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Aug 06 2017
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Humphreys - Inner Basin - Bear Jaw - AZT Loop, AZ 
Humphreys - Inner Basin - Bear Jaw - AZT Loop, AZ
 
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Our route went: Humphreys Summit :next: Weatherford :next: Inner Basin :next: Waterline :next: Bear Jaw :next: road walk on 9123J and then 418 :next: AZT SOBO :next: Aspen Loop back to snowbowl parking lot.

I've seen a few people post trip reports for Humphreys/Weatherford/Kachina before, but I don't recall seeing any reports for a loop on the north side of the Peaks, so I thought I'd throw this up here. It's a really fun hike, and once you're done with Humphreys, the trail is mostly downhill the rest of the way, and the uphill sections are on ridiculously easy grades (a little too easy in some parts--does the AZT need that many switchbacks???). The road walk was quiet with nice meadows nearby, and only a couple of cars passed us in maybe an hour.

Crowds were minimal (cold day in Phoenix today? Humphreys was practically dead compared to earlier trips we've done this summer), wildflowers were still out in numbers, and the butterflies were amazing. We saw hundreds if not thousands of painted ladies--I don't know if they're migrating south or they all just hatched en masse, but they were everywhere. Also, baby red squirrels, close up hummingbirds, and lots of really huge southwestern white pines. Good times.
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Wildflowers Observation Moderate
Highly variable from place to place.
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May 21 2017
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Weatherford Trail #102Flagstaff, AZ
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tl;dr: Too much snow to even make it to Doyle Saddle. I would wait at least 2-3 more weeks before trying this one.

Longer version: We got an early start, and the trailhead parking at Schulz Pass was nearly empty--that always makes me happy. Temperatures were nearly perfect all day. The Forest Service has logged (not just thinned--there are some decent-sized clearcuts) the first mile or two of the trail until you hit the wilderness area, including some big trees an snags, so that wasn't terribly attractive to walk through. Where the trail hugs the wilderness boundary, they logged right up to the edge of the trail. But thankfully they can't touch a single tree in the wilderness Area, so once you pass the Kachina Trail turnoff it's fine.

From the Wilderness Boundary up to about 10,000 feet was in good shape. There was some snow, but nothing that you couldn't just walk over. There are a few good-sized downed trees across the trail, but there's an obvious route through/around each. Once you get past the couple of open switchbacks with the nice views to the Southwest, the snow became much deeper and potentially more dangerous. There were a number of dicey spots where the snow was steeply angled and a slip would have meant a high-speed slide into the trees. And the north/east-facing portion of the final long switchback below the saddle is almost completely snow covered with high-angle snow.

There's an open spot with a nice view on the final long switchback, and we decided to make that our turnaround point--it looked like there was a lot more high-angle snow ahead, which we didn't want to deal with. On the way down, we went off-trail to bypass the uppermost five or six switchbacks and avoid most of the snow.

So, if you are thinking about doing this one, I would wait a few weeks. I was okay on the ascent without poles or any traction devices, but the descent would be a lot scarier because there are places where you'll be going down very steep snowdrifts. Microspikes would probably help, though they're not super effective on really mushy snow, and with warm weather coming, that's what you'll get after early morning.
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Apr 10 2017
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Hangover loop plus a hike to the rim, AZ 
Hangover loop plus a hike to the rim, AZ
 
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We did the Hangover/Munds Wagon loop and added on a hike up to the rim via the Munds Wagon and Schnebly Hill trails. The Hangover Trail was terrific, and we had it mostly to ourselves. I really enjoyed walking along all of the seeps in the sandstone on the north side--it was kind of like walking in half of a slot canyon.

I'm surprised that there are so few trip reports for the Schenbly Hill Trail up to the rim. The grades on the upper part of the Munds Wagon trail and the Schebly hill are nice and easy, and the views get better as you climb. We found an awesome lunch spot on the rim. No hyperbole--the views from the upper part of the Schnebly Hill trail are the best I've seen in the entire Sedona area. I've complained before that too many of the trails that reach the Rim around Sedona are annoyingly steep (or badly maintained...or eroded..or excessively brushy...or all of the above). No complaints bout this one--smooth sailing the entire way.

If you're doing the Hangover loop, think about adding on the hike to the rim. It's totally worth it!
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Lots of flowers--I'm sure we saw at least 30 species blooming.
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Mar 26 2017
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Elden Heart loop, AZ 
Elden Heart loop, AZ
 
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A nice, crowd-free day on Mount Elden. The Elden trail is nearly clear of snow up to the saddle--just a couple of the usual spots. From the saddle to the lookout tower was covered in packed snow and ice. Going up wasn't a problem; coming down I'd want poles or a traction device. We roadwalked over to the Sunset Trail, and that trail was ~99% snow-covered to the Heart Trail turnoff. There were tracks to follow, but some of the tracks went the wrong way (we've done this one a zillion times, so we knew where to go). Poles were useful; microspikes wouldn't be necessary I think. The Heart Trail was pretty snowy up top but clear further down. The snowy parts were melting fast and were not a problem.
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Feb 13 2017
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Bell Courthouse Chicken Hog Chapel yadda Loop, AZ 
Bell Courthouse Chicken Hog Chapel yadda Loop, AZ
 
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We appropriated @The_Eagle 's loop hike around Courthouse Butte, Bell Rock, etc. ( [ gps route ] ), lopped off the climb to Cathedral Rock, replaced the Bell Rock summit with some scrambling and getting cliffed out lower down, and had a really nice hike. The northernmost section, including the Hog Heaven and High on the Hog trails, was sensational and should not be missed (unfortunately, every mountain biker in Sedona seems to feel the same way). The unmarked trail over to Rabbit Ears is sweet and seems to be little-used, and we saw a couple of nice potential campsites (if camping is even allowed here).

This was our first hike in Sedona in 2017, and we have instituted a new "no hiking in Sedona on weekends" policy. To us, weekends in Sedona are even worse than weekends in Flagstaff (I read somewhere that Sedona tourist visits have tripled in the last 10 years). But this area was still busy on a Monday! We must have seen at least 2 or 3 dozen bikers on the "Hog" trails and around the Chapel and Llama trails plus dozens more hikers throughout the day. I can't even imagine the ungodly crowds that must be there on weekends. So, my advice is: don't even think about this area for a weekend. And probably best to come on the worst weather day that you can imagine hiking in--that might keep the crowds down (but probably not).

If anyone is thinking of backpacking here, there is water in potholes here and there throughout the area, especially in the washes.
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Manzanita starting up. Saw a couple of other species of wildflower either flowering or getting ready.
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Jan 08 2017
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Solider Pass Brins Mesa Loop, AZ 
Solider Pass Brins Mesa Loop, AZ
 
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We had a nice morning on the Soldier Pass Brins Mesa loop. We went clockwise from the Soldier Pass trailhead, which is definitely the easier direction to go. With an early start, we hardly saw anyone and had the high overlook on Brins Mesa to ourselves (BTW, this is not to be missed--fantastic view!). The falls were running a bit, and there were rivulets of water running over the slickrock off and on throughout the hike.

When we got to the bottom of the descent off the south end of Brins Mesa, we decided that we hadn't worked hard enough today. So, we climbed to the top again and then went down one more time. Other hikers we passed thought we were crazy--they're probably right. The last couple of miles to the trailhead had a lot of traffic. As a bonus, an adult bald eagle flew directly over the car on 89A on the way back to Flagstaff.

Fun hike! Go early if you want to avoid the crowds.
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Dec 24 2016
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Tonto Trail: Grandview Trail to South KaibabNorthwest, AZ
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Being both heathens and scrooges, the wife and I decided to disappear into the Canyon for a few days over the weekend. This was our first trip on the Grandview and our first extended walk on the Tonto. We loved both of them!

Grandview was terrific--a bit icy but no problem with Microspikes. We made it to the end of Horseshoe Mesa before the storm really hit. But then we had cold rain for the last few miles to Cottonwood. Luckily, we've dealt with cold rain plenty of times on our thru hikes, so we didn't have any trouble. We pitched the tent, changed into warm clothes, spent a few hours reading, cooked dinner in our tarp vestibule, and managed to stay nice and warm despite the hours of constant cold rain outside.

Amazingly, despite the rain continuing well into Saturday night, we woke to an xmas miracle on Sunday--a dry tarp! Thank you, gusty winds that blew our tarp around all night. The Tonto was great, especially the area around Grapevine, and we really enjoyed the walking all day. The snow level was down to around 5,000, which was nice to see without being in it. We camped at Lone Tree, which is technically part of the Cremation use area now. Unfortunately, the super short daylight hours didn't give us any time to explore the canyons we crossed. We're saving that for another trip.

Total sightings on the Grandview and Tonto: 5 mule deer, 7 bighorn sheep, 0 people. That's just the ratio of wildlife to human sightings that we prefer.

The lower part of South Kaibab was a muddy, gross mess, and I swore to myself that I will never hike that trail again shortly after a storm. The upper part was mostly packed snow, no ice yet. But this was just 2 days after the storm. We didn't need use the Microspikes on the way up, but you might think about traction devices if you're planning a trip here in the near future--it will be icy soon enough. Anyway, we made great time on the way out...until the trailhead. The bus and the visitors' center parking lot were absolutely mobbed, and it took us 15 minutes just to get from our parking spot to the park road! I guess Boxing Day is prime time for park visits.

Anyway, a great time, and we'll be back soon.

(FYI: note that our water reports were all from immediately after two big, wet storms.)

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There were pools visible below the trail on the way down there.

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Good flow. Great tasting water.

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Saw a few pools downstream from the crossing on the way down.

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Decent flow at the trail crossing.

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Plenty of good pools to get water from. There was some flow in places.
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Dec 03 2016
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Hermit Trail - Grand CanyonNorthwest, AZ
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We did an overnighter on the Hermit Trail to Hermit Rapids. We were the only ones at the rapids, and the stars were just fantastic once the moon went down. Really loved the walk down Hermit Creek. On the hike out, the only section that wore us down was the ascent through the Coconino Sandstone--that sucked (though the fossilized lizard tracks were awesome). Everything else, including the Cathedral Stairs, was no big deal. The rapid temperature changes--from the 60s in the sun to the 40s or lower in the shady spots--were interesting. But overall this was a great time to be down there. I would not want to do the last part of the climb in anything much warmer than what we had (50ish degrees).

We took Microspikes with us but never needed them. There are a few short sections of packed snow. Nothing has turned to ice yet (don't know if that will change soon or not).

If you go all the way to the rapids, there is good trail for probably 80% or more of the way down the canyon. There are cairns at most stream crossings or questionable spots. The trail gets pretty faint in the willows right near the river, but you can always just walk down the streambed if you have trouble.

Great time to be out in the Canyon!

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Trough was full and clear and covered with some ice.
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Nov 06 2016
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Horton Promontory See Highline Derrick Loop, AZ 
Horton Promontory See Highline Derrick Loop, AZ
 
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tl,dr: A fun, scenic, relatively easy overnighter in an area we'd never visited before.

The route, more or less: [ gps route ] (h/t to @fricknaley)

Longer report: We'd been wanting to see why so many people hike Horton Creek, so we decided to do an overnighter that incorporated the Derrick-Horton loop, Promontory Butte, and See Canyon. This was one of our more enjoyable backpacking trips in Arizona so far, and we managed to time it so that we only saw a few people.

We started up Horton Creek early on Sunday. There were a lot of people heading back out after camping, so we patted ourselves on the back for doing our trip on Sunday night instead of Saturday (hooray for flex work schedules). Horton Springs was great, and the water was delicious.

The Highline Trail over to Promontory was a steep, pointless rollercoaster. After reading previous triplogs, I was expecting the Promontory Trail to be a Level III Shitstorm. Wrong! It's just a steep trail and a bit overgrown in places. I would not want to hike down that trail, but even with 4 L of water apiece, we didn't have much trouble. Someone else's triplog said that you wouldn't want to backpack this trail. Meh, if you're fit and you're not carrying a 50-pound pack, it's fine. We loved the fantastic views from the Promontory trail whenever we stopped to catch our breath.

Once up top, we were dismayed to run into car campers immediately. But we wandered as far from the road as we could get and found a nice flat spot about 20 feet back from the Rim and with a fantastic viewpoint a stone's throw away. We watched the sun set over the Mazzies and settled in for a 40ish-degree night.

Monday morning, we were up before sunrise to get the road walk out of the way. We passed one hunter in an ATV--which was a little strange since deer and elk season ended the day before. Then it was down See Canyon, which we enjoyed except for a few unnecessarily steep sections of trail. I always enjoy the big Douglas firs and white pines you get in canyons along the Rim. The Highline Trail from the See Canyon TH to the Derrick Trail must have been new tread, because that is a fantastic and easy section of trail, very unlike other parts of the Highline we've done. Kudos to the FS and whoever realigned that section. The Derrick trail was nothing special, and soon enough we were back at the car.

This was a really enjoyable hike, we were thrilled to have two separate sources of great water to take from. We saw a bear along the rim (going straight down the cliffs, somehow), elk scat so big I thought it must be from a moose, and a lot of playful ravens along the rim. Good times.

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Great water.

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We didn't actually go to this spring, but the creek was flowing no more than a half mile downcanyon from here.
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Oct 29 2016
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Door to Door Flagstaff, AZ 
Door to Door Flagstaff, AZ
 
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We fulfilled a long-time goal by going backpacking this weekend without ever getting into our car or any other vehicle.

On Saturday morning, we walked a couple of miles from our house to the Flagstaff Loop Trail, took the loop trail to the intersection with AZT #33, hiked down to Fisher Point, and then north on AZT passage 31 to a nice spot overlooking Walnut Canyon. It probably hit 35 overnight, which was a little cold for my "32-degree" summer bag (currently more like 40 degrees), but the stars were fantastic. That you can see the milky way a couple of miles outside of Flagstaff is just amazing.

The next morning, we went a mile or so cross country to pick up the loop trail and took that all the way back home. We probably saw 20 elk, including a huge male. There's no hunting north/west of Walnut Canyon, and I'm sure the elk are smart enough to know this--you don't see them in this area in the spring or summer.

This was a super pleasant, ridiculously easy trip, with great weather, lots of big trees, and hardly any people--just a few bikers on the loop trail. We already scouted out a better campsite for our next door-to-door trip up here.

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I'm not sure what "Dry Tank" is, but there's a guzzler just west of this location, south of the Loop Trail (and perfectly visible from the trail). Water was very cloudy--we didn't take any. But the tank was mostly full.

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Plenty of water, and pretty clear except for the floaties. It tasted like flowers (maybe because of all the bees in the water?) but was totally drinkable.

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Just a muddy spot.
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Oct 16 2016
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Winter Cabin - Dorsey - Kelsey Loop, AZ 
Winter Cabin - Dorsey - Kelsey Loop, AZ
 
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Beautiful day to be in Sycamore Canyon. We started at Dorsey Spring trailhead, took Hog Hill over to Winter Cabin, stopped briefly at "Ott Lake," went down to Sycamore Canyon, goofed around in the canyon, took Winter Cabin back up, and then took Kelsey Spring over to Dorsey Spring to make a loop of sorts. Only saw one person all day. No aspens, but the Gambel's oak are gold all over (or maybe brown if you don't see the beauty in Gambel's oaks).

Our only complaint is that the lowest mile or two of the Winter Cabin trail is kind of a piece of pumpkin-super steep, bad tread, very brushy, with lots of scrub oak over the trail, and agaves, yuccas, and prickly pear encroaching, too. My wife has a nice big stain on her shoe now from blood running down her leg. Wear pants and long sleeves if you're thinking of doing Winter Cabin.

Quick driving note: FR231 and FR538 are in great shape, and we had no trouble at all in our little car. We parked at the turnoff for the trailhead, where 538 and 538E meet. If you're very careful, a low-clearance vehicle could probably make it down 538E to the turnoff for the tank but probably not the last few hundred yards to the trailhead. But if you park right at the intersection of 538 and 538E, it's about a quarter mile of easy cross-country walking to the trail.

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Great water from the pipe coming out at about a liter per minute.

dry Ott Lake Dry Dry
Nothing but flowers (and grass).

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Plenty of water in the pools, but it was full of floaties and kind of rank. We would've skipped it, but we were out of water when we pulled in there. Bring a filter and some Crystal Lite or Gatorade powder if you're going to drink from here.
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Oct 02 2016
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Loy Canyon and Secret Mountain, AZ 
Loy Canyon and Secret Mountain, AZ
 
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We went up Loy Canyon to Secret Mountain and then 3ish miles past the cabin to a really nice overlook into Boynton Canyon. We would've gone to the end of the Secret Mountain trail, but the skies looked threatening, and the top of the rim isn't a great place to be in a thunderstorm. Didn't see a soul all day.

I noticed that some of the triplogs for this hike had people stopping at the cabin. Why anyone would stop at that ugly wreckage when there are terrific views less than a mile beyond is, well, beyond me.

There were several small to medium-sized pools of water in the little drainage you walk through just north of the cabin.

The road in was a little bumpy but fine for our little 2WD car. We got a good laugh at passing the tourists on the "off road" jeep tours on the way out.
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In the canyon, there were lots and lots of asters and some sort of yellow daisy that I need to key out. There were even some flowers still up on the mountain.
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The Inner Basin-Waterline Y, AZ 
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The original plan was Inner Basin to Humphreys and back. But even before we pulled into Lockett Meadow at 545am (sorry if we woke anyone up--that's the breaks when you car camp, I guess), the winds were howling. And this was on the lee side of the peak. By the first switchback above Freemont Saddle, we were nearly getting knocked over by gusts over 40 mph. We turned tail and headed back down to Inner Basin. I'll be curious to hear if anyone summited Humphreys at all today. Every time I looked up there, I didn't see anyone.

To make it a real hike, we added a side trip up the Waterline Rd. to the top of Abineau. That's a really pleasant hike. It's mostly viewless, but the grades are super easy, and we saw lots of flowers, butterflies, hummingbirds, big trees, etc. Other than a handful of Abineau-Bear Jaw loopers, we only saw 3 bikers in 10+ miles on the Waterline. It's worth a trip if you enjoy easy hikes through nice woods.
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The last time I did Inner Basin was 2005, and there were WAY MORE sneeezeweeds back then. What happened to them all? Too early?
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Hannagan Meadow Grant/KP Creek LoopAlpine, AZ
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I can't decide whether to wholeheartedly recommend this one or to suggest you stay away until the trail gets cleared up. I guess it just depends on your tolerance of bushwhacking, downed trees, burned over landscapes, and beautiful, remote, lush country. Anyway...

At the last minute on Friday we decided we needed to get away from the throngs of people who come up to Flagstaff every holiday weekend. There was only one post-Wallow-Fire triplog for this hike, but we figured things can't have gotten too much worse in 2 years, right?

We got a late start on Saturday and pulled into the trailhead at 3pm. There were no other cars--on a holiday weekend. This gave us a bit of trepidation. Maybe they knew something we didn't? Oh well, we were committed. We took off down the Foote Creek Trail, which was in okay shape--a bit overgrown with a number of blowdowns to go around. There were patches of healthy and burned forest, and we each got "thistled" a few times, but no major issues.

At P Bar "Lake," we turned off onto the Grant Creek Trail. As soon as we dropped below the ridgeline, the locust and raspberries got thick, and we had to zip on our pants legs. This area burned well, and the brush was dense in places, with some blowdowns, too. No trouble following the trail, but it was slow, thorny work. There were some beautiful views of the mountains east of the Blue River. We hiked up the Gila River and the mountains north of there on the CDT a few years back, and it was really great to see this area from the "other side."

Whoever recorded the official route for this hike took a side trip on the Grant Cabin Shortcut Trail (306) down to Grant Creek to get water. We lucked out and found a trickle of very clear water running where the Grant Creek Trail crossed the bottom of the drainage it follows. I wouldn't count on this water in dry times, but we were hiking shortly after all of those June rains. We camped in one of the nice stands of non-burned ponderosas near Paradise Park and hardly slept at all due to the freight train winds roaring through the treetops.

The next morning, we continued following the Grant Creek trail down...finally hitting Grant Creek after passing through mostly unburned ponderosas and PJ. Grant Creek had a good flow, and the valley bottom was lush, with lots of flowers and birds. In the valley, the trail was hard to follow in places, though we always managed to pick it up fairly quickly when we lost it. The valley is a patchwork of burned and unburned spots, with a good number of blowdowns to go over or around and some brushy spots. As we went further downstream, we saw more and more cow signs. In their infinite wisdom, the Forest Service seems to have decided that the letting cows eat the grass and trample the soils is somehow going to help the area to recover from the fire. Oy. But to their credit, the Forest Service has recently logged out the lowest 1-2 miles of the Grant Creek trail (though it looked like new trees had fallen since the trail work was done).

We hit the Blue "River," which was maybe 3 inches deep, around noon. Knowing that a roadwalk was in store, we'd brought our umbrellas, which were lifesavers on this hot day. Next came the long, hot slog up the Steeple Trail. I really have nothing good to say about this trail. The lower part was hot and exposed. The upper part, along KP and Steeple Mesa, was 100% burned over. I think we went over 4 miles at one point without seeing a living tree near the trail. And the route of this trail is absolutely moronic--the trail follows an old road and a fenceline the entire way. There is a beautiful canyon just west of the trail, but you almost never see it, just the fence. USFS should take advantage of the fire to relocate the trail to have some views and avoid the fence. The trail was mostly clear of brush and logs, but that was some pretty pointless hiking.

After seeing more dead trees than I ever hope to see again, we finally turned onto the KP trail that would take us most of the way back to US 191. The 5 or 6 miles from the Steeple Trail to KP creek itself were a very, very tough slog. The area is completely burned over, and the trail is invisible for much of the way, having succumbed to erosion and brush. There were some huge blowdowns to clamber over, too. Even with the GPS track (and very good navigational skills), we lost the trail as often as we found it. And the trail sections we did find were covered in waist-high brush a lot of the way. This was 1-1.5 mph territory for the most part.

We finally hit the creek around 7 pm, hoping to find a beautiful, unburned campsite. No such luck! Just more difficult and occluded trail. Thankfully, about a half mile of semi-bushwhacking later, we found a little flat spot and an old fire ring. Home for the night. The display of stars that evening was phenomenal, but we were too tired to notice much after the long day.

Day 3 started early (the goal was to get home in time to make our traditional post-backpacking pizza for dinner). We followed KP Creek upstream for almost the remainder of the hike. It's a really beautiful little valley--nice flow, steep, v-shaped walls, lots of birds and flowers. The trail was very difficult to follow early on and got better as we gained elevation and the burn intensity seemed to decrease. Still, the trail exacted its toll--I managed to snap my carbon-fiber hiking pole in half, and my wife fell backwards off of a huge log into the stream. But there were also nice stretches of trail above the stream and lush vegetation. We finally climbed out of the valley and did the easy (and very quiet--almost no traffic) roadwalk back to the car. The FS has sawed through most of the logs in the last couple of miles of trail before you get to the road.

If you've read this far, it's probably obvious why you shouldn't do this hike. Why do it? Solitude--we didn't see a single person in three days on trail (we did pass 2 people and 1 car on the Blue River roadwalk). Wildlife--I got within 10 feet of a coyote and 20 feet of a vulture. Judging from the scat and tracks, there is a VERY healthy predator population in this area. Scenery--lots of dramatic topography, especially in the lower elevations. Flowers--Grant Creek and especially KP Creek were crazy with flowers. I wasn't keeping a list, but I'd be surprised if we saw fewer than 50 species in bloom.

If you go, give yourself lots of time. We usually hike well over 3 mph, even while backpacking. This was almost completely sub-2 mph territory.
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Tons of flowers along the streams, good numbers elsewhere.
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Kachina Trail to Doyle Saddle, AZ 
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We wanted to hike on the Weatherford Trail, but the lower end is closed for logging (thanks, Forest Service!). So, we started at the ski area parking lot, hiked down the Kachina Trail, and then went up the Weatherford to Doyle Saddle. Back the same way we went.

Both trails are clear except for a few blowdowns. There were a few small patches of snow on the Weatherford, nothing remotely problematic.

Looking uphill from Doyle Saddle, there is still a lot of snow on the Weatherford Trail. It will probably be a few more weeks until you can hike to Freemont Saddle or beyond unless you are comfortable with high-angle snow traverses.
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Too early for flowers that high up. We didn't see more than a handful all day.
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Cabin Loop - Mogollon RimPayson, AZ
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We did a figure 8 on the Cabin Loop as an overnighter. Really enjoyed the lush forests. Could've lived without the road walk. If you're into birds, this must be one of the best places in Arizona to see red-faced warblers--those guys are awesome.

There was lots of water in the canyon bottoms. Clearest and easiest to get south of Pinchot Cabin and in Dane and Barbershop Canyons on the U-bar Trail. Where the Barbershop trail crosses the same two canyons, the water was very cloudy.

I'm sure no one from the Forest Service ever visits this site, but I'm going to make a suggestion anyway: close a nice, scenic stretch of the Rim Road and designate it for non-motorized recreation only. It's a crying shame that there is nowhere east of I-17 where you can just hike on the rim without having to dodge trucks and ATVs and their dust clouds. Forests are for hikers, too.
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Some nice patches of violets and pine thermposis here and there.

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There were a few pools where you could get water. It was easier to get it further north on the trail.

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Plenty of water in the canyon along the trail.

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Flowing well where the trail crosses the streambed.
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Mazatzal Peak LoopPayson, AZ
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We were both feeling a little under the weather (migraine for her, cold for me), so we decided to take it easy with a quick overnighter on the Barnhardt-AZT-Y Bar loop. This was our first Mazzies trip. Great scenery, tons of wildflowers, lots of new birds arriving. We went up Barnhardt, over to Chilson camp to check it out and then S on the AZT to Bear Spring where we camped. There is a stretch of bad brush on the AZT about halfway between the Y Bar and Barnhardt Trails. Otherwise, nothing terrible on the loop itself. Bad (to terrible) tread throughout kept our pace a lot slower than average, but we enjoyed the trip.

We started a side trip down the Sandy Pass Trail but turned around after a quarter mile because the trail was almost completely grown over with manzanita and oak.

Water reports are updated. There was also running water just below the AZT about 1/2 mile N of the intersection with the Barnhardt.
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Tons of wildflowers lower down, decent numbers up high. Manzanita is peaking right now.

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Not really flowing but plenty of water in the pool. And lots of squiggly little worms and bugs, too!

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Over a quart a minute near the trail.

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A trickle, and it looked kind of gross. Use Bear Spring or the stream between the Barnhardt trail and Chilson camp on the AZT instead.
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Hot / Jacks LoopSedona, AZ
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We day-hiked the Hot Loop / Jack's Canyon loop. Despite the FS signs saying that we would die if we did the whole thing, we managed to survive.

Thumbs up to:
-Almost all of the Hot Loop.
-Views from the top of Munds Mountain.
-The lower part of Jack's Canyon where the terrain opens up.

Thumbs down to:
-The upper part of the Jack's Canyon trail. This must be the most eroded trail I have ever seen--the trail had cut down 6 feet below the surrounding terrain in places. Except for a couple of waterbars that had blown out near the saddle, I saw no evidence that the FS has ever done anything to control erosion here.
-The 1/4 mile on the Hot Loop just before Schnebly Hill. Badly overgrown--ripped my shirt open.

Enjoyed the flowers and some of the views, but I don't think we'd do this one again.
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Tons of flowers at the lower elevations. Moderate display up on the mesa tops.
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We did a nice long loop of sorts around Mt. Elden (no idea how long--we don't really care). I'll just summarize conditions by trail:

Elden Lookout - Nice and dry; almost no snow except two small patches. Feel free to hike in your dress shoes, flip-flops, or blue suede shoes if you want.

Sunset Trail - There is still lots of snow between the intersection of the Elden Lookout Trail and the road. We road walked from the top of the mountain and picked up the trail on the snow-free ridge to the west. Once you enter the trees, there is patchy snow for a few miles, and then the last mile or so to Schultz Tank is almost continuous snow. No trouble with navigation or walking. Snow was solid in the morning, posthole-y (is that a word?) in the afternoon.

Little Elden Trail between Schultz Tank and Little Bear trail: lots of snow, mostly solid.

Little Bear Trail: So, there are signs at either end saying you may encounter blowdowns and washed out trail. Hiking up from the bottom, we only saw a few blowdowns, and they were no problem. The real trouble was that the upper end of the trail is still completely snow covered in a few places on very steep slopes. We bypassed the first obstacle by going down into a gully. The second snow-covered slope was steeper and much longer. We decided that the easiest thing to do was go off trail, straight up the ridge and pick up the Sunset Trail north of the intersection with the Little Bear. Not easy but not too challenging. If anyone is thinking of doing this trail--wait a few more weeks for the snow to melt! (A quick rant: it's been 6 years since the Schultz fire, and the Forest Service still hasn't finished rehabilitating this trail! Unacceptable!)

Heart Trail/Christmas Tree Trail: nice and dry. We got a good look at a northern pygmy-owl on the way down.
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Saw a few phlox on the Heart Trail. Way, way more butterflies than flowers are out now! The early spring here has thrown off the butterflies' timing (thanks, climate change).

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Quite full. Actually looked pretty clean.
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We did a quick overnighter and turned the loop into a 20-mile out and back. For how easy this trail is, it's a real gem. The trail is in good shape, mostly dried out and with plenty of water available at Dow Spring and Pomeroy Tanks. Water in the Pomeroy Tanks area is high but you can easily do all crossings with dry feet.

Some idiots left a fire burning at Sycamore Vista. We dumped all of our water on it and had to go another hour before we found more.

The one bummer was that the Kaibab NF has done a bunch of logging between the upper end of Pomeroy Tanks and the middle part of KA Hill (that's logging, not thinning--when you are cutting 2' wide trees, any pretense of "improving" the forest is lost). They built a big log landing directly on the trail and a bunch of roads right alongside. Maybe they could've respected the trail by keeping that stuff away a bit?
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Saw our first spring beauties of the year.

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Mostly full, but brown.

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Lots of water in the canyon.

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Plenty of water, covering the trail in places. Looks a little cloudy but tasted fine.
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