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Saddle Mountain Trail to Squaw FlatPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking10.31 Miles 1,664 AEG
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With the heat coming on fast this year, I've been looking to get as much time out as possible and was glad for the invite to join Jason on this relatively easy jaunt. It's been about twenty years since I've been anywhere in the area - and a quick review of some ancient notes indicates that I had not hiked this trail previously.

The road to Mormon Grove TH was a little bumpy, but nothing too awful - as it was mid week, we had the lot to ourselves. The trail starts off with a gradual climb and eventually joins up with the AZT (a junction with the Little Saddle Trail) - for the most part, trail conditions are nice and not too rocky as the area has a lot of shale. There are some nice views of the geology in the area, but for the most part, the views are of rolling green hillsides and valleys with pockets of pines (though between fire, drought, and likely bark beetles, the stands of pines are definitely mixed for health). The green is a welcome change from what I've been seeing while out hiking - it's mostly manzanita and scrub oak, mixed with other desert scrub.

After some gentle rolling ups and downs, the trail eventually drops somewhat steeply into McFarland Canyon. The footing here is loose, though there was clearly some moisture in the ground as the dirt looked a bit damp and held together while we made our way to the canyon floor. After a brief stop at the mine, we continued down the Sheep Creek Trail as it wandered along side the drainage. The trail was mostly clear and distinct, though the plants sometimes encroach the path - at least they weren't of the grabby variety.

After a brief stop to check the spring trough (a little bit of dampness inside, but essentially dry), we made our way to a clearing under some big trees for a break before heading back the way we came...catching a group of equestrians at the junction with the AZT / Thicket Spring Trail. Once we climbed out, we were treated to a cooling breeze (which was sadly absent during the hot ascent!). The hike back was uneventful, and while we caught sight of the horses behind us, we still beat them back to the trailhead even with a brief stop to visit the potato patch.

Wildlife: heard a number of birds and spotted the largest grey squirrel I recall seeing in the desert southwest.

It was a great day to be outside on a scenic hike - thanks for the invite and the convo, Jason - delightful as always :lol:
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Saddle Mountain Trail to Squaw FlatPhoenix, AZ
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After hiking in sandals for 21 miles on Saturday, I wanted to get out and do something easier to see if my feet still hated me. S has not done a ton of hikes in the Mazzies and joined me. It was already in the mid-50s when we arrived at the Mormon Grove TH at 8:30. Nice gradual climb up to the side of Saddle Mountain where it levels off a bit with a few small ups and downs. Made it to McFarland Canyon, hydrated under the pines, checked out the mine that goes a short distance to nowhere, and continued to Squaw Flat. The trail from McFarland to Squaw Flat is in good shape, slightly overgrown but just ever so slightly. We spent a few minutes at the water trough and had lunch under the surviving Alligator Junipers. Made quick time on the hike back to McFarland Canyon where we ran into 7 horse riders having lunch. The climb out of McFarland was short but steep and was hot! I had forgotten how sun-exposed the trail is and we felt it on the hike out. Made a stop at the potato patch on the way out. Besides a couple of small blisters my feet felt pretty good after the beating they took on Saturday. Thanks S for joining me, always enjoy the company and convo. :lol:

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Through was dry.

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Saddle Mountain 6535 - MazatzalsPhoenix, AZ
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There are two summits on Saddle Mountain:
1) A summit to the north that is marked "6535" on topo maps. This one has the benchmark and 2 reference marks.
2) A summit to the south that does not have its elevation marked on topo maps.

If you look at a topo map the north summit is in a closed contour of 6520-6560 feet, and the south summit is in a closed contour of 6480-6520 feet. So based on the topo map, the north summit would be higher.

Based on this, I only went to the north summit when I hiked this peak back in early April of this year.

However, I subsequently found out the the topo map is missing a contour line for the south summit. This goes back to 2010 when the USGS revised their topo maps. The revised maps had a number of shortcomings, including some missing contour lines. Some color is provided in this link: http://www.cohp.org/writers/andymartin/ ... arison.txt

Here is the 2010 topo map for Saddle Mountain: [ image ]

With the extra contour line, both the north and south summits are in a closed contour of 6520-6560 feet. The north summit elevation of 6,535 feet is known, but the elevation of the south summit is not known, and the south summit might actually be higher.

Given that, I decided to head back up there and hike to the south summit, which is what I probably should have done the first time. That way, I could be assured that I tagged the Saddle Mountain highpoint.

I thought that getting to the south summit was tougher than getting to the north. There was a rocky, bouldery ridgeline to ascend that was very, very brushy. I managed to slowly make my way to the south summit -- at times I was going like zero mph.

The south summit had nicer views than the north summit, as there was no vegetation obstructing your views.

I had originally intended to return the way that I came, but after going up that ridgeline I wanted no part of going back down it. So I dropped down the saddle between the two summits, and traversed back underneath the north side of the south summit. From there I descended down to near Potato Patch before heading back to the TH.

It was a pleasant and sunny day for the hike. It was 42 degrees when I started, along with a pretty stiff breeze. The breeze died down as the day went on, and it was in the low 50's when I got back to the TH.

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I can't believe that I hiked up to Saddle Mountain for a second time, but I can unequivocally say that there won't be a third time.
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Oct 28 2023
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Mazatzal Saddle Mountain 6535 and Squaw Flat, AZ 
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Hiking13.61 Miles 3,062 AEG
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We started from Mormon Grove Trailhead around 7:30AM. On the drive in, we noticed Google Maps trying to route us from FR 627 through private property on Cross F Ranch to connect with FR 25, so we had to be sure to use FR 201 to connect with FR 25. There were three trucks at the trailhead, and it was ~45° when we started but felt comfortable in the sun.

Saddle Mountain Trail was a good warmup--wide open and easy, with some interesting color and formations with the red rocks near the Little Saddle Mountain intersection. Two miles in, we turned off and visited Potato Patch, and TBoneKathy generously waited while I started up toward the peak of Saddle Mountain. It steepness isn't too bad, but the brush makes it more...interesting. I put gloves on and got the clippers out, and even leaving Potato Patch to start up the base of the mountain required pushing/cutting through extremely thick brush and catclaw, to the point that I almost abandoned the plan when I saw how long it was going to take.

But the slope looked more open up higher, and once I got through that initial wall, it did open up a little, and my pace picked up as I worked my way up toward the rocky lower peak south of Saddle Mountain, and the views improved quickly [ youtube video ] . The brush closed in again as I circled around below the south/east side of the southern peak toward the saddle. In shorts and a T-shirt, I was getting shredded by branches...they were so thick that any serious effort and cutting a path through became a waste of time, and I mostly just tried to choose the least sharp obstacles and push through it.

Closer to the saddle, I saw signs of someone else's clipping, and there was a faint and brief trail that was a welcome relief for a few minutes. Once on the saddle, there was some easy scrambling up to the peak, which was also very brushy. I found the reference markers first, but thanks to the brush, I still took a while finding the benchmark even with the help of the RM arrows. I placed a summit register in the vicinity of the benchmark and recorded some videos and snapped some pictures. There's plenty of nice scenery all around, but with all the foliage on the peak, there are few if any spots with unobstructed 360° views and not many options to sit and enjoy the surroundings.

Summit view N/E: [ youtube video ]
Summit view S/W: [ youtube video ]

Knowing how long TBoneKathy had already been waiting, I just took a sip of water and headed down the same way, picking up more scratches on the return to Potato Patch. Getting up and back down took ~ two and a half hours to cover a little under two miles. Reunited, we resumed our regularly scheduled hike on Saddle Mountain Trail with the goal of getting as close to Plateau Overlook Point as we could. With my detour up to the peak, we probably weren't going to have time to get all the way there, but being back on an open trail after the bloodshed going up and down Saddle Mountain was a relief.

We continued on Sheep Creek Trail, which became more overgrown and a little tougher to follow after the Thicket Spring intersection. We took a short break near Squaw Flat Spring, then continued onto Copper Camp Trail. The trail finally climbed up out the creek bed, and the brush and the views opened up again. We turned around ~1.5 miles as-the-crow-flies from Plateau Overlook Point, though we still had the steepest part of Copper Camp Trail head of us, but it was nice to have view of Saddle Mountain from three different sides (and up close) today.

The hike out was uneventful, and a cool breeze picked up over the last few miles. We didn't see any hikers all day, just two hunters when we were almost back to the trailhead, and not much in the way of of wildlife other than some small tarantulas. Even though we didn't make the overlook, it was a fun day--new trails for both of us, and Saddle Mountain was a fun challenge that I'll relive via cuts and scratches for many days :). I was happy to make it up there, but it's not a peak I'm anxious to revisit anytime soon...the reward:punishment ratio is pretty low.
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Apr 23 2023
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Saddle Mountain Trail to Squaw FlatPhoenix, AZ
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Was trying to find a good area to hike in Sunday that wasn't going to be too hot and with the Superstition season basically over I looked at a couple different wilderness areas and decided to head over to the Mazatzal Wilderness. I've hiked a small portion of the Saddle Mountain trail before but never made it to Squaw Flat so that was the agenda for the day. The road to the Mormon Grove Trailhead was dusty but in good shape and no other cars were at the TH when I got there. The temps were perfect at the start in the high 50's. The Saddle Mountain Trail starts in a grove of Manzanita and climbs 600 feet the first two miles going around Saddle Mountain with the Arizona Trail coming in a half mile in so I knew I would see a couple people at some point. After dropping down into the wash at Sheep's Creek I came across two AZT thru hikers taking break and smoking a cigarette; hiking and smoking so healthy ](*,). Just before the 4 mile mark the trail drops steeply into McFarland Canyon and the scene changes to a pine forest with good flow in the creek. At this point the AZT heads up the Thicket Spring Trail and I continued on the Saddle Mountain Trail. Once past the AZT portion, trail conditions become less maintained. I never lost the trail but there was some overgrowth and deadfall to get around, nothing horrible by any means and it wasn't stuff that was going to make you bleed. Made it over to the Squaw Flat spring box and remnant's of the wood corral. I spent a good amount of time under the shade of a couple Junipers that survived the Sunflower fire, eating lunch and just taking in the sights and sounds of the area before starting back. The hike back was uneventful but pretty hot, even at 5,500 feet elevation, especially since there isn't much shade once you climb out of the canyon. Passed by 4 more AZT thru hikers on the way out with a couple of them asking about water condition, when I asked one guy how far he was going, he said Utah, lol so apparently doing it straight through. Made a quick stop at the Potato Patch to rehydrate. Besides it being a little warm on the way out, it was a great day. I haven't hiked much in the Mazzie's but the scenery is phenomenal, I definitely need to get out there more.
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dry Squaw Flat Spring Dry Dry
Had a small amount due to previous rains.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Upper McFarland @ #88/95 Medium flow Medium flow
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Saddle Mountain Trail to Squaw FlatPhoenix, AZ
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Overnight w/ kiddos. Road to Mormon Grove TH is in good shape and the trail fantastic. Paused at Potato Patch to collect a few hundred foxtails. Stopped at McFarland Creek for lunch, then set up my hammock for a nap and let the kids play with rocks and metal, then suddenly the afternoon was gone. Pleasant way to spend the time. Dinner was simple and we were all tucked in by 9. Overnight temps were pleasant and a light sweater was sufficient in the morning. Hike out was chilly in the shade. Back to the Jeep before noon, drove past the Bush Highway zoo, and went swimming at grandparents. Only saw one other hiker on Saddle Mountain Trail, he was doing a Peeley -> Cross F shuttle.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Upper McFarland @ #88/95 Light flow Light flow
Very deep pool at the usual spot, some trickle overflow that quickly dries up.
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Turn L off the 87 opposite of Mt Ord. This road is paved, the next turn is a car friendly dirt road. The next 2 turns are on rocky roads not suitable for cars or crossovers. Got started a bit later than expected due to these roads.

Great temps for this Halloween outing. Saw no one on the trails 😎 Constant beautiful views through the 1st portion of this hike. The Ship Creek trail then travels downward steeply on uneven ground. Go right at the creek.

I briefly checked out trail 95 b4 returning to 88. After it winds u left, the trail begins to get seriously overgrown to where it is a major challenge. Unable to make it to the final jct. May attempt again next year. 👻
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Saddle Mountain Trail #91Phoenix, AZ
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A group of us headed out from Mormon Grove on Saddle Mtn trail to install a new Mazatzal Wilderness sign in McFarland Canyon and do some brushing along the trail.

Fantastic weather, great group and no better place to spend a day!
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Sheep Creek CabinPhoenix, AZ
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This trip could be done as an enjoyable overnight or as a terrible dayhike. I chose the latter.

pre-trail
Driving down FR 25 from 201 was bad enough for my little minivan. Parked at the fork of 25/25A and walked up the rest of the way to Mormon Grove. New moon meant great sky views.

Saddle Mountain #91
Still in fantastic shape. Was a piece of cake to walk in the dark, even when a few overgrown branches cast scary shadows over the last mile or so. Potato Patch saddle was delightfully spooky, with those two big mountains towering above, blocking out the stars. Paused at MacFarland to pull a fresh liter and to gawk at the 'food cache'.

Sheep Creek #88
Getting to Squaw Flat Spring was easy with predawn light, though I still haven't found a track I like from there to the Copper Camp junction. Oh well. The final climb was quick and easy and I made it to the 'drop-off' just before the sunrise for some ridiculously good views. Drop was easier this time around, though the trail was a bit hard to track along the creek with the fall leaves. Which I was totally willing to deal with. Few pools along the way that dried up before the seep proper. Reached the cabin area to find a dry Round Spring and creek - which I needed. Hauled up to Sears Junction and the saddle above but couldn't pick up a path until I started dropping down the other side.

Sheep Creek Trail from Sears to Davenport is a bit easier to track than the eastern part of Sears Trail, with small cairns and faint tread to track, but it was easy to lose near the washes. Oh, and that last drop down the ridge after the Sears Junction is terrible, all rolling rocks that really know how to tweak knees. I did find it interesting how small most of the cairns are, as if someone recently did some revival work, there's just not enough traffic out this way to sustain it. Once I reached Davenport Wash I was struck at how different these two trails were - Davenport Wash is like 90% packed footpath with a few cairns and Sheep Creek is 90% tiny cairn tracking and sorting through game trails.

Davenport Wash #89
Section from Sheep Creek to Club Cabin felt a bit harder to follow today, or else I was just in a rush for water. Reached the old cabin to the smell/sight of fresh horse manure but no one in sight. Drank 2 liters here, pulled another 2, figuring that would be enough to last until Deadman Creek. While I was pulling water a bear tried to sneak up on me, but I heard him crunching the leaves (about twenty feet away) and told him kindly to wait his turn.

Onto the fun part. Getting to Red Rock Spring area was simple, good trail that was being overtaken by various spiky things with well-worn alternative routes. Climbing out of Red Rock was a solid gut-punch of elevation and I accidentally ended up on a game trail about forty feet above the actual path but kept to it, unwilling to lose an inch. We met back up in time to tackle two miles of manzanita / catclaw / holly? mess that left me dripping blood from a dozen cuts. Then it was time to slip-slide descend into Upper Deadman, which was dry, and then climb back out, and I chose a bad route initially and had to do sketchy scrambling before finding the real way, and then haul up the grassy hill that never ends.

When I hit mile 21, with forty minutes of daylight left and unknown trail conditions ahead, I had to stop. Drank the last of my water, ate a disgustingly sweet bar of some sort, and watched ballooning strands sparkle over Deadman Creek in the dying day's light. It was one of those moments that I hope I never lose, feeling the concerns about getting back to a decent trail before sunset melting away in the face of silent, overpowering beauty.

Back to the hike. Hauled up the rest of the way to round the cliff by 5400' and find a lonely cairn marking the turn. Which was nice, because there hadn't been dependable cairns for much of the climb from the creek. The terrain got real rocky real fast, huge red boulders that were anything but stable, though there was a packed path hidden in the manzanita that slowly got better as I traveled east. In fact, even after the sun set, I was able to move pretty quick as obvious maintenance made the last mile painless. To whoever did this, you are awesome. Reached Chilson around six and wasted little time booking up Brody and swinging around on the Mazatzal Divide. Stopped before the saddle to don some extra clothes (temps drop fast up there) and wish for some water.

Barnhardt #43
Was far too easy to trot down, even after all those miles. One thing worth mentioning was that I was about a mile in when a large chopper slowly started flying up the canyon. It took a minute for me to register the spotlight on it and I didn't turn off my headlamp in time. They quickly zeroed in on me, swinging low circles and blinding me with their light. I waved them away but it took a while for them to acknowledge and fly away, turning towards the Sandy Saddle area. I'm unsure if someone else was in trouble and called them in or if it was a police chopper making routine rounds or what.

Yet another quiet day in the Mazzies. Didn't see anyone on the trail, only one other car parked at Barnhardt during pick-up. (Big thanks to @reynchr for assisting with the shuttle)

Mazatzal Miles: 181.5/275 (66%)
Finally got every trail southeast of Mountain Spring completed! (except Fig, but Fig only kinda counts)


water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Club Spring - Table Mountain Quad Quart per minute Quart per minute

dry Hawaiian Mist Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Red Rock Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Flowing right across Davenport Wash Trail crossing, most convenient.

dry Rock Spring Dry Dry

dry Round Spring Dry Dry



water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Upper McFarland @ #88/95 Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
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1st trip
Wanted to knock out a gaggle of trails in the southern Mazatzal area. Most of them are AZT, so I figured a +30 mile day wouldn't be terrible. Today my feet disagree, but details.

Little Saddle Mountain #244
Did most of this trail lit by headlamp + full moon. Seemed pretty. Along the creek things got a little overgrown and it was hard to navigate in low light. Turned off headlamp at 4:30 and enjoyed the predawn views for the last mile.

Saddle Mountain #91
This trail is legit. Big views, well maintained, and minimal elevation gain. I cruised along this section when I wasn't drinking in the sights. I wanted to make the Story Mine loop at the end for completion sake and regretted it - as soon as the path leaves the AZT it is quickly swallowed up by catclaw. And I didn't even find the mine :(

Sheep Creek #88
Beautiful drop into McFarland. Bit steep, could see the south direction being painful. Headed to Squaw Flat Spring to complete this segment of the trail and was surprised at how easy the way was. Few deadfall, some overgrowth, clear tread. Still no water at the spring so I filtered up at a murky pool on the way back.

Thistle Spring #95 (Sheep Creek :next: West Fork)
Pleasant jaunt along McFarland and then a sudden twist and climb up a dry wash. Legs were starting to get angry here so that climb was not appreciated. There was a tripod set up at the West Fork junction that was weird.

West Fork #260
Short climb and long descent. It's a short one, so there's not much to say. Decent views. I tried to track where 25A came down into the canyon below to pass the time.

Cornucopia #86
Hot climb up a trickling creek. A few sections didn't have any burn damage, so I imagine that this is what the non-ponderosa pine forest areas looked like before 2004/2012 (depending on where in the Mazzies you're looking). Sporadic junipers, willows along the creek, and random tall pines. Could be wrong. Anyways, after the junction w/ Thistle Spring the trail got mean fast. Steady uphill over rolling rocks in full exposure to the sun. As soon as I tapped the Mazatzal Divide Trail sign I turned and fled back downhill to the shade.

Thistle Spring #95 (Cornucopia :next: West Fork)
Tough climbs with well-earned views on top. Lost the trail on the second (shorter) climb and meandered around until I could pick it back up. This trail is definitely getting thick, probably because the AZT skips past it now, but being able to see (Little Saddle Mountain?) and Saddle Mountain to the south and Sheep / Peeley ridge to the north from one spot was pretty awesome. Fast drop back to West Fork where I found the tripod waiting - glad it didn't go War-of-the-Worlds or anything.

West Fork #260
Again? Same as last time, only hotter. Filtered some water at the bottom for a late lunch break.

25A to Cross F Trailhead
For a road walk / connector this was pretty nice. There is a well-defined trail connecting the West Fork / Cornucopia junction south to the end of the road, and then the road jumps in and out and back and forth across West Fork Sycamore Creek. A smell of diesel hung in the air but I didn't see or hear any vehicles along the way. Most of it was shaded and a breeze was starting to kick up and rustle the hot air. Connecting to N Beeline was annoying, as the old track is gated off as private, so I just jumped into the creek and hung out with some cattle before climbing back out north of the trailhead.

Sunflower #344
A quick water refill and shirt change and it was back up on Little Saddle Mountain to connect to Sunflower. LSM was pretty in the light, partly shaded and dancing along the edge of the creek. Turning onto Sunflower meant a quick drop and climb, going under some powerlines, and then miles of rocky two-track. Closer to Sunflower the path breaks off on its own and swings towards Diamond Mountain before going under N Beeline. But it's not done yet - another half mile of AZT, a quick crossing of the Sycamore, and then a dusty haul up to Bushnell before this trail is completed.

N Beeline to Cross F Trailhead
The tumble down from Bushnell parking back to Sycamore was graceless but got me back on N Beeline without playing frogger on AZ-87. Whole herd of deer was near the bottom of the bridge, unperturbed by the traffic overhead yet terrified of me. Paved roadwalk was about as fun as paved roadwalks can get. No traffic, as the sun was setting by now, and I returned to the trailhead before eight.

Mazatzal Miles: 129.8/275 (47%)

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Hot. Drank 3 gallons of water (~half mixed w/ electrolytes) and 2 frozen powerades (for good luck). Forecast promised 85ish, thermometer claimed 95+.
Not a single person on the trails today. Well, there were some vehicles at Cross F when I stopped back in the afternoon, but didn't see any people on the trail. Only one driver was spotted from a distance. Quiet day in the Mazzies for such accessible trails.
Distance wasn't that big of a deal, though I need some better insoles to deal with the darn rocks.
Really need to start looking to the west/north. There's a lot of trails up there (Verde/Wet Bottom/Red Hills) that I haven't touched yet :(


dry Thicket Spring Dry Dry
Dry at spring. Water can be found downstream along Cornucopia Trail.

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Saddle Mountain - AZT #22Phoenix, AZ
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Three of went us out to McFarland Canyon to remove a deadfall, some light brushing and a short reroute to bypass a somewhat steep drop to cross a wash. Temps were great all day I don’t think it even made it to 70!

The trail is in great shape and the crew that improved the Story mine to McFarland stretch did excellent work - that descent has had “problems” on and off for the last 25 years :lol:

After we cleared the deadfall we went back to McFarland Canyon for lunch - such a great place :)
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Mar 18 2017
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Saddle Mountain 6535 - MazatzalsPhoenix, AZ
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking5.96 Miles 1,975 AEG
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Blanco has been sending me PMs making fun of how far ahead of me he is on stats this year so I decided I should grab some AEG with a quick trip up Mt. Ord in the morning before it got too warm out.

Out of the blue I asked Bob if he wanted to go, and I was a bit surprised to find him at the Wendys on the way there. Not 5 minutes into the drive he asked if I had ever done Saddle Mtn. Nope. It was everything I wasn't looking to do today. Not much mileage. Definitely not much aeg. And not the nice wide trail experience I was looking for.

Somehow I agreed anyway.

Let's just say that HAZ and Route Scout failed me. I tried to get a new track, and didn't spend any time actually looking at what I was downloading while driving 80-something on the beeline. A mile or two into the hike I realized that the hike called "Saddle Mountain from Mormon" didn't go anywhere close to summiting Saddle Mountain! ](*,)

Not that we couldn't have figured it out, but I like a little research on my off-trail adventures. I got a signal and managed to spy a view at JJ3 and Fliver's posted routes. That was somewhat helpful.

Takeaway. Wear pants. Much blood was drawn without them. : rambo :

I didn't have my zip bottoms with me since the Mt. Ord hike isn't really overgrown. Oh well.

The Saddle Mtn Trail #91 portion is nice. Too nice. A trail crew was out there with dustbusters making the trail smooth enough to play bocce. Seriously. Volunteer trail crews are awesome, but the folks in charge need to pick some rougher sections of trail to work on. I could have driven my truck in 2wd without pinstriping for at least 2 miles from Mormon Grove, and there were still awesome volunteers making improvements! :o

Picked a different route down and then traversed over to Potato Patch which is a pretty cool area. Definitely a less boring hike than Ord. But not really comparable either. Fun day though. Wasn't ever even on my radar!
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Mar 18 2017
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This haz been on my radar for several years. I heard it was nasty before the fire. I would rate it a 1.5 out of 5 on the off trail suck meter although I did have long pants. Bruno P and I attempted it a few years ago but we got snowed out.Chums wanted to hike a road and it didn't really appeal to me but I would have done it had Norge objected. Cool views of supes,3 peaks, squaw flats, and other far away areas. Mazzy 16 will probably never happen, but today, I felt like I could do any one of them separately. After hike, jumped in the pool and then took a well deserved nap.
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Apr 09 2016
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Saddle Mountain - Mazatzals, AZ 
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Hiking6.69 Miles 2,034 AEG
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This hike was more of a test of fortitude than a hike. Half way through the hike, I started laughing out loud.
(Good thing I was alone).

Hike Positives
1 - I easily located a benchmark on the summit of Saddle Mountain.
2 - I also located two reference marks that I didn’t know existed.
3 - The hike is over.

Oh yes - another positive - I discovered that the normal clothes-washer cycle, takes soot out of hiking clothes.

Hike Negatives
1 - The off trail climb and descent was nasty, craggy, hiker-unfriendly, and absolutely full of thick vegetation on all steep sides, AND on the summit.
2 - Mixed in with all the tall, thick brush was charred brush remnants, from the Sunflower Fire of 2012 and earlier burns. (excellent to blacken all parts of your hiking costume).

Most mountains lose their “look”, the closer you get to them and Saddle Mountain is no different. Saddle Mountain is very distinctive from afar - It’s taller than the mountains around it, so it stands out in a very majestic way, what with its unique shape.
Up close - It’s not so majestic.

The trail (#91) portion of the hike was excellent. Trail #91 started life as a road and is now a very nice, wide trail.
The off trail climb, up and down, was very steep, with a bit of scree, and boulder hopping, but I assumed it would be. No surprises there.

What I wasn’t prepared for was the constant brush. I’d say the thick brush was over 95% of the off trail portion, with the actual top of the mountain totally covered with thick, 6 ft high vegetation. When I finally got up there, I actually did laugh out loud.
I felt like the mountain top was saying “Gotcha”, especially since the mountain looks so docile, and friendly from below.

As mentioned, I located the USGS benchmark “SADDLE” (1963). I located both reference marks first, then followed their arrows to the ‘brush hiding’ BM. All three disks are in excellent shape.

I unsuccessfully looked for a summit log on the ‘horn’ of the saddle and on the actual high point. I don’t think this summit gets alot of action, and I believe only a few HAZ members have made the fun journey to the top.

I stayed on top for quite a long time, after I took photos of the benchmark etc. I found a large boulder near the saddle, and had lunch.
I eventually stopped laughing at the mountain, and I finally got rid of my ‘mountain-malice’.

My choice of routes up and down were a ‘coin toss’. Looking back now, I don’t believe there’s a clear way up to the top that would be better. Give it a try and let me know.
Dress accordingly - Try to fully encapsulate your body.

Or get a helicopter and get ‘lowered down’ to the summit. I’ll guarantee you the chopper pilot will not land on the top.

I log this as a very successful hike, but in many ways, the mountain won.
I guess I’ll call it a draw.
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Saddle - Thicket - West Fork - Cornucopia, AZ 
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Hiking11.67 Miles 2,457 AEG
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Parked at FR25 / 25A junction and hiked up FR25 to Mormon Grove TH, take Saddle Mtn trail to McFarland Canyon and continue on Thicket Spring trail to West Fork trail to Cornucopia trail and take that back to 25A and return to the 25/25A junction.

The area is recovering a bit from the Sunflower fire. The new posts installed by Shawn and team look good and will be even better when the signs are added :lol: We saw an Arizona black buzzworm along Saddle Mtn trail.

The area seemed eerily quiet today. From the time we left the Beeline to getting back we saw no people and no vehicles anywhere in the area except on the drive back we saw one pickup. There are usually at least a few people/vehicles at all the camping spots along FR 25.
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Saddle Mountain Loop w/ Summit, AZ 
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Saddle Mountain has been on my "to do" list for quite some time now. Every time I do Mount Ord I look across and think "I need to do that one". Somehow it never pops up on my radar but yesterday we were all sitting on Stewart Mountain and there it was again off in the distance. So today was the day. I took a copy of GPS Joes Saddle Mountain hike in which he goes down to Sheep Creek.

I had plotted a route up and was going to take that ridge on the way back from Joe's hike but instead I just went at it from the north. I don't know if this was the best plan or not but it worked. There was some pretty decent scrambling involved so if that's not your thing I would take a different approach.

Up top it was extremely brushy in most spots. I didn't find a register but I did spot the benchmark. Once up top I decided to go down the saddle and then up the horn side. For a minute I thought I found the register there but no such luck.

From that end I was looking down into Potato Patch and the views from there were incredible. I could see the lakes but couldn't pin point Stewart Mountain.

From there I just descended down towards the trail. It was again very brushy. I heard a noise and when I looked up I saw a couple white tail deer.

I am glad I did this one and the loop ended up being really cool. If your desire is just to summit then there are much easier ways to do so. If you have the time and are up for an adventure this route may be for you.
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Saddle Mountain Trail to Squaw FlatPhoenix, AZ
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Wierd day...Went to Mills Ridge then Deer Creek and settled parking at 627 and hiking up to Mormon TH and over towards Saddle mountain. Bruno was a rockstar and lead most of the hike. I wanted to go thru Mcfarland but he had other plans to hit Mormon. I guess he knew lunch would be waiting for him there :doh: . Fun day and a swim in 60 degree water and a shower and Bruno is laying on my wife's side of the bed licking his paws and dreaming of the leg he couldn't drag home.
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Hmm where to go :-k Ah I know the Mazatzals :lol:
Mormon Grove TH along Saddle Mountain trail to Potato Patch then off trail. The plan was to go down Tournament Creek to Saddle Mtn Spring, there used to be a route down here but no evidence now. Potato Patch is a nice meadow but no spuds. I got to the upper end of Tournament creek about half way to the spring and gave up - too overgrown and brutal bushwacking. I went back to the trail and continued to McFarland Canyon, up to the Sheep / Copper junction and then back to the TH.
Even though I didn't get to Saddle Mtn Spring I had a great day with perfect weather.
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Small plants are recovering nicely considering how recent the fire was. Took LSMT up to Saddle Mtn and continued on Saddle Mtn trail and then back to Mormon Grove and down the road. FR25 is in good shape now we just need the gates open. Saw 2 deer.
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I set out to see the damage of the Sunflower fire. I parked at the intersection of FR210 & FR25. There was a troop of Boy Scouts getting ready for a backpack. A couple of adults came over to ask if I've been to the mine at the end of FR201a. I told them that I've never been to that one. They mentioned that they got the idea from HikeAZ and that one of the scout leaders was Preston the Yenti's dad.

I headed down FR25. About 1.30 miles in, I got sidetracked. I came to a decommissioned road behind a locked gate. I've always wondered what was behind here. My GPS showed that the road was about half mile long. I went down and saw the remains of some structures and the road went into the East Fork of the Sycamore creek. The creek was wide and mostly sandy. After a bit it turned into a box canyon with ample shade. I set my turn around point to whenever there was any rock hoping or climbing. To my surprise I didn't find any. There was maybe two spots with some rocks. Then a there was some water flowing down the creek. At one point, I saw the boy scouts up on FR201. I also found a busty water gauge in the creek. I hit a T section that was burned out. The creek flowed from the left, so I followed it. My GPS showed that the creek crossed a FR. So that was my new interim goal, to find the road and see where it takes me.

Right by the road was a mine and a furnace. This is the mine that the boy scouts were going to! I hiked up FR201a and saw the troop. We talked a bit and I headed back down FR201a. I found a semi-fresh graded road right off of 201a. It lead to a pretty flat area and continued on for about 1/4 mile. I wonder if this was used as a staging area for the Sunflower fire. I returned to FR201a and took it to a 4 - way intersection. To the south was FR4721 (that leads to FR25a), to the west was FR201a(that leads to the Davey Gowan TH) and to the east was an unnumbered road (that one leads back to the locked gate).

I took the FR4721 to FR25a. FR4721 had some pretty bad washouts on it. At FR25A,I turned to the East and headed towards FR25. Right before the bridge was a major washout, that would stop all vehicles from passing. The bridge was covered in sand. About a 1/4 mile from FR25, there was a new locked gate. Then past that, FR25a had a major 10 foot wide washout. It was too steep to climb down, so I bushwhacked around it.

Now I finally was going up to the Mormon Groove TH. The fire did a number on FR25. I took me a bit to figure out where the road was or is. This area needs some serious work to allow vehicle to get through. Once I started climbing up FR25, the road was pretty good. There was a couple of rough spots and one rock slide.

At the Mormon Groove TH, there's a new ~10foot radio tower. I'm guessing this was a radio repeater for the fire fighters.

I went down the Little Saddle trail for a couple of miles. There are some burnt sections. The silver lining to the fire is that now you have some better views of the area. I could see some roads that I couldn't before.

I returned down FR25 to the Jeep. I was in the dark for the last hour.
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