camp site near Whiskey Spring. I grabbed a garbage bag and headed out for some clean up. Trash day at Whiskey Spring.

I got started at 0720, a few minutes after it stopped raining. Brought a rain pancho in case it resumed. It did not. The entire hike was awesome. Patches of clouds covered the sky with occasional bursts of sunshine. By 1100 it was mostly sunny. It was humid, but cool enough that it didn't matter. I could see my breath under the cottonwoods near the spring.

Dutchman is overgrown and rocky through the Woodbury fire dead zone, but not prickly. The Whiskey Spring trail is prickly in spots. Prickly pear, buckhorn cholla, catclaw, scrub oak, wolf berry, the occasional shin dagger (agave), plus a couple of other thorny things that I didn't recognize. Not to mention overgrown. I cannot imagine hauling a 30-40 pound pack down to Red Tanks/La Barge and back that way. We'll have to hit up the Adopt-a-Trail volunteers that signed up for that section.

The tread was soft to start, firm on the return. Gorgeous day. Beautiful views. A great day to get out.



water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Whiskey Spring Dripping Dripping
Barely, though that may improve in a day or three after last night's rain.
About 100 feet east of the cottonwoods, there is a clear pool in the creek that will yield a few gallons.
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Trap CanyonPhoenix, AZ
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pseudalpineTriplogs 1,290
Canyoneering18.96 Miles 3,838 AEG
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Trap Canyon is definitely aptly named, especially considering the upper labyrinth of boulders, chutes, gaps, pockets, sand, shelves, turns and tunnels! It would likely be much tougher if it had flowing water, but to consider this a canyoneering route is somewhat silly. I'm delighted I did the complete canyon (unlike many of the other previous trips). : wink : I despise the uninspiring Hoolie Bacon Trail so much that I decided spur of the moment to instead hike over the top of Herman Mountain. It was a great decision that turned out better than expected. Not too shabby of a view in all directions. There were three parties vaguely signed in at the summit. The first was illegible (maybe Feb.'21?). The second was Jordyn & Lee and the third was your DPS DADDY! AKA Trail Ghost or just Greg. :-k Clear bottles as summit registers don't work well as the writing fades quickly. I also detoured to Herman's Cave for a quick lunch, which was very peaceful. The Whiskey Spring Trail isn't a favorite of mine, but it gets the job done. Also, some stupid jackholes have left a bunch of trash in the firepit near the spring Cottonwoods. Might have to haul that out next time I'm hiking through.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Moderate


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dry Crystal Spring Dry Dry

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Mar 23 2023
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Whiskey West - Red Tanks Loop, AZ 
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Hiking14.35 Miles 2,232 AEG
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Water and wildflowers. What more can you ask for in a desert environment?!

I will dispense with the water reports; none needed. Multiple creek crossings once you reach LaBarge canyon. You'll probably get wet if you head out there soon.

Wildflowers are substantial along #104 from the creek in Bark's Canyon to Miner's Needle.

It's a great time to be hiking in the Supes right now.
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Wildflowers Observation Substantial
Substantial along Dutchman #104 between Bark's canyon and Miner's Needle.
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Dripping Springs Super LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Originally planned on doing this from Milk Ranch Creek to save a couple miles, but with the overnight rain, decided that road would be a little risky. So we headed out to Peralta for a 9:30am start, with the trailhead more vacant than I've seen it in about 10 years.

All the creeks were flowing across the flat part of Dutchman, and things got a little more exciting when sleet started falling, and there was 1-2 inches of snow at Miners Summit. Snow below 3k in the Superstitions is really a sight to behold...

First time on Whiskey Springs trail. catclaw wasn't as bad as I expected. La Barge was flowing nice and strong, and I enjoyed the Upper Box stretch. First time through there in nine years.

Red Tanks beyond the last crossing of La Barge was all new to me, and this offered the hardest route finding, the most catclaw, and the most snow. It was thoroughly enjoyable, and the view from Red Tanks Divide was unforgettable.

We took a long-ish break at Dripping Springs, and also poked around Reed's Water for a few minutes. The rest of the way back I was in "let's get this over with" mode. Chocolate covered coffee beans are money as it turns out.

Really fun day, I think that leaves about 15 miles of official trail within the Superstition Wilderness that I haven't seen yet.
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Peralta/Dutchman/Whiskey loop, AZ 
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I went out for a casual 3 night backpack out in the Supes this past weekend hoping to see some snow, and boy did I. Started at Peralta late on Friday and headed to Whiskey Spring for the night. As expected, there was water flowing absolutely everywhere. What surprised me, though, is how much water was draining from up on Miner's needle. That's such a high point, without a recent rain I didn't expect it but I guess that's just how saturated everything is right now.
The next day, I headed north on Whiskey and over on Red Tank. I had read that there had been recent maintenance on these and I was hoping that wasn't a lie. Sure enough, I don't think I got a single scratch; both are in solid condition right now. There are a couple spots on Red Tank when you cross the drainage/creek (running the whole way and quite wide in some spots) where it can be tricky to find the other side, but nothing crazy. Very happy to see the trail in this condition, though, after the last couple years! I took a short jaunt up Trap canyon as I haven't been there before, before continuing on to my final destination on Cavalry. The weather there was bright and sunny at 72 degrees and I had a nice sandy beach to soak my feet in and enjoy the wide views.
The next morning around 4 or so, the rain started and the temperature had dropped down to 34 according to my thermodrop. As the sun came out, I could see ice forming on my tent walls and below the vestibules, some slight snow. Opening the tent door and I was greeted by snow on Malapais and and Black Mountains, along with Weavers. What a site! The rain mostly stopped around 10 or so but I goofed off in my tent a bit longer. I was going to meet up with a buddy doing a quick overnight at Pinon camp on Peralta which was only 6.5 miles or so away, so there was no rush. Once I left, I went back up to Dutchman to head over to Peralta. I've normally just thought this stretch was "okay" but man oh man, with all this water and snow run off (it melted pretty quick), it was amazing with waterfalls and, in one section, a bit of a water fountain almost where the water is forced through a small opening. Very nice. The climb up Peralta in the back side is nice and gentle and, again, streams every 10 feet. Often right on the trail but easy enough to keep your feet dry.
Buddy had brought out a couple adult beverages and brats, so that was quite the nice treat for the night by the campfire, which also helped with the cold as it was just above freezing when I called it a night (overnight got to 26 apparently). We packed up early the next morning for a quick exit. It was a little slower going as there was still Ice in some places, particularly on the backend where we were, but also on the South side in some areas as well, but was a pleasant descent nonetheless.

Great to get out to the Supes with this much water and camping in a couple of new places for me. The snow was just the icing on the cake.
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Feb 20 2023
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Coffee Flat Mountain 4621 Summit, AZ 
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I’ve been eying Coffee Flat summit for a while. Cloudy skies and temps in the 50s and I was sold. Fiends cancelled so I went anyway solo. I’ve been up top Coffee Flat but never to the actual 4621 summit. I had an 18 pound pack with the usual supplies. I brought my water filter but decided to carry enough so as not to slow down. Could have left a few hours earlier but it was either dark in the am or dark in the pm so I chose the pm. The time zone was loose rocks and sharp plants so I set my clock forward.

Not many people were at Peralta at start so I beat the crowds mostly folks headed up to Fremont Saddle etc. On the day, I passed only two backpackers the entire trip. This is a great time of year perfect weather and the wildflowers are just emerging. There is water still running through the canyons and probably more soon with pending rain. My route was to be Dutchman’s 104 to Whiskey Springs 238 for a short while, then cut up to Circle and follow the ridge to the 4621 CF summit and proceed back the same way. I calculated the distance at 7-8 miles x 2 but decided to head back a different way. I prefer loops but I chose the longer possibly safer way around making the hike 20 miles. I saw lizards and birds and lots of bees working the spring flowers. I came across possible big cat prints and definitely old coyote crap but no mammals.

The terrain was manageable but slowed me down to a crawl in places, like dragging a dead body around. This was mainly due to the slope, hidden rollers, scrambling, scree and climbing (and coming from the Boomer Generation). Up top at the summit it was still and eerie quiet and I managed to get up there between storms so very cool. There was no apparent summit register so I did add a small glass bottle with a few cards inside. Hope some other HAZ members will drop by and make a note. This one was tough for me. At my age I probably won’t be back at least not via that route. I had lunch, and took in everything that is any reason for ever making such a trip. I was considering Picacho Butte being right there, but decided to pass regrettably as I was already behind schedule. There are a few places in Red Tanks I wanted to explore that will have to wait as well.

Admiring the view I contemplated my return options other than an out and back. Dropping down into La Barge was the quick way back but, I didn’t like the look of the steep slope. I also heard that the upper box is a catclaw nightmare right now. Being solo means being more responsible. I was also eying the somewhat steep hike down Coffee Flat Canyon in the direction of Buzzards Roost. I knew I’d hit Coffee Flat 108 somewhere near Reeds Water. That would be a really long bushwhack though. I decided to head towards Red Tanks divide and follow the somewhat familiar trail around Red Tanks and through Randolph Canyon, Coffee Flat and Dutchman. I once read that Tom Kollenborn found a horse route up and over Coffee Flat Mountain. The steep cliffs make it impractical but possible on horseback. As I was heading down, I kept thinking to myself, “What would a horse do here?” All the sudden I was finding cairns. Not modern cairns but old school cowboy cairns. I was picking up debris as well so somebody besides me was thinking it was a practical route. I hit the divide and with sigh of relief I switched to trail mode. All of the trails were really nice and if I got a scratch I didn’t notice it.

I really like wading through canyon water so Randolph was a super cool foot bath. Also Coffee Flat trail is always so very nice and sandy soft on my old feet. I got back in the dark and headed home apologizing to friends and family for being out of communication and exceeding my estimated return time. I took extra pics so hope you will take a look and enjoy.
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Feb 18 2023
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Ishamod and I hiked into the east end of Trap Canyon in late 2021, and I went into the west end a short distance about a year ago...today, we planned to try the west entrance again and explore further into the canyon and/or leave the creed bed and go up to the summit of Herman Mountain. We left a little earlier than usual because of another closure on Hwy 60 east, and we got to Peralta around 7AM and started out on Dutchman.

We saw one or two campers and a trail runner along Dutchman, but the trails were pretty empty in the morning. The brush along Whiskey Spring was mostly cleared off the trail, which helped us keep a good pace, and we reached the exit off Red Tanks Trail to Trap Canyon around 10:30AM, which gave us quite a bit of time to explore before we needed to turn around.

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But water slowed our progress a lot once we were in the canyon--which was both a blessing and a curse. There were a lot more deep pools and small waterfalls than last year, and it was especially beautiful in there this time, but scrambling around the pools through brush killed our pace, and wading wasn't an option in some places because the pools were more than waist deep (one looked to be ~10 feet deep in the middle), and the sandy bottom was like quicksand in some areas. It was clear early on that we weren't going to have time to get anywhere near the traps or up to Herman Mountain, but we'd go in as far as we could with the time we had.

We finally had to take our boots off and wade through one shallow spot where it was impossible to avoid the water, but otherwise we made our way around the pools with boots on, but not without plenty of battles with catclaw. I had a few run-ins with quicksand on the last visit and gave ishamod a heads up not to trust any damp-looking sand, but it got him anyway, and he ended up shin-deep in liquid sand with both feet.

We got farther into Trap than I did last March but were still a long way from the traps toward to the east end before we decided to turn around and headed back into the water obstacles. On the way out, we saw a light-colored frog swimming in a pool [ youtube video ] . I hadn't seen that kind before, but it blended in with the rocks really well. We didn't take the time to go to the upper alcove today, but below the overhang along the creek bed, we noticed an unusual nest hanging from the ceiling that looked like a coconut...maybe a bee or wasp nest [ photo ] ?

Once we were back on the trail, we started to see more people, including a couple who complained that it was "a little toasty" today. Must not be from around here...I've never heard locals complain about low 70s :). The early evening shadows were great on the hike out, and we got back to Peralta a little before sunset. We didn't get close to the traps or up to Herman Mountain today, but it was still a fun one a great day to be outside. We still want to get back again and see the traps...next time I'll bring water shoes or wait for drier conditions :).
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Feb 12 2023
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My first foray onto whiskey spring and red tanks trails, woo hoo! 6 of us had a super enjoyable backpacking trip.

There was so much water. Everywhere! It was delightful! We looked unsuccessfully for the actual LaBarge spring, but the location it is shown to be at is a brambly, washed out section. Plus there sounded to be a hive near by, so we didn't stick around too long looking. There was so much water in every wash, many of them flowing, and others with deep pools.

The loop is well maintained and clear. As we walked through a sea of dead and living catclaw, I was very thankful for the trail maintenance that had been done.

We camped at the mouth of trap canyon in an established campsite just off the trail. We didn't see many people out over 2 days. 3 solo hikers on the way in, none pass Ely Anderson. 1 horseman on the way up the whiskey springs hill on the way out. Otherwise, only a few hikers on the Dutchman, all between the trailhead and coffee flats trail. The horseman was telling us about some mountain lions he had seen, but we only saw a few rabbits and many lizards!

The wild flowers are just starting to bloom. More at the lower elevations, but there were scattered wildflowers throughout the loop.

It was about 30F at night, with ice forming in our water bottles during the night.

A great weekend in the superstitions!
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Jan 14 2023
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Charlebois Loop IIPhoenix, AZ
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These were all familiar trails today, but we hadn't hiked this specific loop before, and it looked like a nice option with some good mileage and scenery. We got a later start than planned thanks to a closure on Highway 60, a detour on the surface streets, a long wait at a train crossing just before we could get back on 60 in Mesa...then we got stuck behind a slow-moving truck and trailer on Peralta Road. There were a lot of vehicles at the trailhead already, but at least it was a sunnier morning than forecasted, and we were happy to get away from most of the crowds as we left the Fremont Saddle traffic behind and turned onto Dutchman.

I was pleased to find that the trail maintenance work along Whiskey Spring Trail last spring hadn't become overgrown again...the catclaw along the trail was terrible in late 2021, but it had been trimmed way back as of last March, and it was still in pretty good shape today. We passed a Forest Service worker trimming brush and hauling it off the trail just before Whiskey Spring, so it's an ongoing effort and saved a lot of time and scratches on the section of that route, though Red Tanks had some spots that could use some work.

The sun continued to break through the clouds on and off most of the morning, and we took a short break near the water crossing at the west entrance to Trap Canyon before continuing on past La Barge Spring, Oak Spring, and the third one near Music Canyon. There were pools and a decent flow of water at most of the crossings today, and we had the sound of tricking water almost all day.

We had Charlebois Spring to ourselves, and we took a break there in the shade. We were there almost exactly a year ago and heard a lot of frogs that day, and today we saw two frogs mating at the side of the spring. They were clearly distracted and made no effort to move as we got closer, so we were able to get some Discovery Channel-worthy pictures before we started back.

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I took a quick detour over to the Master Map before we continued along the east side of Bluff Spring Mountain on Dutchman. The clouds got a lot thicker in the afternoon, and we started to see more people on the trails, including some groups of backpackers and occasional campsites. On the way out, we stopped for a final break near Peralta Rock, which I'd passed many times without ever noticing...this time I finally saw it :). We saw one more large group coming down from the Cave Trail, and we finished a little before sunset.

There were a lot of hikers on the trails, probably 15+ different groups/individuals over the course of the day...likely a combination the long weekend and people trying to get outside before rain starts tomorrow. But, as expected, this was an enjoyable, straightforward loop with plenty of water, good mileage and scenery, and a few bonuses between the frogs/spring, Master Map, and Peralta Rock.
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Horse Ridge Loop, AZ 
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