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Day two n the Pinalenos. Drove to Riggs Lake to get started. Hiked around the lake then up to Clark Peak. Nice hiking and views.
We then drove to do the Cunningham Loop. We didn't realize a big chunk had gone unmaintained since the fire. We took the path of least resistance and completed a nice loop anyway.
Next up was Webb Peak. Finally, after hanging out in camp a few hours, we headed out to the infamous ice caves. We found a few caves, lost a phone for a bit, and made it back in one piece. Big day! :)
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day two in the pinalenos
coffee and breakfast, then we drove up to riggs lake
bruce had a loop that took off from the west side of riggs flat lake, then some off trail and forest service roads to clark peak trail
a little brushy but not the locust fest we were warned about
decent views from the peak
returned to the east side of the lake via forest service roads
next up was cunningham loop
we started off counterclockwise on the loop, which was along an old roadbed
at two miles, we found that the connection with the southeast loop was pretty much obliterated
one climb to a higher roadbed as we finished the western portion of the loop
nice hike with good views below
lots of slash piles, some right on the trail
had plenty of time to do the webb peak loop
the tower is still there, but just the steel framework remains of the lookout
finished via the road
a stop at the visitor center, then hung out at camp for awhile
late afternoon trip to try and find the ice caves
we found one that john and i had been to eight years ago, then scrambled around the hillside looking for more
noticed i no longer had my phone in my pocket, which was a bit stressful
bruce was able to call my phone, and we could hear it as i retraced the route i had taken
found it sitting on top of a boulder, thank goodness
backpacker meals for dinner and another fire made for a nice evening
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Riggs Lakeshore Trail #340

We started our day around 7:30 a.m. at Riggs Lake. It was my first time there, and it’s a pretty little lake. There were a few fishermen and kids wandering from their campsites, beginning to stir for the day. Heading clockwise, we followed a use trail to a two-track road and ultimately reached the Clarke Peak Trailhead.

Clark Peak

John's girlfriend Denise at the Columbine Visitor Center had warned us that this trail was terribly overgrown with locust trees and not worth hiking. However, we weren’t in the listening mood and decided to give it a try anyway. The rumors of locusts were highly exaggerated. John and Kelly both hiked in shorts and short sleeves with little to no bloodshed. The trail is tight in spots, and there are multiple paths heading up the mountain. This is a worthwhile trail to explore when in the Riggs Lake area.

CP Flat Loop

This loop is located entirely on the far western section of the Swift Trail and 4x4 road. It’s mainly wooded, with some impressive views along the Swift.

Cunningham Loop Trail #316

Next up was the official loop found here. Starting from the Cunningham Campground parking lot, we made our way around counterclockwise to the intersection with the "Lower" portion of the loop. Evidence of the fire was abundant, but not everything had been torched. A significant amount of work has been done to open this portion of the loop. There are literally hundreds of slash piles stacked along sections of the trail. At about the 2-mile mark, we reached the intersection with the "Lower" Trail. Things changed quickly; this section is a warzone. We aborted our attempt there and opted to complete just the "Upper" portion. Later, while talking with a volunteer at the visitor center, we learned that the lower portion was severely damaged by the Frye Fire and may never be rebuilt.

Webb Peak Loop via Columbine TH

Since we had some extra time, we decided to do this loop. Starting from the Columbine Trailhead, we headed uphill through the burn area and the now 2-foot tall aspen. The fire tower still stands but is charred. We continued down the lookout road and back to the parking area, where John made another new friend. He thought he’d have her eating out of his hand with his sweet-talking, but she had no part of it.

Ice Cave

We returned to camp for a bit, had some lunch, relaxed, and then set out in search of the "Ice Cave."

It was just a short walk from our campsite. Kelly had a waypoint, and I had a waypoint from an online search, so we wandered about looking for other possibilities. We found three potential sites.

The first was easy to find, just about 50 feet into the mountain, but I didn't think it was the right one.

The second one, John descended into a bit before the bats chased him out. This cave dropped straight down pretty steeply, and I ultimately believe this is the one we were looking for.

The third cave was a bit more adventurous to reach. Kelly, John, and I took two different routes through the boulder fields, searching for possibilities. I found one that you could enter, which contained at least one large room measuring approximately 20 by 20 feet.

While Kelly was making her way over to us through the mass of boulders, we heard a “Oh Schmidt!” (or something like that). She’d lost her phone somewhere, and it could have been anywhere, including 50 feet straight down among the boulders. John tried calling it, but we heard nothing. We all worked our way back to where she’d come from. I tried calling it, and BINGO—we heard it! She was lucky to find it sitting right on top of a rock.
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Hardest hit area of the 2017 Frye Fire was the entire Webb Peak area.
95 percent tree mortality including the 1933 fire lookout tower.
After 6 years the outer trail has recently been redone all the way to the top.

We headed up to check it out parking at Columbine Corrals.
Hike - Down Ash Creek Trail :next: Up Webb Peak from Ash Creek :next: Lunch break under the lookout tower :next: Down Webb Peak Trail #345 to Columbine to complete the loop.
Basically you now hike through a 6 year old total burn area covered in dead grey pines with 6-20 foot aspens covering almost the entire forest floor. There were also ferns, wildflowers and a few green pines here and there. Kind of a surreal sight to see it like this, but wow ... this is going to be one hell of a great aspen forest in the coming years!
All the Webb trails are in great condition now, Ash Creek Trail below the T is a total disaster.

After our loop we drove back down the Swift Trail for a short hike up High Peak road to the old bottle dump I dug a few days earlier. Had an extra person to help me haul down some more of the cool bottles I uncovered. These old bottles will decorate our cactus gardens.

Webb Peak now looks completely different from all my younger days of hiking the area, but there is a new mysterious beauty to these burn areas that is starting to grow on me.

Happy to see this loop again and happy to see it with the person I hiked it with just before the fire.
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Trail was worked by AZ Healthy Forest Initiative Crews during mid July 2023. All dead fall should be out and trail has been benched with in most places a 3ft wide tread and 6 foot wide brush corridor. As this was a severe burn area the possibility for blow downs to occur remains high. While the trail is open and in it's best condition in years this is a remote area with primitive conditions and little use. Go prepared, Use caution. Ash Creek trail is not formally maintained below the Webb Pk 345 intersection. Interested in trail work or info on Mt Graham Trails? Please see my contact details in my signature line.
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After setting up at the delightfully half-empty Soldier Creek Campground on a holiday weekend we had daylight left to make the quick trip up to Webb Peak. It's my second visit since it was incinerated, and I'm a bit surprised the FS continues to let the tower stand. The trail up from the Ash Creek TH / Corrals Campsite has gotten some attention since the fire, but it's an ongoing project with falling trees a near-constant.

Nonetheless, many of the aspens are reaching 10-12 feet now, and by 2030 this might be a lovely shaded hike once again. As it is now, it's still enjoyable, even if just a memory of of its former self.
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Great short hike to start off the holiday weekend. Shortly after getting camp setup we started up the Webb Peak Trail. It was nearing sunset by the time we reached the peak and tower but that was perfect for sunset views. The tower is not in use anymore but still standing tall regardless so we had great views.

After checking out the tower it was back down the trail as it was getting dark. This area had experienced a serious burn but it was nice to see that the aspens were coming back strong all along the trail!
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Started with a stop at the Columbine visitor center for a visit with our friend.
The hike - Columbine up to Webb Peak :next: a bit down Chesley Flat (lost the trail) :next: down to Solider Creek :next: Swift Trail back to Columbine.
Lots of burn area, but with a very lush green forest floor and many wildflowers adding color.
Nice breezy temps up high, a few dark clouds above with a few sprinkles here and there.
3 turkeys and one white-tail spotted.
Fun hike with a fun friend!
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Decided to do a little stroll on my way down from the mountains. One of my shoes has developed a hole in the upper so big that I got a branch wedged under my foot yesterday, so I figured I may as well just do this one in sandals.

First part is nice, then you enter the burn scar, which is on its way to being nice again. New aspens are already 10+ feet tall in the flat area.

Trail is easy to follow the whole way, not too much deadfall. The summit view is good, but might be better if you can get up onto the tower.

Originally planned on doing the loop around down to Ash Creek trail, but ~30 feet into the southbound stretch it seemed to receive far less maintenance than the part up the mountain, and I thought unmaintained trail through a burn scar would not necessarily be ideal in sandals.
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The last hike for the day was to Webb Peak then down what I guess is the Blair Ash Ridge Trail but instead of going all the way down Blair Ash Ridge I took a connector trail to Ash Creek. I took Ash Creek back to the Starting point. The Webb Peak Trail #345 was in good condition, the best trail I have seen all day. Good views from the Webb Peak tower in all directions.

From Webb Peak I continued down Blair Ash Ridge for about a mile where I headed south toward the Ash Creek Trail. Much of the first mile along the ridge follows an old logging road but is heavily overgrown and in places hard to locate the trail. In places the trail shows up nicely then it would just disappear. The last half mile of this section is easier to follow because the old road is more obvious. Not much to see along this section but it didn't matter as I was pretty occupied with trail finding. At 1 mile in I took another old logging road toward Ash Creek. This trail was easy to follow but lots of dead fall along the way. Once in Ash Creek the trail is very hard to locate. I did notice red ribbons tied to various things and it didn't take long to realize these were trail markers. These ribbons were real time savers because even though there wasn't much of a trail in many places it would eventually lead to a recognizable trail. They also indicated where the trail crossed the stream. This trail eventually leaves Ash Creek and heads up to the Trail Head at Columbine Campground. Needed to watch for these ribbons along this stretch because it is really overgrown and the trail almost non existent or hidden under brush.

This is a nice loop Trail with a little bit of elevation gain, a little path finding skills and a peak with great views. Probably the best and closest view of the Telescope and Mount Graham. Temperatures were in the upper 60sso it was perfect hiking weather.
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Decided to explore some more in the Pinalenos. Sorry, no dashcam video or facebook-esque personal drama about not hiking :sweat: .

Skipped this one last fall after checking out the damage in Ash Creek. I opted to climb via the old road from Soldier Creek figuring it would be easier to attempt to find the single-track while descending on the way back. Turned out to be a good plan. I wouldn't recommend trying to go up from either end of the 345 trail right now. And descending the north half will make you fight to find the way up Ash Creek, which I also don't recommend. In a couple of years, I expect they will clear these trails, but for now, it's work to find the tread.

I didn't remember if the tower was still standing or if they had taken it down after it had been hit by fire. So I was pleased to see the metal remains, though all the wood has burned out, including the floor of the cab. All the windows had blown out from the heat, and the area around the tower was strewn with broken glass.

A clap of thunder signaled my time to leave, and the adventure of route-finding on the way back to the Ash Creek TH began. It's not impossible, but takes a steady eye. The regrowth of aspens is really the issue now, as the tread is usually findable somewhere under there. The growth is generally 3-4 feet high. Of course you have to keep your ears tuned to cracking wood as the standing trees are falling by the day. Windy weather here is not your friend right now.

Finally at the bottom, I looped back to my truck. The trailhead area is open again, and FS is collecting fees for camping there.

Big changes from pre-fire, but still a pleasant quick loop, if you don't mind a little puzzle on your hikes.
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My final trip up to the top of Graham to survey the damage left from the Frye Fire before the November 15th winter closure. I met up with Preston and together we headed up the mountain as we have done so many times before. Plan was to survey as many sites as we could and also get in a hike at the end of the Swift Trail. We drove the entire road to it's end and this is what we saw & know .....

We first stopped on the way up for a quick trek up "secret canyon" for some fall colors, looked good and is only gonna get better. A return trip up will be made soon.
Second stop up was made at Ladybug Saddle to show Preston where & how I dislocated my shoulder last week, I was in need of some sympathy.
Then around to the backside/top and into the burn -

Snow Flat - Road down to the CG hit with med intensity burn, campground unaffected and beautiful.
Treasure Park CG - Road down med burn, meadow and CG mostly unaffected and beautiful, the "back" CG hit hard and now gated with "forest closed" sign.
Cunningham CG - Intact, but high burn all around CG. The trail-head for Grant Creek & Moonshine has "closed forest" sign. We could see golden aspens down in Moonshine and a later overlook view showed that lower Grant Creek from Ft Grant TH was unaffected, the upper trail has burned. At Cunningham we talked with a high up Forest Service employee who gave up permission to hike a bit into Ash Creek for a look a little further up the road.
Soldier Creek CG - One of my favorites and I was very happy to see an intact CG with minimal burn around it. The Grant Goudy Ridge (and Ice Caves) TH is open with the standard "caution burn area" sign.
Deadman-Highline Trail - The feel good story of the day! We drove down Bible Camp road to see if the trail-head sign that Preston made and posted back in 2010 made it through the fire. We hiked a bit up the trail through a hard hit area to find burn all-around the perfectly intact sign! It damn near brought a manly tear to my eye to see Preston's joy that it made it through -
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Columbine Corrals CG - From the happiest part of the day to the saddest. We parked at Columbine visitor center and hiked in across the road to the corrals. This whole area is closed including Webb Peak & Ash Creek due to high intensity burn. As stated earlier we had permission to hike a bit in. We took the trail just to where the switchbacks start down and that's about as far as you can go. Of all my trips up since the re-opening, this one punched me in the chest the hardest. I just could not believe I was looking down Ash Creek Canyon ..... black sticks as far as I could see down and on both sides of the canyon. We were told by Forest Service earlier at Cunningham that a decision was made to close and not work on Ash Creek & Frye Mesa Trail (where the fire started) for at least the next 3 years. Webb Peak is also black sticks, but was told that a loop may be re-opened next year.
Riggs Flat Lake - After Ash Creek we continued down the road through much more burn until finally reaching Riggs where the west end of the fire came to an end. We drove down to the lake that does have some minimal burn down, then through the campgrounds & ended with a nice hike around the lake on the Lakeshore Trail. Riggs Lake area for the most part was unaffected by the fire. Merrill Peak was hit on top and I'm sure the backside was too. There is a "burn" sign posted for the Jesus Babcock Trail behind the campground.
CP Flat - Finally on to the end of the road to hike CP Flat. A very needed break from fire damage with an autumn walk through Letty's Grove. I knew we were late for the golden aspen leaves up high, but just as beautiful hiking on the golden leaf road!
Blair Canyon - On the drive back out we stopped at Chesley Flat to see how Blair Canyon fared and as expected ..... not well. High burn and I'm sure Chesley Flat to Webb Peak looks the same.
Quick last stop at the Shake Trail to show Preston the red slurry covered trees at the start of the trail, this entire trail survived and is one of the very few left unaffected.

Our trip ended on the straightaway where Preston dropped me off at my truck, we said our good-bye's & I drove home still processing what I saw on top.

I have now seen the entire top of Graham and have a good understanding to the condition of the majority of the forest & trails. As stated in other logs - I am still shook, bitter & angry over this fire. The damage is much worse then I ever expected. There is still a lot of green up there and I have found a few places that still holds some un-burned beauty that will keep me looking for more. I have spent my entire life going up that mountain and this will take many years to come to peace with ..... I just hope someday I will get there.
I understand that most don't want to read about others personal hardships as I honestly don't like reading them myself. What has happened has happened and I cannot change it only move on - This will be my last log about the Frye Fire of 2017!

To close I just want to thank Preston for taking me up the mountain to view the destruction with me. Seeing it with a good friend made it more bearable. There will be many more great trips up & around Ole' Graham my friend!!!
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Met up with Chad bright and early after another all-nighter working at the telescope on Mount Graham, and we started up the Swift Trail. The focus of the day was to tour the Pinalenos and see first hand the effects of the Frye Fire of June 2017. Our first stop of the day was at a small canyon that I had passed so many times without ever stopping to explore it. This little hidden gem was loaded with changing maples and flowing water.

As we passed the top end of the Shake Trail, we entered into the main burn area of the Frye Fire. Pitchfork Canyon looked like it had been skewered by the Devil’s flaming pitchfork. A mountain side of black sticks where a lush stand of mature firs had once provided dense shade. The Arrow Tree still stood.

Stop 2 was at Snow Flat. Most of this area had fared well, with the exception being the back road to Treasure Park (Treasure Park via Snow Flat hike is charcoal city). Hospital Flat had some damage but is still beautiful, I think.

Stop 3 was Grant Hill Trailhead. Grant Hill was almost entirely consumed in a crown fire. Hopefully aspens will thrive here in the coming decades, but it looks pretty bad right now, and the trail loops on it are closed for the foreseeable future. We talked with the Squirrel Girl here, and heard the latest Red Squirrel census, which was pretty grim (35 found during the post-fire count, I heard).

The Grant Creek area didn’t look too bad, with only moderate fire damage, as we approached Stop 4: Cunningham Campground, next to the western trailhead of the Cunningham Loop. We talked with some
Forest Service employees briefly, and checked out the the Grant Creek Trailhead before continuing on. The Moonshine Creek area fared well, with fall aspens and ferns adding some color.

The Fort Grant overlook revealed Grant Creek Canyon to have a mosaic burn pattern, with plenty of green forest left intact.

Approaching Columbine through the singed spruce-fir, we turned down Bible Camp Road toward the Deadman-Highline Trailhead. Bible Camp Road had seen mosaic burn, and while there was heavy damage in places, there were some patches of surviving spruce-fir. I knew that much of Deadman had been thoroughly torched, but I had hope that my trail sign might have survived. As we rounded the first corner of Deadman, there was the trail sign I had made in 2010, perfectly undamaged among burned logs. I couldn’t believe it, and it was one of the few sights that day that made me smile. I unbolted my soot-covered creation to bring it home, as Deadman-Highline, my favorite Pinaleno trail, will probably not ever reopen.

The next stop was one Chad and I were both apprehensive over: Columbine Corral/Ash Creek Trailhead. We had heard that Ash Creek and Webb Peak were severely burned and a sea of black sticks. Sadly, that was true. The jewel of the Pinalenos was completely devoid of green, save for some small aspen and raspberry sprouts in places. Heartbreaking. On to the next spot...

Soldier Creek Campground looked great, just like old times.

As we drove toward Chesley Flat across the black skeleton slopes of Webb Peak, we wondered if any of the top was untouched by this mega-fire. Fire damage beyond Chesley Flat was less severe, and finally ceased at the turnoff for Riggs Lake. There is some ground fire evidence on the east side of Riggs, but very minor. We walked around the lake on the Lakeshore Trail, finally able to see a healthy, familiar favorite.

We continued down the last mile plus of the Swift Trail through the unburned forests of old, to the Clark Peak Trailhead, where we started the CP Flat Loop hike. The west end of the Pinalenos was deserted and we enjoyed a great hike through the aspens and mixed conifer woodland.
The rugged cliffs of Grandview Peak above Hell’s Hole looked amazing with a small strip of golden aspens clinging precariously.

Making our way home, I pulled over at Chesley Flat to check out the upper end of the Blair Canyon Trail and the old “spooky woods” area. This area was on the edge of the Webb Peak inferno and sustained heavy but not total damage. Still some survivor trees, including the tumor tree, and the ancient Blair Canyon Trail sign.

We continued back down the mountain, discussing our findings and thoughts on the matter, and made one final stop at the upper Shake Trailhead to see trees caked in red retardant from the fire.

Back on the straightaway at the base of the Pinalenos, Chad headed for home, and I grabbed a sandwich at Mount Graham Market for dinner on the road to home.

A few observations, which are totally my opinion...
Most of the burn area, which includes the majority of the top of the Pinalenos, appeared to me to have about 50% tree mortality. Of that 50%, a large portion of these trees were covered in dead needles with no sign of green (heat scorched trees, rather than burn, maybe?). The most severe burn areas appeared to be Pitchfork Canyon, Grant Hill, Ash Creek, and Webb Peak. The least severe/most green areas appeared to be Snow Flat, the area north of Hospital Flat, and Grant Creek watershed. The top of Graham Ridge between Shannon Campground and the summit of Mount Graham was severely burned, with almost total tree mortality. Severe erosion scarred most of the drainages and creeks on top. I won’t discuss my personal feelings here, other than to say the burn was worse than I had feared. I still love the Pinalenos, and always will, but they sure do look rough right now. I might post a photo set.

Chad, thanks for another great adventure! Much better to see sights like this with a like-minded friend.
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Apr 22 2017
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 Gilbert AZ
Webb Peak from Ash Creek THTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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Hiking18.36 Miles 6,374 AEG
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A couple different places in eastern Arizona were on the radar this weekend, but since this was only going to be a day hike it needed to be relatively close. The plan was to car camp near the TH, head up to Webb Peak from Ash Creek as an out and back in the morning, then drive back to Phoenix that night.

We woke up earlier than expected and I got my first glimpses of the Pinalenos with the sunrise. Holy crap, this Sky Island is HUGE.

I was head over heels for Ash Creek within the first few miles. This is an amazing creek-side hike! The forest along the creek is lush and dense, the creek lines up amazing waterfalls one after another, and every once in a while you pop out of the vegetation to superb views looking back or further up at the mountain. A perfect balance in my opinion.

The trail is in pretty good condition from the bottom all the way to the Webb Peak Trail JCT. A few blow downs, and some damaged tread. There are a bunch of blow downs between the Webb Peak/Ash Creek JCT and the top of Ash Creek, though.

The lookout makes the side trip to Webb Peak worth it. The view was a very fresh one for me. There is a lot of new territory for me to explore out there... I was hoping to find a few big patches of snow near the top to test out a new toy, but the bulk of the snow up there is long gone. It was too warm by the time we reached the top anyway. What's left of the snow is small patches in the trees.

I really can't say anything bad about this hike. The Pinalenos met and exceeded my expectations. With plenty of great camping options along Ash Creek, I can't wait to come back and do some more exploring in this area and the greater Pinaleno range.
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At the lower elevations along the creek.

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Apr 22 2017
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 Payson, AZ
Webb Peak from Ash Creek THTucson, AZ
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Hiking18.00 Miles 6,300 AEG
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Headed south to cover some new territory with Dallin. I was expecting an experience similar to our previous sky island outing in the Rincons and Mt Lemmon. This trip exceed my expectations. We got a nice early start and could immediately hear the creek raging below as we started up Ash Creek Trail. Once the trail met back up with the creek, we knew we were in for a gorgeous but long day. This entire riparian area was lush with vegetation that was not only green, but also flowered already. Big Sycamores loomed over head and patches of Columbines lined the raging creek. Waterfalls and deep pools were around every corner. This narrow, cliffed out section turned to a dense Maple and Fern forest. After a good climb, we reached the upper section of the creek as it runs through peaceful Pine forest. I was surprised how warm it was even at higher elevations. Must've been like this for a while now because it had the appearance of a mid-summer Pine forest elswehere. The Pines seemed to get taller as we climbed onto the ridgeline and enjoyed a stroll over to Webb Peak via Webb Peak Trail. A few small patches of snow lingered in the last couple of miles. Once on the peak, we checked out the lookout tower and had a snack before heading down. Definitely nice to get up the tower and over the tree line for those expansive views. We started the trek down on Ash Creek Trail this time. It was littered with deadfall at first but cleared up eventually. The scenery and views were enough to make 9 miles of downhill on an out and back about as enjoyable as possible. From the riparian zone to the Pines, it was beautiful all around.
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Mar 11 2017
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Ash Creek Trail #307Tucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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Backpack18.39 Miles 6,652 AEG
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The goal of this backpack was to escape anything related to 90 degree temperatures, to visit some waterfalls and find some snow. It was successful on all fronts. A tremendous over night trip into the premier sky island, Mount Graham.

We started our backpack at the lower Ash Creek trailhead. This trail is a climb from the start and it can feel like a real slog at times, especially, when carrying an extra tent and old sleeping bag for the pups. In particular, the 1,000 feet gained between mile four and fivish, is brutal. There were a few newly fallen obstacles along the way and some higher than average creek crossing as well to add to the ardor. After enjoying the falls from the trailside lookout, Jackie stayed with the pups so I could get a "closer" look. After dropping down one viewpoint, I started to realize that although it was very steep and a little dicey looking, one could scramble all the way to the base of the falls, an area that has been on my wish list for awhile. I yelled back to Jackie and let her know I was going down further, she acknowledged and I began the wild descent, which actually went pretty well.

However, about a 100, or so feet from the bottom I kicked up a pretty good rock slide, one that ended with a couple hundred plus pound boulders smashing to the bottom of the raging creek and echoing something thunderous and chilling. I immediately thought Jackie might get worried and yelled back, "I'm ok," even though I knew there was probably no way she could hear me. After that, the base of the falls came pretty easily and I marveled at the cool little area, After exploring and snapping a few pics of the cool little cascades below the falls, I began my crawl up. After reaching the top, I found out pretty quickly from a shook up Jackie that she had been assuming the worst since hearing the rock slide, In fact, she had even sent out a couple of distressed texts to people assuming the worst, after not seeing, or hearing from me in about 45 minutes. The poor girl was about 15 minutes away from collecting her gear, the pups and heading back to the TH to get proper help. I felt horrible for not communicating my intentions to reach the bottom and for not finding away to signal back that I was alright, after the rock slide; a tad humbling seeing how greatly thoughts of your demise might impact someone close to you. In the end though, all was well and nobody was hurt, so we continued on after collecting ourselves a little.

We took the nearly devoid of snow Ash Creek bypass trail over the snowed in route over slick rock. We ended up calling it a day near the old mill site. We found a great site along the robust snow fed creek and set up camp quickly to potentially pursue some exploring up trail. However, that thought devolved into a nap and the usual camp chores. We enjoyed a chilly, but not overly cold night and while the temperatures definitely reached freezing, I do not think they dipped too far below that. The moon never really allowed darkness to take hold, but we still slept well, thanks in part to a tough little day and climb.

We decided to head for Webb Peak Sunday morning, but got turned around by some real deep snow just after clearing 9,500 feet. We had got lucky for most of the hike up and were able to cruise with micro-spikes on some hard crusted 3-4 feet deep snow for large sections, however, as the temperature warmed the post holing began. However, it was still only a minor inconvenience until we got to just under a half a mile from the summit where the snow got really deep and soft, deep enough to lose a dog in deep! We'd had such a good time playing in the snow up until then, that it really did not bother us to turn around. We did the quick hike back to camp, broke camp and started the relentless descent. The trip down seemed to fly by in comparison to the hike up. I visited an old favorite set of falls on the way down and then finally made it to another one I had been meaning to get to. We finished to complaining about the heat and in shorts and t-shirts, slightly different than the wintry conditions we began our day with, Arizona at its finest.

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Oct 13 2016
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 Jackson, CA
Ash Creek Trail #307Tucson, AZ
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Excellent climb from the lower trailhead at 4700' to the top of Webb Peak at just over 10,000'. The first mile is out in open scrub, but the rest of the hike stays right along the beautiful creek and/or in shady forest. Nicely routed and very well-maintained trail. The last 4 miles of the drive to the trailhead are rough and rocky, with 3 creek crossings. Thanks to chumley and FOTG for the inspiration and some good area info.
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Aug 16 2016
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 Small Town USA
Webb Peak Trail #345Tucson, AZ
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](*,) After an extensive search of vehicles, camping gear & home, it was determined that an item was left somewhere in the middle of the Chesley Flat Trail from our hike one week earlier ](*,)

We headed back up the mountain this morning to search by re-hiking the route starting with the Webb Peak Trail :next: Chesley Flat Trail :next: Swift Trail :next: Grant Goudy Ridge :next: Ice Caves :next: Swift Trail.
We were unsuccessful in finding the item ..... :pk:
Oh well, what we did find was a fire lookout tower, meadows full of wildflowers, raspberries, cool cave to explore, a heavy flowing waterfall, hawks & vultures in the sky, white-tail doe & 4 Abert's squirrels on the ground and a whole lot of quiet, never saw another person or vehicle on the upper mountain all day!

Learned 2 things today -
#1 loosing stuff sucks!
#2 Hiking upper Graham in August ..... Primo!
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