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Mar 25 2025
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Mazatzal Loop, AZ 
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I've wanted to do this hike for over a year now and when the temperatures spiked in late March I took the opportunity to make my first foray into the Mazatzals. I had briefly discussed the route last year with @JacobEmerick but conveniently forgot that he advised to avoid Willow Spring Trail. Before this trip I thought I was a fairly good backpacker - I am, quite literally, a professional - but the Mazzies turned my 6-day 60-mile plan into a 7-day 100-mile monstrosity that had me questioning much more than just my backpacking skills.

AZT
Starting from Mormon Grove Trailhead I'm going to skip over the Arizona Trail portions of the route until things get fun later on. Everyone knows what the AZT is about. ~40 miles from Mormon Grove TH to where the AZT splits off from Red Hills Trail.

Red Hills
Both maps I had (Nat Geo & USGS Quads) show the intersection where the AZT breaks off from Red Hills nearly a mile off of where it actually is. Red Hills was my favorite trail of the trip. A diverse hike that goes through a pine canyon before breaking out into open red rock hills. Simple enough to follow with obvious tread and big cairns. There are 2 horse camps along Red Hills and I was surprised at how built up they were (barbed wire corrals, wooden awning structures, tools stashed) considering the Wilderness designation.

Midnight
The brush began over the first half of Midnight but nothing bad. About halfway along Midnight around Wet Bottom Creek is another horse camp and after that it quickly gets much tougher. The trail fades out and rises steeply up the side of a brush-choked canyon. A good taste of what is to come. There was strong evidence someone had recently took stock up Midnight and down Willow Spring even along Midnight Mesa (or vice versa) which impressed me greatly.

Willow Spring
I spent 45+ minutes looking for the Midnight / Willow Spring intersection to no avail. Midnight peters out and Willow Spring doesn't peter in on a thick brushy ridge. That being said you will have to spend as much time as it takes to find Willow Spring coming around the side of Midnight Mesa because that 4-inch wide path is the only viable way to contour around the buttress. This part was the only area I could follow Willow Spring because a step in any other direction would be falling down the side of the Mesa.

Willow Spring then goes along a knife-edge ridge that afforded the best views of the entire trip. Really stunning terrain way back deep in the Mazatzals. I lost the trail quite a bit on the way down to the Deadman/Willow Spring/Dutchman Grave intersection - there are big cairns but they're so enveloped by shrubs that you can't see them until right on top negating the usefulness.

Deadman / Willow Spring
I had hoped to find water and camp in this area around the intersection and Mountain Spring but was mostly disappointed in both. I spent at least 30 minutes in the creek bed area that Mountain Spring showed to be in on my maps with nary a trickle or hint of water. There were water pools farther down the creek bed that saved me and since I was cowboy camping I just laid down underneath a tree but didn't see much in the way of tent camping options in the vicinity.

In addition to the 30 minutes I spent poking around Mountain Spring I spent another 45 or so looking for the beginning of the Deadman Trail. There is an obvious track from the newly-signed intersection leading down to those aforementioned pools but then nothing at all up or down or across. That scared me off Deadman potentially being a touch bushwhack the entire route and I decided to change plans and not pursue Deadman. Instead I would go back up Willow Spring, take another shot at finding that Willow Spring/Midnight intersection and then follow Willow Spring across to the AZT so I could still get back to Mormon Grove TH. The devil I knew over the devil I didn't - or so I thought.

Willow Spring / Off-trail to Midnight & back
The Willow Spring devil got a lot worse. There isn't even a hint of trail east of the non-existent intersection. It is thick, thick bushwhacking up and down ridges. I was able to go maybe a half mile an hour and was quickly exhausting my water due to the very physically demanding terrain and brush.

I stood on top of a mountain along the Willow Spring "trail" - physically and mentally broken after almost 2 days now of gnarly bushwhacking - and saw some water in the creek bed far below. Looking at the map I figured I had about 4 more miles of Willow Spring before reaching the AZT. Based on the conditions and my pace so far I estimated that would take 6 hours if I had good luck, 8 hours with mild luck. I didn't want to consider no luck or bad luck scenarios besides briefly contemplating how difficult it would be for SAR to get me out of there if injured.

If I could make it down the mountain to the creek below it looked like I could follow it off-trail to reconnect with Midnight around where the trail crosses Wet Bottom Creek. So I did just that, bailing, knowing I would have nearly 50 miles of hiking to get back to my truck and only 1.25 planned days left to do it in. For once the thick brush and steep terrain worked in my favor getting several hundred vertical feet down the mountain to the creek because I could slowly fall into each tight layer of Manzanita then pull myself through the woody branches before slowly falling into the next layer and repeating all the way down.

That off-trail creek, which was unnamed on both my maps and which I named Fortune Creek, ended up being my favorite part of the trip. It had water, it didn't have brush, it was beautiful hiking down a canyon that turned a little slotty once or twice and it represented a change in my fortune which had been very poor for quite some time. I was able to easily follow Fortune Creek down to its confluence with Wet Bottom Creek and subsequently with the Midnight Trail. I actually had a tougher time following the "better" half of Midnight on the way out than I did on the way in but was eventually back to Red Hills then the AZT. I had to extend my trip an extra day to get out the way I came but met a nice thru-hiker who let me text my mom and gave me some water tabs to tide me over.

All in all it was a really humbling experience to hike deep into the Mazzies. Due to the off-trail brushy conditions, challenging terrain & high miles I've never left a trip more physically beat up than this one. But definitely worth it to explore a lesser-seen side of this rugged & scenic Wilderness.
 
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Saddle Mountain Mine Tour, AZ 
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A loop in the Mazatzal Wilderness with great weather, some nice trails and some not there trails. We parked near the intersection of FR25 & FR25A and hiked FR25 up to the Mormon Trailhead. Saddle Mtn trail, Sheep Creek trail, Thicket Spring trail & West Fork trail were all decent but the loop around Story Mine was completely overgrown. There was a section of the Story mine loop that someone trimmed but that was the only part worth the effort. We stopped and looked at a few prospects along the way and took in the views. The best stuff was along FR25A. FR25A is true 4x4 driving but it would be fun to go back and explore the various mines and side roads another day.
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Andy agreed to drive for this one because we weren’t sure of the condition of FR25, which turns out isn’t bad at all. Despite that, we opted to not drive in all the way to the Mormon Grove TH and instead park at a pullout camping area just past the junction with FR25A and get the climb up the road to Mormon Grove out of the way first thing.

One the way up FR25, we spotted one or two prospects. One had a faint trail that led partway to it and faded away quickly at a smaller prospect. The overgrowth made it hard to make anything out, which was just a filled in hole anyway. Also spotted a leftover leg from what looks like it might have been a half eaten rabbit, so it looks like signs of a mountain lion possibly.
From Mormon Grove TH we headed north on Saddle Mt Trail. At the junction with the Sheep Creek Trail, we made the unfortunate decision to try to check out the lasso loop trail to the Story Mine. The leader trail is in good shape, but once you’re on the lasso part, the trail is severely overgrown. It starts out with mostly manzanita, then the catclaw starts to pop up. Andy and Wally decided to bail once the catclaw appeared and headed straight up over the hill to the Story Mine. They said they found the mine and it wasn’t much to see. I stayed on the “trail” and fought my way through to where some maintenance was done and it became a highway again, which was maybe 0.2 of a mile. I have a track from 15 years ago when I hiked this area, and I hiked part of this but not what I did this day. At where the maintained part of the loop is, there is another road or trail that heads down the hill, I think to other mines. I remember that I could see it in the hill while on the loop, but it also looked pretty overgrown once I was next to it. I have no memory at all of hiking this 15 years ago, despite having the proof the GPS track on my computer.

After the Story Mine excursion, we continued north taking Sheep Creek, Thicket Spring and West Fork over to FR25A and then back to the car. From Thicket Spring to West Fork, I missed the turn because I turned too soon on what seemed to be an old alignment of the trail. It was a little overgrown, but not nearly as bad as the Story Mine trail. I was on the East Fork Trail soon enough and on my way.

The hike down FR25A seemed to be nicest part of the hike. It mainly follows a wash, so it was like hiking a normal trail even though it’s a very rough road. The trees had fall colors, and some parts were like slot canyons. There were also signs from the active mining days and some interesting mine shafts to explore. We saw one side by side that headed up a really steep road that branched off of 25A and a Jeep further down that was left idling while the owners walked their dog through the wash. On the last descent to FR25 I spotted a doe in the wash below and managed to get some good pictures.
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Chris invited me for this “tour de Mazzies”. I’ve never been on any of these trails, so this was all new to me.

The plan was to drive up to the Mormon Grove Trailhead and start up Saddle Mountain Trail. Driving in, after a wrong turn, Chris wisely suggested we park near the FS25 and FS25A and start the hike with 2 miles going up 25 to the trailhead rather than do that at the end of a 12 mile hike.

Chris designed the loop as - Saddle Mountain Trail to Sheep Creek Trail/Thicket Spring Trail/West Fork Trail and then down the canyon along the “road” 25A.

Saddle Mountain was a nice trail. Some decent views along a well maintained trail. It is part of the AZT and it showed. We decide to explore a small loop at the Story Mine before starting on Sheep Creek Trail. That turned into a pretty rough and overgrown bushwhack where the bushes actual whacked me (repeatedly).

The views along the top of the loop are more canyon than Mountain views. The highlight of the hike was the section along the “road” and the West Fork Sycamore Creek. We missed the colors by a couple weeks, but it was still nice. Very rough, too rough for most vehicles.

Making it back to the truck at the bottom of the hill was better than having to hike up that hill at the end for sure.

A good day in the Mazatals and it’s always nice to hike with Wally and Chris.
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Cornucopia West Fork Thicket Spring, AZ 
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With temps warming up yet not wishing for a long drive to cooler climes, we fell back on a favorite of Tracey 's which would be our second time this year.

The first, in March, was to be a quick out-and-back to the "blue van" along FR 25A as a birthday hike for Tracey's daughter, so technically we never reached Cornucopia Trail #86. Due to the large amount of water flow in the West Fork of Sycamore Creek at the time, it was not a 'quick' hike by any means, with each and every water crossing presenting a challenge. Only near the end did we dispense with attempting to stay dry and simply walking through the creek.

This trip, as usual we started the hike from a small pullout on FR 25A about a half-mile North of the FR 25/25A intersection. While it was a breeze with the Cherokee, with the previous and the current 4Runner it's a reasonable challenge to get that short distance without any damage due mostly to a deep, yet VERY narrow drainage crossing. It is a given that at least one part of the vehicle WILL scrape, so damage limitation relies on the correct approach. On this trip, the receiver hitch scraped going out, the chrome exhaust tip barely scratched on the return.
(I keep thinking some day I'll bring my pick-axe to chop out the 2' drop of the approach and be done with it.)

One might ask why we don't just hike the extra .5 mile each way and my response is always hits on these points... even on foot it's a rough and rocky up-hill half-mile, so not only do we begin on a smooth downhill part of FR 25A, but we use that extra mile to extend hike on the other end.

Enough about our chosen trailhead, let's get started!
Thankfully the water flow was much lower so we had no trouble making better time without the wet-shoe trade-off. It wasn't long before we reached what's left of the blue van and the South end of Cornucopia Trail #86.

Even though I had driven on many pretty rugged so-called roads with the Cherokee, it still amazes me how vehicles get around/over the large boulders along FR 25A (concurrent with the West Fork of Sycamore Creek) and continue on up FR 3721 and over to FR 201/201A. Sure it can be done, but at a high wear-and-tear cost... exactly why I sold the Cherokee.

Finally, we're on Cornucopia Trail #86 and it's obvious we will be dealing with overgrowth along the way. While it wasn't bad on Cornucopia, once on West Fork Trail #260 the vegetation has fully enclosed the trail. Not wishing to constantly push brush out of the way, Tracey asked for my brush trimmers. Sorry, I didn't expect to be doing trail maintenance today, so I only had my usual hand clippers. With two trekking poles I continued by using them to keep the brush off my face, while she began trimming the worst offenders it wasn't long before she gave up. But it was soon moot as the trail opened up as we climbed.

At the Thicket Spring Trail #95 junction we had a decision to make, head North or South? Just over a year ago we did the Cornucopia/Thicket Spring loop so that direction has been covered. So, not having been on Thicket Spring Trail as far South as Sheep Creek Trail in a full dozen years, it became the default choice.

While it followed the bottom of the drainage the trail was easy-going but once it rose up to follow the contour it wasn't long before I knew reaching Sheep Creek Trail was not going to happen today. With the constant angle of the tread (higher on the right than left) my right hip was soon protesting loudly. I've been able to tough it out with the burning from the right hip in the past (Reynolds 10 days ago) but when the electric-shock nerve pain joined in and I realized I was losing focus on the trail it was time to head back.

With the tread angle in the other direction the nerve pain was soon gone and while the hip protest had eased, it would hang around in the background until our lunch break.

The return trip along Thicket Spring, West Fork and Cornucopia trails went by so quickly we were almost back to the intersection of FR 25A/FR 3722 before realizing it was time to look for a spot to stop for lunch. There it is... a rock for each of us to sit on, adjacent to a babbling brook, in the shade with a light breeze, limiting the annoying insects.

During our 20 minute break, I couldn't help but look up across the creek to the vicinity of the Cornucopia Mine. Of all the trips out here over a dozen years, being up above the creek I had never actually attempted to visit the mine itself, so will this be the day? Now refreshed and energized I'm feeling like checking it out. Tracey seemed in agreement when I voiced the idea, so let's do it!

It was easy enough to climb 20' through light brush to reach the old track to the mine, which we followed through thicker brush until dead-ending at a narrow box-canyon. Was this the mine? We were within a few hundred feet of the adit marked on the map, so I was sure it was part of the Cornucopia complex. Heading back toward the creek, I couldn't help but think of attempting to reach the actual marked adit to put this idea to bed once-and-for-all.

The only problem was instead of back-tracking to the more level part of the old mine track, I went for the straight line. Big mistake? ALMOST! It felt like I wasted 10 minutes to climb barely 25' up to the track, with an avalanche of dirt bringing me back down at every step. It was too steep for my trekking poles to do any good so it was down to grabbing onto whatever was close at hand...
A rock? Nope, it just pulled out of the ground while I slid back down 5 feet.
A small bush? Nope, it's cat's-claw.
Around a tree? I wanted to but could not wrap an arm far enough around to get a grip.
Back to the cat's-claw it is, and by CAREFULLY grabbing it at the base I was able to pull myself up.
)I wouldn't realize it until hours later but I chewed up my right shin enough that I was surprised I hadn't torn through my pant leg.)
Ok, i'm finally back up to the old track, now what? I pushed through plenty of thorny brush in the direction of the adit until another dead end. Nothing much to see... is that all there is? Whatever, I've burned every bit of energy I gained from my lunch so I'm done here. Instead of dropping down the loose slope I had crawled up, I went back to the box canyon before taking the easy (less hard) way back down.

While I was making the rough climb, Tracey was waiting patiently for me to fall, simply give up or encounter something worthy of the effort. It wasn't the first or last so I guess I just gave up.
Once back home, after taking a closer look at various maps it appears I was still 100' feet away from the marked adit. Comparing the map topo lines with the terrain at the spot I reached, as well as taking a look on Satellite view I'm not so sure if I reached to end of the complex or not.
So... was I CLOSE, but no cigar? Or is that all there is?
Either way, will I attempt to reach the 'exact marked spot' wherever it is? Or just let-it-go?
I guess we'll just have to see if/when I'm back out here again.

After my find the mine fiasco the hike back along the creek/FR 25A was a breeze.

While I felt fine while biking yesterday, now feeling the results of my flailing a few days later I'm taking this as a recovery day. But no worries, the abrasions and aching joints were worth the effort, a failure as it may have been. As they say, but did you die? Nope, so it's all good.
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Had the opportunity to knock off another passage on the AZT, which means I'm officially halfway done... Was worried about heat with a 10:30am start, but there was a breeze in the open areas, and occasional cloud cover, so it turned out not to be too bad (and at times, borderline chilly). The first 4-5 miles were kinda meh; everything between Lone Pine Saddle and Cross F is probably one-and-done for me. After Cross F, the climb up the canyon (can't find a name for this creek on the maps) was nice, and there was intermittent water, which I used to douse myself a couple of times. In the upper part of the canyon, I had to squeeze by a couple of horses; apparently one of them had fallen off the trail and slid a ways, but was unharmed. I told owners of said horse that I hoped the rest of their day goes much better.

Once up to the Mormon Grove turn, it was back to familiar territory. I love the views up there. Took a 15 minute or so break at McFarland, where the water was clear, cool, and tasty. One of my favorite spots in the Mazatzals.

The last couple of climbs got a little old. It's obvious motorcyclists have been using the trail between Cornucopia and Peeley, and they've even been kind enough to start cutting a switchback or two. Hopefully the FS is on it, but I doubt it.

Almost a mile from Peeley TH, I ran into my friends, who had a beverage for me. That was a nice surprise. Hung out at the TH for an hour or so, where the gnats were insane and it actually started getting nice and cool.
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Peeley to Sheep Creek, AZ 
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Had some vacation time to use up before the end of the year, so I decided to try and tackle one of the loops in the Mazatzals. Decided on Sheep Creek / Davenport / Divide (should be 35-40 miles), figured that was pretty doable in two nights. Started off from Peeley TH in the clockwise direction, since I wanted to get the relative unknown stuff out of the way first.

The AZT portion was pretty uneventful, the last mile was new to me, didn't know about that excellent camping area at the Sheep Creek junction. All of the drainages had flowing water somewhere. The trail started getting a little bit more difficult to follow in the upper part of McFarland canyon, particularly through the burn scar. After the (currently unsigned) junction with Copper Camp trail, it starts to clear up, and is easy to follow all the way down to the bed of the Sheep Creek drainage. I really liked the big cypress stand along the divide.

The next couple miles was slow and painful. Trail was hard to find, and for some stretches I was just walking in the creek bed. After a half mile or so there was occasional flow. Lots of sycamore and pinyon in the upper part, and it gradually opens up into more desert and more catclaw as you go. It got pretty miserable there for awhile, and the trail is hard to spot through nearly waist-deep grass. Eventually I got to the Round Spring area, and found some sycamores and flowing water. It was getting to be 3:30pm at this point, so I decided this would be a good area to camp. Wandered about 5 minutes downstream from the trail, below where the two major forks converge, and there was pretty good flow down there, but no good campsites to be seen. Found a little clearing under a couple of sycamores (maybe a hardened campsite in ages past) and went with that.

Day 2:
I was looking at the map as I went to bed, and it looked like still ~10 miles to go till Chilson Camp, and then a 16+ mile hike out from there. I was kinda dreading doing a tough 10 mile day that was sure to offer more scrapes and cuts, just to follow it up with a long hike on the AZT, so I decided to pull the plug and just go back the way I came.

So, ate breakfast, packed up, and started back up Sheep Creek trail before 9am. The trail was actually easier to follow in the uphill direction; I think I managed to follow the tread almost the whole way. The only tricky part was finding where the trail leaves the drainage, which would be difficult without GPS. The climb up is steep, but clear of catclaw, so I don't know that I've ever been happier to lug a backpack up a steep grind.

The AZT section on the way back was actually quite warm, so I'm sure Davenport trail would've been even worse.

If I had a do-over, I'd definitely do this in the other direction, and knock out the Mazatzal Divide portion first. Oh well, still an enjoyable weekend, and water was not hard to come by, so really not a bad time to be out exploring that area.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Round Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Good flow for at least 100 yards.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Sheep Creek - Upper SE Fork Light flow Light flow
Mostly dry, but there are a handful of short stretches with light flow.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Sheep Creek Seep Quart per minute Quart per minute

dry Squaw Flat Spring Dry Dry
Couldn't find any flow in the vicinity of the spring, but the box is about a quarter full. Better spots to filter in McFarland Canyon both up and downstream from the spring.

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Trickle in the creek, with a good pool to filter from.
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I met up with Kyle and John for a nice little fall stroll through the Mazzies. We thought about the Thicket Spring Loop, but opted for the longer out and back option, as I had remembered the trail being pretty overgrown the last time I hiked it, although in hindsight it appears to have been reported clear summer of 2020.

We did not see anyone on the trail all day, but there was a hunter's camp in McFarland Canyon where we turned around. We basically out and backed the bottom leg of the Thicket Spring Loop, with a trip into McFarland to the nice camping spot. The fall colors were nice enough to get your attention, but I am sure they could get a little better. There was water and even lightly flowing water in nearly every drainage we hiked along. All of the trails we hiked were in great shape with minimal overgrowth from the summer rains in spots and only a few downed trees across the trail. The conditions and temps were nearly perfect.
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Was going to start from Mormon Grove, but I'd never done Little Saddle Mountain, and it didn't seem like it'd be too much to start from the Cross F TH.

LSM Trail is burned nearly the whole way to SM Trail. Trail is typical of AZT tread and in great shape. Views open up from Saddle Mountain Trail. Took that to Potato Patch and worked my way to about half way up.

Too many unknowns for the rest of the hike and was feeling tired. Significant bushwhack to get as far as I did, seemingly more of the same to gain the summit. Nothing too crazy. Going to head back in a week or two and try again from Peeley TH.

Down to Sheep Creek with a bushwhack around Story Mine. Not worth the effort. Lots of catclaw and manzanita and little reward. Down to McFarland Canyon where some pines were spared. Nice spot down there with an open mine adit right at the jct.

Thicket Spring and West Fork up, over, and down to Cornucopia. Then roads to 25a past Cornucopia Mine, National Mine, and Sunflower Mine. Took an old two track from the Sunflower processing area where nothing remains. It has been recently maintained since the snow melt and makes for good looping options.
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Birthday run for a friend who had never run in the Mazatzals. Decided to start at Mount Peeley TH, and I suggested the 7ish mile Cornucopia/Thicket lollipop. I had run down Cornucopia a few years back as part of an 18 mile fun run, but haven't been south of Peeley since. Stopped at Thicket Spring, and was surprised to find water. Guess last weekend's storm was enough, or it's fairly reliable.

Headed down to the bus for a bit, then back up via W Fork Trail. Thicket Spring trail is pretty overgrown these days, and it's easy to see why this is no longer the AZT alignment. Not as scenic as Cornucopia, although the last half mile or so wasn't bad.

Didn't see anyone else out there until about a half mile from the TH, when we saw another runner we happened to know...she was flagging the turns for this year's fun run, which as it turns out, would be the next morning.

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Oct 27 2018
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66 male
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 Mesa,AZ
Saddle Thicket Loop, AZ 
Saddle Thicket Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 27 2018
hikerdwTriplogs 541
Hiking11.53 Miles 2,067 AEG
Hiking11.53 Miles   4 Hrs   52 Mns   2.87 mph
2,067 ft AEG      51 Mns Break
 
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Saw this loop posted by @mazatzal so headed off to give it a try. Parked at the 25/25A junction and hiked up to the Mormon Grove TH which worked out good since the trail head was maxed out, hunters I assume. From there we hiked Saddle Mountain, Thicket Spring, West Fork, and then back to the trail head via what remains of 25A. FR25 was in typical condition, weather was perfect, and the hiking was great. Meet a thru-hiker, El Matador, on the Saddle Mountain Trail. This was his third time hiking the AZ Trail and was attempting a speed record. He left the Utah border 10 days prior so we figure he was averaging a good 40 miles a day. Wished him luck as we parted ways. Great time in the Mazzies.

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Oct 21 2018
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Mazatzal Loop, AZ 
Mazatzal Loop, AZ
 
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John9LTriplogs 1,647
Hiking12.20 Miles 2,917 AEG
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1st trip
Headed out in to the Mazzies with Kyle & Chumley in search of fall color. We started from the Peeley TH and headed in with a steady pace. We dropped into and out of canyons as we headed for Squaw Flat. There was some nice color in a few sections but nothing mind blowing. Squaw Flat would have been stunning before the Willow Fire. From there we headed back and opted for a loop taking us over to the Cornocopia Trail. It’s really nice going and most of these trails are in really good condition. We eventually turned back to the north and headed back to the TH. It was nice getting back into the Mazzies and fun to hike with Kyle & Chumley again.
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Oct 21 2018
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 Joined Mar 28 2008
 Phoenix, AZ
Cornucopia - Thicket Spring LoopPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Oct 21 2018
Tough_BootsTriplogs 755
Hiking11.03 Miles 2,657 AEG
Hiking11.03 Miles   5 Hrs   51 Mns   2.09 mph
2,657 ft AEG      35 Mns Break
 
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Perfect weather-- a bit of a lasso hike heading out to Squaw Flat Spring and back around.
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Oct 21 2018
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 Tempe, AZ
Thicketopia, AZ 
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chumleyTriplogs 1,993
Hiking12.20 Miles 2,917 AEG
Hiking12.20 Miles   5 Hrs   37 Mns   2.42 mph
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1st trip
Kyle came up with this one and I'd never done the loop so I thought it would be fun. We headed down from the loop to McFarland and then ventured a mile or so into @jacobemerick -land. I wanted to check out Squaw Flat. This trail has suffered flooding and deadfall, plus standard mazzy overgrowth. Fun stuff. I should come back and go further.

I found cairns at the Sheep Copper Camp junction, but no nice signs. Apparently the AZT folks are a little snobby and if it's not 6-feet wide and brush free, it's not a trail for them! Related note, nice game cam (not sure what it's trying to capture) and a brand new wilderness sign.

Ran into a guy doing a Pine to Roosevelt hike and he was happy to report that there's water everywhere. All the guthooks water sources were reliable and at least 2-3 more water sources between every one marked in the app. So now's definitely a nice time to venture into the desert!

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Springbox was dry. No sign of source. But plenty of water flowing in the creek.

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Flow could be measured in cfs!

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Plenty of clear water in the creek
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Mar 16 2018
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 Joined Nov 15 2005
 Jackson, CA
Saddle Mountain - AZT #22Phoenix, AZ
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toddakTriplogs 577
Hiking26.00 Miles 4,500 AEG
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NOBO to Peeley TH on very well maintained trails. Minimal water - saw small pools and slight trickle flows: 1) north of the Cross F trail junction, 2) McFarland Canyon 3) lower end of Cornucopia.

Exited down DC45. Intermittent / light water flow starts about a mile down from Peeley and persist nicely until near the canyon mouth. The first ~3 miles of trail have had some recent maintenance and are very pleasant, after that it's moderate thrash until you near the canyon mouth.
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Feb 01 2018
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 Joined Jul 28 2004
 Scottsdale, AZ
Cornucopia Trail #86Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
Hiking5.00 Miles 880 AEG
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A group of us went up to FR25A (Sycamore Creek) for tread and brushing work along West Fork trail #260 and Cornucopia trail #86 portions of AZT #22.

Weather was just about perfect, did not see anyone else.
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Feb 01 2018
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 Joined Jul 04 2016
 Phoenix, AZ
Saddle Mountain - AZT #22Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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tdwoodTriplogs 60
Volunteer4.50 Miles
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If there can be an upside to the dearth of precipitation in these parts, it's that it's allowing a lot of work to get done in areas that might otherwise go untended this time of year. This week, we spent time brushing and benching along two sections of trail. While there's still a bit of a short, steep climb north of the West Fork/Cornucopia junction, the tread is now wider and (for now) less slippery. Don't miss out on your chance to be a part of the fun! PM me or visit aztrail.org/volunteer to learn how to get involved.
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Oct 29 2017
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 Chandler, AZ
AZT #22 south from Peeley Trailhead, AZ 
AZT #22 south from Peeley Trailhead, AZ
 
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desertgirlTriplogs 451
Hiking9.86 Miles 1,753 AEG
Hiking9.86 Miles   6 Hrs   20 Mns   1.85 mph
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1st trip
:y: :y: Finally back on the trail after a long while and it showed :? This was a section I had completed before so it was good to experience the rerouted trail sections ( nice!) and interestingly this segment has the 1/2 way point for the AZT -- so while not half done with the trail, I had the opportunity to cross the half-way point! GuRa dropping us of at the Peeley TH was great -- save us a long shuttle at the end of the hike - time was put to use on Mexican Food!

Lunch spot was a sweet camping spot!

Heard some woodpeckers at work along the trail and saw a smattering of fall color in some of the drainages. Trail is in much nicer shape although there are a few sections that could use some brushing.
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Oct 29 2017
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 Phoenix, AZ
Saddle Mountain - AZT #22Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking9.86 Miles 1,753 AEG
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South from Peeley Trailhead: Our 6th day of hiking the AZT this year, sad but true. This one we owe a big thanks to GuRa for helping us with the shuttle which saved us from an even longer day. Saw John9L's jeep at Peeley TH. Ran into 3 other hikers for the day all at the beginning.

We started at Peeley, checked out Thicket Springs, hiked in and out of and through drainages and up and down hills, did some trail work, had a couple breaks and then hiked the last hill up to the old mining road which would eventually get us way back over to Mormon Grove TH. The trail is like heaven and hell as far as the tread and slipperiness (well not quite that dramatic but you know what I mean "wink"). There was water here and there too. And thankfully, even though it was a longer hike than expected and I had an issue, we all made it. So at least now we can string a few more segments together from 20 through 22. Ya I know, it's the two that skirt those sections that are gonna be tough for us.

We have big plans for next year but we'll see. Anyway, a good hike and despite obstacles we got this section done.

Videos: Part 1 from Peeley to what will be the 1/2 way point for the Arizona Trail [ youtube video ]
Part 2 from what will be the 1/2 way point for the Arizona Trail to the junction with Mormon Grove [ youtube video ]
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Jun 11 2017
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 Joined Dec 09 2014
 Gilbert, AZ
S Mazatzal Roundup, AZ 
S Mazatzal Roundup, AZ
 
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jacobemerickTriplogs 232
Hiking35.42 Miles 6,039 AEG
Hiking35.42 Miles   16 Hrs   14 Mns   2.62 mph
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1st trip
Wanted to knock out a gaggle of trails in the southern Mazatzal area. Most of them are AZT, so I figured a +30 mile day wouldn't be terrible. Today my feet disagree, but details.

Little Saddle Mountain #244
Did most of this trail lit by headlamp + full moon. Seemed pretty. Along the creek things got a little overgrown and it was hard to navigate in low light. Turned off headlamp at 4:30 and enjoyed the predawn views for the last mile.

Saddle Mountain #91
This trail is legit. Big views, well maintained, and minimal elevation gain. I cruised along this section when I wasn't drinking in the sights. I wanted to make the Story Mine loop at the end for completion sake and regretted it - as soon as the path leaves the AZT it is quickly swallowed up by catclaw. And I didn't even find the mine :(

Sheep Creek #88
Beautiful drop into McFarland. Bit steep, could see the south direction being painful. Headed to Squaw Flat Spring to complete this segment of the trail and was surprised at how easy the way was. Few deadfall, some overgrowth, clear tread. Still no water at the spring so I filtered up at a murky pool on the way back.

Thistle Spring #95 (Sheep Creek :next: West Fork)
Pleasant jaunt along McFarland and then a sudden twist and climb up a dry wash. Legs were starting to get angry here so that climb was not appreciated. There was a tripod set up at the West Fork junction that was weird.

West Fork #260
Short climb and long descent. It's a short one, so there's not much to say. Decent views. I tried to track where 25A came down into the canyon below to pass the time.

Cornucopia #86
Hot climb up a trickling creek. A few sections didn't have any burn damage, so I imagine that this is what the non-ponderosa pine forest areas looked like before 2004/2012 (depending on where in the Mazzies you're looking). Sporadic junipers, willows along the creek, and random tall pines. Could be wrong. Anyways, after the junction w/ Thistle Spring the trail got mean fast. Steady uphill over rolling rocks in full exposure to the sun. As soon as I tapped the Mazatzal Divide Trail sign I turned and fled back downhill to the shade.

Thistle Spring #95 (Cornucopia :next: West Fork)
Tough climbs with well-earned views on top. Lost the trail on the second (shorter) climb and meandered around until I could pick it back up. This trail is definitely getting thick, probably because the AZT skips past it now, but being able to see (Little Saddle Mountain?) and Saddle Mountain to the south and Sheep / Peeley ridge to the north from one spot was pretty awesome. Fast drop back to West Fork where I found the tripod waiting - glad it didn't go War-of-the-Worlds or anything.

West Fork #260
Again? Same as last time, only hotter. Filtered some water at the bottom for a late lunch break.

25A to Cross F Trailhead
For a road walk / connector this was pretty nice. There is a well-defined trail connecting the West Fork / Cornucopia junction south to the end of the road, and then the road jumps in and out and back and forth across West Fork Sycamore Creek. A smell of diesel hung in the air but I didn't see or hear any vehicles along the way. Most of it was shaded and a breeze was starting to kick up and rustle the hot air. Connecting to N Beeline was annoying, as the old track is gated off as private, so I just jumped into the creek and hung out with some cattle before climbing back out north of the trailhead.

Sunflower #344
A quick water refill and shirt change and it was back up on Little Saddle Mountain to connect to Sunflower. LSM was pretty in the light, partly shaded and dancing along the edge of the creek. Turning onto Sunflower meant a quick drop and climb, going under some powerlines, and then miles of rocky two-track. Closer to Sunflower the path breaks off on its own and swings towards Diamond Mountain before going under N Beeline. But it's not done yet - another half mile of AZT, a quick crossing of the Sycamore, and then a dusty haul up to Bushnell before this trail is completed.

N Beeline to Cross F Trailhead
The tumble down from Bushnell parking back to Sycamore was graceless but got me back on N Beeline without playing frogger on AZ-87. Whole herd of deer was near the bottom of the bridge, unperturbed by the traffic overhead yet terrified of me. Paved roadwalk was about as fun as paved roadwalks can get. No traffic, as the sun was setting by now, and I returned to the trailhead before eight.

Mazatzal Miles: 129.8/275 (47%)

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Hot. Drank 3 gallons of water (~half mixed w/ electrolytes) and 2 frozen powerades (for good luck). Forecast promised 85ish, thermometer claimed 95+.
Not a single person on the trails today. Well, there were some vehicles at Cross F when I stopped back in the afternoon, but didn't see any people on the trail. Only one driver was spotted from a distance. Quiet day in the Mazzies for such accessible trails.
Distance wasn't that big of a deal, though I need some better insoles to deal with the darn rocks.
Really need to start looking to the west/north. There's a lot of trails up there (Verde/Wet Bottom/Red Hills) that I haven't touched yet :(


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Dry at spring. Water can be found downstream along Cornucopia Trail.

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