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Aug 18 2024
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Ash Creek Trail #307Tucson, AZ
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Was looking for a waterfall hike in the Pinalenos and the Ash Creek Falls came to mind. After reading recent triplogs, I was a little nervous about the conditions but we headed up the mountain to the Columbine Corrals and started off. Temps were in the low 60s at the start, but it had rained the night before, so everything was wet which cranked up the humidity. We descended into Ash Creek and crossed over to the old mill site. The trail was in great shape and once we passed the old mill area I even commented how awesome the conditions were. We climbed up the creek bypass and continued on another half mile until the trail just completely disappeared. We tried pushing through to find it but it was a Locust jungle so we stopped and contemplated our next move. Instead of turning around and heading back (which would have been the smart thing to do), we decided to spider-crawl down a steep embankment to the bottom of the creek (which turned out to be a bad decision). The creek was flowing nicely from the recent rains, however, it was filled with big rocks and burned trees which made it slow going through this portion. We came to the slick rock area and started up the embankment as the trail goes up high past the falls. Andy headed down to take some more pics of the falls, while I started up the steep section of the bypass route. It was clear right away the bypass route does not see any traffic as there was not a trail at all, just a steep climb up the hillside that was full of Aspen, Locust, and Raspberry bushes. I climbed up about 200 feet to where the trail should have been and stopped, waiting for Andy. Once Andy caught up it was a stupid half-mile bushwhack through thousands of Locust bushes until we finally made it back to the section with good tread. By this time the steep bushwhack had taken its toll on our arms, legs, and energy as we were pretty tired. Slow 1,100-foot climb back out to the TH getting home after dark. This was one of the most grueling hikes I've done in a while with all the bushwhacking and being filthy, covered in dirt. For anyone looking to hike Ash Creek, I would HIGHLY recommend against it until major trail maintenance can be done.
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Aug 18 2024
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Ash Creek Trail #307Tucson, AZ
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I last visited the Mount Graham area in the early 90's. It reminded me of my home state of Colorado. Great views and beautiful forests. I've wanted to head back there and finally made the trek after Jason suggested the area. Ash Creek Falls was my target for sure. Mount Graham is still beautiful, but the sheer number of dead trees and tree fall in the area was unbelievable. It’s a part of the natural cycle, but still depressing to see how this area has been transformed.

The weather was very nice at the start. It was clear they had a nice rain shower the day before as the ground was damp and all the lovely flora was covered in dew. Reading triplogs about this hike, I wasn't sure what to expect. The trail started off ok going down to the Webb Peak Trail and the mill. There was some pretty thick raspberries other new growth over the trail, but we could see the trail. Once we hit the mill area, it was actually nice. Cleared of trees and open.

We came across a cairned area that seemed to be where people have dropped down into the creek, but the erosion and tree fall as crazy. Choked out and washed out. We opted to take the bypass route to get to get to the falls. It started ok, but quickly devolved into a mess. The trail basically disappeared. It has been reclaimed by an immense locust forest. We decided to turn around.

The creek was below the trail, but a steep, rocky slope was in the way. I could tell Jason wasn't feeling it, but I knew I was so close to the slickrock and falls. I decided I wanted to proceed, and Jason reluctantly agreed. The creek is a real mess. I would have liked to see this area before the fires and subsequent floods.

We made our way down past the slickrock area and made it to the end of the "Bypass Trail". I wanted to see the falls, Jason was done with that and told me he would meet up on top of the trail. The trail going down was in ok shape, but overgrown. I saw a little ledge off trail and worked my way down. I got my view of the falls, and it was really nice. The waterflow was light, but it was still impressive.

Climbing out from ledge the was bad. Steep, loose soil, tree falls. It took me a while to finally climb out. I made my way over to the cairns marking the bypass and started up. That was another steep non-trail, trail. No semblance of a trail. I was looking at my track and it said I was right on top of it, but there was no trail. It was a brutal bushwhack back to the actual trail. The loose soil, tree falls and never-ending nasty locust. We were both happy to see the trail re-appear.

The climb out was a slow slog for both of us. But, we made it out. Jason is probably done with this trail. I, on the other hand, want to return when the falls and creek are flowing. Snowmelt in the spring sounds good to me. I know what to expect now, at least. This is a beautiful area and now that the trauma of getting ripped to shreds and beat up has faded, I will definitely be back.
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Nov 01 2023
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Hiked down to the Mill Site which is approximately 1.5 miles down from the Columbine Corrals. This was while assisting the Ft Grant Crew who is currently working on this trail with the intent of improving tread, clearing deadfall and removing hazard trees down to the Mill Site. The trail is in decent shape. It seems locals have been doing some clearing of trees that were across the trail. Blowouts still exist in the Mill area near creek crossings. The crew will do as much work as possible to get the tread in good shape. Reroutes options around the blowouts are limited. They'll do their best to make the existing crossing spots "better" There is a possibility they will keep working on the trail down to the "Slick Rock View" / Falls area. Depends on if they don't called out to more of these insane off season wild fires and can get the work done before the weather doesn't agree.
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Sep 19 2023
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Hardest hit area of the 2017 Frye Fire was the entire Webb Peak area.
95 percent tree mortality including the 1933 fire lookout tower.
After 6 years the outer trail has recently been redone all the way to the top.

We headed up to check it out parking at Columbine Corrals.
Hike - Down Ash Creek Trail :next: Up Webb Peak from Ash Creek :next: Lunch break under the lookout tower :next: Down Webb Peak Trail #345 to Columbine to complete the loop.
Basically you now hike through a 6 year old total burn area covered in dead grey pines with 6-20 foot aspens covering almost the entire forest floor. There were also ferns, wildflowers and a few green pines here and there. Kind of a surreal sight to see it like this, but wow ... this is going to be one hell of a great aspen forest in the coming years!
All the Webb trails are in great condition now, Ash Creek Trail below the T is a total disaster.

After our loop we drove back down the Swift Trail for a short hike up High Peak road to the old bottle dump I dug a few days earlier. Had an extra person to help me haul down some more of the cool bottles I uncovered. These old bottles will decorate our cactus gardens.

Webb Peak now looks completely different from all my younger days of hiking the area, but there is a new mysterious beauty to these burn areas that is starting to grow on me.

Happy to see this loop again and happy to see it with the person I hiked it with just before the fire.
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Trail was cleared, AZ Healthy Forest Initiative Crews, from the Columbine Corral/Campground Area down to it's junction with Webb Peak 345 trail as of July 2023. Section is approximately 6/10 of a mile. Beyond that THIS TRAIL IS NOT MAINTAINED. Deadfall and blowouts are numerous beyond Webb Peak Trail. Some "hike" to the falls and that is a bushwhack with wayfinding at best. No cell service. Actually picked up some hikers on Bible Camp Rd that hiked out of Ash Creek due to frustration with the conditions. Want to help with future trail work on Mount Graham? Contact info in my signature line.
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Oct 08 2021
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Ash Creek Trail #307Tucson, AZ
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#49 of 50 hikes. Warning!! This trail does not exist anymore!! Ash Creek Trail was located near Thatcher Arizona on Mount Graham in the Pinaleno Mountains. It used to be a popular family trail a long time ago, but low traffic/maintenance, and since the Frye Fire on Mt Graham in 2017 it has been destroyed. The Ash Creek Falls Trail from the top near Old Columbine down to the Slick Rock area is rough, overgrown, with fallen trees, but doable if prepared and a seasoned hiker. From the Slick Rock area/Ash Creek Falls down to the 4WD road (~3 miles from trailhead at bottom) has been destroyed. There is NO trail. You are either bouldering over creek rocks or scaling/bush-whacking the hillsides. As a AZ native to the Gila Valley, I wanted to hike on my hometown Mt. Graham. My hiking companion (relative) joined me. I admit, my mistake. :sorry: I have lots of mountainous hiking experience, but she didn't. I was physically prepared, she wasn't. 100 percent my fault. :( We left the house at 5am, by brother drove us to Old Columbine and we started hiking around 8am. It was slow-going and very treacherous, averaging 2 hours a mile. Without GPS, I would have gotten lost. Mt Graham is also known for its high concentration of black bears. We had one bear encounter, a mama bear and cub playing at the creek. :scared: Luckily she ran off, but only stayed on the other side of the creek watching us as we hiked out of sight. We eventually lost daylight and had to unexpectedly find shelter for the night. We'd gone about 6 miles in 11 hours. ](*,) We tried to finish the next day, but the terrain got too treacherous for my companion and she was exhausted. We decided to call for search and rescue. I'm not including my Route Scout recording of the botched second day (it was only about half a mile). It was mainly me trying different ways to get out, then calling it quits. It was a hard pill to shallow. :pout: On a positive note, the rescue team did compliment me for being on the "trail" and giving them our exact coordinates (my relative did). Apparently they rescued a father and son who claimed to be on the trail but was nowhere near it. They also agreed that it was too treacherous to "hike" us out, :-s --didn't I already determine that--and lifted us into the helicopter. We were so close to the end!! :x I have thoughts about trying it again, because I know I could do it! : rambo : But then I remember the bear. :scared: Nope. Not going. I do hope one day, they remake the trail because Ash Creek is beautiful all the way down.
 
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This was my first time heading down this trail and it was a challenge to say the least. Before this hike I read previous triplogs and can agree, this trail is gnarly. The first .5 - 1 mile isn't that hard to follow but at one point completely disappears into the creek. After trekking through the creek for a few hundred feet you will see a point where the trail somewhat looks like it goes left, this is wrong. If you keep your eye to the right instead you will see a faint trail that is absolutely littered with fallen trees. This is the trail. You will have to crawl under and over many fallen trees through this section and through many overgrown patches. It seems this part of the trail used to be an old road given how wide it is. After the obstacle course the trail mellows out for a short bit and is easy to follow. You will come up to a creek crossing where you will need to jump down and cross and come back up the other side. After this you will begin a short decent down towards the old Mill site. The trail comes and goes as you head down to the Mill site but it is nothing hard to walk through. After the Mill site is where the real challenge begins. The trail from here on out is almost nonexistent. After about a 1/4 mile you will come to a point where you can stay along the creek or begin a climb up on the detour trail. I decided to take the detour trail because it looked to be a lot easier to follow. This was true for the first couple hundred feet and then it just completely disappeared. We decided to just go straight down to the creek in hopes of finding a trail to follow and somewhat did. At this point in the hike the best thing to do is look out for rock cairns that people have left. We made it all the way to the top of slide rock when it came to the point on if we should continue or not. I decided to hike down slide rock and see what the trail looked like from there and it was just to gnarly looking. We decided that given the time of day, storms moving in, and the overall beating we took, it was time to turn around. If you can remember everything you went through on the way down, it makes the hike back up 100x easier. One thing that greatly helped us and that i HIGHLY recommend to anyone doing this hike, download the hike on Alltrails or something similar before hand and follow the lines on the map the best you can. This helped us greatly in finding the trail every time we lost it(which happens every couple hundred feet). Overall even though we didn't make it to the falls, it is still one of the most amazing and beautiful hikes I have ever done and highly recommend. Just keep in mind it is a very easy trail to get lost on and at times can be extremely dangerous. Previous triplogs about flooding and fire damage are true. This area has taken an absolute beating.
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Aug 22 2021
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My first trip down to the falls in 5 years.
Just been letting everything settle from the Frye fire. With all the rain and greenery this summer, thought it was a good time to see it all again.

I pretty much knew what to expect on this hike, but Wow is this creek and trail altered forever!
chumley said it best in his previous triplog "It's not the fire. It's the flooding."
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The forest is burned, but not as bad as I thought it would be.
Was most happy to see that the sawmill area was still intact with most of the artifacts I've been use to seeing. The Slick Rock area is now quite a risky area to hike down. I almost turned back twice, but managed somewhat safely to get down to Slick Rock and further down to the falls overlook. This hike exhausted me with all the twists and tangles, but is was so good to see it all again!

To someone who has never hiked this trail before, right now I would not recommended it. It is in need of a lot of trail rebuild to be safe ... but I doubt it will get it anytime soon.

With all that said, I loved this hike!
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I was on the mountain to see what the fall colors were doing, or not. I did not intend to hike this but I saw a lot of log slash piles near the TH, and put on the pack and went on down. What struck me initially were the huge views thru the burned trees, this trail was once an intimate forest experience with a trickling stream. No more. Looks like they followed most of the old tred on what trail maintenance was done. The upper part a mess with some of the old road torn away from flooding and a fair amount of log limbo to do. Marked with red flagging tape in the messed up parts. Down at the flat with the old debris, more of which has been revealed, the creek bed must be 30 YARDS wide at least. Quite shocking. Lots of little waterfalls. I decided to go on down via the old way, the trail in the canyon bottom past the horse or bypass trail. This trail was decommissioned even before the fire due to damage from flooding. Snippets of trail do remain, but I chose some borderline dicey traverses as it gets down to scoured rock pretty quickly. Some decent sized slide waterfalls in there. Helpful--low profile pack, shoes that keep grip when wet, and good pants to withstand butt sliding and crawling up/over/ under logs.
I did see and photograph a bit of the trail with the old grating to hold the soil for the tread. The other parts of the existing trail heavily overgrown of course. Once to the falls I did go down part way on the burgeoning off trail to get some shots but did not feel like getting to the bottom.
I have never hiked the bypass trail and went up it a little, it seemed to brush out, so I went back the way I came, picking some better lines to get through the granite and 8-10 foot high cut crumbly dirt banks.
I guess I was prepared seeing some of the previous photo sets, but this place was so changed it was quite disorienting. The rock, soil , tree floods just scoured this canyon. I would not recommend it until more trail maintenance is done unless you like rough areas especially below the flat.
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The last hike for the day was to Webb Peak then down what I guess is the Blair Ash Ridge Trail but instead of going all the way down Blair Ash Ridge I took a connector trail to Ash Creek. I took Ash Creek back to the Starting point. The Webb Peak Trail #345 was in good condition, the best trail I have seen all day. Good views from the Webb Peak tower in all directions.

From Webb Peak I continued down Blair Ash Ridge for about a mile where I headed south toward the Ash Creek Trail. Much of the first mile along the ridge follows an old logging road but is heavily overgrown and in places hard to locate the trail. In places the trail shows up nicely then it would just disappear. The last half mile of this section is easier to follow because the old road is more obvious. Not much to see along this section but it didn't matter as I was pretty occupied with trail finding. At 1 mile in I took another old logging road toward Ash Creek. This trail was easy to follow but lots of dead fall along the way. Once in Ash Creek the trail is very hard to locate. I did notice red ribbons tied to various things and it didn't take long to realize these were trail markers. These ribbons were real time savers because even though there wasn't much of a trail in many places it would eventually lead to a recognizable trail. They also indicated where the trail crossed the stream. This trail eventually leaves Ash Creek and heads up to the Trail Head at Columbine Campground. Needed to watch for these ribbons along this stretch because it is really overgrown and the trail almost non existent or hidden under brush.

This is a nice loop Trail with a little bit of elevation gain, a little path finding skills and a peak with great views. Probably the best and closest view of the Telescope and Mount Graham. Temperatures were in the upper 60sso it was perfect hiking weather.
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It's not the fire. It's the flooding. Wow.

I've posted a ton of photos. Not because they're pretty. But I haven't seen photos posted from here post-fire and I have tried to document as many of the scenes as possible. The photos are geocoded if you'd like to look up the exact locations.

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I had wanted to check out Mt. Graham for the first time since the 2017 Frye fire and this summer the forecast always seemed in opposition to the times I could head that direction. This weekend the forecast seemed a lot more reasonable than what actually happened, but that's the nature of summer in Arizona! :sweat:

Saturday morning I headed out from the bottom near Cluff Ponds. The first creek crossing was manageable, but that will vary based on recent runoff. It was not subaru-able, and I was happy to put it in 4-Lo to crawl up the loose boulders on the edge of the creek. The second crossing is now the end of the road, and at less than a mile from the previous end of the road, there's really no reason to expect the FS to bother repairing it. So chalk up some extra mileage to this hike from here on out.

As I climbed, the clouds over the peaks got angrier looking and eventually rain was evident. I decide to check the radar, and it looked ugly. Once the rain started and there was lightning on the ridge I bailed. There was no reason to continue hiking toward a storm like that!

As I drove around to the top of the mountain, I received a NWS flash flood warning for Ash Creek. Over 1.5" of rain had fallen in an hour and the creek had risen 3 feet. Seemed like I had made a good decision!! On the mountain, it rained all night long, tallying 3.2" at Columbine. So the next morning seemed like a great time to attempt to explore the trail from the top down.

There's scant sign of a trail in the upper portion where the fire burned hot and left a forest of matchsticks. The ground is ashy and after the rain it was a muddy mess. Most of the trail tread was washed out but I was able to follow it in a lot of places. The new growth aspens have really taken over, which I won't complain about. But when they decide that working on rebuilding this trail again makes sense, there will be a lot of aspen growth that needs to be cleared.

At the bottom of the initial switchbacks, the trail has become the creek, with water eroding and digging a deep channel where the trail used to be. Countless trees have fallen and blocked the path. This kind of thing will continue for years here. About a mile down the fire damage dissipates and the creek drainage is only occasionally touched by burn area from the ridges above. This condition continues for the rest of the hike to the falls, and appears similar all the way to the bottom. But the ridge to the east of the creek from the bible camp downward appears to be largely torched. This is surely the primary cause for the catastrophic flood damage along the creek.

The main drainage crossing about 1.3 miles down was one that I had difficulty with. The flood channel was so deep and the sides so unstable that it was challenging to find spots to climb into and then subsequently get out on the other side. These are 15-foot vertical walls of crumbly dirt and rock.

Below this point there were many reasonable sections along the old road bed where travel was ok. Crossing the creek above the mill site was a bit tricky again, and below the mill site where another drainage comes in from the west was a definite challenge.

There are places where the old trail cut is evident, and there are others where it is clear that the flood has eroded the shelf where the trail once traveled. With my travel going so slowly, I opted for the bypass route when I came to it, which seemed to be a better option. There wasn't much fire on this hillside, but the tread is still eroded, and the lack of use for two years has made it quite overgrown. But rehabilitating this bypass won't be too difficult.

I reached the point where I could view down the complete Ash drainage to the Gila Valley below. It was just some steep switchbacks now before I was able to see the falls. While the flash flood from yesterday had dissipated, the flow was still very strong, and probably as much water as I've ever seen flowing over them. As I tried to find a couple of the familiar photo locations to share "how it looks now" photos I was stuck by the continual sound of crashing rock down the falls. The creek isn't just flowing water right now, but continues to move rock down the mountain.

As I turned around and headed back up along the creek itself, I actually considered that it may have been wise to have a helmet. I was wary of loose banks that might slide and trees that might fall, but I hadn't considered the loose rocks that were bouncing through the granite bedrock sections of stream.

In places I attempted to find the old tread, but for the most part I just rock-hopped upstream. There were a couple of crossings where getting wet was unavoidable. There were a couple of small falls I couldn't climb safely, or was unhappy with the stability of the hillside I would have to climb. I was careful to not loosen any earth and debris that might cascade down on me.

As I worked my way back up to the mill site, I decided that I didn't want to retrace my steps in the muddy matchstick upper section of the hike and instead made a beeline up 400 feet to the bible camp. I was a little surprised to find it deserted, but also unharmed by fire. A longer, but far quicker hike along the road brought me back to Columbine.

I was happy to see that so much of the canyon had not burned. But the flooding was truly devastating. I can't imagine how many years it will take for that eroded rock and gravel to sprout new life, for it to resemble a mountain stream with grassy banks once again. Fire burned areas will sprout new life. That flood damage though... :cry:
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My final trip up to the top of Graham to survey the damage left from the Frye Fire before the November 15th winter closure. I met up with Preston and together we headed up the mountain as we have done so many times before. Plan was to survey as many sites as we could and also get in a hike at the end of the Swift Trail. We drove the entire road to it's end and this is what we saw & know .....

We first stopped on the way up for a quick trek up "secret canyon" for some fall colors, looked good and is only gonna get better. A return trip up will be made soon.
Second stop up was made at Ladybug Saddle to show Preston where & how I dislocated my shoulder last week, I was in need of some sympathy.
Then around to the backside/top and into the burn -

Snow Flat - Road down to the CG hit with med intensity burn, campground unaffected and beautiful.
Treasure Park CG - Road down med burn, meadow and CG mostly unaffected and beautiful, the "back" CG hit hard and now gated with "forest closed" sign.
Cunningham CG - Intact, but high burn all around CG. The trail-head for Grant Creek & Moonshine has "closed forest" sign. We could see golden aspens down in Moonshine and a later overlook view showed that lower Grant Creek from Ft Grant TH was unaffected, the upper trail has burned. At Cunningham we talked with a high up Forest Service employee who gave up permission to hike a bit into Ash Creek for a look a little further up the road.
Soldier Creek CG - One of my favorites and I was very happy to see an intact CG with minimal burn around it. The Grant Goudy Ridge (and Ice Caves) TH is open with the standard "caution burn area" sign.
Deadman-Highline Trail - The feel good story of the day! We drove down Bible Camp road to see if the trail-head sign that Preston made and posted back in 2010 made it through the fire. We hiked a bit up the trail through a hard hit area to find burn all-around the perfectly intact sign! It damn near brought a manly tear to my eye to see Preston's joy that it made it through -
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Columbine Corrals CG - From the happiest part of the day to the saddest. We parked at Columbine visitor center and hiked in across the road to the corrals. This whole area is closed including Webb Peak & Ash Creek due to high intensity burn. As stated earlier we had permission to hike a bit in. We took the trail just to where the switchbacks start down and that's about as far as you can go. Of all my trips up since the re-opening, this one punched me in the chest the hardest. I just could not believe I was looking down Ash Creek Canyon ..... black sticks as far as I could see down and on both sides of the canyon. We were told by Forest Service earlier at Cunningham that a decision was made to close and not work on Ash Creek & Frye Mesa Trail (where the fire started) for at least the next 3 years. Webb Peak is also black sticks, but was told that a loop may be re-opened next year.
Riggs Flat Lake - After Ash Creek we continued down the road through much more burn until finally reaching Riggs where the west end of the fire came to an end. We drove down to the lake that does have some minimal burn down, then through the campgrounds & ended with a nice hike around the lake on the Lakeshore Trail. Riggs Lake area for the most part was unaffected by the fire. Merrill Peak was hit on top and I'm sure the backside was too. There is a "burn" sign posted for the Jesus Babcock Trail behind the campground.
CP Flat - Finally on to the end of the road to hike CP Flat. A very needed break from fire damage with an autumn walk through Letty's Grove. I knew we were late for the golden aspen leaves up high, but just as beautiful hiking on the golden leaf road!
Blair Canyon - On the drive back out we stopped at Chesley Flat to see how Blair Canyon fared and as expected ..... not well. High burn and I'm sure Chesley Flat to Webb Peak looks the same.
Quick last stop at the Shake Trail to show Preston the red slurry covered trees at the start of the trail, this entire trail survived and is one of the very few left unaffected.

Our trip ended on the straightaway where Preston dropped me off at my truck, we said our good-bye's & I drove home still processing what I saw on top.

I have now seen the entire top of Graham and have a good understanding to the condition of the majority of the forest & trails. As stated in other logs - I am still shook, bitter & angry over this fire. The damage is much worse then I ever expected. There is still a lot of green up there and I have found a few places that still holds some un-burned beauty that will keep me looking for more. I have spent my entire life going up that mountain and this will take many years to come to peace with ..... I just hope someday I will get there.
I understand that most don't want to read about others personal hardships as I honestly don't like reading them myself. What has happened has happened and I cannot change it only move on - This will be my last log about the Frye Fire of 2017!

To close I just want to thank Preston for taking me up the mountain to view the destruction with me. Seeing it with a good friend made it more bearable. There will be many more great trips up & around Ole' Graham my friend!!!
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Met up with Chad bright and early after another all-nighter working at the telescope on Mount Graham, and we started up the Swift Trail. The focus of the day was to tour the Pinalenos and see first hand the effects of the Frye Fire of June 2017. Our first stop of the day was at a small canyon that I had passed so many times without ever stopping to explore it. This little hidden gem was loaded with changing maples and flowing water.

As we passed the top end of the Shake Trail, we entered into the main burn area of the Frye Fire. Pitchfork Canyon looked like it had been skewered by the Devil’s flaming pitchfork. A mountain side of black sticks where a lush stand of mature firs had once provided dense shade. The Arrow Tree still stood.

Stop 2 was at Snow Flat. Most of this area had fared well, with the exception being the back road to Treasure Park (Treasure Park via Snow Flat hike is charcoal city). Hospital Flat had some damage but is still beautiful, I think.

Stop 3 was Grant Hill Trailhead. Grant Hill was almost entirely consumed in a crown fire. Hopefully aspens will thrive here in the coming decades, but it looks pretty bad right now, and the trail loops on it are closed for the foreseeable future. We talked with the Squirrel Girl here, and heard the latest Red Squirrel census, which was pretty grim (35 found during the post-fire count, I heard).

The Grant Creek area didn’t look too bad, with only moderate fire damage, as we approached Stop 4: Cunningham Campground, next to the western trailhead of the Cunningham Loop. We talked with some
Forest Service employees briefly, and checked out the the Grant Creek Trailhead before continuing on. The Moonshine Creek area fared well, with fall aspens and ferns adding some color.

The Fort Grant overlook revealed Grant Creek Canyon to have a mosaic burn pattern, with plenty of green forest left intact.

Approaching Columbine through the singed spruce-fir, we turned down Bible Camp Road toward the Deadman-Highline Trailhead. Bible Camp Road had seen mosaic burn, and while there was heavy damage in places, there were some patches of surviving spruce-fir. I knew that much of Deadman had been thoroughly torched, but I had hope that my trail sign might have survived. As we rounded the first corner of Deadman, there was the trail sign I had made in 2010, perfectly undamaged among burned logs. I couldn’t believe it, and it was one of the few sights that day that made me smile. I unbolted my soot-covered creation to bring it home, as Deadman-Highline, my favorite Pinaleno trail, will probably not ever reopen.

The next stop was one Chad and I were both apprehensive over: Columbine Corral/Ash Creek Trailhead. We had heard that Ash Creek and Webb Peak were severely burned and a sea of black sticks. Sadly, that was true. The jewel of the Pinalenos was completely devoid of green, save for some small aspen and raspberry sprouts in places. Heartbreaking. On to the next spot...

Soldier Creek Campground looked great, just like old times.

As we drove toward Chesley Flat across the black skeleton slopes of Webb Peak, we wondered if any of the top was untouched by this mega-fire. Fire damage beyond Chesley Flat was less severe, and finally ceased at the turnoff for Riggs Lake. There is some ground fire evidence on the east side of Riggs, but very minor. We walked around the lake on the Lakeshore Trail, finally able to see a healthy, familiar favorite.

We continued down the last mile plus of the Swift Trail through the unburned forests of old, to the Clark Peak Trailhead, where we started the CP Flat Loop hike. The west end of the Pinalenos was deserted and we enjoyed a great hike through the aspens and mixed conifer woodland.
The rugged cliffs of Grandview Peak above Hell’s Hole looked amazing with a small strip of golden aspens clinging precariously.

Making our way home, I pulled over at Chesley Flat to check out the upper end of the Blair Canyon Trail and the old “spooky woods” area. This area was on the edge of the Webb Peak inferno and sustained heavy but not total damage. Still some survivor trees, including the tumor tree, and the ancient Blair Canyon Trail sign.

We continued back down the mountain, discussing our findings and thoughts on the matter, and made one final stop at the upper Shake Trailhead to see trees caked in red retardant from the fire.

Back on the straightaway at the base of the Pinalenos, Chad headed for home, and I grabbed a sandwich at Mount Graham Market for dinner on the road to home.

A few observations, which are totally my opinion...
Most of the burn area, which includes the majority of the top of the Pinalenos, appeared to me to have about 50% tree mortality. Of that 50%, a large portion of these trees were covered in dead needles with no sign of green (heat scorched trees, rather than burn, maybe?). The most severe burn areas appeared to be Pitchfork Canyon, Grant Hill, Ash Creek, and Webb Peak. The least severe/most green areas appeared to be Snow Flat, the area north of Hospital Flat, and Grant Creek watershed. The top of Graham Ridge between Shannon Campground and the summit of Mount Graham was severely burned, with almost total tree mortality. Severe erosion scarred most of the drainages and creeks on top. I won’t discuss my personal feelings here, other than to say the burn was worse than I had feared. I still love the Pinalenos, and always will, but they sure do look rough right now. I might post a photo set.

Chad, thanks for another great adventure! Much better to see sights like this with a like-minded friend.
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Jun 03 2017
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My first on Mt Graham. The road up is longer and freakier than the Lemmon road, but it's in really good shape (including the unpaved section) and a beautiful drive. We went down the Ash Creek Trail I'd guess four miles. Not a huge trip, but totally fulfilling: nice woodsy amble up top, outstanding views a little further on of Ash Creek Canyon and Gila Valley, and rich riparian stuff down in the canyon. Somewhat to my surprise we missed the falls, at least as I've seen them in photos (although at one point we did catch a great overhead glimpse of some falls or other). It looks like there's more one than one route through the upper part of the canyon? Or is there a side trail? Anyway, great day - definitely hope to come back and do the whole thing soon.
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Great first hike on Mt. Graham; it's like there's a whole other Mt. Lemmon out there! I normally hate down-then-up hikes, but this one didn't feel too bad. That said, I'd really like to try climbing this from the bottom sometime. Great waterfall view from above, lots of shade, and some really nice campsites down where the trail rejoins the creek. Hope to make another trip out here (though probably a different trail) this summer.
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Webb Peak from Ash Creek THTucson, AZ
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A couple different places in eastern Arizona were on the radar this weekend, but since this was only going to be a day hike it needed to be relatively close. The plan was to car camp near the TH, head up to Webb Peak from Ash Creek as an out and back in the morning, then drive back to Phoenix that night.

We woke up earlier than expected and I got my first glimpses of the Pinalenos with the sunrise. Holy crap, this Sky Island is HUGE.

I was head over heels for Ash Creek within the first few miles. This is an amazing creek-side hike! The forest along the creek is lush and dense, the creek lines up amazing waterfalls one after another, and every once in a while you pop out of the vegetation to superb views looking back or further up at the mountain. A perfect balance in my opinion.

The trail is in pretty good condition from the bottom all the way to the Webb Peak Trail JCT. A few blow downs, and some damaged tread. There are a bunch of blow downs between the Webb Peak/Ash Creek JCT and the top of Ash Creek, though.

The lookout makes the side trip to Webb Peak worth it. The view was a very fresh one for me. There is a lot of new territory for me to explore out there... I was hoping to find a few big patches of snow near the top to test out a new toy, but the bulk of the snow up there is long gone. It was too warm by the time we reached the top anyway. What's left of the snow is small patches in the trees.

I really can't say anything bad about this hike. The Pinalenos met and exceeded my expectations. With plenty of great camping options along Ash Creek, I can't wait to come back and do some more exploring in this area and the greater Pinaleno range.
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Webb Peak from Ash Creek THTucson, AZ
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Headed south to cover some new territory with Dallin. I was expecting an experience similar to our previous sky island outing in the Rincons and Mt Lemmon. This trip exceed my expectations. We got a nice early start and could immediately hear the creek raging below as we started up Ash Creek Trail. Once the trail met back up with the creek, we knew we were in for a gorgeous but long day. This entire riparian area was lush with vegetation that was not only green, but also flowered already. Big Sycamores loomed over head and patches of Columbines lined the raging creek. Waterfalls and deep pools were around every corner. This narrow, cliffed out section turned to a dense Maple and Fern forest. After a good climb, we reached the upper section of the creek as it runs through peaceful Pine forest. I was surprised how warm it was even at higher elevations. Must've been like this for a while now because it had the appearance of a mid-summer Pine forest elswehere. The Pines seemed to get taller as we climbed onto the ridgeline and enjoyed a stroll over to Webb Peak via Webb Peak Trail. A few small patches of snow lingered in the last couple of miles. Once on the peak, we checked out the lookout tower and had a snack before heading down. Definitely nice to get up the tower and over the tree line for those expansive views. We started the trek down on Ash Creek Trail this time. It was littered with deadfall at first but cleared up eventually. The scenery and views were enough to make 9 miles of downhill on an out and back about as enjoyable as possible. From the riparian zone to the Pines, it was beautiful all around.
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Mar 11 2017
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The goal of this backpack was to escape anything related to 90 degree temperatures, to visit some waterfalls and find some snow. It was successful on all fronts. A tremendous over night trip into the premier sky island, Mount Graham.

We started our backpack at the lower Ash Creek trailhead. This trail is a climb from the start and it can feel like a real slog at times, especially, when carrying an extra tent and old sleeping bag for the pups. In particular, the 1,000 feet gained between mile four and fivish, is brutal. There were a few newly fallen obstacles along the way and some higher than average creek crossing as well to add to the ardor. After enjoying the falls from the trailside lookout, Jackie stayed with the pups so I could get a "closer" look. After dropping down one viewpoint, I started to realize that although it was very steep and a little dicey looking, one could scramble all the way to the base of the falls, an area that has been on my wish list for awhile. I yelled back to Jackie and let her know I was going down further, she acknowledged and I began the wild descent, which actually went pretty well.

However, about a 100, or so feet from the bottom I kicked up a pretty good rock slide, one that ended with a couple hundred plus pound boulders smashing to the bottom of the raging creek and echoing something thunderous and chilling. I immediately thought Jackie might get worried and yelled back, "I'm ok," even though I knew there was probably no way she could hear me. After that, the base of the falls came pretty easily and I marveled at the cool little area, After exploring and snapping a few pics of the cool little cascades below the falls, I began my crawl up. After reaching the top, I found out pretty quickly from a shook up Jackie that she had been assuming the worst since hearing the rock slide, In fact, she had even sent out a couple of distressed texts to people assuming the worst, after not seeing, or hearing from me in about 45 minutes. The poor girl was about 15 minutes away from collecting her gear, the pups and heading back to the TH to get proper help. I felt horrible for not communicating my intentions to reach the bottom and for not finding away to signal back that I was alright, after the rock slide; a tad humbling seeing how greatly thoughts of your demise might impact someone close to you. In the end though, all was well and nobody was hurt, so we continued on after collecting ourselves a little.

We took the nearly devoid of snow Ash Creek bypass trail over the snowed in route over slick rock. We ended up calling it a day near the old mill site. We found a great site along the robust snow fed creek and set up camp quickly to potentially pursue some exploring up trail. However, that thought devolved into a nap and the usual camp chores. We enjoyed a chilly, but not overly cold night and while the temperatures definitely reached freezing, I do not think they dipped too far below that. The moon never really allowed darkness to take hold, but we still slept well, thanks in part to a tough little day and climb.

We decided to head for Webb Peak Sunday morning, but got turned around by some real deep snow just after clearing 9,500 feet. We had got lucky for most of the hike up and were able to cruise with micro-spikes on some hard crusted 3-4 feet deep snow for large sections, however, as the temperature warmed the post holing began. However, it was still only a minor inconvenience until we got to just under a half a mile from the summit where the snow got really deep and soft, deep enough to lose a dog in deep! We'd had such a good time playing in the snow up until then, that it really did not bother us to turn around. We did the quick hike back to camp, broke camp and started the relentless descent. The trip down seemed to fly by in comparison to the hike up. I visited an old favorite set of falls on the way down and then finally made it to another one I had been meaning to get to. We finished to complaining about the heat and in shorts and t-shirts, slightly different than the wintry conditions we began our day with, Arizona at its finest.

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Haven't been down to the falls in 2 years and my visiting friends have never seen the falls.
This area is now a little "out of season", but that's OK, this trail is awesome anytime of the year!
We headed down Ash Creek #307, quick side trip to the old mill site, then down to the falls overlook with a short off-trail route to a frontal view. I then, as my partners ate lunch, made a decision to once and for all climb down the canyon wall to the base of the falls. Was a bit of a risky path down, but it all worked out and I finally got to look up the falls from the bottom ..... bucket list check!
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We then took the Bypass trail back out completing the lasso loop. The autumn colors are just about all gone now and the creek/falls were flowing a little below average, but that was expected today for this date. Snow will be coming soon and the road in will be closing in 5 days. Ash Creek Trail IMO will always be the gem on top of this mountain and I was very happy to get to show it to my friends before they leave town (they loved it).
Lots of deer sightings today, I believe we counted 12 along the way.
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