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Jan 17 2026
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41 male
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 Chandler, AZ
Superstition 4x Summit Super Loop, AZ 
Superstition 4x Summit Super Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Jan 17 2026
John10sTriplogs 390
Hiking26.57 Miles 5,688 AEG
Hiking26.57 Miles   11 Hrs   22 Mns   2.49 mph
5,688 ft AEG      42 Mns Break
 
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I hadn't done a long hike in a few months, and since Joe hasn't planned anything crazy recently, I decided to get out for a longer hike in the Superstitions. I chose an old @LJW route that I'd my eye on for a few years that covered 25+ miles and hit four summits (Bluff Spring Mountain, Miner's Summit, Picacho Butte, and Coffee Flat 4621), with ~ 40% of the miles off-trail. Picacho and Coffee Flat were new ones for me and were the main attractions.

Peralta TH to Bluff Spring Mtn Summit
I packed 3.5+ liters of water, a purifier, and extra gear for a long day and set out from Peralta by flashlight just before 6AM. I carried the bear spray in case there were any lingering rabid bobcats or thirsty cougars still prowling the Peralta area after the recent closure. I covered the first few miles in the dark, with stars overhead and a comfortable temps, and the sky was just starting to lighten as I reached the Terrapin intersection. I left the trail west of Bluff Spring Mountain and took a direct route up to the summit, arriving just before 8AM with beautiful views of the sunrise lighting up Weaver's Needle and the Goldfields. [ youtube video ]

Bluff Spring Mtn to Miner's Summit
From the summit, I hiked SE across the mountain and descended on Ely-Anderson, my first time on that trail. Steep, but fairly well cairned and not too tough to follow. I connected with Dutchman and left the trail after a short distance to hike up the N/NE side of Miner's Summit, a 'miner' bump on the route relative to the terrain ahead. I was on summit #2 just after 9AM and took another short break on top, with Coffee Flat Mountain looming to the east. [ youtube video ]

Miner's Summit to Picacho Butte
Coming down from Miner's Summit, I saw two guys at the saddle below, the first people I'd seen all day. They continued east on Whiskey Spring, and I passed them before leaving the trail and to start up the ridge past the Circle benchmark toward Coffee Flat. Views were fantastic from the ridge, and the route looked straightforward, though the final approach is deceptive from a distance with 4621 hidden behind a false summit.

I generally stayed west of the rock outcroppings along the ridge, and there were two steep uphill stretches. The toughest part was skirting around the west side of 4562, the false summit that's visible from a distance--that involved a lot of side-hilling on a very steep grade that slowed the pace, but I dropped down to a ridge leading to Picacho Butte. The were a couple small false summits along the way, and the high point is a little north of 4294 label on the map, but the views were great. I was on summit #3 at ~11:20AM, and it was very cool to finally be up there after seeing Picacho from below so many times over the years.

Picacho Butte to Coffee Flat Mtn 4621
I ended up improvising on the route to 4621--the route I was following went back the way I came and would've followed the rugged ridgeline that runs SW of the summit. It looked like that would require more aggressive side-hilling around some large rock formations, so I decided to try a more direct route at 4621, first dropping down into a drainage west of the peak...that added some elevation but looked easier and more efficient than another round of side-hilling. I found a spot to scramble down into the drainage and exit the other side...the climb was steep but worked well, and I was on top of Coffee Flat about an hour after leaving Picacho. Once again, great views in all directions with 4621 being one of the highest peaks in that vicinity. [ youtube video ]

Coffee Flat Mtn 4621 to Red Tanks Divide
I dropped down the SE side of the summit, which was steeper than I expected. There were a couple of especially steep, rocky scrambles going down, first leaving the summit and another farther down as I dropped into one of the drainages, which had some small pools and trickling water. The route eventually leveled off and wasn't too brushy on the way to Red Tanks Divide.

Red Tanks Divide to Peralta TH
Finally back on trail with ~11 miles to go, I stopped and filtered water at a nice pool south of the divide. Red Tanks Trail was easy to follow and not nearly as overgrown as I expected, so the miles passed quickly. I'd never hiked that section of Red Tanks and was pleasantly surprised by the scenery approaching Dripping Spring--flowing water, flowers, beautiful cliffs, and some fall color. I crossed paths with two people camped near the spring, and one of their dogs enjoyed following me and barking...I wondered for a while if he planned to stick with me all the way back to Peralta :). The impressive scenery continued along Coffee Flat Trail, and I stopped by Reeds Water before continuing onto Dutchman in late afternoon shadows and finishing off the loop a little after 5PM.

Summary
Fantastic loop, and one of the most memorable Superstition hikes I've done. I saw four people and two deer all day and covered a lot of ground...great sunrise and scenery, perfect weather, explored some new territory and visited two new peaks, and didn't pick up too many scratches. Good day all around :).

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Pools at crossing, light flow just upstream

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Didn’t get a good look because people camped nearby but creek had light flow...presumably, the spring was dripping

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Jan 13 2026
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 Ahwatukee, AZ
Red Tanks Super Loop - Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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LindaAnnTriplogs 2,734
Hiking22.89 Miles 3,789 AEG
Hiking22.89 Miles   10 Hrs   53 Mns   2.22 mph
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After rescheduling from last week due to weather, Kelly and I headed out to hike the Red Tanks Super Loop today. Got to Peralta while it was still dark. As we were getting ready, a familiar looking vehicle pulled into the lot, but I couldn't see the driver. Kelly and I headed out on Dutchman to do the loop counter-clockwise. After a little more than a mile, Wally showed up behind us. So I really did recognize the vehicle. His plan for the day also had him heading the same direction, so we were a trio for another five miles or so as we headed east on Coffee Flat.

After showing us a unique rock pile, Kelly and I continued on Coffee Flat while Wally headed out to his planned adventure. The area has seen some flooding, and we found it easier at times to stay in the creek bed instead of attempting to follow obliterated trail. Plenty of hopping over water and dodging occasional quicksand was involved.

We turned onto Red Tanks Trail, which has also seen some flooding. Again, we opted to stay in the creek bed in places. Some catclaw as we climbed up towards the divide, and the trail was pretty rough in places. Once over the divide, the trail improved. We had lunch near the Hoolie Bacon junction, then continued west. Once past the junction with Whiskey Springs Trail, the rest of Red Tanks trail was in good shape. I topped off my water somewhere along here, but if I die soon, it was because I didn't filter it.

South on Dutchman, then turned onto Bluff Springs Trail. From there, we had mostly shade as the sun dropped lower. Temps were more pleasant too. The final few miles went by quickly as we completed the loop, arriving back at the trailhead right at sunset. Great hike and nice to get some good mileage for the day! Plenty of water along the entire route.
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Looks more like late February out there.

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Plenty of water
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 phoenix, az
Red Tanks Super Loop - Peralta THPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking22.89 Miles 3,789 AEG
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linda suggested a hike in the superstitions
rescheduled due to last week's weather
we met up at 0600 and got going before 0700
headlamps for a mile
wally caught up with us between one and two miles along dutchman
we hiked together until he turned off at a drainage he wanted to explore off coffee flat
before then, he showed us an obscure rock pile - a worthy off trail detour
red tanks trail was not a trail the first half mile, until climbing out of the creek
some catclaw and other brush on the east end, much better after descending from the divide
labarge canyon is always scenic, with part of it easy walking
we took a break at the hoolie bacon intersection
tried to find labarge spring, were close but the area looks different than i remember
finished up on dutchman and bluff spring late afternoon
great loop, new combo for me although i've done dripping springs super loop thirteen years ago and all of the trails
red tanks wasn't as overgrown as expected
water flowing everywhere
saw seven people the entire day
nice to be out on a couple of trails i haven't been on in years
thanks linda, great day!
*using linda's stats, mine were very close
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Jan 10 2026
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 Tempe, AZ
Fraser - Randolph LoopGlobe, AZ
Globe, AZ
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chumleyTriplogs 2,033
Hiking11.46 Miles 1,218 AEG
Hiking11.46 Miles   4 Hrs   51 Mns   2.57 mph
1,218 ft AEG      23 Mns Break
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Summary: it was cold.

Details: I'd never done Randolph, Fraser, or this end of either Coffee Flat nor Red Tanks. Believe it or not, I had never even been to the Woodbury trailhead before! :o

It burned. But it's green now. There was nice flow in the main canyons and many of the side drainages. In theory there was no reason to get our feet wet, but the plentiful sneaky quicksand had enough surprises that we all fell victim at some point along the loop.

Rare sheltered spots allowed the sunstar to provide a moment of warmth, but for the most part the gale-force arctic wind kept us all in full appreciation of these non-115 degree desert days. The drive on 172 was mostly pooey start to finish. Ryan's Subi made it with only a few slips and beeps though. Wow, the artillery crowd is set on destroying the desert out there.

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The HAZ location for this doesn't match the map location? The map location is barely dripping. Can't envision it ever providing a good source of water. Adjacent creek was flowing nicely, so it doesn't matter right now.

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Bedrock pools and clear flow through in the sand along the whole canyon

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Nice winter runoff coming into Fraser from Musk Hog

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Didn't seek source of spring, but canyon was flowing nicely

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Nice flow and plenty of deep, clear cold pools

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Nice flow coming into Fraser from Whetrock
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Nov 27 2025
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Whiskey West - Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Backpack21.00 Miles 3,264 AEG
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We did a clockwise variation of this loop with some exploring along the way for a nice little Thanksgiving overnight backpack.

We hiked in the Bluff Springs Trail and then camped at the nice site near Oak Spring and then did some exploring towards the Charlebois Spring area on day one. On the second day we did some off trail exploring along the Red Tanks Trail before starting our hike back to the car. We spent most of the day on the hike out, but that included extended breaks at several of the watering holes on the way out. All of the major drainages we encountered were flowing and most of the secondary drainages were still trickling water from the most recent precipitation event. We hardly saw anyone over the two days. A couple groups of hikers/backpackers each day. It’s tough to beat the western Supes as an easy overnight destination this time of year and with these current conditions. An excellent backpack on all accounts and in one of my favorite areas in the Supes.
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The entire wash is flowing lightly in the spring area with nice pools.

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 Gilbert, AZ
Dripping Springs Super LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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VashtiTriplogs 291
Hiking9.23 Miles 1,149 AEG
Hiking9.23 Miles   7 Hrs   27 Mns   1.41 mph
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Day 2 of dripping springs super loop backpack.

The best surprise was seeing a desert tortoise on the trail!! My first time seeing one in the wild. I almost stepped on him. He was chilling out right on the dutchman trail, only about 1.5 miles from the Peralta TH.

We took bets as to how many cars would be at the Trailhead upon our return. I guessed 10, but at our arrival at 320p,there were actually 14. 🤣🤣
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Water running into a large pool.

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Sad spring. Pool nearby but not great looking.

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Lots of pools and flowing water.

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Lots of pools after the huge rain a few weeks ago.

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Water underneath the windmill. No water elsewhere.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Lots of water. Big pool. Nice and clear.
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Dripping Springs Super LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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VashtiTriplogs 291
Hiking12.09 Miles 2,253 AEG
Hiking12.09 Miles   9 Hrs   31 Mns   1.58 mph
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Great backpack around dripping springs super loop! Went with a first time backpacker. In 20/20 hindsight, this was not a good choice. Never the less, we enjoyed our adventure. We did the loop ccw.

In general, there was pretty much water everywhere! It was beautiful and resulted in a very green desert! Lots of grass, leafed out ocotillos, and quite a bit of wild flowers.

We headed out at 7a and arrived at Reeds Water before 11a. We enjoyed a snack on the grass by the windmill. It was very green and very humid and buggy in this area. We headed back on trail out to Randolph canyon which is currently a beautiful water wonderland! So much water. We crossed the canyon and checked out the massive camping area which is currently a green meadow full of grass. Lots of great flat giant campsites.

We headed back to Randolph canyon and down towards dripping spring. This was my first time going from Reeds water to dripping spring. The canyon was amazing with so much water. There is a nice campsite just prior to dripping springs, but it is rather in vegetation and was quite buggy in the heat. The trail goes right past the campsite, and lets out at the confluence of Randolph canyon and Fraser canyon. We headed back a bit to check out dripping spring which is very underwhelming. I would hate to have to rely on that spring for water! There was a pool next to it, but it didn't look great. Currently, this is not an issue because of the massive amount water flowing in Randolph canyon.

We thought about modifying the original plan to do an out and back to dripping springs backpack, but after arriving at dripping springs at just before noon, we decided to keep going as we had the whole day ahead of us. We headed out on red tanks in the canyon. So much water around, it really is a site to behold. We stopped and filtered water at a pretty water fall before taking the trail up and out of Randolph canyon. The trail in red tank canyon was okay, just not regularly used and overgrown and rocky in parts. The red tanks trail guide written 20 years ago is still spot on for accuracy of trail conditions. 🤣🤣 The trail gets higher but the canyon (and the pools of water currently within) remain visible. The last mile before the red tanks divide is an uphill slog. The views from the divide are definitely nice. While heading down we were just looking for a campsite near water. We ended up on a nice bench with grand views just lower than the trail. There were accessible large clear pools just down in the drainage. We were only about half mile from the nice large sandy campsite at Brad's water, but having never been to the area before, we were unaware. Our campsite had great views. The moon was between half and full, and it made for a pretty night.

The next morning we were off again. The trail is nonexistent in the wash areas just after Brad's water. The route was helpful, and once out of the wash, the trail picks up again. Red tanks in general has a lot of catclaw, and sadly we did not escape unscathed. After more time in the wash, the trail goes high on the ridge making for some phenomenal views of the canyon below, the ridge, and the surrounding area. There are impressive unburned saguaros in this area, and after a while Herman Cave comes into view. About a half mile before the cave is a nice campsite. Even high up in the ridge, running water can be heard from the canyon below. We enjoyed seeing fragile arch when looking out across the canyon.

Heading down near the cave, the trail crosses the wash a couple times. This area is overgrown and has a lot of dead fall. There was also a huge pool of water, as well. The junction with whiskey springs was more of the same, water everywhere and lots of green!

The trip back to the car was uneventful. Green desert, hotter temps than desired, and no people to speak of! We didn't see any people our entire hike, woo hoo! I thought for certain we would see someone on Dutchman, but no. There were more wild flowers than I expected to see, so that was fun. The whiskey springs trail from the high point down to the junction with Dutchman is really a delight. The views in that area never fail to inspire. 🌵💚🌵💚

A great backpack in the supes. I can't wait to get back out there! 😊
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 Gold Canyon, AZ
Hoolie Bacon Trail #111Phoenix, AZ
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I wanted to check out some areas yesterday and after twisting arms for a minute S, Wally, and Andy were game. The road down 213 is always an adventure as it continues to deteriorate every year. Parked at the upper TH and headed up the JF Trail. After a mile, we reached the Hoolie Bacon junction and started down into Tortilla Creek, making a quick stop in Cedar Basin before climbing up to Horse Ridge. We stopped for some pics of the great views on top of the ridge then continued down through Horse Camp Basin before reaching our first destination, Trap Canyon. There is no 'trail' in Trap Canyon, it is a boulder brushy maze trying to make your way through. The Supes encyclopedia showed us an area with a ton of bedrock mortars. From there came the 2 and 3-story house-size boulders. We navigated around the first few but came to a section where the only way past it was an 8-10-foot drop. After scoping it out and not confident we could get back up if we needed to we decided to backtrack to Hoolie Bacon and continued on. Made it to the Hoolie Bacon/Red Tanks junction, made a left then after about a half mile bushwhacked up a small creek while also getting shredded by catclaw to Brad's water and the remains of Brad's Cabin. Tons of water at Brads and I highly disappointed Andy when I forgot my speedo at home so I couldn't swim it. ](*,) Wally advised there are remains of the cabin at a site just north of that, which is now an outer rock wall with an inner rock wall and concrete foundation. There are a ton of old tools and a bed still at the site. From there we found a nice lunch spot in the shade and started the uneventful hike back to the truck, where once we got to the top of Horse Ridge, Wally put the afterburners on and waited for us at the JF/Hoolie Bacon junction. Was pretty chilly at the start of the hike but got hot on the hike out as Hoolie Bacon has no shade at all from the sun. Saw a couple of backpackers at the Red Tanks/Hoolie Bacon junction asking about water and that was it for the day and no wildlife besides a couple of rabbits. Hoolie Bacon has a good amount of catclaw, most of it just off-trail some hangers will get you from time to time. I will have to try Trap from the Red Tanks side in the fall as the canyon is beautiful. Thanks, Wally, Andy, and S for joining, it's always a good time!

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Swimming pool.

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Hoolie Bacon Trail #111Phoenix, AZ
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A hike in the Supes with Larry(me), Curly, Moe & Shemp. Curly Miller drove the smooth road and we bounced down to the trailhead. We started early and the temps were nice. the Hoolie Bacon trail was easy to follow but got a little messy around Tortilla creek with the cattle trails. There are more ups and downs than we remembered but the climbs kept us honest. Shemp laughed at as when we missed a turn but we always found the trail again. Trap Canyon was cool and shaded but we stopped at the leap of faith. Curly was the voice of reason. Moe Dilling looked for a bypass but it led to another drop off off so we opted for Brad's Water & Brad's Cabin foundation as a plan B. There was plenty of catclaw in Brad's canyon but we endured the gauntlet. It started to warm up a bit in the sun, so we filtered water and took a break in the shade. The hike out was warm but the breeze on the saddles was nice. A good day in the Supes with a vow to return to Trap canyon from the other west end in the fall.
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Jason suggested a visit to Trap Canyon and Brad’s Water. I have hiked right past both of these cool places but have never visited.

Wally and Stephanie joined the trek as well. Jason drove his rig down the lovely FS213. It was in great shape, and it was a smooth ride down to the JF Trailhead from Tortilla TH. Except, of course, for the near impassable rocky crap that seems to get worse with each year. It might be time to hike the extra miles soon, unless Jason is still willing to beat the crap out of his Yoda.

The weather was very nice at the start, but we figured it would heat up a bit as the day went on. We hiked through the cow pasture area and then started up to the saddle (and false saddle too). Looking down from the saddle, Music Mountain and Herman’s Mountain came into view and a still snow covered Four Peaks in the other direction.

We made it to Trap Canyon and Wally showed us some really cool metate stones, many of them. It makes you wonder how life was in this place 500-700 years ago. We made our way to the namesake of the canyon – the trap. And, we decided to turn around at the first real challenging drop down. We didn’t get a unanimous vote to keep going. Such a beautiful area. Some of the largest boulders I’ve seen in any canyon in the Supes, for sure.

We hike back out and started down to the Red Tanks/Hoolie Bacon junction. The trail get’s a little sketchy in this area. We made the turn up to Brad’s Water and found some wonderful catclaw forest. So nice to hike through there. My white long-sleeved shirt magically got a bunch of red polka dots after pushing through the nastiness.

The well/spring was really interesting. Wally said it was mine, and they struck water! Not as full as it has been in the past, I was told, but a lot of water. The little drainage coming down was also running. It was the most water I’ve seen in the Supes in a while. Wally then said there was a cabin further up. I never knew that was there. Very interesting for sure. A concrete foundation and mortared rock walls. At some point, this cabin had been a sturdy structure.

After a quick visit, we made our way across the catclaw patch and had a little lunch at the only tree along the Red Tanks Trail (that wasn’t burnt up). Off we went back up the Hoolie-Bacon Trail. A bit of a trudge going up and down, but we made it up to the saddle and then started back down towards the trailhead.

A nice day in the Superstitions. It’s always a pleasure to hike with Wally and Jason and it was nice to meet you, Stephanie!
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Hoolie Bacon Trail #111Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking13.79 Miles 2,708 AEG
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2,708 ft AEG      26 Mns Break
 
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I was enticed back to the JF/Tortilla THs with an offer I couldn't refuse...a ride. In a vehicle. Out and back on the notorious FS213. 🤣

The day started early, since we knew there was a potential for it to be fairly long, what with the planned exploration of Trap Canyon. We jostled down the road, with the conversation touching on other interesting explorations in the area - it was definitely much more enjoyable than the last time I was on the road (walking!) We arrived at the trailhead, scaring off several desert cottontails as we headed off down the trail.

After a short walk up the JF Trail, we hit the junction for Hoolie Bacon. The area around Tortilla creek was as I remembered it, though this time it had a decent amount of flowing water (with marinating cow pies). Climbing out of Tortilla Creek, looking back, there were nice views of the snow frosted Four Peaks, and as we hit the saddle, there were nice views of Music and Herman's Mountains.

On our descent towards Trap Canyon, I was glad to discover that I'm not the only experienced desert hiker who can walk right past the designated trail - I only cackled in delight a little bit 😆 and in fairness, the gents were talking amongst themselves and didn't make it far before figuring out they'd missed the curve in the trail.

Once we hit the mouth of Trap, Wally took the lead, blazing a path through the brush. The mouth of the canyon is plenty enticing, with neat geology to lure you in. Not too far down canyon, we were treated to a section riddled with metates/mortars - they were definitely more mortar shaped (circular openings, and some quite deep) than what I typically think of as metate shaped (oblong and shallow). Sadly, no sherds were found, but they could be buried under the copious amounts of sand that moves in with any large flow event.

After exploring the metate shelves, we made our way further down canyon until we hit a constriction between some house sized boulders and a pair of chockstones. The drop from the lower stone looked to be 8-10 feet and a challenge to upclimb (and the downclimb wouldn't have been particularly delightful either). We decided to turn around and return at a later date to see if we could explore Trap from the other side.

In lieu of exploring Trap, we decided to head towards Brad's Water to have a look at what remained in the area. The walk up Brad's Canyon towards Brad's Water is an exercise in finding the path of least resistance - sometimes finding a clear path on one of the benches, sometimes walking in the drainage itself, and sometimes picking your way through catclaw. Not far from Brad's Water are the remains of Brad's Cabin, which was really neat to see. The cabin remains include the concrete foundation and mortared walls along with an array of old tools including a pickaxe, some pliers, and an axe head, amongst other things.

After exploring the site, we headed back the way we came, stopping in a shady spot for lunch. The recent rains left the ground damp in places, and all that moisture certainly contributed to higher humidity levels. We were glad for the occasional breeze that kicked up as we made our way back to the trailhead (I swear there were more uphill sections that I recalled on the way in!).

It was a fantastic day to be out hiking with wonderful company - it was great to meet both Andy and Wally and get a chance to hear about their explorations in the area and elsewhere.
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a singular strawberry hedgehog was spotted in bloom.

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Whiskey West - Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ
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VashtiTriplogs 291
Hiking15.50 Miles 2,181 AEG
Hiking15.50 Miles   7 Hrs   52 Mns   2.22 mph
2,181 ft AEG      54 Mns Break
 
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First time doing this loop as a day hike! To add something new, we checked out the major springs along the way! 😁 My previous visit was full of water. This time everything was dry except for a few pot holes of water here and there due to the bit of rain we had a couple of days last week.

My favorite section of this loop is red tanks. The views are expansive. The red rock formations are majestic. The views on whiskey are also beautiful.

La Barge spring was a real treat. Completely surrounded by vines, the spring is hidden in its own secret lair! 🤣🤣 There is a trail carved through the vines to get there. The trail itself is a muddy slip N slide, as the spring box is overflowing and water is running down the trail like a small creek. It is quite magical!! 💧🩵💧🩵💧 The water rains down into the spring box from above. There were 2 backpackers camping at the campsite closest to the spring, and another two filled up water before heading down red tanks.

Next stop was bluff springs, which I have been by so many times and never stopped to see! 🤣🤣 From the main campsite just off the trail, follow the main trail back towards the canyon and into the trees. There are lots of game trails, but there is still one main large trail going back. Just before entering the trees, there is a large piece of sheet metal. The water is coming directly out of a pipe and splashes down onto a large rock. The flow was a consistent small stream, but you would need to catch it in something to filter.

After bluff spring, we were in the home stretch. We noted the exact location of the Ely Anderson trail for a future trip. The trail is noticeable and cairned. There was no water in bluff spring canyon. Just a few small puddles near the giant rock in the wash.

Jason pointed out the Peralta rock in Barks canyon. I don't think I have seen it before. It is hiding in plain sight! 🤣🤣

Before you know it, we were down cardiac hill and back at the car! Another beautiful winter day in the desert full of sunshine! 🙂🌵☀️ In addition to the 2 groups of backpackers we saw at La Barge, we saw another 2 groups of backpackers heading in on bluff springs. It is certainly a fine weekend for it! We saw 4 day hikers when we were starting out on Dutchman. Not too bad crowding wise. The parking lot was a zoo when we arrived at 840a. Of course, thankfully all those people confine themselves to Peralta, leaving the rest of the wilderness relatively unscathed! 🤣🤣 I normally like to get an earlier start, but had some commitments in the early morning. The drive in was also a bit of a zoo. And there were unsurprisingly 30 cars at the carney springs TH at least. Craziness!

dry Bark at Dutchman Crossing Dry Dry
Few puddles of water only.

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Water coming out of the pipe onto a large rock

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Lots of water. Spring box full and overflowing creating a mini creek of the trail leading up to the spring box. Spring is surrounded by vines.


dry Whiskey Spring Dry Dry
Didn't see anything in this exact area. There were some potholes of water here and there. And there was one area with some actively running water into a tiny pool in the creek bed.
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Whiskey West - Red Tanks LoopPhoenix, AZ
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Hiking15.19 Miles 2,293 AEG
Hiking15.19 Miles   7 Hrs   53 Mns   1.99 mph
2,293 ft AEG      14 Mns Break
 
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The last time I hiked a variant of this loop was well over 20 years ago. I remembered enough to know that I enjoyed the views along portions of the trail...so when trying to find someplace to hike this weekend, I slid the route on the table, hoping it would prove amenable to my hiking partners. After a little bit of dithering, they capitulated to my request - huzzah!

We had slightly later start than usual, following the slow caravan to Peralta Trail head, but lucked out and managed to snag one of the last spaces in the lot.

After signing in at the register at the behest of the volunteer ranger, we headed off and away from the hoards heading up Peralta. Not far into the hike, well before we started heading up towards Miners Needle, we passed less than a handful of other hikers headed back out (a pair and two singletons)....we'd have the trail to ourselves until La Barge Spring, where we encountered two pairs of backpackers. As we continued on our way out the Dutchman Trail on our homeward stretch, several additional groups of backpackers appeared....including one pair with an incredibly late late afternoon start.

We were able to maintain a surprisingly fast (for me) pace, given the slightly warmer weather today. We were aided by some apparent recent trail fairies who had clipped back the catclaw to allow for unhindered walking. The views were enjoyable, and it was nice to see the both Bluff and LaBarge Springs....though the brambly vines guarding LaBarge Spring demanded a blood sacrifice 🤣 (just a drop, and fear not, the spring remained uncontaminated).

There was a tiny bit of flow observed on some slickrock in the drainage possibly near Whiskey Spring, but I wasn't paying attention to the location, so I'm not lodging an official report. All drainages and washes were otherwise bone dry with maybe a pocket or two of water that will disappear in the next few days, I'm sure.

Only wildlife of note was perhaps the largest, plushiest velvet ant I've ever seen. It was terribly uncooperative for photographs though.

Possibly of interest to some, it seems I managed to take a photo from nearly the exact same spot about 25 years apart…it’s sad to see how fires have changed the landscape.

The hike didn't disappoint, and neither did the company 😊
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Wildflowers Observation Isolated
Spotted one optimistic ocotillo and then some purple nightshade at Bluff Spring.

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Steady flow observed from the pipe/tube.

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The box at the spring was full to overflowing....access is up a dirt slope and then by walking very carefully over the muddy bank amongst brambles. Be careful....the brambles proved to be more bloodthirsty than the catclaw!
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Reeds & Brads Water Out-n-Back via Whitlow, AZ 
Reeds & Brads Water Out-n-Back via Whitlow, AZ
 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,864
Hiking18.63 Miles 2,268 AEG
Hiking18.63 Miles   9 Hrs   8 Mns   2.26 mph
2,268 ft AEG      54 Mns Break12 LBS Pack
 
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The hike begins 10 miles off Highway 60, past the Queen Valley Golf Course, onto Elephant Butte Road, and then continues for the final 4 miles on North Elephant Butte Road. This last stretch requires a 4-wheel-drive vehicle with high clearance and good tires. It was the toughest test for my Subi to date! At one point on the way in, a tire was off the ground, and on the way out, another tire found itself suspended in a different spot.

The hike started with 27-degree temperatures and gentle breezes. It was a 2.6-mile trek to Reeds Well, where Joe measured the water depth at 4 feet.

Next, we followed the Coffee Flat Trail up Randolph Canyon (Sorry, Kelly—no coffee was found). This section featured picturesque views, interesting geology, and even a few cottonwoods still holding onto their fall leaves. There are some pools of water here, that the cows seem to enjoy. Be careful if you plan to filter.

At Fraser Canyon, we turned onto the Red Tanks Trail and made our way up Red Tanks Canyon. This was the longest climb of the day, gaining about 1,000 feet in elevation. We paused for lunch at the Red Tanks Divide, where we were unexpectedly passed by our 4th, 5th, and 6th backpackers of the day—quite a crowd for a Monday!

Our final two objectives were a 700-foot descent (and the return climb) and a 1.7-mile trek from the divide.

Brad’s Water was full, offering an opportunity for those inclined to wade in and splash around. This area is an old mine site that has since flooded. From there, we headed to Brad’s Cabin. All that remains is the perimeter rock wall, a substantial concrete foundation, and numerous tools and implements left behind. Thanks to the nearby water supply, the foundation and floor were poured entirely in concrete.

We retraced our steps as daylight dwindled, making our way back to the car for the drive out.

The temperatures throughout the day were perfect for hiking. Although we never felt the forcasted high winds on the trail, they made themselves known during the drive home.
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Enough water to swim in.


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Water is at least 4' deep, and is 4' below the surface. Bring the means to collect and filter from the well.
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Reeds & Brads Water Out-n-Back via Whitlow, AZ 
Reeds & Brads Water Out-n-Back via Whitlow, AZ
 
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Hiking18.63 Miles 2,268 AEG
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Had a 25ft nylon stringer in my pack to gauge Reeds and checkout Brads via the lasso loop from Peralta with an early start to get solid confirmation during the driest of times. SleepTillNoon chimed in so I revised to the closer Whitlow approach.

Based on helpful info shared by 00Dilling & ShatteredArm, it seemed like Bruce's Subaru could certainly make it to the large apron a mile before Whitlow. Scratch certainly and forget stock 2WD HC, I was impressed he didn't turn back in two spots that would have made the hike longer than Peralta.

It was an intriguing ride since I've never been on or up Elephant Butte Road. Moments felt like dialing back time and driving through the Superstitions.

The approach hike through Whitlow seemed longer and sandier in the morning. Returning seemed twice as quick late afternoon and less sandy.

Coffee Flat Trail #108
The term flat is broken.

Red Tanks Trail #107
Pretty area. Cumbersome constantly verifying each option heading up. Descending on the return seemed less of a hassle and quicker.

Synopsis
Good to get'er done and experience the Whitlow approach. Two more sources not tapping into the water table I might check out soon.
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Bone dry, nearby prickly pear pads are paper thin.

The oasis nearby at Brad's Water is easy to access and plentiful.

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Easily accessible and dependable water source in the Superstitions.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout At least 3.5 ft deep based on a 2x6 board I attached to a 25 ft line. Approximately 15* ft to the water.

*Bruce said 4, probably 10 ft closer...lol
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Charlie from Peralta best done clockwise, AZ 
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Holy Bacon Peter, AZ 
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chumleyTriplogs 2,033
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Needed to get outside again. A warm Feb weekend, with temps in the mid 70s was softened by cloudiness both Sat and Sun.

Bland scenery on Hoolie with the fire scar taking its toll, though the views were distant. Red Tanks through upper La Barge is rough but a highlight of scenery on the loop. Dutchman is a highway in this stunning supes canyon.

FOTG had claimed the best campspot along the creek, so we settled for option 2 not wanting to encroach on a romantical weekend in the woods. ;)

We took an afternoon jaunt up Trap, which was a real treat, and one I'd like to explore the rest of the way. Unfortunately, sunset forced a turnaround and we headed back to camp for the night. A full moon lit up the sky and temps dropped to 41, about 10 lower that we had expected, but somehow we managed to survive the night.

FOTG stopped by for a few minutes in the ayem on his way out before we headed our own way down toward Charley and Peter. Climbing up to the mesa reintroduced fire damage and the mesa was a mess. The catclaw is prolific and the tread is tough to follow in some places. The five red-spray-painted rocks along the way were instrumentally important in finding the way. :-k :doh:

The last two miles along upper Tortilla is a treat with cool geology and plenty of water right now. On the drive out we passed a Jeep Liberty heading up the 213, and I'm pretty sure they were on an intentional one-way trip. Best wishes to those folks and whoever's car they stole. :sweat:
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No need for the spring, as the creek was flowing nicely. But there was nice flow from the pipe and a full springbox. It's an overgrown mess to get up to it though, and not easy to find if you don't know it's there.

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Didn't go up to the source, but there was a visible flow in the drainage at the trail crossing.

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Peters was flowing the entire length

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No sign of water at the well or trough. Plenty in the adjacent creek however.

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Didn't find the actual spring source ... plenty of flow in the canyon.

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Superstition jaunt, AZ 
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I haven't been able to really get in more than an overnight backpacking trip so far this season but finally had the chance last week, from Wednesday to Saturday. Since it was the first (and perhaps only) longer trip of the season, I figured I'd just do a nice little tour de western supes to enjoy all the running water, 3 nights/4 days. I started at Peralta and went clockwise, Dutchman -> Coffee Flat -> Side Trip down Randolph Canyon -> Red Tanks -> Dutchman -> Cavalry -> Boulder -> Terrapin -> Bluff, roughly 33 miles, with the plan to do 6 or 7 the first day and 12 or so on days 2 and 3 leaving a short hike out on day 4.

The road in was fine but I did notice way more campers/RVs/etc than previous years. Like, massive amounts more and there are a couple areas where forest service/county/someone has dropped some porta potties. I know there was a race this past weekend so maybe some of it was related to that but looks more like a lot of long termers. Was generally just surprised by the difference in numbers this year compared to previous.

As expected, all the creeks were running great, meaning I never carried more than my 700ml water bottle. I was able to rock hop and keep my feet dry at most crossings but this is basically impossible on some of the crossings of La Barge on the red tanks section and definitely impossible on the section of trail between reeds water and dripping spring but I had brought an extra pair of socks and sandals to wear at camp so no problem there. The days were in the high 60s/low 70s which was a bit warmer than I would've liked due to the lack of shade, but nothing bad. Nights were low/mid-30s which was fantastic.

Most of these trails are well used so the conditions are just fine and able to make great time on without any fuss. The only exception is the stretch of Red Tanks from the Randoph canyon junction to whiskey spring. There were several spots where I ended up off trail and had a very tough time filled with many bloody cuts finding it again. Also very overgrown in many places; in this section, I think I barely averaged 1 mph. I was on this trail 14-18 months ago and don't remember it being near this bad but now I need a new shirt and shorts.

The drive out was uneventful except for one lady on a bike raising her fists and screaming at me on Peralta. It seems obvious to me that if you're slowly riding a bike on the wrong side of a dirt road, a car will pass you at some point, so not entirely sure what she was angry about but that's people for ya.
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Herman Mtn Summit and Hermans Cave, AZ 
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A few weeks ago, I tried hiking up to the summit of Herman Mountain via the west side from Trap Canyon but ran out of time, and the plan today was to try it again with a more direct route going up the south side from Red Tanks Trail. There were 10 other vehicles at Peralta, and it was in the low 40s when we started ~7AM.

We hiked most of this same route last time, too, so there weren't many surprises, but we saw three deer along Dutchman Trail early on, and it was nice to see a little more water at some of the crossings after the rain in late December. Whiskey Spring Trail is still well-maintained, which is one of the reasons I wanted to come back and try this again relatively soon before the catclaw overtakes the trail again.

When we got into Upper La Barge, TboneKathy waited below Herman's Cave while I took off for the peak. I left Red Tanks ~ a quarter mile past the cave and started up a ravine. It wasn't too steep but was very brushy early on, and the first few tenths of a mile were slow as I pushed through branches and thorns and tried to position myself on the right side of a few drainages. I ended up veering farther east than the route I'd drawn up, but it worked well and shortened the distance a little. As I'd hoped, the brush let up once I gained some elevation.

The views opened up once I got up on the ridge, and last quarter mile to the peak was faster with more open, flatter terrain. It's a fairly plain-looking peak--flat and open with a lot of low desert brush, a lot like Music Mountain to the north...but the views of the Ridgeline, Weaver's Needle, Picacho Butte, etc. are very nice. I spent a few unsuccessful minutes looking for the summit register that @ScottHika placed in 2021 [ photo ] but didn't see a summit cairn or the register, so either I missed something obvious or someone has removed it, though pseaudalpine mentioned seeing it in November.

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I headed back down the same way and rejoined TBoneKathy, then made a quick trip up to Herman's Cave before we started back. I also detoured up to Miner's Summit before hiking down Dutchman and catching up with her again, and we only saw one other person all day after leaving the trailhead. The sky had clouded over in the afternoon and it turned into a dreary, overcast day, but during the last mile of the hike, the sun broke free and lit up Barkley Basin in beautiful gold just before sunset, and as we got back to Peralta in near-dark, we heard at least two great horned owls calling...it combined to make a great end to the day and a nice start to the new year of hiking.
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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Small pool

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Several large pools and a light but steady flow in a few places
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Tortilla Super LoopPhoenix, AZ
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ddgrunningTriplogs 641
Hiking26.60 Miles 3,720 AEG
Hiking26.60 Miles   10 Hrs   12 Mns   2.75 mph
3,720 ft AEG      31 Mns Break
 
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I didn’t have the rock crawling skills to drive to the Peters trail TH, so I parked and started from the Tortilla TH, which added another 7 miles round trip.

Peters Trail—Now I know where the term “peters out” comes from. 😄 This trail does so early and often. Nature is reclaiming this one, and in my view, having a gps track is essential. There were periodic cairns, but standing at the cairn, it was often difficult to figure out which direction to go from there. Most of this trail is pretty blah by Superstition standards, with the exception of the initial jaunt through a brief canyon, and then on the back end, as you descend to the Dutchman junction.

From there, I tacked on a quick side trip to Charlebois Spring, which was showing its fall colors and full of water, per usual. Met my first fellow traveler at the spring, a solo backpacker on his second night. We visited and he graciously guided me to the petroglyph panel. Cool to see.

From there, I headed down Dutchman and the first section of Red Tanks, both of which were smooth sailing. Enjoyed some fun fall colors at the springs.

Upper La Barge Box was a highlight. Overgrown in spots but not too bad as far as route finding goes.

Hung a left at the Hoolie Bacon junction and was concerned about a repeat of the Peters Trail route finding issues. But, while the trail is indistinct in many places and a bit brushy here and there, it is very well cairned and route finding was rarely an issue. Not particularly scenic though.

Finished the loop, and with the 3.5 mile road walk left, I knew I’d be fighting for daylight. Enjoyed a lovely sunset and threw on the headlamp for the last half mile.

Tons of solitude to be had on this loop. Long pants are a must, to keep the lacerations to a minimum. On that note, don’t wear clothes that you care about, as the desert pokies are unavoidable and will extract their cheese-grater dues.

A full day in the Supes!
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