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General Crook Trail #140 - Apache SitgreavesNF - 26 members in 142 triplogs have rated this an average 2.7 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Aug 02 2025
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Drew - See loop, AZ 
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LindaAnnTriplogs 2,600
Hiking12.16 Miles 2,102 AEG
Hiking12.16 Miles   6 Hrs   18 Mns   2.14 mph
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Katie wanted to hike on the Rim today, so we opted for the Drew-See Canyon loop. East on Highline to start. Warm. Zero breeze. Saw an Arizona Black rattler. Katie wondered why the only time she sees rattlers, I am present. It’s a mystery.

Took our time up Drew trail. Still no breeze. Once up top, we went north of the campground and headed west on Aspen, Carr, and General Crook. Finally, a nice breeze. Saw a horned lizard and a coyote.

Warm hike down See Canyon. The trail is in rough shape in places, and a fair amount of deadfall. Lost the breeze again. Skipped the spring. Some water in the creek, but not much. Nice loop, and good to catch up with Katie.

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General Crook Trail V107-V114, AZ 
General Crook Trail V107-V114, AZ
 
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kingsnakeTriplogs 894
Hiking9.22 Miles 461 AEG
Hiking9.22 Miles   3 Hrs   36 Mns   2.56 mph
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On our drive, it started raining as we neared Rim Rd. It got particularly heavy near Heber. No rain at trailhead. I hoped it would slide south, along the Rim, rather than east along the trail.

In 250 yds., on the right, was a cluster of trees where I expected to find V107. (Based on V106 supposedly being west of the trailhead.) After searching for five minutes, no joy. I couldn't find the vehicle wreck in Day Wash either. Just a pile of non-vehicular random metal garbage.

When the trail reaches FR 124B, at the 1-mile mark, I saw two chevrons on the south side of the road: The first followed the foot trail; the second, 50 yds. away, led off who knows where. Anyway, turn left on FR 124B. It has chevrons as well. 😏

Just past V108 -- obvious on the left -- follow markers left, off FR 124B, northeast along foot path.

The next mile is along the west bank of an unnamed wash. The opposite side is dense with young gambel oak. (I assume from post-fire reseeding.) The markers were widely spaced so, following the foot path, I missed another turn. No big deal, but it explains why my mileage for the day was two miles longer than this segment’s ~7 mile distance.

I could not locate V109 after crossing the unnamed wash. Crossing FR 107, the route gets back on jeep trail. V110 was obvious, on the left, a third of a mile past Willow Wash. I had 3-bar reception everywhere I checked today — except only 1-bar at the end — probably due the cell tower cleary visible a quarter mile north of the Willow Wash crossing.

The jeep trail splits at the 4-mile mark. The split is where I saw my first blue White Mountain Trail System diamond. I felt occasional rain drops. V111 should be before Williams Ranch, but I did not find it.

Heading east along the ranch's north boundary, I could see the hamlet of Clay Springs, despite now steady drizzle. By the time I reached Ricochet Rd., it was full on raining. In 2014, mile marker V112 existed, unpainted and well worn. After searching for fifteen minutes, it joined the growing list of things I did not find. 🤦🏻‍♂️

The rain ended about 1:00 p.m. I stopped for lunch about where V113 should be. I found neither it nor V114.

I’ve now completed the General Crook Trail, Black Canyon Trail, Maricopa Trail, and C&O Canal Towpath. I should be picking up my final two segments of the Prescott Circle Trail this summer. What should my next project be?

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Besides pictured flowers also spotted alpine false springparsley, American vetch, yellow salsify, and what may have been James’ catseye. Not much better than Phoenix, but better than expected.

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Loop via Highline - Drew - GC - See, AZ 
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DesertNymphTriplogs 81
Hiking12.30 Miles 2,056 AEG
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With some slightly cooler weather in the forecast during the week and some time on my hands, I figured I'd pop up to the rim country for another hike. I'd initially planned on hitting up one of the more popular hikes I haven't done (Derrick-Highline-Horton), but with rain over the weekend and recent triplogs mentioning sticky mud post precipitation on Derrick, I pivoted to another nearby hike that I anticipated might also benefit from a weekday visit. With my general preference for loop hikes, I saw that some had made a loop out of the See Canyon Trailhead, and I figured I'd follow their example.

Met up well after sunrise to make the uneventful drive up to the rim - spotted a few folk camping out on the road to the trailhead and arrived to find two other vehicles parked in the lot. There were some low clouds perched atop the rim when we arrived, and a chance of thundershower activity in the forecast for mid afternoon. With the recent rains and additional precipitation in the forecast, it was a bit sticky, but the temps were pleasantly cool.

Heading out from the parking area, we walked a short distance before crossing the creek to the See Canyon/Highline junction - opting to do the hike counter clockwise, we started our gradual climb up towards the rim - I imagine fall colors must be quite beautiful with the mix of oak and maple along with the evergreens. The initial climb went by relatively quickly with occasional views through the trees before we found ourselves at the barbed wire gate and the junction with the Drew Trail (marked with blue diamonds) where it was evident there was still more climbing to be done with the top of the mogollon still high above us. After a brief respite from the climb with some open views, the trail took off again at a steeper grade, surfacing on the rim near a camping area and crossing a dirt road. Once on the rim, the Drew continues through heavily thinned forest (turns out all the orange on the trees was to denote "leave tree" for logging operations - at least this is the convention used in Coconino NF) before hitting the General Crook Trail (marked with white chevrons). Walking along the General Crook started off as a nice single-track path, which eventually devolved into following an obvious old dirt road. While the track was easy to follow, the walking was decidedly mundane. The trail eventually reverted back to more of a walking path (marked with a combination of chevrons on trees and pink flags in the ground) while paralelling the Rim Road before departing the General Crook to start dropping quickly into the Christopher Creek Drainage via the See Canyon trail.

Aside from the steep descent, the hike back to the parking area travels through some really lush, wonderfully green forest (be aware that there is poison ivy in the area adjacent to the trail). The canyon was dry in the upper reaches, but we eventually passed an area where water could be heard (and seen below). Continuing down canyon, the water seemed to disappear briefly before resurfacing again. When we passed the junction with the offshoot to See Spring, neither of us was particularly interested in the detour, so we continued on back to the car.

During the hike, the clouds lifted off the rim, but looked to be building again as we were starting our drive back towards the valley. Thanks for joining me and driving, Wally! It was good to squeeze in another moderate-distance hike before the heat severely hampers my hiking.

Other hikers: one backpacker coming down the highline trail, one trailrunner along the general crook trail.

Wildlife: Heard an owl, got sassed by some fat squirrels, chased some butterflies (but didn't get any photos), photographed an uncooperative horned lizard, heard plenty of birdsong, and spotted a few deer on the rim.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Christopher Creek @ Highline Trail Medium flow Medium flow
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The springs in the canyon must be flowing, though volume is unconfirmed (didn't go and check actual spring locations). Higher up in the canyon, the drainage is dry - the water surfaces, then goes underground, then resurfaces again.

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Loop via Highline - Drew - GC - See, AZ 
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Hiking12.30 Miles 2,056 AEG
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Stephanie planned a loop on the rim and I went along to enough some cooler hiking. Highline/Drew trails went up, up, up. General Crook trail went up about 200 feet but seemed level. See Canyon went down, down down.

Stephanie took an inventory of the flora along the way. We saw 3 deer up on the rim. We only passed 1 hiker and a trail runner on the hundred flower loop. A breeze and some cloud cover helped with the humidity.

The trails up and down were well defined but the General Crook trail had a few direct roads and grass filled trails sections that made a GPS useful. It seemed the upper area was open and scenic but no elk were out and about.

The drive through Payson was easy and the road were not busy. Last tine through there was much more traffic. Thanks for the hike Stephanie and the nice triplog with the details.
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High - Drew - Woods - Sinkhole, AZ 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking15.62 Miles 2,358 AEG
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Got an invite from Chums to hike up in the rim country. We both suggested basically the same hike, one that we've both done a few times before. He assembled a cast of motley rag-tag degenerates to join us. Tough_Boots (It's been 9 years since I last hiked with him), Kackln' Karl (Been a 1.5 years since I hiked with him) Johnny Speed demon (aka 8K) and Chumley as the Beaver.

Starting at the 260 TH we made our way west on the Highline Trail, 4.5 miles to the Drew Trail intersection. Some don't care for the Highline Trail, but I think this is a nice trail to start your hike in the morning. It rollercoasters its way over with some nice rim views.

The Drew Trail is an 800' climb in a bit over a mile to get to the top of the rim. It gets the heart pumping. We took a bit of a break up here to gather all the participants, before continuing over to the Woods Canyon approach to the lake. For those of you that ever wondered, "The Drew Trail #291 derives its name from the Drew family, early pioneers who homesteaded near Sharp Creek in Arizona. Prior to 1909, they constructed this trail to facilitate travel to Winslow, making it one of the region's oldest pioneer routes. The trail served as a vital connection between their homestead and the broader territory."

The up canyon feeder showed evidence of a low intensity prescribed burn the entire length. The grasses were turning green, snow melt had created numerous deep clear pools and there was still a smattering of snow left over.

Hitting Woods Canyon Lake we started seeing people enjoying the lake. There were quite a few less than a typical Saturday. After corralling Chums9L, we took a lunch break at the lake. The Stellar Jays perched very closely in the trees around us waiting for us to drop a morsel for them.

Continuing around the lake we said hi to my cousins, chilling high in their abode, before Kyle and I split from the group at the spillway. We took the less exciting route of the Meadow Trail + Rim Lake Vista before meeting back up with the group at the Military Sinkhole Trail. From here it was a 2.4 mile drop back to the TH.

Good times and great hiking again with the extended group of puerile misfits. The weather all day was pretty much perfect.
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High - Drew - Woods - Sinkhole, AZ 
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Hiking14.74 Miles 1,924 AEG
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This is a springtime favorite for when the fireball starts to make the lower elevations hikes less enjoyable. A couple of late-season storms provided a some snowpack with lingering drifts, but the overall moisture content up here is well below average, with little or no spring runoff happening in the typical spots. The February 28 start of fire restrictions was a bit premature in my opinion, but with wind and warmer temps coming over the next 2-3 months, there could be dangerous conditions up here if a couple of spring storms don't bring relief.

Highline to Drew always ends up lasting just a little bit longer than I'd prefer, but Drew goes by quickly. No skitters on the rim this year, which was a welcome change. Grasses seem to be filling in the unsightly masticated forest floor left behind from the aggressive thinning that has been going on over the past few years. That's a welcome thing too.

The lack of snow has resulted in roads that were open for all but a couple of weeks, and the lake was bustling with crowds of people escaping the triple digits in the valley. Not much activity on the north shore though, so that was nice. At the dam, Bruceboots opted for the longer carbon-dioxide, boombox, tourist-strewn route, while the rest of us opted for scenery and peace.

Back at the sinkhole we made our way back to the trailhead, enjoying the unnecessary 2 extra miles that this trail decides to make for no apparent reason.

Nice temps all day, a lot more cloudiness than expected, and the kind of breeze that keeps the noseeumgnats away. In spite of the company, all-in-all, an enjoyable day.

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No flow into the lake, but pools in the canyon.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Woods Canyon Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Didn't see a dry spot below the dam.

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Joined Kyle, 9L, Chums and Bruce for a loop around the rim from Two-Sixty Trailhead. It's been a few years since doing this but it's a pleasant hike. Starting on Highline then over to Drew Trail where the climb begins. Highline is now a sidewalk with all the work done over past few years but Drew wasn't bad either. Reaching the rim we all took a break and regrouped.

After the break we headed for Woods Canyon Lake on a side drainage that eventually dumped us into one of the lake arms. Along the way we passed some decent patches of snow still left over from the last good snow storm. Eventually we followed lake arm around the northside of the lake.

Took a lunch break on the northside in the rocks overlooking the lake. Ran into a few people along the way now that all the road access is open. After lunch we hiked to the spillway and the usual crowd was there but we were back to solitude along the creek below the spillway.

Followed the creek to Chumleys exit point about 1.5 miles downstream. Then hiked cross country back to the rim and the Military Sink Hole Trail. Followed that trail back to the trailhead. Great to hike with this group again!!
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General Crook Trail V99-V107, AZ 
General Crook Trail V99-V107, AZ
 
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Hiking10.19 Miles 432 AEG
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The first three miles of this segment are on decommissioned FR 166. I’ve seen sources that refer to FR 166 as “FR 166B”. I’m going with the sign actually on the road.

V100 is 1.2 miles from what I believe may be V99. The Scouts did not have GPS when they installed the markers in 1976, so the word “mile” should be taken with a grain of salt. Indeed, V101 is only 0.7 miles from V100. @The_Eagle waypointed V100 and V101 in the past decade, so I was reasonably certain they existed.

V102, V104 and V106 I was unsure about, and so guesstimated their locations by distance relative to known mile markers. When I got within a quarter mile of where I thought V102 might be located, I hiked slower, closely scanning each side of FR 166. I found V102 1.1 miles past V101.

After crossing FR 124, the "trail" becomes actual trail, passing an old corral and a cattle tank. I saw the day’s first wild horses by the corral. I also saw lots of squirrels and a jack rabbit. On the drive in, my wife exclaimed, “Watch out! Deer!” I thought, “That’s an odd looking deer.” Looked to my left, and saw one with hooked antlers. The “deer” were pronghorn. 😆

FR 146 gets more vehicle traffic than other nearby roads. Most folks were responsible drivers, but one guy was hauling pumpkin. FR 146 has white on green mile markers, counting down as you hike north. A wash parallels FR 146. V104 should be near the wash, but I could not find it.

Following the chevrons, the trail veers off FR 146, towards the wash, at 5¼ miles. The relief lasts for only half a mile. Along the way, I found a chevron laying on ground. I used my multitool to nail it back up.

V105 is obvious 50 yds. before te trail splits off FR 146 onto unsigned FR 146C. After a short, rocky, climb out of the forest, FR 146C enters the severe burn area where the Rodeo and Chediski Fires collided on June 23, 2002. Not much vegetation left, other than grass and scrub, with some young post-fire oak. AZ-260 is visible a half mile north. I had 3-bar Verizon reception.

V106 should be somewhere near the intersection of FR 146C and FR 124C, which heads south, up ZB Draw. I could not find V106. The trail continues east, on the same dirt track, which is renumbered as FR 9863S. The hillside between the draw and FR 124 is dotted with 18″ tall plastic cones, apparently a reforestation project. 🌾

After finishing this General Crook Trail segment, my wife & I headed home. Or so we thought. The AZ-260 construction delay near Forest Lakes was 50 — FIFTY!!! 🤬 — minutes. Three times vehicles were waved east before our westboound traffic was allowed to move. There was some very aggressive driving heading towards Payson. Like Daytona, with similar speeds. I was still ballistic when I got home …

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Basically nothing. Even though the weather was pleasant — mid-70s, partly cloudy — few flowers remained: scattered mostly pathetic yarrow, two skyrocket, a few showy goldeneye, and a single fleabane.
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Scouting Roads Near Heber, AZ 
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Scouting dirt roads before I do my penultimate segment of Trail #140.

Summary

FR 51 to FR 124: Typical car-drivable dirt road.

FR 125 to Holcomb ruins: Final mile not as bad as I remember, but still not car-drivable.

FR 166B: North of Holcomb, what was FR 125 changes name to FR 166B and gets rougher, with loose rocks up to 12″ and slippery sand. After 1.5 miles, I turned around. FR 166B is a part of Trail #140 I was thinking of biking, but 🔩 that: I’ll hike it.

FR 124 to FR 146: Some rocky sections, but rocks pounded solidy into road surface, not loose, so more like cobble stones. Car-drivable. Around Hess Tank, I stopped to check my GPS. There was enough room on my left to pass. I heard a whiny engine coming up fast. I started to move further right, only to slam on my brakes when a Kenny Brack-wannabe decided to pass on the right. Bite me. Did not follow the last five miles to AZ-260.

FR 146 to AZ-260: As befitting it’s higher-level topo map symbol, FR 146 was the best dirt road of all. Easily car-drivable.

FR 124A: No thanx. Bailed by ranch gate after ⅓ mile. (I drive a stock Acura RDX SUV: A jeep would be fine.)

FR 144 to FR 124: A clone of FR 146, but with many RV campers. We pulled off FR 144 next to Pierce Wash, to have a picnic. A herd of wild horses was 50 yds. away. Usually, they shy away if people get any closer. Not these guys! 👇

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Down from last week, even in Phoenix Park.
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General Crook Trail V89-V99, AZ 
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Before I started hiking, I scouted the route my shuttle-driving wife would need to take to pick me up. FR 300 mile 52-54 was okay. Mile 54-58 was quite rocky. Mile 58 to FR 125 (mile ~60.6) was better. FR 125 was okay. Driving up the east side of Phoenix park was rutted & slow. It took us sixty minutes to drive the 19.4 miles from AZ-260, mostly at 10-15 mph in an SUV. Cars should avoid.

We returned to FR 487. My wife was okay with the drive, so she took off ahead of me.

It was dreary & drizzling.

Facing FR 487, I picked up the first chevron across FR 300 on the right (the northeast corner). The GPS route attached below does not include every chevron I found. There’s just too many. Instead, I waypointed chevrons every quarter mile or so.

The "trail" was paralleling FR 300, but 50-100 ft. to its north. It was easy cross country travel: no obstacles, relatively flat. After a ½ mile, entering an area of youthful pine — an old burn area — I made a 90° left, away from the chevrons, towards the graves. Not sure if there was only one grave there in 2013 [ photoset ] , when @The_Eagle and @Tortoise_Hiker hiked it? The wife seemed to have been buried before the husband.

Back on the "trail" — which in this area does not exist as singletrack — I continued following chevrons, right onto FR 300. Hiking it was much easier than driving. Two hundred yards past mile marker 53, the chevrons veered right, off road. Chevrons were sparse off road, but I did find a few. And wild horses. Lots of droppings & small herds all along today’s hike.

I did not see any V markers for over an hour, so I judged distance by the white-on-green mile signs. I wasn’t running, but the miles seemed to go by like I was. Hiking actually seemed faster than driving!

3⅓ miles into my hike, I spotted V93. I did not see V94 until I had covered 4¾ miles. V96 was three miles after V93, which means if V95 exists, it would be about three-quarters of a mile from both V94 and V96. V98 is only two thirds of mile past V97. 🤷🏻‍♂️

At FR 51 & FR 300, I stopped for lunch: A slice of wet pizza from my pack.

Crook diverted onto FR 51. At least that is the chevroned route. I suspect the original trail continued to follow the Rim to what is now Show Low. After 150 yds., the chevrons split left, off road. Why? The chevrons rejoined FR 51 after 250 yds., at it’s intersection with FR 51C.

FR 51C slowly descends a spur towards the Holcomb ruins. It has nice views north. The sun never came out, but past V97 — 7⅔ miles into my hike — the sun at least shined through the clouds. More importantly, it stopped drizzling.

Seeing all the yellow flowers in Phoenix Park was pretty cool. I could have spent all day there, taking photos. Instead, my wife & I drove out via Heber-Overgaard. The initial mile of FR 125, along the west side of Phoenix Park was heinous, but SUV-able. After that it was merely rocky. FR 124 and the final miles on FR 51 into town were car-drivable. I may have to make a scouting trip up there, to check out forest road quality for my shuttle driving wife, before I hike the penultimate Crook segment.

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Isolated along trail. Substantial in Phoenix Park. Besides photos, also saw mullein, pinewoods geranium, ragleaf bahia, red & yellow pea, spreading fleabane, vetch, western yarrow, Wright's goldenrod and -- near the ruins -- western dayflower and pinewoods spiderwort.
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July is the new June, AZ 
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General Crook Trail V62-V71, AZ 
General Crook Trail V62-V71, AZ
 
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kingsnakeTriplogs 894
Hiking11.43 Miles 314 AEG
Hiking11.43 Miles   4 Hrs   23 Mns   2.61 mph
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Driving in on Rim Rd., there was little construction activity, so no real delay. (At least not on Tuesday.) Turning south at the FR 34 intersection, the way was blocked by some “nearby fire” signs. (Presumably for the Pius Fire, which was well north.) I turned around, and decided to try FR 9354 instead. FR 9354 was not bad at all and, better yet had no signs blocking my way further west on Rim Rd.

It took me a minute to figure out where the trail continued east of FR 208L, as it was hidden behind a small pile of brush, and the carsonite sign had fallen over. After that, and all the way to V71, the trail was clearly defined. I did briefly miss a few turns, but that was my fault, as I was scanning the surrounding terrain for mile markers and other interesting things.

I found my first mile marker, V63, exactly where previously indicated. It was quite a relief from the confusion of the prior segment. V63 gave me a known point to measure from. V64 should be a mile ahead, give or take a 50-100 feet. (Neither the U.S. Cavalry, nor the Boy Scouts, having had access to GPS.) It wasn’t.

V64 was where it was previously indicated, but it was only ¾ mile beyond V63, not quite two miles into this segment. On the left, just past FR 9350C, there is a sinkhole covered with bracken fern, and ringed by a rocky caldera. Like much of the previous mile, it’s shady.

At the southern tip of the Hole-in-Ground meadow, I found V65 — a full 1¾ miles from V64. And 2½ miles from V63. Egads. At least I was enjoying my hike. 😁

After Carr Lake TH, I crossed newly paved Rim Rd., “Speed Limit 25”. LOL. Sure. Double that with the new pavement. Play Frogger on holiday weekends! 🐸

On the far side of Rim Rd., I started finding double chevrons -- one the normal cream, the other orange. According to a sign, orange marks the “preferred travel” route, while cream marks the “original” route. (I assume original Boy Scout route, not General Crook, as the terrain choices don’t make tactical or 19th century transportation technology sense.) Other than near Baker Lake, I’ve only ever seen cream-colored chevrons.

The previously indicated location of V69 was 5½ miles into this segment. I spent 15 fruitless minutes searching for it. I actually found V69 at the 7⅔ mile mark, 200 ft. off trail. V65 is precisely four miles prior to V69 — which is itself exactly one mile before V70. Therefore, I believe V65 is in the correct location, while V64 and V63 are mis-measured. I never did spot V66, V67 or V68. 🤷🏻‍♂️

East of Woods Canyon Rd., the trail frequently crisscrosses FR 9300. There were several sections of exposed bedrock, but I never saw any wagon ruts. I passed by three fenced enclosures, presumably for aspen protection. The first was full of dead trees. I found V71 where previously indicated, one mile on the dot from V70. Rim Top Trailhead, and its nasty pit toilets, were 250 yds. east.

Rumble Video: https://rumble.com/v56wttt-hiking-gener ... 2-v71.html
Vimeo Video: https://vimeo.com/983852787
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Besides the ones in the photoset: red & yellow pea, coneflower. Low quantity; wide variety.
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General Crook Trail V57-V62, AZ 
General Crook Trail V57-V62, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jun 12 2024
kingsnakeTriplogs 894
Hiking7.81 Miles 543 AEG
Hiking7.81 Miles   3 Hrs   20 Mns   2.34 mph
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A month ago, I mentioned FR 300 has a project going on west of Woods Canyon Lake. I thought the crew was just widening and smoothing the dirt, but instead they are actually paving it. Flag guy at one ends said “It is going to the ‘Y’ intersection”. (FR 195 or FR 34?) I’ve also read it is going to the Bear Canyon Lake road (FR 89). Flag guy at the other end said the "it is going to Strawberry”. No matter what, it blows. 👎

Lots of confusion today.

First order of business was another search for V57. I spent 10 minutes fruitlessly wandering its claimed location. Instead, I found V57 400 ft. north, on the east side of FR 300. Note, it is also 150 ft. west of the chevroned General Crook Trail. Odd.

I followed the chevroned trail back to FR 115, and continued following chevrons on one side of FR 300, the other side, or on FR 300 itself, all the way to Promontory LO.

Because chevrons sometimes go missing, I hiked slowly, constantly scanning left & right, high & low, for mile markers. That’s how, a half mile into this segment, I spotted V58 from 150 ft. away, on the south side of FR 300, where it crosses under the powerlines. Cripes. It was a pattern: I would not only have to hike the General Crook Trail, but also regularly divert off it searching for V posts. 🤦🏻‍♂️

One road bend that the chevrons cut across is where I estimate V59 is actually located. It certainly wasn’t on the trail itself.

2½ miles into this segment I reached the FR 300 “Mile 30” marker. Still constantly scanning, and despite the presence of chevrons indicating I was “on trail”, I did not encounter V60. You can see why I hiked nearly eight miles on a five mile segment. 😏

Based on V60’s estimated location, another skipped bit of FR 300 is probably where you’ll find V61: It definitely wasn’t where it was previously mapped on FR 76. In ten minutes searching, all I found was a lean-to.

The chevrons cross FR 300, again, at the 4⅓ mile mark. In 100 yds., what was a jeep trail ends in a small loop. That’s the See Canyon Trailhead. Crook splits left as singletrack. At the 4½ mile mark, there is a right-pointing chevron. Given previous estimated V locations, that’s about where V62 should be. It wasn’t. Nor was V62 anywhere in the vicinity of the Promontory “V” Tree a quarter mile later: [ photo ]

I suppose V62 could also be on the road, but it since the lookout was only a few minutes away, I instead headed for the finish. I suppose I ought to drive FR 300 soon, just to look for Crook mile markers, before they pave paradise and put up a parking lot.

Rumble Video: https://rumble.com/v51xq4w-hiking-gener ... 7-v62.html
Vimeo Video: https://vimeo.com/959631580
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May 23 2024
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Myrtle - Babe Loop, AZ 
Myrtle - Babe Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar May 23 2024
The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking19.51 Miles 2,984 AEG
Hiking19.51 Miles   8 Hrs   43 Mns   2.52 mph
2,984 ft AEG      58 Mns Break
 
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A beautiful morning/day for a hike. Temps in the low 40's to start, 60's for highs with a nice breeze all day that helped drone out the whining.

Highline Trail #31
Heading CW from the still closed Hatchery, it was 7.5-ish miles of roller-coastering views to the rim. You pass over numerous smooth red-rock areas, through conifers and lush riparian areas as you approach the Pyle ranch area. We missed a turn to stay on the Highline at one point and followed a use trail next to Ellison Creek. Discovering our error, we went cross country to rejoin.

Myrtle Trail #30
Reaching this intersection, we noticed 3 people and machinery, performing trail maintenance just to the west on the Highline Trail. Hopefully they'll get to the east of Myrtle also.

There is still no sign at the intersection with the Highline.
[ photo ] , but the area is recovering from the Highline fire prior to our 2018 hike. [ photo ]
The climb up the Myrtle trail gives you a chance to catch some great views and your breath.
It's a 1 mile, 1100' climb to the top, for the most part a good trail and a steady grade.

General Crook Trail #140 - Apache SitgreavesNF
We used the Crook to make our way over to Myrtle Point. There has been some very recent maintenance to the trail. Someone has flagged and has been doing a great job to bring it back. I'm curious as to who or what organization as well as what sections they are doing.
We stopped at Myrtle Lake for some lunch and were able to take in the views without the Memorial Day boat and water-skiing traffic. We also found Lost Lake.

Myrtle Point 7920
First time out to this point. We took FR300C in and an old overgrown, decommissioned logging road back out to Trail 300. A short break with good views.

Babe Haught Trail - Hatchery to Knoll Lake
We did some cross country to cut off some mileage to the Babe. The Babe is still its typically steep rocky drop back down to the TH.

Good times with the crew, squad, flock or whatever they're calling it now.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Ellison Creek @ Highline Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Lost Lake 76-100% full 76-100% full

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Myrtle Lake 76-100% full 76-100% full

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May 11 2024
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Drew See loop, AZ 
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Hiking avatar May 11 2024
The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking11.89 Miles 1,948 AEG
Hiking11.89 Miles   4 Hrs   47 Mns   2.66 mph
1,948 ft AEG      19 Mns Break
 
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Linda invited me to join her and Chris so they had someone to pick on all day. We did an old favorite CCW from the See Canyon TH. We were the first car in the lot, that was near full on our return.

Perfect weather heading through the green maples along the Highline with only a few MTB'ers encountered. The climb up drew was relatively easy.

When we reached the rim to the Fr 9350 Campground (which I was shocked to find out was a no-cost campground) , the smell of campfires and breakfast was in the air.

We made our way west on the Aspen and General Crook trail to See Canyon. There are some downed trees along this section that were easily navigated. I pointed out the Promontory V63 tree to Linda and Chris.

See Canyon trail was easy going, even with some blowdowns from the winter. We passed 2 women going up, until we hit the onslaught of people starting at the See Spring intersection.

Good hiking with Linda and Chris again, even though they picked on me unmercifully all day long. I'm not sure what I did to deserve that.

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General Crook Trail V51-V57, AZ 
General Crook Trail V51-V57, AZ
 
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kingsnakeTriplogs 894
Hiking9.46 Miles 744 AEG
Hiking9.46 Miles   4 Hrs   3 Mns   2.34 mph
744 ft AEG
 
Rim Road has a project going on. Currently from miles 36-40. Runs through October. On a low traffic mid-week before Memorial Day, the delay was 15 minutes. I started searching for V51 at 9:35 a.m. After 30 minutes (red on the attached route), I was unsuccesful. All I found was the happy face balloon. I found four more balloons before my day was done. 🤨

AZ Conservation Corps had a crew working the next 1¼ miles. Their work is much appreciated, but the chevrons were mostly easy to follow. V52 was right where I expected.

I saw many small patches of snow. The overnight low was around 32℉, but hike temps were perfect.

I foundr V53 about 250 ft. west of where it was previously mapped. The trail crosses FR 295 at Rim Road. Walking out of the woods, I startled a group of eight dirt bikers. Friendly guys, but they were headed 175 miles up to Page! 😳

I followed Rim Road for a bit, until I found a chevron whereupon I re-entered the treeline. V54 was where I expected.

I didn’t see a chevron marking where to turn off FR 752, nor for the next 200 yds., so you’ll want to download a GPS route. The trail then switchbacks down to Lake #4, which was wet for the first time I can remember. Climbing up from the lake, V55 is 300 ft. west of where I expected. I’ve been by V55 before, and hadn’t noticed, so it was quite a surprise to turn around see a "V55" also carved in a tree! I assume it’s an original etching since it was a tall dead tree, with the snapped off upper half laying across the trail. 🤔

From the Jesus Tree -- or was it Moses? -- I got back on Rim Road. After passing the Sitgreaves sign, I dropped off the road, picking the trail back. I found the V56 arrow rock in the middle of the trail. The post is maybe 20 ft. off the trail, about 300 ft. west of its prior indicated location.

After crossing an anonymous dry lake, the trail gets a bit confusing. I accidentally wandered off trail. Up a draw, I found a tree with a chevron, following the trail back to where I lost it. (This sort of wandering accounts for the extra three miles I hiked.) The chevroned singletrack trail — not old road bed — paralleled Rim Road eighty feet below.

As I was looking for V57, an oddity occured: I could see a chevron downslope, next to the road, but the trail, also with chevrons, continued following the contour. I stayed on trail, moving slowly. I never saw anything related to V57 actually on the General Crook Trail. Completing the segment at FR 115, I doubled back down Rim Road: After searching V57's indicated location for 20 minutes, I gave up.

Rumble Video: https://rumble.com/v4uom5h-hiking-gener ... 1-v57.html
Vimeo Video: https://vimeo.com/945491814
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Woods Canyon Snow Survey, AZ 
Woods Canyon Snow Survey, AZ
 
Snowshoeing avatar Mar 25 2024
chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Snowshoeing9.63 Miles 703 AEG
Snowshoeing9.63 Miles   7 Hrs   11 Mns   1.58 mph
703 ft AEG
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Bruce has been pestering me for years to invite him snowshoeing but with his busy work schedule it just hasn't ever worked out. So when he recommended we take advantage of the recent stealth snowfall on Monday, I called in and postponed my scheduled annual review at work. I wasn't sure if we'd have to hike up Sinkhole from the 260 TH or if we could find safe parking higher up. There had been no plowing off highway, but only about a foot of new snow overnight made it easy for us to make first tracks through the parking lot.

The only other time I put foot to snow in this area was a brutal day of misery four years ago where three of us alternated breaking trail through a couple of feet of newly fallen snow. We all nearly died and stuck to the boring Crook trail on an out n back.

Today the goal was to check out the canyon bottom, and despite not knowing what kind of flow we would find, opted to check it off first with the lake as the midpoint on the loop. Getting started it was apparent that all the flat land at the top of the rim is saturated and loaded with water. Heading downhill all that water consolidated into easily avoidable streams. The depth of snow is impressive and surprising. 30"-36" was the minimum, with sheltered draws and drifts approaching double that. For the first time on snowshoes in Arizona, I found myself cautiously avoiding tree wells and a couple of times fell into cavities around fallen logs or boulders that were not that easy to self-extricate. Thankfully, Bruce was always nearby to lend a helping hand. :app:

The deep snow made breaking trail slow. After covering the first two miles in a little over an hour, creekside travel slowed to about 1mph, taking over 3.5 hours to go the next 3 miles. Cause or effect? -- A LOT of photos were taken (sorry, I posted all of them! :sweat: ) The place was sort of magical, and for most people, very un-Arizona.

As we approached the lake, the roar of the spillway could be heard and we were treated to the views of what we decided should be named Eagle Falls. Though the eagle closure doesn't begin for another week, we avoided the nesting area and opted against the full lake loop. Unfortunately no raptor sighting today as was the case along the snowbabe a couple of weeks ago.

Next was the quick traverse (lol, not!) over to the store and boat ramp for a break to rest weary legs before starting the long return trip. By depleted energy levels, a rational person would have turned around at least a mile before reaching the lake, but Bruce pushed on and my hope was that the second half of the loop would be easier. While it would not involve the normal relief of returning in the already broken trail we got there on, I thought perhaps there would be a packed trail courtesy of snowmobiles. Additionally, I figured that pavement in March would have accelerated snowmelt and maybe the route back would be clear by late afternoon.

LOL. No luck on the snow machines. Virgin snow everywhere. The pavement had been clear at some point in the past couple of weeks. But there was still mostly a foot of snow with larger drifts from the past two weeks of snowfall. And suddenly the clearing skies were quickly obscured by rapidly approaching dark clouds, snowfall, and thunder. Yay. The road walk is not exciting, but snow depth made it quicker, and more importantly, less effort. At some point poles were regularly clicking pavement and it seemed a fine idea to go without flotation. Ten minutes later, it was deeper again and trudging in boots was more exhausting than floating. Another change of footwear as the snow squall pelted us and thunder boomed.

Two hours to go the last three road miles back to the truck. That part wasn't exciting, but still some nice views of a place that isn't often seen like this. Snow and wind dropped temps into the 20s for the first time on the day. Back at the truck, tracks showed another vehicle had done a loop in the parking lot sometime during the day. It had been the FS, who shoveled out access to the bathrooms. Bruce offered to buy dinner so we headed down the hill for a celebratory meal.

With more snow forecast this weekend, I might just have to go again before this season comes to a close. Not sure if Bruce is ready for it, but Joe has been talking about wanting to snowshoe too. It should be great! :)

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Likely 95th percentile of potential flow rate.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Woods Canyon Lake 76-100% full 76-100% full
overflowing at 106.9%
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Highline - Drew - See Canyon Loop, AZ 
Highline - Drew - See Canyon Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Nov 02 2023
trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,660
Hiking11.77 Miles 2,073 AEG
Hiking11.77 Miles   4 Hrs   44 Mns   2.68 mph
2,073 ft AEG      20 Mns Break
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john picked this loop from a couple of fall color options today
we got going around 0800
mid 30s to start, no breeze, very nice hiking conditions, maybe mid 60s when we finished
east on highline, up drew, northwest on a combination of roads and trails, down see canyon
a few maples on the drive in, around the trailhead and along parts of highline
past prime oak and aspen up on the rim
we took a break about halfway along the upper section
see canyon was nice once we got down a few hundred feet
lots of prime maple trees
kind of hard to gawk while watching footing
we did not go to the spring today
saw one hiker near the finish, and quite a few people around christopher creek near the trailhead
well worth a visit to see canyon
thai food in payson on the way home
nice day, thanks john :)
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Highline - Drew - See Canyon Loop, AZ 
Highline - Drew - See Canyon Loop, AZ
 
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johnlpTriplogs 5,208
Hiking11.98 Miles 2,073 AEG
Hiking11.98 Miles   4 Hrs   44 Mns   2.72 mph
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Kelly wanted to do an "interesting" hike, so I chose this from several of her options.
The hike up to the rim warmed us up from the mid 30's morning temps. Hiking the few miles across the rim was a little uninteresting, but nice and quiet.
Fall colors were past prime in most areas, but still very pretty.
Didn't see anyone until the end of the hike.
Fun day. Thanks for lunch Kelly! :)
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Oct 23 2023
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See - Drew Loop, AZ 
See - Drew Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 23 2023
DixieFlyerTriplogs 1,374
Hiking13.00 Miles 2,563 AEG
Hiking13.00 Miles   6 Hrs   27 Mns   2.09 mph
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I wanted to check out the fall foliage on the See Canyon Trail, so I decided to do a clockwise loop hike that basically went up to the Rim on the See Canyon Trail and came down off the rim on the Drew Trail.

Once up on the Rim, we made our way to the Drew Trail via the General Crook Trail and the Carr Lake Trail. After descending the Drew Trail, we made our way back to the trailhead on the Highline Trail.

Leaves were a mixed bag. There was a bit of color around the trailhead and on the See Canyon Trail for a short distance to the first creek crossing. Then almost all the maple leaves were green all the way to See Spring. Color started getting good on the See Canyon Trail about a mile past the See Spring Trail junction, and the maples were really nice from about 6,900 feet to 7,500 feet, or thereabouts.

On the way back on the Highline Trail, there were some nice colors also, but many of the trees along this section of the Highline Trail were past peak.

Synopsis
It was an enjoyable day in the Rim country, even if the foliage at the lower elevations of See Canyon weren't yet ready for prime time.

Route Scout added an extra 1.1 miles to the hike, so the stats above are those that I recorded the other time that I did this hike.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Moderate
Foliage varied on the hike. Foliage was "substantial" on the upper part of the See Canyon Trail, but was "isolated" on the lower part of the trail and at See Spring.
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