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I've wanted to do this hike for over a year now and when the temperatures spiked in late March I took the opportunity to make my first foray into the Mazatzals. I had briefly discussed the route last year with @JacobEmerick but conveniently forgot that he advised to avoid Willow Spring Trail. Before this trip I thought I was a fairly good backpacker - I am, quite literally, a professional - but the Mazzies turned my 6-day 60-mile plan into a 7-day 100-mile monstrosity that had me questioning much more than just my backpacking skills.

AZT
Starting from Mormon Grove Trailhead I'm going to skip over the Arizona Trail portions of the route until things get fun later on. Everyone knows what the AZT is about. ~40 miles from Mormon Grove TH to where the AZT splits off from Red Hills Trail.

Red Hills
Both maps I had (Nat Geo & USGS Quads) show the intersection where the AZT breaks off from Red Hills nearly a mile off of where it actually is. Red Hills was my favorite trail of the trip. A diverse hike that goes through a pine canyon before breaking out into open red rock hills. Simple enough to follow with obvious tread and big cairns. There are 2 horse camps along Red Hills and I was surprised at how built up they were (barbed wire corrals, wooden awning structures, tools stashed) considering the Wilderness designation.

Midnight
The brush began over the first half of Midnight but nothing bad. About halfway along Midnight around Wet Bottom Creek is another horse camp and after that it quickly gets much tougher. The trail fades out and rises steeply up the side of a brush-choked canyon. A good taste of what is to come. There was strong evidence someone had recently took stock up Midnight and down Willow Spring even along Midnight Mesa (or vice versa) which impressed me greatly.

Willow Spring
I spent 45+ minutes looking for the Midnight / Willow Spring intersection to no avail. Midnight peters out and Willow Spring doesn't peter in on a thick brushy ridge. That being said you will have to spend as much time as it takes to find Willow Spring coming around the side of Midnight Mesa because that 4-inch wide path is the only viable way to contour around the buttress. This part was the only area I could follow Willow Spring because a step in any other direction would be falling down the side of the Mesa.

Willow Spring then goes along a knife-edge ridge that afforded the best views of the entire trip. Really stunning terrain way back deep in the Mazatzals. I lost the trail quite a bit on the way down to the Deadman/Willow Spring/Dutchman Grave intersection - there are big cairns but they're so enveloped by shrubs that you can't see them until right on top negating the usefulness.

Deadman / Willow Spring
I had hoped to find water and camp in this area around the intersection and Mountain Spring but was mostly disappointed in both. I spent at least 30 minutes in the creek bed area that Mountain Spring showed to be in on my maps with nary a trickle or hint of water. There were water pools farther down the creek bed that saved me and since I was cowboy camping I just laid down underneath a tree but didn't see much in the way of tent camping options in the vicinity.

In addition to the 30 minutes I spent poking around Mountain Spring I spent another 45 or so looking for the beginning of the Deadman Trail. There is an obvious track from the newly-signed intersection leading down to those aforementioned pools but then nothing at all up or down or across. That scared me off Deadman potentially being a touch bushwhack the entire route and I decided to change plans and not pursue Deadman. Instead I would go back up Willow Spring, take another shot at finding that Willow Spring/Midnight intersection and then follow Willow Spring across to the AZT so I could still get back to Mormon Grove TH. The devil I knew over the devil I didn't - or so I thought.

Willow Spring / Off-trail to Midnight & back
The Willow Spring devil got a lot worse. There isn't even a hint of trail east of the non-existent intersection. It is thick, thick bushwhacking up and down ridges. I was able to go maybe a half mile an hour and was quickly exhausting my water due to the very physically demanding terrain and brush.

I stood on top of a mountain along the Willow Spring "trail" - physically and mentally broken after almost 2 days now of gnarly bushwhacking - and saw some water in the creek bed far below. Looking at the map I figured I had about 4 more miles of Willow Spring before reaching the AZT. Based on the conditions and my pace so far I estimated that would take 6 hours if I had good luck, 8 hours with mild luck. I didn't want to consider no luck or bad luck scenarios besides briefly contemplating how difficult it would be for SAR to get me out of there if injured.

If I could make it down the mountain to the creek below it looked like I could follow it off-trail to reconnect with Midnight around where the trail crosses Wet Bottom Creek. So I did just that, bailing, knowing I would have nearly 50 miles of hiking to get back to my truck and only 1.25 planned days left to do it in. For once the thick brush and steep terrain worked in my favor getting several hundred vertical feet down the mountain to the creek because I could slowly fall into each tight layer of Manzanita then pull myself through the woody branches before slowly falling into the next layer and repeating all the way down.

That off-trail creek, which was unnamed on both my maps and which I named Fortune Creek, ended up being my favorite part of the trip. It had water, it didn't have brush, it was beautiful hiking down a canyon that turned a little slotty once or twice and it represented a change in my fortune which had been very poor for quite some time. I was able to easily follow Fortune Creek down to its confluence with Wet Bottom Creek and subsequently with the Midnight Trail. I actually had a tougher time following the "better" half of Midnight on the way out than I did on the way in but was eventually back to Red Hills then the AZT. I had to extend my trip an extra day to get out the way I came but met a nice thru-hiker who let me text my mom and gave me some water tabs to tide me over.

All in all it was a really humbling experience to hike deep into the Mazzies. Due to the off-trail brushy conditions, challenging terrain & high miles I've never left a trip more physically beat up than this one. But definitely worth it to explore a lesser-seen side of this rugged & scenic Wilderness.
 
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A loop in the Mazatzal Wilderness with great weather, some nice trails and some not there trails. We parked near the intersection of FR25 & FR25A and hiked FR25 up to the Mormon Trailhead. Saddle Mtn trail, Sheep Creek trail, Thicket Spring trail & West Fork trail were all decent but the loop around Story Mine was completely overgrown. There was a section of the Story mine loop that someone trimmed but that was the only part worth the effort. We stopped and looked at a few prospects along the way and took in the views. The best stuff was along FR25A. FR25A is true 4x4 driving but it would be fun to go back and explore the various mines and side roads another day.
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Andy agreed to drive for this one because we weren’t sure of the condition of FR25, which turns out isn’t bad at all. Despite that, we opted to not drive in all the way to the Mormon Grove TH and instead park at a pullout camping area just past the junction with FR25A and get the climb up the road to Mormon Grove out of the way first thing.

One the way up FR25, we spotted one or two prospects. One had a faint trail that led partway to it and faded away quickly at a smaller prospect. The overgrowth made it hard to make anything out, which was just a filled in hole anyway. Also spotted a leftover leg from what looks like it might have been a half eaten rabbit, so it looks like signs of a mountain lion possibly.
From Mormon Grove TH we headed north on Saddle Mt Trail. At the junction with the Sheep Creek Trail, we made the unfortunate decision to try to check out the lasso loop trail to the Story Mine. The leader trail is in good shape, but once you’re on the lasso part, the trail is severely overgrown. It starts out with mostly manzanita, then the catclaw starts to pop up. Andy and Wally decided to bail once the catclaw appeared and headed straight up over the hill to the Story Mine. They said they found the mine and it wasn’t much to see. I stayed on the “trail” and fought my way through to where some maintenance was done and it became a highway again, which was maybe 0.2 of a mile. I have a track from 15 years ago when I hiked this area, and I hiked part of this but not what I did this day. At where the maintained part of the loop is, there is another road or trail that heads down the hill, I think to other mines. I remember that I could see it in the hill while on the loop, but it also looked pretty overgrown once I was next to it. I have no memory at all of hiking this 15 years ago, despite having the proof the GPS track on my computer.

After the Story Mine excursion, we continued north taking Sheep Creek, Thicket Spring and West Fork over to FR25A and then back to the car. From Thicket Spring to West Fork, I missed the turn because I turned too soon on what seemed to be an old alignment of the trail. It was a little overgrown, but not nearly as bad as the Story Mine trail. I was on the East Fork Trail soon enough and on my way.

The hike down FR25A seemed to be nicest part of the hike. It mainly follows a wash, so it was like hiking a normal trail even though it’s a very rough road. The trees had fall colors, and some parts were like slot canyons. There were also signs from the active mining days and some interesting mine shafts to explore. We saw one side by side that headed up a really steep road that branched off of 25A and a Jeep further down that was left idling while the owners walked their dog through the wash. On the last descent to FR25 I spotted a doe in the wash below and managed to get some good pictures.
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Chris invited me for this “tour de Mazzies”. I’ve never been on any of these trails, so this was all new to me.

The plan was to drive up to the Mormon Grove Trailhead and start up Saddle Mountain Trail. Driving in, after a wrong turn, Chris wisely suggested we park near the FS25 and FS25A and start the hike with 2 miles going up 25 to the trailhead rather than do that at the end of a 12 mile hike.

Chris designed the loop as - Saddle Mountain Trail to Sheep Creek Trail/Thicket Spring Trail/West Fork Trail and then down the canyon along the “road” 25A.

Saddle Mountain was a nice trail. Some decent views along a well maintained trail. It is part of the AZT and it showed. We decide to explore a small loop at the Story Mine before starting on Sheep Creek Trail. That turned into a pretty rough and overgrown bushwhack where the bushes actual whacked me (repeatedly).

The views along the top of the loop are more canyon than Mountain views. The highlight of the hike was the section along the “road” and the West Fork Sycamore Creek. We missed the colors by a couple weeks, but it was still nice. Very rough, too rough for most vehicles.

Making it back to the truck at the bottom of the hill was better than having to hike up that hill at the end for sure.

A good day in the Mazatals and it’s always nice to hike with Wally and Chris.
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Synopsis: The Dislocation Debacle (TL;DR Version)
Hiked with @joebartels for the first time on the Lion Mountain/Copper loop that he completed last month. Planned on a 10-12 hour hike, first portion was relatively smooth sailing up to 4608, across the ridge to 4570, and back down the mountain. Second portion less smooth: storm passed through and drenched us, Joe dislocated his shoulder and couldn't get it popped back in, I accidentally discharged some bear spray, we missed a key turn to leave the creek bed, then had a slow hike out in the dark that finally ended after midnight, missing our 10-12 hour target by an hour...or eight.

Full Version
Well, that didn't go as expected...this was my first time meeting and hiking with Joe, and what we'd optimistically hoped would be a 10 to 12-hour day took over 19 hours. I'd had Lion Mountain on my list for a while, and Joe can't seem to stay away after two trips in November :). When he posted plans for a return trip on HAZ, I was in. He completed this loop solo in ~14 hours a few weeks ago [ photoset ] , and we figured with his knowledge of the route and two of us navigating, we could shave a few hours off that.

We left the valley at ~3AM and took off from Mormon Grove Trailhead just before 5AM with our headlamps on and clear, starry skies overhead. We cruised through the early miles and were around to the northwest side of Saddle Mountain on Copper Camp Trail for the sunrise, then Lion Mountain came into view a little farther along as the peak got hit with the first sunlight of the morning.

We left the trail after ~8.5 miles and started working our way down among the drainages into a new area of the Mazatzals for me, one with geology that reminded me of parts of the Superstitions. Joe and I took a break at the base of Lion Mountain and ate a snack before we started the ascent, and at that point we were a few hours ahead of Joe's previous time, having also started earlier than he did last time.

Dream Ridge had two cliff bands to navigate, a lighter lower one and a darker upper band, but there was only one spot that required a minor scramble, and we stayed left of both bands and made good progress despite the steep grade. Closer to the ridgeline, I made a regrettable route choice and took a more direct route at the peak than Joe's 11/13 route. Shorter distance-wise, but that took us through a lot of steep, loose scree and ultimately slowed us both down. Still, we reached the top of Lion around noon.

There was a large cairn on top, but no summit register that we found. We spent ~40 minutes on top eating lunch and enjoying the awesome panoramic views--Bartlett and Horseshoe are both visible, many of the Mazatzal landmarks (Saddle, Peeley, Sheep, Catherine, Davenport, etc.), Four Peaks, Ord, SB, the Superstition Ridgeline, Weaver's Needle, Red Mountain, and more. Some clouds started to gather, and it looked like rain was falling to the north, but the forecast that morning had said clear skies.

Lion 4608: [ youtube video ]

We followed Lion Ridge over to Peak 4570...nice views, but the peak isn't as prominent as 4608, and it's not immediately obvious where the high point is [ youtube video ] . From there, we dropped down the ravine on the southeast side of the mountain. No major obstacles there, but slow going with steep terrain and lots of cactus, loose rock, and some brush. Clouds gathered and started sprinkling on us as we got to the creek bed at the bottom, and then it poured as we approached the South Fork of Sheep Creek, soaking us pretty good with 6+ miles to go. Fortunately, the heavy rain only lasted a few minutes.

We still had a shot at making it out around sunset, but the wheels came off as we approached the confluence of Tournament Creek/Sheep Creek. There was water in the creek bed in areas it had been dry for Joe on his 11/13 loop, so we had a few minor creek crossings to deal with. One spot had a tricky, uneven landing spot on the far side, and Joe asked for a hand for stability as he crossed. I took his right hand and pulled as he stepped across, and he went down: dislocated shoulder. Excruciating pain.

He spent some time trying to pop it back in and had me push and pull at different angles, but it wasn't going back in. We still had 4-5 miles to go, most of it off-trail, and Joe was in extreme pain and had no good arms with plenty of scrambling and rough/brushy terrain between us and the trailhead. But he felt like if we could get out of the creek bed, he'd be able to make it out.

With water in the creek that would require wading to reach our exit point, I scrambled up the south bank to scout out a possible shortcut and thought I found one. With a lot of pain, effort, and scratches, Joe was able to join me up on south bank of the creek, but something didn't look right. As the sun set, Joe realized we were heading down Sheep Creek when our exit point out of the creek bed was on the side opposite us, starting up Tournament Creek...the HAZ topo map in that part of the Mazatzals is shifted ~210', which added to the confusion when we were studying Route Scout. We'd just wasted a lot of time and effort climbing up that bank and would have to backtrack.

I had my backpack on and Joe's pack slung over my shoulder...in hindsight, a little too close to a cannister of bear spray on my belt. When I stumbled into some brush, his pack knocked the safety clip off the bear spray, and it discharged. Luckily, it sprayed directly into my side, and we only got a whiff of spray with no ill effects, but I had a burning sensation on my skin for the rest of the night. I didn't realize it until later, but somewhere in the darkness and chaos around there, I also lost a pair of sunglasses.

We regrouped, pulled out the headlamps, and worked our way slowly back down the rocky bank, waded east, and Joe found the correct exit point from Tournament Creek. I helped brace him and support his weight so he could avoid putting pressure on the dislocated shoulder as we climbed up a short wall, and we worked our way up the 100' ascent out of the creek and continued east. We settled into our rhythm for the next few hours: Joe took the lead, I brought up the rear with the packs on my back and both our phones out, plugged into portable chargers, navigating with Route Scout and directing Joe while trying not to snag phone cords on brush in the dark.

Before the next big obstacle, we had cell reception and sent some "don't send S&R" texts to people back home. Then we tackled the 400' climb up to 4642, which took over an hour to cover the steep, loose ~0.25-mile. We went up side-by-side, one step at a time with me bracing Joe under his left arm and taking careful steps to make sure we both stayed upright. It was a relief to get that one behind us, then we had a major brush battle and some navigation challenges getting around Chalk Spring, and the clippers came out again as we pushed/cut through some thick areas.

We finally had some easier hiking as we picked up horse trail near Marion Spring and eventually connected with Little Saddle Mountain Trail to complete our loop, back at Joe's truck just after midnight. After a few more unsuccessful attempts to pop Joe's shoulder back in, we started the drive, with Joe still in agony. When we arrived back in the valley ~2AM, I'd been awake for more than 24 hours straight.

Not the experience I'd imagined for my first hike with Joe--I didn't expect we'd both set personal records for longest day-hikes and that I'd literally spend the entire day with him :). But I was happy we were able to get ourselves out and tremendously impressed that Joe finished the loop with a dislocated shoulder in that terrain in the dark : rambo : . It's a beautiful area and a day I'm sure we'll never forget, even if there are parts we'd like to :). Great meeting Joe and a huge thank you for organizing the hike and doing the hard work establishing the route last month. Despite the obvious setbacks, I enjoyed the day!
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Tournament Creek Medium flow Medium flow
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Flowing after recent rain, otherwise occasional pools
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Started at 4:52am
It officially got cold passing Thicket Spring turnoff. Based on the darkness I figured a new moon. We followed Copper Camp where I missed the turn weeks ago. With a preoccupied mind pondering avenues for recoding RS in my spare time along with MapDEX, like hunters destroying the forum & five days of demeaning joy, I questioned the turn. It didn't take long for us to miss another slight turn but we figured it out soon after.

8.03mi - 7:57am | 3h 5m
Off-trail, beating schedule.

I loaded up on water and added a Chocolate Coconut Luna Bar to the minimal mix. It was unexpectedly delicious and little did I know I was in close ties with a Clif relative... lol

10.54mi - 9:43am | 4h 51m
On Dream Ridge, inspiring progress. I switched wardrobes. We cleared the chalk band as I did weeks ago. We started hooking around the rock blob band. At 11.17mi John jigged instead of jagging. I mentioned this mini subtle ridge earlier, so I didn't object. Yet I should have when he opted for the shortest distance between two points. What looked like 20 feet of nuisance scree was 0.2 mi. My 3-pt contact/balance slowed to a crawl.

11.51mi - 12:04pm
I reached Lion where John had been for the past day or 15min, remarkably deciphering surrounding peaks. Enjoyed a long lunch. Then headed to 4570. Babbling returning to the descent, I missed the turn to pad our stats another 0.2mi. 23min quicker descending than my previous because John navigated so I could keep my good right hand free.

13.59mi - 3:48pm | 10h 56m
Stepped into the South Fork of Sheep Creek. A sprinkle on a minimal cloud day escalated to a short soaking. We got out and skirted the creek on a game trail where it was to our advantage. Then back down to the known good pool and John pumped water... smarter than my carry the weight option.

The creek had a light flow vs occasional pools on my previous recent hikes. Despite never slipping or falling, I turned the tables on being way ahead of schedule and John offered to carry my pack. A new pool from recent moisture put a thorn in staying dry.

John scrambled up the right. I disagreed but held my tongue because the dude was carrying my pack and cutting a path up a 40° slope for an idiot who couldn't use either hand. John was excited to find a game trail. I knew it wouldn't pan out but it quickly deciphered what needed to be corrected. I've never driven and been correct about something so I was on cloud nine.

Backtracked and walked through the inevitable pool(72.4° left/ 90° right) getting the turn into Tournament Creek.

4:12 Up Up & Away
I waited at the precarious cactus scramble for John to yipper barefoot through the creek and let him take out some anger on the cactus. Bonus time dwindled to even. My state was making progress 3-5 times slower.

5:30pm Base of 4642
John went above and beyond, carrying my pack, and navigating out. In addition, he steadied my steps up the 1h 8m 400 ascent of 4642. Heading over to Chalk it was easy to see when Fountain Hills was in view due to the sliver moon, so we sent out still-alive messages when a signal surfaced.

Chalk and Marion continued their previous beats of wreaking havoc. John clipped Chalk so scratch that off no reason to return.

9:35pm Trail!
Despite a horrible fall risk and impossible to match the opening 18.5,17.3,16.3(AYFKM),18.3-minute miles, I led as fast as I could. Reviewing splits, still slow...lol

Synopsis
It was great to meet John and I am grateful for his above and beyond help in a bad situation. Several of the early-mile past-hike stories had funny transitions as the day progressed. My favorite was when John asked, so how does this hike rank on memorable hikes?

Be careful, it's a jungle out there.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Tournament Creek Medium flow Medium flow
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Flowing, because it poured on us a 1/2 hour earlier. Otherwise occasional pools.
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There were only two or three campers on the drive-in and nobody at the trailhead. Started at 5:41 a.m. with a shooting star. A little into the hike, Fountain Hills illuminates the skyline. Perhaps the Payson lights can be seen from the north end of the wilderness. A mile in it started to get light.

My squeeze valve was leaking, so I was drinking as much as possible early on. Hydration would be key today with a slight fever and a sore throat. Having worked every breathing moment since the last hike I neglected to get a few things done like getting the foxtails out of my shoes... Lol

Sheep Creek Trail
This trail is well maintained in the upper former AZT portion. Approaching Thicket Spring Trail, Sheep is a small group of unburned tall pines. I thought wow, what a nice camping area until I realized the insulation layer harbored deep freeze temps. Shortly after Thicket Spring Trail, Sheep was more the type of trail I anticipated being on.

A few Hank-Bruce waypoints would'a been wise in hindsight. I went off-trail way too early, picking up a bonus gladiator round with locust. Rookie mistake, I was only 2.2 mi from the actual off-trail... Lol Copper Camp Loop Trail resembles the Audubon once you pay attention.

Evidence of well-fed bears. Viewing my loop as a clock, notably from 5-7 & 10-12.

Approaching the turn-off, I was getting bummed because I thought I was too low on water and would have to abort. Stopping to check, I had plenty and life was good. 2 minutes later, backing up to frame a Lion photo I fell. My left thigh met a rock. Albeit painful it just made sitting awkward/undesirable (I wasn't planning on sitting around).

Off-trail
Turned down off of the theoretical Copper Camp Trail at 9:52. Luckily, I planned where it mattered. The finger ridges may seem easy from a birds-eye-view but dodging the undesirables sooner than later saves resources.

South Fork Sheep Creek
Made it down to the creek. With the grapefruit on my thigh and two new blood-sprinklers tourniqueted with sun sleeves, I contemplated skipping the goal, walking the creek, and turning in my man card. Took some Advil and baby steps up Dream Ridge. Extending my left leg or pushing hard was no bueno. Since the right knee can not handle much fun I took baby steps and laughed at myself.

Dream Ridge
What should have taken me 35 minutes, took 97. Two bands are encountered heading up. The first is chalk or such and the second is slower weathering blobs of rock. A well-balanced hiker with a good pair of hands might get through both. I dodged both hooking left. It's an average 45° grade for the main leg, so I would rather ascend.

Lion Mountain 4608
The views from 4570 last week were pretty good but I needed to evaluate the feasibility of other ideas. Strong 4G like 4570. 25 minutes to evaluate, start lunch, and let someone have a clue where I was if things didn't pan out. That's step one if you do them in order. Parted ways @ 2 PM.

Lion Ridge
It's pretty easy but it's not a relaxing stroll. I had two options to get down. The subway route I took last week is guaranteed but I wanted to try the Southwest Ravine to save ground.

Southwest Ravine
It might work all the way up but there is a band at the top I didn't have time to explore. In favor of higher odds, I hooked it early where it was easy to drop. No biggie but more cactus and brush to dodge than Dream Ridge. Albeit less steep at an average 40° grade, I had to glissade two 15-20 ft runs.

Return
Same as last week. Minus two reassurance sips and a Monster Pipeline, I was out of water with 6 to go. The difference is that I was well-hydrated up to this point. South Fork Sheep Creek > skirt high on the north > drop back down before Tournament > a few paces into Tournament scramble the wall with the precarious cactus... those are key. The last glow of daylight fizzled out on the 400 ft ascent up 4642. Enjoyed the Pipeline. My only concern was Marion. If things went awry, I would just go west no matter what. Chalk hassled me a little then I walked through Marion without blinking.
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Scouted trail in order to survey National Geodetic Survey Monument Ridge and Maricopa - Yavapai County Boundary Marker No. 30. Went in March 2024 before the Backcountry ACE crew cleared it. The trail is much improved with all the work the crews did in April and May of 2024. However, the trail profile is still very rough with the ups and downs following the ridges. I suspect it was cowboy built with no gradient consideration. I hiked six miles into the first sign of water along the drainage south of Sheep Creek Seep. I decided coming in from the west (Horseshoe Lake) would be the better route and plan to complete the survey in January 2025.

dry Sheep Creek Seep Dry Dry
Water in drainage south of Sheep Creek Seep. Turned around before reaching seep. Considerably more water in the spring. This water was likely from the rain the previous week.
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Saddle Mountain - AZT #22Phoenix, AZ
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Had the opportunity to knock off another passage on the AZT, which means I'm officially halfway done... Was worried about heat with a 10:30am start, but there was a breeze in the open areas, and occasional cloud cover, so it turned out not to be too bad (and at times, borderline chilly). The first 4-5 miles were kinda meh; everything between Lone Pine Saddle and Cross F is probably one-and-done for me. After Cross F, the climb up the canyon (can't find a name for this creek on the maps) was nice, and there was intermittent water, which I used to douse myself a couple of times. In the upper part of the canyon, I had to squeeze by a couple of horses; apparently one of them had fallen off the trail and slid a ways, but was unharmed. I told owners of said horse that I hoped the rest of their day goes much better.

Once up to the Mormon Grove turn, it was back to familiar territory. I love the views up there. Took a 15 minute or so break at McFarland, where the water was clear, cool, and tasty. One of my favorite spots in the Mazatzals.

The last couple of climbs got a little old. It's obvious motorcyclists have been using the trail between Cornucopia and Peeley, and they've even been kind enough to start cutting a switchback or two. Hopefully the FS is on it, but I doubt it.

Almost a mile from Peeley TH, I ran into my friends, who had a beverage for me. That was a nice surprise. Hung out at the TH for an hour or so, where the gnats were insane and it actually started getting nice and cool.
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Sheep Creek Trail Maintenance, AZ 
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Joined the Sheep Creek Trail Maintenance event to begin clearing trail on the 8 plus miles between the AZT Saddle Mountain passage and Davenport Trail. Hiked in Friday morning from Mormon Grove TH 4.5 miles to base camp at McFarland Spring.

Once at camp we setup and then headed out for afternoon of trail work. Unfortunately, it started to rain as we left camp and continued all afternoon. Despite the wet conditions we were able to clear a good amount of trail. We wrapped up trail work about 4pm and headed back to camp. Got a fire going and the rain stopped but was still a bit cold.

Next day on the trail working by 830. Things pretty much dried out by 10am which made the trail work easier. Cleared the trail west bound on Sheep Creek passed Squaw Flat Spring which doesn’t exist anymore. However, there was water running in the creek with the winter rains. Took most of the day to clear the trail to the Copper Camp Trail junction about 1 mile from McFarland. The last hour we started up the hill as the trail leaves the drainage before heading back to camp around 4. Rain was all gone and fire was nice to relax after hard day of work.

Last day continued clearing up the hill to Squaw Flat and a real nice patch of old growth Arizona Cypress. Up to this point in the trail work all the areas we had been clearing were impacted by fire so brush and downfall were a major issue. Once in the old growth Cypress the trail was easier to clear. Finished up the afternoon work to where the trail begins an 800 foot descent into the next drainage. We had cleared just under 2 miles of trail before heading back to camp.

Back at camp some of the crew would stay another night and a few hours extra work in the morning but I had to get back out that evening. Only 4.5 miles back to the car and made it there by 645pm. Productive three days of trail work and this was to setup the ACE crew that will be out there in April continuing our work from where we stopped.

dry Squaw Flat Spring Dry Dry
There is a spring box but the fire damage filled in any remnants of the spring. However, there was water running in the creek from winter rain and snow.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Upper McFarland @ #88/95 Medium flow Medium flow
Plenty of water running in McFarland with the winter rain and snow.
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Mormon Grove to Squaw Flat, AZ 
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Chapter 1: Prequel
It's been over a decade since Tracey had been on this part of Passage #22 of the Arizona Trail and to refresh her memory she pondered an all-day semi-loop hike out to AZT #22 via Cornucopia from Forest Road #25/25A, then hit AZT #22 SOBO all the way South to the McFarland TH along the old Sunflower Highway. Since she can easily handle the distance but it's a bit iffy for me, the idea was for me to hike part way with her, go back to the car, drive to the McFarland TH, then hike out to meet her.

During the planning, since we'd been out Cornucopia numerous times (the last just 7 months ago) and I hadn't been NOBO from McFarland in over 4 years, I mentioned dropping her off at FR #25/25A, immediately driving to McFarland TH, maybe dawdling a bit before hiking out to meet her and we'd finish the hike together.

At that point she said she'd rather do a full albeit shorter hike with me... hmmm, does that mean I'm be good company to hike with? I guess so.

Ok, so now the plan is to hike out from Mormon Grove TH to the AZT #22 heading NOBO and eventually head West on Sheep Creek Trail and turn around at Squaw Flat Spring, to which we had last been over 6 years ago.

CHAPTER 2: The drive to Mormon Grove TH
While driving out Forest Road #25 a week ago I said to Tracey "It would be nice is the FS would come out 'sweep' the road to remove the excess amount of rocks"... and guess what? It appears the road was graded after the rain a few days back but before the weekend traffic. So we actually had pretty smooth sailing all the way up to Mormon Grove! Cool!
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CHAPTER 3: The hike to Squaw Flat
Arriving at the TH we encountered a group of 4 + a dog who had a full camp set up connected to their Toyota FJ Cruiser. I guess "no camping at the trailhead" doesn't register with them. The moment I stepped out of the 4Runner, with the dog stretched to the end of its leash toward me, a woman somewhat gruffly asked if we had a dog, to which I replied we did not. I guess she wasn't happy they had to leash their dog when we arrived. Whatever, we just beat feet and headed out.
(Thankfully the trailhead was empty when we returned some 5+ hours later.)

Shortly after we were NOBO on AZT #22 I noticed fresh ATC tracks long the trail... yup, even though ATC's in a Wilderness are verboten! It took a little while before I determined it had originally traveled South some distance (I'll get to that later) before heading back North again.
(My determination was based on the dirt/mud thrown from a spinning tire when going up obstacles)
My initial assumption was the possibility of the ATC doing part of the "Easy Mines Loop" from FR #25A out Cornucopia (along which we've noticed ATC tracks on several occasions) onto West Fork Trail #260, SOBO on Thicket Spring Trail #95, Sheep Creek Trail #88 and Saddle Mountain Trail #91 continuing on to end at the McFarland TH along the old Sunflower Highway and returning it came.
(I won't be too far off on the assumption, but that had more to do with my lack-of-imagination than anything)

Ok, ok, we're hiking, not critiquing an ATC rider (more like being somewhat incensed) and it's time to enjoy the beautiful scenery. And that it was! Perfect weather, slightly cool, a calm high 40's to start, 50's throughout with a slight breeze every so often and just cresting 61° back at the TH.

In one sense one may describe the hike as boring due to encountering (or even seeing) absolutely no wildlife but for a bird or two, but the reasonably wide tread vacillated from smooth-and-flat, to steep-and-rocky along with everything in between. All along we continued following the ATC tracks, which, upon reaching the threw us for a surprise... the ATC continued West on/along/thereabouts the Sheep Creek Trail. I said 'thereabouts' due to some spots where the ATC was unable to drive or be manhandled up and over downed trees or other such obstacles, it created its own detours and continued on. In reality, if the ATC had NOT traveled out-and-back along Sheep Creek a day or so earlier, we very likely would have lost the trail a few times, which was not an issue back in 2017.

Upon reaching Squaw Flat we stopped for the obligatory photo of the "John Hughes" concrete water tank before heading back to take our lunch break back at the Sheep Creek Trail/Thicket Spring Trail/AZT #22 junction. Since we went no farther West, my assumption vis-a-vis the ATC was that it had come up from the Verde River along maybe the Copper Camp Trail to Sheep Creek Trail and some distance (all the way/?) out the Saddle Mountain Trail.

CHAPTER 4: Return trip
After a very peaceful lunch we took a quick look into the mine along with a short jaunt out-and-back along Thicket Spring Trail #95 before heading back SOBO at a leisurely pace, at least on the uphills, so my max HR only exceeded 130's once, staying mostly in the 120's. During the majority of the flat parts the HR was mid-80's to 90's, with a few dips in the mid-70's... must have been when I was spaced out allowing my feet to beat like a metronome.

It was only when we reached the junction to turn back to Mormon Grove Trailhead that I realized the ATC tracks continued farther SOBO, so... I have a distinct feeling the ATC went a lot farther South, possibly to McFarland TH (or more likely Forest Road #393?) and back... all the way West to the Verde?? And of course, probably 95% of that is in the Mazatzal Wilderness.

All I can say to that is what Tracey saw on a black T-shirt for sale...
"People: F*ing Nightmare, would not recommend" along with a ONE-star rating.
(NOTE: the asterisk was NOT present, the full word was)

And that's it for our pre-Thanksgiving hike.
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Mazatzal Saddle Mountain 6535 and Squaw Flat, AZ 
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We started from Mormon Grove Trailhead around 7:30AM. On the drive in, we noticed Google Maps trying to route us from FR 627 through private property on Cross F Ranch to connect with FR 25, so we had to be sure to use FR 201 to connect with FR 25. There were three trucks at the trailhead, and it was ~45° when we started but felt comfortable in the sun.

Saddle Mountain Trail was a good warmup--wide open and easy, with some interesting color and formations with the red rocks near the Little Saddle Mountain intersection. Two miles in, we turned off and visited Potato Patch, and TBoneKathy generously waited while I started up toward the peak of Saddle Mountain. It steepness isn't too bad, but the brush makes it more...interesting. I put gloves on and got the clippers out, and even leaving Potato Patch to start up the base of the mountain required pushing/cutting through extremely thick brush and catclaw, to the point that I almost abandoned the plan when I saw how long it was going to take.

But the slope looked more open up higher, and once I got through that initial wall, it did open up a little, and my pace picked up as I worked my way up toward the rocky lower peak south of Saddle Mountain, and the views improved quickly [ youtube video ] . The brush closed in again as I circled around below the south/east side of the southern peak toward the saddle. In shorts and a T-shirt, I was getting shredded by branches...they were so thick that any serious effort and cutting a path through became a waste of time, and I mostly just tried to choose the least sharp obstacles and push through it.

Closer to the saddle, I saw signs of someone else's clipping, and there was a faint and brief trail that was a welcome relief for a few minutes. Once on the saddle, there was some easy scrambling up to the peak, which was also very brushy. I found the reference markers first, but thanks to the brush, I still took a while finding the benchmark even with the help of the RM arrows. I placed a summit register in the vicinity of the benchmark and recorded some videos and snapped some pictures. There's plenty of nice scenery all around, but with all the foliage on the peak, there are few if any spots with unobstructed 360° views and not many options to sit and enjoy the surroundings.

Summit view N/E: [ youtube video ]
Summit view S/W: [ youtube video ]

Knowing how long TBoneKathy had already been waiting, I just took a sip of water and headed down the same way, picking up more scratches on the return to Potato Patch. Getting up and back down took ~ two and a half hours to cover a little under two miles. Reunited, we resumed our regularly scheduled hike on Saddle Mountain Trail with the goal of getting as close to Plateau Overlook Point as we could. With my detour up to the peak, we probably weren't going to have time to get all the way there, but being back on an open trail after the bloodshed going up and down Saddle Mountain was a relief.

We continued on Sheep Creek Trail, which became more overgrown and a little tougher to follow after the Thicket Spring intersection. We took a short break near Squaw Flat Spring, then continued onto Copper Camp Trail. The trail finally climbed up out the creek bed, and the brush and the views opened up again. We turned around ~1.5 miles as-the-crow-flies from Plateau Overlook Point, though we still had the steepest part of Copper Camp Trail head of us, but it was nice to have view of Saddle Mountain from three different sides (and up close) today.

The hike out was uneventful, and a cool breeze picked up over the last few miles. We didn't see any hikers all day, just two hunters when we were almost back to the trailhead, and not much in the way of of wildlife other than some small tarantulas. Even though we didn't make the overlook, it was a fun day--new trails for both of us, and Saddle Mountain was a fun challenge that I'll relive via cuts and scratches for many days :). I was happy to make it up there, but it's not a peak I'm anxious to revisit anytime soon...the reward:punishment ratio is pretty low.
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Sep 12 2022
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From Mormon Grove trailhead hiked to McFarland area initially with goal of doing a recon of Sheep Creek Trail from that junction of AZT. The recon is to submit for trail maintenance grant but we needed some documentation of trail conditions.

Off and hiking by about 730 Monday morning and made it to McFarland junction pretty quick. From there the fun begins with trail conditions deteriorating quickly. The area has suffered major fire damage so lots of downed trees, various debris, overgrown brush and trail wash outs. The poor trail conditions continue all the way to Squaw Flat which is particularly roughed up. Found the spring box at Squaw Flat spring but no water to speak of.

Continuing past Squaw Flat it climbs a hill about 300 feet gain and this part the trail is easier to follow with minor brush and washouts but followable. Took a break near the top where the fire appeared to stop and some Arizona Cypress trees provided some welcome shade. After the break it was time to drop down into the feeder drainage for Sheep Creek and is also the divide which put us on the west side of the Mazatzal. This downhill section was the best part of intact trail tread that we found during the recon. Brushy in spots but for the most part from the top of divide down to the drainage it's easy trail to follow.

Once in the drainage the goal was to find water. We didn't have to go very far before finding some small pools and lots of poison ivy. We also found a nice camp spot so decided to make camp and plan for the day hike recon for the next day. Good night in camp except for a midnight thunderstorm that dumped for about 3 hours.

Next morning things were a little wet but we continued down Sheep Creek Trail assessing the trail conditions. Trail is followable in spots but has lots of brush to include poison ivy, catclaw, and various oak scrub blocking where the trail used to be in many spots. Checked out Sheep Creek Seep and found no water and another spring marked on the topo that also had no water. After the dry springs the canyon opens up with less trees and more grassland that had some cairns assisting finding the trail.

About 3/4 mile down from there we made it to Round Spring area. The spring was dry but the drainage had plenty of water with light flow and the best water and pools of the hike. It seems like this area has water most of the year. We took a break at the pools and welcome shade as it was getting hot with the elevation here at 3800.

After the break we had a 250 foot climb up over a saddle and also passed the Sears Trail junction. Mostly grassland so it turned into a cairn hunt with remnants of old trail and a decent looking corral near the saddle. Once over the saddle we found some old trail tread that drops into the next drainage about 1000 foot descent. We were able to follow remnants of old trail in the grassland but it's faint at best. Knowing where the track is supposed to be was a big help and seemed pretty accurate most of the time.

Reaching the drainage it was getting hot and decided that there was not enough time to reach the end of Sheep Creek Trail so decided that 6.5 of the 8.5 miles of trail would have to do. Hiked back to camp the same way which took about 4 hours. Another night in the same camp which was relaxing this time no thunderstorms to deal with.

Next morning we hiked out back to Mormon Grove trailhead with the recon mostly complete. Good to see the area and know how much work is needed for the maintenance. Fingers crossed on the grant!!

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Round Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
the spring itself was dry but there was plenty of water in the drainage right next to the spring. Light flow with plenty of crystal clear pools

dry Sheep Creek - Upper SE Fork Dry Dry
no signs of water in the drainage or any spring

dry Sheep Creek Seep Dry Dry
could not find the spring or any signs of water in the drainage

dry Squaw Flat Spring Dry Dry
found the spring box but no water

dry Upper McFarland @ #88/95 Dry Dry
surprisingly no water at the junction. However, there was a small pool about 500 down the AZT from the junction
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Copper Camp from Mormon Grove, AZ 
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Decided to take advantage of decent weather and poke around the Copper Camp area again, this time from the East side. Took my Jeep up to Mormon Grove TH, which is borderline sedan-friendly right now.

Saddle Mountain trail is pretty uneventful, although it was nice seeing Potato Patch for the first time since I was a teenager. Looks a lot smaller now.

Things got really fun after getting near the apex on Copper Camp trail, with a couple of stretches of catclaw up there. Excellent views, however. The descent down to Copper Camp Creek was less painful than expected, although it was still pretty slow going since you have to spot cairns the whole way. There's still a surprising amount of tread left, although it's completely covered.

At the bottom, we kind of decided to just stick to the creek bed, to avoid brushy/thorny stuff. Once we hit the flowing stretch, the vegetation changed completely. Also we started seeing a ton of snakes, so we were just going way too slow to make the original goal of Sheep Creek.

Turned around about 4 hours in, and only took about 30 minutes longer to go the other direction. I love the Mazatzals.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Camp Creek @ Loading Corral Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Upper McFarland @ #88/95 Medium flow Medium flow
Water is actually flowing over the trail right now, which is more than I saw last fall. Flowing upstream a little ways along Sheep Creek trail.
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Peeley to Sheep Creek, AZ 
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Had some vacation time to use up before the end of the year, so I decided to try and tackle one of the loops in the Mazatzals. Decided on Sheep Creek / Davenport / Divide (should be 35-40 miles), figured that was pretty doable in two nights. Started off from Peeley TH in the clockwise direction, since I wanted to get the relative unknown stuff out of the way first.

The AZT portion was pretty uneventful, the last mile was new to me, didn't know about that excellent camping area at the Sheep Creek junction. All of the drainages had flowing water somewhere. The trail started getting a little bit more difficult to follow in the upper part of McFarland canyon, particularly through the burn scar. After the (currently unsigned) junction with Copper Camp trail, it starts to clear up, and is easy to follow all the way down to the bed of the Sheep Creek drainage. I really liked the big cypress stand along the divide.

The next couple miles was slow and painful. Trail was hard to find, and for some stretches I was just walking in the creek bed. After a half mile or so there was occasional flow. Lots of sycamore and pinyon in the upper part, and it gradually opens up into more desert and more catclaw as you go. It got pretty miserable there for awhile, and the trail is hard to spot through nearly waist-deep grass. Eventually I got to the Round Spring area, and found some sycamores and flowing water. It was getting to be 3:30pm at this point, so I decided this would be a good area to camp. Wandered about 5 minutes downstream from the trail, below where the two major forks converge, and there was pretty good flow down there, but no good campsites to be seen. Found a little clearing under a couple of sycamores (maybe a hardened campsite in ages past) and went with that.

Day 2:
I was looking at the map as I went to bed, and it looked like still ~10 miles to go till Chilson Camp, and then a 16+ mile hike out from there. I was kinda dreading doing a tough 10 mile day that was sure to offer more scrapes and cuts, just to follow it up with a long hike on the AZT, so I decided to pull the plug and just go back the way I came.

So, ate breakfast, packed up, and started back up Sheep Creek trail before 9am. The trail was actually easier to follow in the uphill direction; I think I managed to follow the tread almost the whole way. The only tricky part was finding where the trail leaves the drainage, which would be difficult without GPS. The climb up is steep, but clear of catclaw, so I don't know that I've ever been happier to lug a backpack up a steep grind.

The AZT section on the way back was actually quite warm, so I'm sure Davenport trail would've been even worse.

If I had a do-over, I'd definitely do this in the other direction, and knock out the Mazatzal Divide portion first. Oh well, still an enjoyable weekend, and water was not hard to come by, so really not a bad time to be out exploring that area.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Round Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Good flow for at least 100 yards.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Sheep Creek - Upper SE Fork Light flow Light flow
Mostly dry, but there are a handful of short stretches with light flow.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Sheep Creek Seep Quart per minute Quart per minute

dry Squaw Flat Spring Dry Dry
Couldn't find any flow in the vicinity of the spring, but the box is about a quarter full. Better spots to filter in McFarland Canyon both up and downstream from the spring.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Upper McFarland @ #88/95 Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Trickle in the creek, with a good pool to filter from.
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Saddle Mountain Loop, AZ 
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Had a go at Saddle Mountain from the Cross F Trailhead earlier in the year and returned for a shorter version of the loop starting at Peeley TH. Sort of a Cornucopia - Thicket Spring and Saddle Mountain Mine Tour Loops combo. Rested my hopes on the sycamores along 25A, and they ended up in the neighborhood of prime. Overall there was more fall color than expected. Got going not long after sunrise and went counterclockwise.

Cornucopia through Thicket Spring not too much fall color. Most of the oaks had dropped their leaves, but in McFarland Canyon near the Sheep Creek jct there was some yellow below the pines. Ascended Sheep Creek to Saddle Mountain Trail, which is my favorite of the bunch. It provides some of the best views of Pine Butte and the Peeley - Sheep ridgeline, and this time around I was surprised by the couple pockets of maples shining bright red.

Left the trail when it seemed the route up the ridge was clear enough. There are just about no good lines through the brush up Saddle Mountain for any sustained lengths. It's one of the rougher bushwhacks, or the roughest, compared to the other summits in that part of the Mazzies, but it is a short one. I think it's overall easier than North Peak, for instance, even if the going is slower. Great views all around but the pano is probably better from the tougher, shorter, southern summit.

Breaked in Potato Patch before setting off again down 91. Saw the only person of the day before heading down to the Sunflower Mine area, a lone backpacker who I thought might be hiking the AZT until I saw him when I was driving out around the 87/Ord turn off. The Mining road that connects 91 to 25A was maintained some this winter but is already in need of some more clearing. It is easy to follow, however.

Along the 25A to Cornucopia under the yellow sycamores. Water flowing down the whole way. No idea how or why anyone drives to the end. Up Cornucopia the leaves dulled as I climbed. Made it back to the TH and it was still empty.
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Peeley Road at peak, Thicket Spring leaves are gone, Saddle Mountain/Sheep Creek prime, 25a and Cornucopia few days past peak
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Saddle Mountain Trail to Squaw FlatPhoenix, AZ
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Turn L off the 87 opposite of Mt Ord. This road is paved, the next turn is a car friendly dirt road. The next 2 turns are on rocky roads not suitable for cars or crossovers. Got started a bit later than expected due to these roads.

Great temps for this Halloween outing. Saw no one on the trails 😎 Constant beautiful views through the 1st portion of this hike. The Ship Creek trail then travels downward steeply on uneven ground. Go right at the creek.

I briefly checked out trail 95 b4 returning to 88. After it winds u left, the trail begins to get seriously overgrown to where it is a major challenge. Unable to make it to the final jct. May attempt again next year. 👻
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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
1 area showed some great Fall colors.
 
Apr 17 2021
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 phoenix, az
Saddle Mountain - AZT #22Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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trekkin_geckoTriplogs 4,660
Backpack35.50 Miles 6,330 AEG
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john and i decided friday afternoon to do the up and back as a backpack/dayhike combo
got going around 0600 saturday morning on the access route to the azt
this was longer than we realized, having done little or no research ahead of time
relied totally on guthooks this trip, allowing me to leave my battery charger at home
usually follow on route scout, but it was actually kind of nice to not be conscious of each mile
the initial miles are not too exciting, but the trails were all in good condition and the scenery improved the further north we went
took a break along a creek a few miles in
nice riparian area and plenty of places to filter
up and around saddle mountain, which featured a nice level contour and easy hiking
some ups and down before dropping into mcfarland canyon around noon, where we set up camp and took a decent break
even had a cup of john's coffee
set out on the 9.4 mile dayhike portion
went along another lush area with plenty of good water where we filtered a liter
a final ascent to the passage end at the mazatzal divide trail
headed back and ran into three thru-hikers on the way to camp
nice to see what others are doing, what kind of gear they have and where they are from
had plenty of daylight this trip to have dinner and relax
we both wanted a chair and a book, but didn't want to carry the weight on a high elevation trip
up at first light, got going around 0645
uneventful trip back, but good scenery and we passed a few more day hikers, one thru-hiker, and one bikepacker
chatted with a thru-hiker at the trailhead who relayed the challenge of passages 19-20
finished up before noon and were home an hour later
i really enjoyed this passage, especially getting on some new trails in the mazzies
good weather and great company, thanks lp!
a few little gear tweaks, as i always can use practice backpacking
our choices get more difficult logistically, and this was probably the last passage we will do as an out and back
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Apr 17 2021
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 chandler,az
Saddle Mountain - AZT #22Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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johnlpTriplogs 5,208
Backpack35.50 Miles 6,330 AEG
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Kelly and I have been talking about doing the Saddle Mountain AZT #22 hike since last fall. This AZT segment has pretty easy access close to the beeline hwy. Got started Saturday morning just after sunrise.
Initially hiked through rolling hills on our way north to higher elevations. Went through a nice riparian area with cottonwoods, sycamores, flowers, with a very light flow of water in a creek. Pushed on to McFarland Canyon where we set up camp in the pines then set off for the climb to the end of the segment near Mount Peeley.
The return to camp was cooled by a nice breeze and clouds. We even got a little rain. Spooked a large white tail buck. Watched him bound up a steep hillside.
Got back to camp before 5 PM. Ate dinner then ran out of things to do, so we listened to a podcast then hit the rack. First light came pretty early. Had breakfast in bed then packed up for the hike out. Kind of windy on the way back which was welcome as it warmed up. Easier hike out going mostly down hill. Finished up before noon.
This segment exceeded expectations. More water than we thought there would be. Very good scenery. Fun two days. Thanks Kelly. :)
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Feb 12 2021
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 Phoenix, AZ
Saddle Mountain Loop, AZ 
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Hiking21.02 Miles 4,256 AEG
Hiking21.02 Miles   7 Hrs   49 Mns   2.97 mph
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Was going to start from Mormon Grove, but I'd never done Little Saddle Mountain, and it didn't seem like it'd be too much to start from the Cross F TH.

LSM Trail is burned nearly the whole way to SM Trail. Trail is typical of AZT tread and in great shape. Views open up from Saddle Mountain Trail. Took that to Potato Patch and worked my way to about half way up.

Too many unknowns for the rest of the hike and was feeling tired. Significant bushwhack to get as far as I did, seemingly more of the same to gain the summit. Nothing too crazy. Going to head back in a week or two and try again from Peeley TH.

Down to Sheep Creek with a bushwhack around Story Mine. Not worth the effort. Lots of catclaw and manzanita and little reward. Down to McFarland Canyon where some pines were spared. Nice spot down there with an open mine adit right at the jct.

Thicket Spring and West Fork up, over, and down to Cornucopia. Then roads to 25a past Cornucopia Mine, National Mine, and Sunflower Mine. Took an old two track from the Sunflower processing area where nothing remains. It has been recently maintained since the snow melt and makes for good looping options.
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