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Crest Trail #270 - Barfoot Park Rd to Jct Sdl - 10 members in 27 triplogs have rated this an average 4.3 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Sep 27 2024
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Snowshed & Greenhouse LoopTucson, AZ
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1st trip
I had the opportunity to get away for an overnight, and I've been wanting to try the east side of the Chiricahuas for a long time. The stars aligned and off I went!

I had planned on being at the trailhead by 10 on Friday, but things didn't work out and I got out of town late. For some reason I didn't want to drive to Herb Martyr campground with a battery that was mostly dead (as in, slightly alive). So I stopped to get a new one on the way out of town.

I started hiking from Herb Martyr just before noon. My goal was to reach Aspen Saddle to camp, which is about the halfway point on the Snowshed/Greenhouse loop.

Herb Martyr Trail
This trail was in pretty good shape. The weekend I went was a major heatwave with the valleys reaching 105; it was probably in the low 80s when I started hiking. The middle section of Herb Martyr follows an exposed ridge and man was it toasty. I hiked like a lizard, zipping between shady spots. The latter half of the trail was a super steep climb, but it was treed and therefore more tolerable. It got a little overgrown close to the junction with Snowshed, and erosion has definitely been taking its toll on tread quality up there.

Snowshed Trail
At the trail junction with Snowshed, the sign for Herb Martyr was missing. Well, pieces of it were here and there, but nothing legible. The Snowshed sign, however, was in perfect condition.

Snowshed was in fabulous condition from the junction with Herb Martyr until after just after Pine Park. This amounted to about 1/8 mile of piney greatness. The remainder of the trail to the Crest alternated between exposed scree and a bushwhack through overgrown shrubbery of various persuasions, and not all friendly. Between loose rocks and dense overgrowth the trail was a little treacherous in places. Nonetheless the trail was followable, until the approach to Snowshed Saddle where it pretty much disappeared. Pink flagging tape at the saddle was helpful.

Snowshed needs love, a lot of love. But it's worthy, with pretty incredible views along its length that just get better as you go.

I definitely underestimated how the heat and the challenging trail would slow me down. I didn't make it to the Crest and Juniper Spring until about 6pm, which was sunset. I didn't have time to collect water, hike the 3/4 mile or so to Aspen Saddle, and pitch a tent before dark. I was also pretty tired, and Juniper Saddle was gorgeous. So I collected water at the spring and hiked to a flat spot on the ridge below, carpeted with wildflowers and featuring a stunning view of Rucker Canyon.

While setting up camp I realized that I thought I had packed my tent, poles, and ground sheet, but instead had packed my rain fly, poles, and ground sheet. No tent. Whoops. So I had to cowboy camp on a perfectly temperate, cloudless, moonless night staring at a blanket of stars. I regretted packing the poles and rain fly more than I regretted forgetting the tent!

I woke very well rested to a stunning panorama of Rucker Canyon, totally stoked that I didn't make it to Aspen Saddle.

Juniper Spring
See my water report.

Crest 270C
At first the trail was very, very faint but followable. It was almost gone south of Eagle Spring. Between Eagle Spring and Aspen saddle it was still faint but followable. From Aspen to Junction it was easy to follow but overgrown, with about four downed trees across it.

This stretch of the Crest is probably my favorite because of the views into Rucker Canyon. I look forward to the time when it gets the restoration work it deserves.

Eagle Spring
See my water report.

Crest 270A
It was a freakin’ superhighway! Lots of recent tread work really shines and even the overgrown parts are easy.

The area from Junction Saddle to Cima Park had burned really badly so it was basically a steeply sloped meadow of wildflowers and tree skeletons, some of them rather spooky. I've always thought of this stretch as the Halloween Trail.

Just south of Cima Park is a stand of aspens, which were turning at the time I passed through. It was really pretty.

Anita Park
The spur trail had a shiny new sign! The trail to Anita Park was overgrown but followable without trouble. I just went to check out Anita Park, which was tall grass and standing dead trees. I sat down on a log in the midst of an aspen stand, ate a snack, and cleared the stickers and seeds out of my shoes. This was a process I repeated many times on this trip.

I decided not to bother hunting for Anita Spring since there was so much overgrowth everywhere. Mental note: when hiking the Chiricahuas in late summer, wear gaiters and bring a machete.

Greenhouse Trail
I stopped at the cabin for lunch and to take advantage of the outhouse. The outhouse was being converted into an unsanctioned rodent hotel; there was a broom inside which I used for demolition purposes.

Greenhouse was in great shape in the forested section till you get to the creek, then things get dicey. Through the creek the trail was hard to follow at times, with lots of overgrowth and obstacles around creek crossings. Lots of water to collect though! And fall colors to enjoy!

Conditions improved as the trail left the creek only in the "easy to follow" department, but not in the "wildly overgrown" one. The tread was loose rock in the burn scars. Some of the overgrowth was pretty gnarly. It was consistently overgrown all the way to the road, but down in Greenhouse Canyon it was mostly grass. There was some deadfall, but only one large tree down near Greenhouse creek gave any trouble.

Winn Falls was not flowing much, it was more Winn Trickle. The views were pretty great nonetheless.

The last 1.5 was a road walk. At least it wasn’t overgrown.

This was what I would call a "real" Chiricahua experience. Neither Snowshed nor Greenhouse trails had seen much or any maintenance in recent years, and both have been pretty majorly affected by fire. I expected this to be a tough hike. While the hike was pretty challenging it was definitely worth doing. I hope these trails get some attention, as they are great trails to access the Crest from the Portal side.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Light
The aspens are starting to turn. There are some nice splashes of red and yellow throughout the area, but especially on the Crest near Cima Saddle and along the creek in Cima Canyon. Fairly sporadic along Snowshed trail as well.
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Wildflowers Observation Moderate
Yard-high daisies everywhere, even down the middle of most of the trails! Bring a machete.

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Nice sign but trail down to it is faint and hard to discern if you don’t know where to go. Just hike down the slippery rocks toward the pine tree off to the right (facing the sign) and down the hill a bit. The spring is northwest of the tree.

Overflow is full but slimy with algae. Cover for the spring box is about 1/3 buried with rock and gravel. The spring is useable if you don’t mind clearing out slimy gook.

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Overflow trough and tank not useful. A concrete dam is holding water a bit uphill. Water is seeping out around it, making the ground a little muddy. Water in reservoir is shallow but still deep enough to submerge a small water bottle. Filters great if you're careful to keep the cruddies out; useable spring.

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Even if the flow is great, how this is a water source is beyond me. It is impossible to get to from the trail. Jetpack? There was a trickle of water dribbling down the cliff, so I'm not sure you could really call it a waterfall at this time.
 
Aug 31 2024
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Rustler Park to Cima Cabin, AZ 
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Went car camping with the family for the holiday weekend, staying at Rustler Park. For a holiday weekend, it was pretty quiet.

On Saturday I hiked the Crest to Cima Cabin, hoping to see that the Forest Service had fixed the roof since last year. They hadn’t, but they had replaced all the trail signs. That was nice! The signs were so new they were shiny… as shiny as wood can be.

I love hiking the Crest in August. The wildflowers are out of control and so are the raspberries. I’ve determined that the bears in the Chiricahuas are slackers, as there were so many raspberries just falling off the bushes. I helped lots fall into my mouth and into a zip top bag.

I still had room for lunch, which I ate at the cabin. I collected water from the creek, and it was delicious.

On the way back I picked up a free shirt. It was wet and full of holes, which probably explains the price tag.
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Wildflowers Observation Substantial

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Didn’t bother with the spring box, just collected from the creek. Very clear, cool, and tasty.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Most of the water is trickling into the overflow and there’s plenty of clean water in there to scoop and filter. Lifting the lid on the spring box isn’t worth the effort.
 
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Last month I got to go up Saulsbury into the Chiricahuas for the first time in 25 years, and now I got to do it again!

My friend Corey wasn't able to go with us in August, so he asked to go in September. We did a similar circuit starting in West Turkey Creek, ascending Saulsbury Thursday, spending two nights at Cima Cabin, and descending Morse Canyon this time instead of Pole Bridge. On Friday we did a day hike to Centella Point and summited Flys Peak.

Saulsbury Trail #263

See my August triplog for a more detailed description. Notable changes this time were: no more water in the creek, and somebody cleared the thicket of locust trees that we had to crawl through before. I'd brought some clippers this time but didn't need them!

Crest Trail #270, Greenhouse Trail #248, Cima Cabin

Not much different to report since last month, though I missed the sign for Greenhouse Trail because I was looking on the ground, and someone had hung it back up on a tree using cord. You can't miss it unless you are expecting it to be lying on the ground. :)

Lots more rodent activity in the outhouse, with piles of nesting material accumulating on a nightly basis. BYOTP.

Booger Spring

We took a side trip to Booger Spring so I could show Corey where it was. The trail is totally clear and free of deadfall; I hadn't been through in a while; last time I was there I remember quite a bit of deadfall. It was nice not having to scramble over giant tree trunks. At the spring, as predicted the box was full. What I didn't expect was the overflow trough to have water in it, too. I stand by my estimation that Booger Spring is the best of the Crest.

Bear Wallow #333

I guess someone must have taken all the deadfall from Booger Spring trail and moved it to Bear Wallow. Last time I was on Bear Wallow there was no deadfall and it was clear the whole way. Now, just past Bear Wallow Spring moving toward Centella, there are many large downed trees covering the trail. Pink flagging tape marks the route, but don't go this way unless you're fit enough to scramble over a series of giant trunks.

Bear Wallow spring was full, though no flow across the trail as I've seen in the past. Every time I've been by here the lid is off; I left it as I found it.

Centella Trail #334

This is a really nice trail. I'd been on it once in the past to Centella Point. The leg east of Bear Wallow junction is quite lovely and varied, with patches of meadow, young forest, old forest, aspen groves... all punctuated with impressive views, especially to the south. The trail is in good shape with a few exceptions; minor deadfall here and there (nothing you can't step over), and one stretch through a meadow where the trail disappears in the wildflowers and grass. The aspens around Centella Point have definitely grown since I was last there, and the views are starting to get obstructed to the east and northeast. From the grassy clearing though you get a nice panorama to the south, southeast, and southwest. It's a great view.

On our return we took Centella to Flys Park. This is a cool, shady stroll through a densely vegetated tunnel of aspens and remnant old growth pine. There is an unmarked drainage about halfway between the Bear Wallow junction and Flys Park that had water flow and a useful pool by the trail. Tub Spring is a bit further west but was less useful.

Flys Peak Trail #337

After a brief debate about returning to Cima via the Crest or Flys Peak, we settled on the climb to Flys Peak. It was a bit of a workout but not too bad. Like Centella, the trail up from Flys Park is mostly a hike through an aspen tunnel, though the peak is still pine forest. There is a nice campsite, the foundation of an old lookout tower, and a log book. There are also lots of fascinating gnarly old trees and a halfway decent view to the west. We passed a couple hikers from Apache Junction on the way up, and chatted with them a bit when they met us at the summit.

We descended the south slope, which was badly burned. The trail is in good condition and easier to follow than I remember from a past trip. The trail does completely disappear in the last couple hundred feet as it enters Round Park, but you can see the sign and just walk toward it. It seems finding the trail headed up from Round Park might be a bit more difficult.

Crest Trail #270B

The only notable difference about this leg between my August trip and this one, is that the crime scene I discovered over a month prior was still there. That was a big disappointment, since I had reported it to the Forest Service who then reported it to law enforcement. Corey had a large enough trash bag with him so we gathered it all up and I lashed it to my pack, then tried to restore the area to a more natural state.

Turtle Mountain Trail #219

We passed the only other hikers we'd see all day, a couple headed in the opposite direction.

Morse Canyon Trail #43

In August I'd hiked out Pole Bridge, but we opted for a shorter route to the car and took Morse Canyon instead. It's probably the best maintained trail I've been on in the Chiricahuas. It's also really pretty, and mostly healthy pine forest with lushly vegetated burn scars yielding raspberries in season.

We hiked the road back to the shortcut to the car, and bushwhacked the rest of the way. Saw two deer while bushwhacking.

Overall a fabulous and enjoyable trip with lovely weather, though it was windy on Saturday. Dead quiet, abundant solitude, and amazing nature.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
Aspens just starting to turn.
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Wildflowers Observation Substantial
Huge meadows of wildflowers throughout the crest. Somebody did something about the raspberries, as I only found a half dozen in 24 miles.

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Spring box is full. As always it seems, the lid is off.

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No visible flow in the drainage but there’s plenty in the spring box, clear and easy to collect. Even the overflow box had some but it’s better straight from the spring.

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Some flow and large pool to collect from. Finally found the developed spring box. It’s got water but it’s easier and cleaner in the creek.

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No more pools.

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Nothing in the tub but there is a trickle and small puddle on the trail. Not particularly easy to collect from but technically possible. There's a better spot in a drainage a ways down the trail to the east.
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For months I'd wanted to do this loop around the Chiricahuas. Well, years really. About 25 years ago I had my first backpacking trip ever, and it was up Saulsbury Trail during Spring Break with a couple college friends. We had ridiculously heavy packs by today's standards, were woefully unprepared and out of shape, started late, didn't get a weather report, got caught in a snowstorm on a windy saddle for the first night, and generally had a blast. On that trip we barely made it to Round Park on a quest to a fabled place called Booger Spring, and I don't even remember if we made it there. But that trip is what kindled my love of the Chiricahuas and of backpacking in general, and I finally had the opportunity to do a nostalgic trip up Saulsbury.

The Drive
The drive to the trailhead is mostly pretty good; Turkey Creek Road is unpaved but well-graded. It does get rocky in places with a couple creek crossings that will have water in wet times of year, but nothing a brave driver in a Honda Fit can't handle. The spur road to Saulsbury Trailhead, however, is definitely high-clearance mandatory. No trouble in my trusty old '98 CR-V (I have a 1" lift and all-terrain tires, but I think a stock Subaru and skilled driver would make it fine). I did pass an ATVer who looked very surprised to see me, which is always fun. It was very bumpy, and if it wasn't so short I'd have aired my tires down.

Saulsbury Trail
I had my friend Lisa as a partner, and we started at Saulsbury around 9am. It was pretty cloudy, and stayed cloudy all day, which was nice to keep temperatures down and mitigate the risk of a thunderstorm.

Saulsbury is a really beautiful trail and largely clear and easy to follow, with only short sections through old burn scars. The drainage in Saulsbury Canyon had a few pools and trickles here and there for the length of the canyon, though we had brought plenty of water to get us to the Crest. There were lots of ripe raspberries, too! So many, something just had to be done about them...

We did have two issues on this trail. The first was at a broad creek crossing about halfway to Saulsbury Saddle, where the trail was a bit faint and we took a wrong turn up the drainage. It took us a while to realize we were off-trail and some bushwhacking to get back on. This was more hiker error than an issue with the trail, but I did go back down to where we messed up and put up a cairn.

The second issue was higher up, above the saddle in a burn scar. The trail abruptly ended at a huge fallen tree that had slid down the mountain and taken the trail with it. There was a faint workaround that ended in a gully that had flooded and also taken the trail with it. Across the gully you could faintly see what might have been the original trail, but it was completely choked with Locust trees (which are thorny buggers). The trail conditions were so bad that we at first thought the trail may have been rerouted and we somehow missed it, but after some scouting around we realized the trail did indeed go through the thicket of Locust trees. Fortunately it wasn't a great distance before we were back in pristine old-growth pines, but we actually had to crawl on our hands and knees in places to get through. I really should bring some clippers every time I hike in the Chiricahuas, but they are so darn heavy!

Shortly after that obstacle we came to the place where I'm 90% sure I and my college friends had camped 25 years ago and got snowed on. Saulsbury is a relentless uphill slog in a heavy pack, and we had started late and pooped out before getting to the Crest that day.

The trail had changed a fair amount from my memories. When I first went it was just after the Rattlesnake Fire, and I remember seeing a lot of devastation in stretches above Saulsbury Saddle. I thought of it as "The Desolation of Smaug". Now those burned areas have largely recovered and the pine forest is returning. The trail doesn't seem to have been as badly affected by the Horseshoe II fire as other parts of the Chiricahuas.

The rest of the hike to the Crest was remarkable for its scenery and fantastic views, but not for poor trail conditions.

Round Park
The Saulsbury Trail takes you to the Crest through pine forest just north of Round Park, which is an open grassy meadow with wildflowers. It is recovering from the Horseshoe II fire, so there are some dense thickets of aspens and lots of young pines on the periphery. It looks like a beautiful camping area now, with great views to the west and proximity to Booger Spring, though I wouldn't camp here if there was a lot of wind or storms. This section of Crest is also pretty heavily used (by Chiricahua standards).

We came to Round Park about 3 in the afternoon. We considered a side trip to Booger Spring to tank up, but we were planning to camp at Cima Cabin not far away and expecting water there. So we pressed on, snacking on raspberries the whole way.

Cima Saddle
The next big junction on the Crest south of Round Park is Cima Park, which had been heavily wooded by old growth trees before the big fire. Now it is a carpet of downed trees, a few snags, and a lot of young pines and aspens. There is a lovely camping spot just south of the junction with the Greenhouse Trail. For the most part it is a lovely area despite the evidence of the fire, and is recovering beautifully.

We turned down Greenhouse to head to Cima Cabin, a Forest Service cabin built in the 30s and still used today by fire and trail crews.

Cima Cabin
The cabin is about a quarter mile (ish) from the saddle. I'm not sure how often it gets used, but I've never seen anyone there before and we didn't on this trip, either. When we arrived, we noticed some roof damage. A huge tree on the west side of it had come down, landed on the roof, and rolled off the side of the building. There was quite a bit of damage including branches sticking out of the roof; it looked like a big repair job. The Forest Service is undoubtedly aware as the massive trunk had been limbed and there was a large slash pile nearby. We hope the building will be repaired as it is historically significant.

There is a very well-kept outhouse at the cabin, and Cima Creek is a reliable water source. There's also plenty of room for tents. There are also mice, so mind your food and other smelly items.

We enjoyed the evening at camp and were off to bed at sunset. It rained lightly shortly after we retired, and we were roused by more light rain in the morning. It was completely overcast and cool.

Friday we rose, had breakfast, and put together our day packs for some exploring. We decided to check out Anita Park, summit Chiricahua Peak, check out Aspen Saddle, and visit Eagle Spring. At some point in the day we expected to rendezvous with our friend Keith somewhere around the cabin.

We headed south on Crest. This section of trail had seen very recent tread work, and it was like hiking on a superhighway. We deeply appreciated the hard work that trail crews have done to make the Chiricahuas more accessible!

Anita Park
Heading south on Crest from Cima is Anita Park, which back in the day was an idyllic backpacking destination. It was a beautiful meadow amongst old-growth pine, with easy access to water at Anita Spring, and close to Chiricahua Peak. Alas the Horseshoe II fire obliterated it, and the pines are almost all gone, either snags or burnt logs on the ground. The sign marking where the Anita Spring trail leaves the Crest trail is lying on the ground in pieces, and the Anita Spring trail itself is faint and easy to miss. It is followable and we took it to see what we could see.

Anita Park itself is actually recovering, with a beautiful meadow ringed with aspens and young pines. A few snags still stand as reminders of horrors past. The trail passes the meadow and enters the old forest, which is still a sea of devastation. Many standing dead trees and almost none alive. The trail is cairned but there is still a bit of deadfall to traverse, with much more to come in time. I had hopes the spring would be serviceable, as there were good reports as recently as May of this year, but what we found was disappointing. The drainage has water in it, but it seems new deadfall has covered the catchment, or it has silted in completely, or it simply was concealed by rampant overgrowth. Regardless, we couldn't find it. The pools were so shallow that Lisa couldn't use her pump filter, and it wasn't practical to use a water bottle or scoop. Overall the water source was kind of depressing.

As we hiked out, the cloud decks lowered and shrouded the landscape in mist, making the fields of standing dead trees look ghostly.

Junction Saddle
Not far past Anita Park is Junction Saddle at the base of Chiricahua Peak. From here the Crest trail splits; Crest #270B heads west to Chiricahua Saddle, Crest #270C heads south to Aspen Saddle. There is also the Chiricahua Peak trail that heads to the summit, which we took. This trail was also clear and easy to follow, with no deadfall and great tread. It does traverse a significant burn scar but it is thick with aspens and quite lovely.

Chiricahua Peak
You can't see much at the peak on a clear day as it is densely forested, and today it was shrouded in cloud as well. We sat down at the peak, signed the log, and ate some snacks.

Maps show the Chiricahua Peak trail descending to Aspen Saddle as well as Junction Saddle. However, the segment to Aspen Saddle appears to be completely abandoned and there is barely any evidence of it left. So we just walked down the mountain to the saddle as best we could, and it was a pretty easy bushwhack.

Aspen Saddle
This is a favorite camping area with a few token old-growth trees still standing in a small grove with young pines on either side. We've camped here several times. The nearest good water source is Ojo Agua Fria, though the last time I was there it wasn't much better than Anita Spring. It's in a badly burned area and prone to silting in and getting choked with deadfall. It's also a steep climb down and back out. We've found at times Eagle Spring is easier to access. It's further away but with no appreciable elevation change.

Eagle Spring
We decided to check out Eagle Spring, which is a ways south of Aspen Saddle. The Crest from Aspen south hasn't been maintained in a while so the tread is faint, but there's no deadfall or major obstacles. The views along this segment of the Crest are spectacular, some of the best in the range. As we progressed the clouds broke and revealed Rucker Canyon, with clouds spilling over Chiricahua Peak. It was glorious.

Eagle Spring is signed and just off the trail, with a steep trail down to it. It consists of a concrete box with lid, and an overflow basin. The lid was mostly buried despite a check dam constructed above it, and the overflow was mostly silted in and slimy, so the spring is in need of a little TLC. I tried to clear the dirt to get the lid open but was not successful at getting the lid unstuck. I did discover that a corner of the lid had broken off in the past, exposing a hole large enough for Lisa to drop her pump into the spring box. She easily filled up and the water was great.

We returned to Cima Cabin more or less the way we came, the only exception was taking Crest from Aspen to Junction Saddle. That stretch of trail is densely wooded with aspens punctuated by standing old-growth pines, and a joy to walk.

Keith arrived at Cima Saddle just after we did, and we all went down Greenhouse to the cabin together. Keith set up his hammock and we had a pleasant rest in the afternoon as the clouds dissipated and brought some sunshine into the day.

Saturday was departure day. Keith and Lisa were to hike out to Rustler Park together, while I would return to my car solo along Crest #270B to Pole Bridge. It was a clear, sunny day. Keith had gotten a weather report on his Garmin which suggested afternoon thunderstorms were likely.

Crest #270B
Keith and Lisa accompanied me to Junction Saddle, where we parted ways. I saw three turkeys take flight in front of me as I rounded Chiricahua Peak. As I approached Chiricahua Saddle I spotted an empty tin can recently dropped by another hiker, so I collected it.

As I approached Paint Rock I passed a couple enthusiastic young hikers who were enjoying their first time in the Chiricahuas. They warned me there was a rattlesnake ahead, but I never saw it.

At Paint Rock I observed some rather dark cumulous clouds forming over Rucker Canyon. I had a few miles ahead of me so it motivated me to keep moving.

Between Paint Rock and Raspberry Peak I came across a crime scene that made me livid. Someone had built a campfire in the middle of the trail, and it was full of trash: empty cans of beans, half-burnt styrofoam and plastic meat packaging, a full container of burnt stovetop popcorn, and even a pizza pan. :o :x The offenders had pathetically covered the mess with large pieces of tree bark, which wildlife had scattered while investigating all the food residue. I will never understand what sort of inconsiderate stupidity that some people are capable of. I considered trying to clean up the mess but had no realistic way to pack it all out. I felt guilty the whole way down the mountain.

Update: I reported the crime scene to the Forest Service, who forwarded the report to law enforcement. They suggested it was a migrant resupply.

I was marginally cheered by impressively-sized ripe raspberries along the trail as it approached aptly-named Raspberry Peak.

Monte Vista Lookout
I took the spur trail to the Monte Vista fire lookout when I came to it. There is a cabin and outhouse there along with the metal lookout tower. It was still clear, but the puffy clouds over Rucker Canyon were getting bigger. I observed the elaborate lightning rod and ground wires on the cabin, and imagined what it might be like to be staying at the cabin during monsoon season. Sign me up... not!

There was an old-timey scale hanging on the porch for weighing packs, so I weighed mine. It was 24 pounds, which meant I ate about 6 pounds of food over the last couple days.

Morse Saddle
This saddle appeared to have a lot of blown down trees blocking the trail for anyone continuing west to Pole Bridge trail. A large live tree had blown over recently; at first glance it looked like over a dozen trees were over the trail, but after traversing the big one it was evident the others had already been cut.

The trails past Morse Saddle are less maintained and a bit in need of a haircut and a little tread work, but they are quite followable.

Pole Bridge Trail
This is now one of my favorite trails in the Chiricahuas, if only because of its variety. It can roughly be divided into an upper and lower part, separated by the junction with John Long trail at Pole Bridge Saddle. I'd done a loop in the past, going up Pole Bridge from Turkey Creek and returning via Morse Canyon trail. At that time it was very wet and there was a lot of water in Pole Bridge Canyon, making for a marvelous riparian hike in the lower section. This time I was descending Pole Bridge, which is quite steep, and the canyon was bone dry except for two or three very shallow stagnant pools. That was unfortunate as I'd hoped there was water. I had very little left at this point.

Heading Home
I reached the road and started to make my way back to the car. There's no established connector to Saulsbury Trailhead from any of the other trails originating in Turkey Creek, other than walking the road, so I bushwhacked. As I approached my car I heard the first peals of thunder for the afternoon storms, which were by now substantial but moving east off the Crest and no threat to me.

On the trip home I had to drive through two major thunderstorms, one outside of Pearce and the other just past Benson on the I-10. On that stretch the rain was coming down so hard that traffic slowed to about 40mph and some cars even pulled off completely. When I put my wipers on high, the linkage broke and then I had no wipers. :scared: Fortunately the water was beading up on the windshield and flying off enough that I could still see. I made it home by 4, which also happened to be beer-o'clock. :y:

Another fantastic trip in the Chiricahuas, my happy place in the world. I'm already thinking about the next one!
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Flowers pretty much everywhere there is a little sun.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Well there were two or three stagnant pools but not useful, which is too bad because I was quite thirsty.

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water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout Pools all along the trail, easy to collect and filter.
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 Tucson, AZ
Flys Peak - Rustler Park THTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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Hiking6.70 Miles 1,390 AEG
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Note: All stats include Flys and Flys South.

The night before this hike I drove up to Rustler campground (~8,400 feet elevation) and met Jim H at a campsite. We camped overnight and the low temp was in the mid 50s. At night we had 2 deer that came within 8-10 feet of us, just after dark.

In the morning, we drove the 4x4 road less than 1 mile to a good starting point. It was only a short distance to the Crest trail, which we thought was an excellent trail. We took that trail about 1.25 miles to the Flys peak trail turning left. Both trails were maintained very well. There were many cut logs on both sides of the trail and the trail was shaded in many areas. This is one of the few trails that can be hiked in June/July in my opinion. It's better to hike in the morning, as afternoons can get quite hot. At the summit, there were a lot of trees that blocked the views, but it was a nice flat summit with a lot of space on top.

Throughout this hike there were a lot of burned areas, areas with healthy looking pines, aspens, ferns, etc. We saw a few deer during our hike but they ran away too quick for us to take a photo. After summiting Flys, Jim continued to Chiricahua Peak. I would have joined but I was too tired from hiking Cochise Head the day before. Also, I've already summited Chiricahua Peak and wasn't too interested in going again. Instead I summited Flys South which was the next peak South of Flys. See my triplog for Flys South for more details.

We didn't see any water the entire trip.

AEG (for both Flys and Flys South) was 1,390 feet

Strava moving time was 3 hrs 25 mins.
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Chiricahua Peak from Rustler Park THTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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BubbaJuiceTriplogs 28
Backpack19.37 Miles 4,564 AEG
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TL;DR: Very pretty, senic, and green set of trails. There's good water at Tub Spring, Anita Spring, and Cima Spring right now. Stick to the Crest Trail to avoid deadfall.

I've wanted to go up to Chiricahua Peak for a while and I was able to arrange plans to go this weekend. The road up from the west we were able to go up with 2WD and 8 inches ground clearance. On the way up, two deer dashed in front of our car and down into the canyon on a very steep section right by the saddle. Up at elevation, it was probably in the 70s in the mountains with wind blowing east. Stopped before the road to Barfoot Campground to hike up to 31.9132, -109.2658 for a wonderful view into NM and the expanse of the mountains. After this we parked at the entrance to Barfoot Park.

The park was very pretty with irises all along the flowing creek. The park was fenced off so there was only one way in/out. After this we hiked up to the Crest Trail. The trail up to it had ~5 trees crossing the trail. One of these gave my splinters so avoid touching them with your hands. One or two of these we had to squat under. The views of Barfoot Peak were very pretty from the trail with the peak's lush aspens and beautifully colored scree. Up to the peak it was slow going but offered pretty views. At the top there were views to all sides and everything was very pretty. There was a benchmark, summit register, some sort of antenna at the top, and a few ladybugs. These would be the only few we saw on the hike. Under the summit register from 2022 in the center of the foundation of the lookout house was a ladybug graveyard. Headed down to the Crest Trail again and took that to the Bootlegger Trail. The only deadfall on the crest trail was here and it was easy to step over. What was surprising is all around this area we had 4G signal with Verizon. The trail in this section had a few plants bleeding onto it and the soil and therefore the tread was loose, a common theme with the Crest Trail. From here continued on to some cliffs which were nice to lay underneath and look at the views.

We stopped at Hillside Spring for a lunch bar. It was very tasty and the shade of the pines made it cool. Here we saw the only person we would see on the trails on the road beneath the spring. They were wearing all white and carrying an insect net. After this we moved to Fly Saddle and then up to Flys Peak. At the saddle were good views westwards. Going up was hard since my legs were already starting to get tired. The peak was so pretty though because of all of the aspen surrounding us on the way up, a green tunnel. At the top was a fire pit and a couple camping spots. There was also the concrete piers for the lookout tower. There 3 benchmarks up here in 2010, but we could only find the reference marks. The arrows were known to be off and we weren't sure exactly the spot the mark should have been. We searched for 30 minutes but to no avail. Looks like I might have to bring the metal detector to find this one in the future, if it is still there.

Going downhill was fast but time was passing by quickly. There were cairns on this side of the peak but the trail was easy to see. We decided that we would look for water, then camp and do Chiricahua Peak in the morning. We walked right past the junction for the Anita Park Trail as the sign was on the ground and not obvious. At the park we saw the perfect camp spot but continued on to the spring. There were 15 pieces of deadfall on this trail. The way down from the park was cairned well although it helped having the route on my phone. The spring had water so we filtered a few liters and carried it up to the campsite. The campsite had a few stumps and was situated right next to a stand of aspen, protecting us from the winds. A bit north there were two fire pits where we boiled water and rehydrated our dinners. Before this we realized we forgot our sporks so we widdled a dead aspen tree into forks with a multitool. I had beef stroganoff. It wasn't bad. A bit more north of this we hung our food and other smelly items in a dead tree. I was in my sleeping bag by 8 and fell asleep afterwards.

My sleep wasn't the best, waking up several times during the night for a matter of minutes. At 12 or so I looked up at the stars. I could just make out the cloud that makes up the milkyway. It was the most I'd ever seen of it. All the pictures I see of the sky seem fake. How am I supposed to make out so much detail? I woke up at 5-ish.

We slowly packed up and got ready. My breakfast was rehydrated biscuits and gravy. It was hard to finish by the end, not the best one I've had. We decided that we had enough water already so we would go to the helipad and then Chiricahua Peak without our backpacks and then come back and depart for Barfoot park. The helipad offered impressive views. Do not skip this if you come past here. The climb to the top was slow and steady through a tunnel of green aspens. We saw some stale bear scat on the trail. There was maybe 3 ground-level pieces of deadfall on this trail. At the top was a benchmark with the elevation off by ~20 feet. Saw Chumley had summited the day before. Headed down, got our bags, and headed back. I wanted to survey some of the springs on the way back so we went down to the cabin down the Greenhouse Trail. There was no deadfall on this trail. The stream was flowing pretty good but there were a ton of gnats/flys. There was a bathroom as well which was in good condition, if you bring your own toilet paper. Cima Spring can be spotted from the trail because of the typical lush plants that grow around water here. Approach the spring from the east, not the west. The scent of the pine forest was really nice here. It was a bit hotter today though because the sun was right on us and the wind had died down, although the skies seemed a tiny bit clearer.

We turned down the Bear Wallow Trail to the Bear Wallow Spring. NOTE: The sign for the Booger Spring Trail has the arrow pointing the wrong direction. The Bear Wallow Spring had good water. Before this, the trail was pretty visible from the saddle but so much deadfall appeared out of nowhere. For the next tenth of a mile or so it was just tree after tree that we navigated over and around. Some of the trees I crossed required decent flexibility so be prepared if you want to cross this section. We linked back up with the trail and made it to the Centella Trail. The trail was much more defined but there was still some smaller deadfall on the trail. An unmarked spring at (31.8781842, -109.2802300) had good water, on par with Tub Spring, which we saw next. This section of the trail was surrounded be trees so we couldn't see much.

We met back up with the Crest Trail and decided to check out Fly Park Spring (31.8813200, -109.2839600). I saw on OpenStreetMap there was supposed to be a trail there. Nope. Ended up cutting myself on some deadfall in the process of making it to the spring. The spring was some seepage out of the ground and was only a small trickle. Don't bother with this. Take the hike to Tub Spring instead. We took a break under the shade of a pine and headed up the hillside to the Long Park Trail, which had little deadfall and was pretty short up to the trail. This is definitely the recommended way. We went back to the Crest Trail and trucked our way all the way back to Barfoot Park. We fixed/propped up any signs that we were able to fix at junctions along our way. Some of them need replacing. We saw one turkey fly away from us when hiking back. We also saw two deer on the way down the road. We got chocolate dipped cones at the DQ in Wilcox afterwards. Also gas is a dollar cheaper in Wilcox than in Tucson right now. Stop in Wilcox or at a Loves.
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Rocky mountain irises were common in the grasslands at saddles. Some other purple flowers, maybe purple locoweeds or new mexico lupines were also present, although less frequent. The occasional small yellow flowers were around as well.

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Rocks seep from rocks into the basin which is overflowing slowly in the canyon. The basin had some earth at the bottom but still plenty of water which was clear and tasty after filtered.

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Really good water flow. Didn't open spring box but safe to say it had quite a bit in it.

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Spring box had cover off which revealed good quality water pretty deep. The creek adj. to the box had a light flow.

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Spring box did not have overflow water. Didn't lift the cover but dropped a rock under it which revealed water in the box. Water was seeping in the surrounding area. By the cabin there was good water flow.

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Didn't open catchment. The exposed box had water slowly seeping into it with about an inch of murky water. The spring source had deeper water of better quality.

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Box is a couple inches deep but filled with leaves and sticks. The stream is running pretty well probably a couple quarts per min, although it is shallow which might make it hard to collect water from it.
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Jul 10 2022
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 Tucson, AZ
Crest Trail #270 - Barfoot Park Rd to Jct SdlTucson, AZ
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Just a short walk up the trail from the Barfoot Park Road to enjoy views and get some photos.
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 Ahwatukee, AZ
Saulsbury Trail #263Tucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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LindaAnnTriplogs 2,600
Hiking15.06 Miles 4,556 AEG
Hiking15.06 Miles   9 Hrs   34 Mns   1.71 mph
4,556 ft AEG      46 Mns Break
 
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Started from the Saulsbury TH a little after 0700. The trail is in okay shape for the most part, but has a few areas of erosion from flooding. You have to pay attention in a few places to not lose the trail, but overall, was a pleasant hike uphill, with a good amount of early morning shade.

Once at the Crest Trail, we headed up the south side of Flys, and for once, the faint trail was easily visible to me. I like Flys, even though the views are limited, so we stopped at the summit for a break and snack before heading back down.

Once back on the Crest Trail, we headed south about a mile to the south side of South Flys. Took the south ridge north to the summit. All off trail, with lots of gopher holes, but not too much vegetation. Saw two white tailed deer. Quick stop at the summit, before retracing our steps down.

Continued south on the Crest Trail, then up to Chiricahua Peak. Short break before heading back down to the saddle. Went on the Crest Trail around the west slope of Chiricahua, then down Mormon Ridge Trail.

Mormon Ridge was a mixed bag. It was steep, narrow, and rocky in a lot of places and made for tiring hiking, even downhill. Some deadfall to contend with too. Other areas were slightly overgrown, and there were a few scree slopes to cross. Views were nice though, and some of the rock formations were neat. My least favorite trail of the day, but it wasn't terrible.

Once at the bottom, we walked the road back to the Saulsbury TH, finishing up around 1640. Saw no other people all day. Sunny, and slightly warm on Mormon Ridge, but generally nice temps otherwise. Good to see Matt again.
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 Tucson, Arizona
Crest Trail #270, AZ 
Crest Trail #270, AZ
 
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markthurman53Triplogs 864
Hiking9.44 Miles 1,604 AEG
Hiking9.44 Miles   5 Hrs   23 Mns   1.83 mph
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Ginny and I made a trip to the Chiricahua Mountains. The first day was along the Crest Trail from Long Park to Chiricahua Peak. We made some side trips to Headquarter Spring, Anita Park and Booger Spring. The weather was as expected monsoonish. Cloudy with the sound of thunder in the clouds above but no hard rain just a drizzle. It really was perfect hiking weather. Saw another bear along the crest trail near Anita Park but it didn’t stick around long enough to get a photo.
Chiricahua Peak Trail #270A was in good condition, better than when I was up here a few years ago. The clouds lifted for a short time while on the peak for a good view to the north (the only view because of the trees). We headed down the south side of the peak to the Ojo Agua Fria and Headquarter Spring Trail. Wild Flowers were everywhere.

Headquarter Spring Trail #362 is no trail at all but a log hop along a route that if you use your imagination it kinda looks like it may have been a trail in the distant past. We went about half way down and called it quits, got tired of doing the log hurdles. We didn’t need to see the spring anyway since it was so wet up here water was seeping from the ground everywhere.

Anita Park Trail #359 has a trail to the park, about .1 miles then nothing. We took a break at the park and the clouds above started rumbling again so we decided to head back toward Booger Spring, hopefully we will have better luck on this spring.

Booger Spring Trail #347 has a sign along the Willow Spring Trail and the trail though faint is fairly easy to follow. The trough at the spring had water in it from rain and the spring box is above the trough. The water looked a little off in the spring box, not sure if it was just dirt discoloration though. I saw no boogers at the spring, not sure how it got this name. We headed back to Long Park from here.

Chiricahua Mountains got a large rain storm the day before we got here so Cave Creek was running pretty full. On the way to Portal where we stayed the night we made a side trip to the Herb Martyr Camp ground. I was told the only place to see Winn Falls was from the Greenhouse Trail #272 but along the Herb Martyr Road were some good views of the water coming over the falls. The video below is of the falls. I also included videos of the Herb Martyr Falls and John Hand Falls along Cave Creek.
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Jun 27 2021
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 Tucson, Arizona
Green House Crest Trail Loop, AZ 
Green House Crest Trail Loop, AZ
 
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markthurman53Triplogs 864
Hiking15.49 Miles 2,957 AEG
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After a three week dry spell of no hiking I took 3 days to go hiking in the Chiricahua Mountains. My first day was on top of the mountain walking along the Crest Trail with some side trips along trails I haven't done yet. I arrived at the end of FR42D around sunrise. This time I drove all the way to the end of the road, requires at least high clearance vehicle. Hiking on the crest requires getting there at sunrise, not just because you may have a full day of hiking but mainly because it is so damn beautiful.

I passed along the west slopes of Flys Peak with great views of the early morning west views. The first side trip was along the Green House Trail. Ginny and I did this last April starting at Herb Martyr Campground and Hiked up to Winn Falls. We turned around at the falls. This was a really steep trail and figured I would have to do the upper part from the top. From the top it is 2.2 miles down to the falls. I had just passed Green House Cabin when I heard a noise that sounded like wood cracking, I wasn't sure what it was but a few minutes later I heard it again but this time I could see one tree leaning against another and debris was coming down. I looked closer and it was a bear clawing at the tree. I was about 50 feet from the bear and it was about 40 feet up the tree at about my eye level. This is the best opportunity I will probably ever get to photograph a bear before it runs off, you could say I had a captive audience. The bear did not know I was there it was intent on digging into that tree so I sat down and started taking pictures. As it dug a lot of insects were flying out and swarming all around. I was close enough that I remember thinking, I hope those aren't bees. I already had an incident in May where Ginny's bees attacked me while I was mowing and got stung about 30 times. I got the impression they were moths but I don't know, anyway they didn't bother me. After about 5 minutes of watching this bear I decided to head on down the trail, this is when the bear saw me, didn't knowing what to do since he was stuck up in the tree. "I HUNG EM UP"(as Jimmy Buffet said in the song "that's when I meet the bear"). It turned out the trail I was on did a switchback and I headed back toward the tree passing underneath it on the uphill side. I continued going and the trail did another switchback toward the tree on the downhill side. Before heading back toward the tree again I noticed the bear was heading down the tree slightly slower than free fall. I decided to wait until the bear got on the ground and hopefully it would just scurry off. I wasn't concerned that it would cause any problems for me, they usually just run off. Well it did and I went on my way. I wish Ginny was here because she is my Video person; my videos are not very stable. I made it down to Winn Falls and immediately headed back the way I came back up to the Crest Trail. There were a few pools of water in a few places along the Cima Creek. This little 2.2 mile jaunt with 1800 feet of elevation gain really kicked my rear, not sure why but it could be that I had not acclimated to the 10000 foot elevation. Maybe I'm just getting old and turning into a wimp and have been hiking too many flat Texas trails. I choose to think the former.

Continued on my hike toward Chiricahua Peak and did another short hike down to Ojo Agua Fria Spring, another 500 feet of elevation gain. I made it down to within a tenth a mile from the spring and it did not look that impressive so I spared myself climbing down any deeper into this canyon to see a place where supposedly there is a spring. I was pretty beet by now and the climb back up was taking a toll on my already sore heals. Not sure why my heals were rubbing, I haven't had that problem in quite a while.

I returned by walking around Chiricahua Peak in a clockwise direction. Took the Crest Trail 270D along the south side of the peak and then took the Crest Trail 270B back to Junction Saddle. I headed back to where I started and completed the 16 mile 3200 feet accumulated elevation gain by 3:30. I was staying in Portal Arizona at the lodge and they close at 6:00 so if I wanted to eat and sleep I best get down the 14 mile dirt road. Great day of hiking, felt good to be back out on the trail.

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Snowshed - Paint Rock Loop, AZ 
Snowshed - Paint Rock Loop, AZ
 
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Hiking20.77 Miles 5,317 AEG
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A friend and I needed to get away. Hadn't made a trip down to the Chiricahuas this spring yet, so off we went. Wanted to repeat a loop from last year from Turkey Creek, but with lightning in the forecast around 11am, and since I've never been East of the Crest, we drove down through Portal with dive-bombing birds and neurotic jackrabbits flashing through the high beams trying to make sunrise. Figured this loop would be shorter, but I'm not sure it was. My friend lounged around Herb Martyr CG where she enjoyed the sights, sounds, and smells of the wilderness while I disappeared for 7 hours and offered my body to it as a sacrifice. Went clockwise.

Herb Martyr Trail in superb shape. Sunrise views of Sanders Peak that nearly dropped me dead. A mile from the top took a break to catch my breath and heard footsteps out in the brush north of the trail. Bid hello from below, half dozen more slow steps and silence. Kept going, and didn't see anything. Trail climbs into a patch of old growth conifers near the jct and Pine Park. Really pretty area, and the last trees until Snowshed Peak.

Snowshed trail to saddle and up. Went straight up and bumped into a decent trail that climbs the ridge. Followed it most of the way down. It's often overgrown or covered over with deadfall, but it beats wading through the aspen. Summit views okay, but the forest of fir and pine on the summit/ridge is worth the diversion. Back to snowshed and took that around Aspen Peak. My favorite views in the range are probably looking across Rucker Canyon to Paint Rock, Raspberry Peak, and Monte Vista. Long time to admire from the Snowshed/Crest jct to Chiricahua Saddle. Trails in good condition to that point, although the end of Snowshed near Crest is soon to disappear in the ferns.

Short out and back under stormy clouds up Paint Rock. Probably my favorite summit in the range I've been on and the worst place to be with a chance of lightning. Fun climb up to the summit, but the views were a little hazy. Back to Chiricahua Saddle with a short break under the trees. Brilliant forest around Chiricahua peak. In the burn areas where the fir and pines are gone aspens are growing in. Decent trade off. Around the peak with huge views north toward Graham, Dos Cabezas, etc.

Got to Cima Park and headed down Greenhouse. Wanted to be there before 11, got there at 10:30. 10:50 heard the first thunder and was happy to be off the crest of the mountains. Greenhouse was my favorite new trail of the day, old growth forest and big views toward Silver Peak and Portal lower down. Wound back around with Basin Trail. Good road walk between the trails. Basin had unexpectedly good views. Cut down to the TH with Ash Spring Trail through some of the tallest junipers and sycamores I've ever seen. Didn't see anyone on the hike, 60s just about the whole time.
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May 22 2021
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Herb Martyr Trail #247Tucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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First exploration of the Chiricahua Wilderness! A fun adventure with my brother, whom I'd not seen in more than a year. Hopefully this log will be helpful for anyone seeking to plan a backpack into this area. There doesn't seem to be too many HAZ logs for these parts.

Here's a breakdown of our trip:
Day 1: Car camp at Herb Martyr Campground
Day 2: Hike up Herb Martyr Trail, dry camp at Pine Park (near Snowshed Trail junction)
Day 3: Camp at Anita Park
Day 4: Camp at Cima Cabin
Day 5 Hike out on Greenhouse Trail

Day 1
We drove from Phoenix to Portal on a Saturday afternoon. We car camped at Herb Martyr Campground. It was about half full (ie 2 other groups). There are some nice open walk-in sites, bear-proof trash cans and a toilet, just no running water.

Day 2
We started our hike from the campground parking lot on the Herb Martyr Trail (which is marked "Basin Trail 247" at the TH). The hike takes you up into the mountain at a steady pace. Our goal was to dry camp at Pine Park, just 3 miles, but 2200 feet in elevation gain. We each carried 6L of water and it took us 2.5 hours. Set up camp and enjoyed time soaking in the views and the sunset.

Day 3
We continued on Snowshed Trail on our way to the Crest Trail. This section of the wilderness was badly burned in the Horseshoe II fire in 2011. It is very exposed, hot and dry, but being between 8000-9000ft elevation the breeze kept us cool enough. We planned to fill up water at Deer Creek, which seemed to be running slowly, but I misread the map and thought it wasn't the right spot so we kept going. Skipping the spring would haunt us a bit later as we started running low on water after last night's dry camp.

At the trail junction on Snowshed Saddle, we attempted to find Aspen Trail #246A to take us around Aspen Peak on the northeast side, but we couldn't find the trail amongst all the young aspen trees. Rather than go all the way around to the southwest side, we opted just to go off-trail straight up and over Aspen Peak and down to Aspen Saddle.

From Aspen Saddle we ran down to Headquarters Spring, which I had read on a local blog was fairly reliable. But alas, the spring was bone dry. Rather than trying our luck at Ojo Agua Fria (an extra mile round trip), we opted to go over to Anita Park and see if we could find water at Anita Spring. As luck would have it, there was a perfectly nice cool pool of water waiting for us at Anita Spring. Thrilling.

We opted to camp at Anita Park that night, next to a nice young grove of Aspen Trees that gave us protection from the wind, which eventually died down. The camp spot was also pretty safe as far as any potential treefall from the many dead ponderosas in the area. Total for the day ~6 miles (Pine Park to Anita Park w/ spring hunting).

Day 4
Leaving Anita Park we took the Crest up to Cima Park. There are some incredible views on this section of trail. At Cima Park we took the Greenhouse Trail down, attempting to find Cima Spring and a potential place to camp on our last night. Where Cima Spring is marked on the map, there was a spring box but it was dry. We continued on maybe just 0.5 mile further and came to a couple idyllic forest service cabins with an amazing camping area, fire ring, clean pit toilet and spring box full of water. It was set in an unburned section of pine forest, which is fairly rare in this area. What a find! We camped here, of course. We also enjoyed a nice day hike up to Round Park for lunch.

Day 5
We finished off the Greenhouse Trail and a bit of primitive road hiking to finish the loop to the car at Herb Martyr. Greenhouse Trail is only about 4 miles but it drops about 3000 feet. There is a neat viewpoint of Winn Falls, which were dry this time of year (late May) but I'm told are often icy and running in early spring.

Overall, this is a really cool place, as long as you are OK with hiking up steep mountains, scrounging for springs at times (as we do in AZ) and walking through some pretty heavily fire damaged areas. We experienced tremendous solitude -- after leaving the campground on Sunday we didn't see another soul until returning to the car on Wednesday. That was pretty special.
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Nice clean pool in the side of the hill. Was refilling itself slowly.

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Full spring box, located just below Cima Cabin. Has a lid on it, need to lift it up. See photos in triplog.

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Dripping from the side of the hill

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Just a dry tub. Very disappointing.

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Not running at all
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Nov 28 2020
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42 male
 Joined Nov 30 2015
 Phoenix, AZ
Snowshed & Greenhouse LoopTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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ShatteredArmTriplogs 356
Run/Jog17.60 Miles 4,674 AEG
Run/Jog17.60 Miles   5 Hrs   49 Mns   3.03 mph
4,674 ft AEG
 
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Plan was to loop Snowshed and Greenhouse. Got started a little bit late, so brought lights just in case. Herb Martyr Trail was steep but pretty. Snowshed was not as steep, but rougher. Loved both; beautiful terrain up there.

We decided to do the out and back to Snowshed Peak. The first half is easy, then it gets overgrown. Looks like they've done some work on the first half.

Headed towards Chiricauhua via an alleged trail north of Aspen Peak, which my map shows but clearly does not exist in any meaningful form. Would have been easier just to go up and over.

Chiricauhua Peak was comparatively easy. I had been up from Rustler Park a few years ago, so nothing new.

Greenhouse Trail was cold. Creek was mostly frozen, as was Winn Falls.

Made it back to the car just as the sun was starting to set.
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Nov 15 2020
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60 male
 Joined Nov 15 2005
 Jackson, CA
Chiricahua & Monte Vista Peak LoopTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
Hiking avatar Nov 15 2020
toddakTriplogs 577
Hiking23.00 Miles 6,000 AEG
Hiking23.00 Miles   12 Hrs      1.92 mph
6,000 ft AEG
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1st trip
Big counter-clockwise loop starting from Rustler Park. South on Crest > down Saulsbury > up Pole Bridge > then up Monte Vista, Chiricahua and Flys Peaks on the way back to Rustler. Saulsbury from Crest down to Saulsbury Saddle is unmaintained and faint in some places but follows a great route, then from the saddle down to Turkey Creek is smooth and easy. Good conditions on the other trails. Monte Vista is a fine peak, while view-less Chiricahua and Flys Peaks are relatively easy bags if you're passing by.
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Nov 12 2020
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48 male
 Joined Apr 25 2017
 Phoenix, AZ
Crest Trail #270 - Barfoot Park Rd to Jct SdlTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
Backpack avatar Nov 12 2020
desertadaptedTriplogs 23
Backpack36.00 Miles 9,700 AEG
Backpack36.00 Miles3 Days         
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Given how far the Chiricahuas are from the Valley, I've only had a chance to visit once before, on a brief backpacking trip with my family. My plan was a bit diffuse initially, but I ended up deciding to use the Crest to backstop two loops, one east, one west: Herb Martyr and Mormon/Saulsbury. Given the colder temps we've been having (finally), I decided to camp low to stay warm.

Day 1. Started at Bootlegger Park. Started immediately on the Crest Trail, which has had some work done on it over the last couple years. Several years back it had been washed out in portions. It's now solid, and no overgrown. I was struck at how slow that area has been to come back from fire. I took a hike over Flys Peak, which does not improve on the crest itself in terms of views. Anita Spring is full. Unsure of what kind of water I'd be seeing at Herb Martyr, I overfilled. I'm the poster child for the backpacker who has incredibly expensive lightweight gear and screws it all up with overly conservative water carries. So it goes. After Anita Spring I continued on the crest to Snowshed Trail. Snowshed is thin, angled and exposed. There's very little post-fire growth in this area, leading to notable erosion. Pine Park is lovely, however, and the Herb Martyr Trail was perfect in all respects. After crossing Cave Creek (flowing nicely), I continued around on FR713 to head towards Greenhouse Trail. I found a nice campsite. Hadn't seen a soul all day (even at the Herb Martyr Campground).

Day 2. The hike up Greenhouse was steep. Winn Falls is flowing slightly. Cima Creek was flowing and I was able to refill my still-ample water supply. I encountered my first (and only) backpacker heading down from Chiricahua Saddle to Mormon Ridge. Route finding was generally fine on Mormon Ridge but I did manage to briefly get off trail towards the beginning, and was glad for GPS. I'll note that Mormon Creek had a ton of deadfall at the start, so I opted for Mormon Ridge instead. There was ample water in Turkey Creek where the Ridge Trail connects to the road. I curved around and headed a bit up Saulsbury, but was gassed from the morning's climb.

Day 3. Saulsbury up to Saulsbury Saddle is relatively well-maintained and easy to follow. The stretch from the Saddle back to the Crest Trail has need seen attention for a while. I frequently had to course-correct with GPS, and push through overgrowth, deadfall, and brambly evil. It's also steep, though that might have been my legs giving out. Once back on the Crest I had a quick walk over to Flys Park and took that road back to Rustler Park. Given how much I struggled up the second segment of Saulsbury, I was ready for some easy hiking.

I'm truly bummed that it's such a drive to get to the Chiricahuas. Living in the Valley, it's tough to commit. I look forward to getting back there in another couple years. I'd like to start out of Rucker on the south side to do some more exploring.
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Tank is full and clear.

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Spring was dripping across the trail. Did not go up to spring - a bit sketchy post-burn.
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Oct 24 2020
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63 male
 Joined Apr 02 2005
 Mesa, AZ
Chiricahua Peak from Rustler Park THTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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Tortoise_HikerTriplogs 3,652
Hiking11.79 Miles 2,650 AEG
Hiking11.79 Miles   5 Hrs   57 Mns   2.06 mph
2,650 ft AEG      14 Mns Break
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Linda and I had talked about doing this summit for awhile. She threw together some options and this day worked. Wally gave in to an early rise and we were on our way by 3am. Starting hiking around 7am with some nice temps. Tons of ferns in this area albeit all brown this time of year. Some nice pine forest but lots of evidence of past fires. There were some young aspen patches scattered throughout most of the hike. The ground in the off trail portion was soft and full of holes. Felt like gopher holes everywhere. Still not terrible hitting the two Fly peaks . Chiricahua was on trail. Not in the Supes but Wally Supes Farak still managed to find some potsherds 😱. Cool. The summits were all nice but the better views were actually on the trails along the way. Linda had 4 peak options but I only had 3 in me. Still a nice outing and the conversation and banter were quite enjoyable! 😳😁😂 Thanks to Linda for planning and driving and Wally for getting up so early and joining us! Like HAZ , you two rock!!
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Oct 24 2020
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 Joined Mar 11 2003
 AZ
Chiricahua Peak from Rustler Park THTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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wallyfrackTriplogs 1,691
Hiking11.79 Miles 2,650 AEG
Hiking11.79 Miles   5 Hrs   57 Mns   2.06 mph
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I woke up at 1:00 am left the house at 2:00 am and we starting hiking about 700 AM. Not my normal start but interesting. :lol: Linda had the plan so I could just kick back and go along for the trip. The weather was warmer than expected and the breeze cooled us down later on. I thought it might be cold but the temperature was nice and even a little warm at the end. The views were good and the trails fairly easy to hike. After hiking the Flatiron on Wednesday I wasn't sure if I'd do well at this higher elevation but I never really had any shortness of breath. Linda kept a nice steady (easy) pace and even took a detour so I could find some pot sherds. :lol: We were on Chiricahua Peak by 10:30 am and starting back before I even got tired out. A nice area and a good hike, I just wish it was closer. After reading a lot of her triplogs it was nice to hike with Linda and good to catch up with Denny again.
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Oct 24 2020
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45 female
 Joined Dec 24 2007
 Ahwatukee, AZ
Chiricahua Peak from Rustler Park THTucson, AZ
Tucson, AZ
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LindaAnnTriplogs 2,600
Hiking11.79 Miles 2,650 AEG
Hiking11.79 Miles   5 Hrs   57 Mns   2.06 mph
2,650 ft AEG      14 Mns Break
 
1st trip
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Denny, Wally, and I got started from Rustler Park a little before 0700. Cool and breezy, and very pleasant. Headed south on Crest Trail. Right away, four hunters pointed out two deer, then tried to tell us we’d encounter tons of hunters on our hike. Besides them, we saw exactly zero. Only saw two other hikers the entire day as well.

Enjoyable hiking on Crest. Only one downed tree, and the trail is kind of sandy/loose in a few places, but not too bad. Unexpected fall color was a nice bonus. At the turn for Flys Peak, we left Crest and headed up to Flys. Views are limited, but it’s a nice broad peak, with room to sit and relax. From there, we headed down the south side of Flys to reconnect with Crest. There’s a trail part of the way, but it fades out in places. No matter, because you can see Crest below you and just aim for the sign at the bottom.

At Crest, we immediately left the trail and headed off trail up to South Flys. While not too steep, there was a lot of downed trees and vegetation to deal with. At the summit, which was nice, I declared South Flys a one and done for me. After a few minutes looking around the summit, we headed down the south side of South Flys, and that was significantly better. Easy incline, very little vegetation. I reconsidered my declaration and decided that both and and down the south side is the way to go.

After that, we continued on Crest to Chiricahua Peak, where we took a snack break. Pleasant peak, again, plenty of room to sit and relax. For the return to the trailhead, we stayed on Crest the entire way, which made for easy hiking. The last mile seemed to drag a little since it was getting warmer and we lost the breeze, but at least that portion was mostly downhill.

Enjoyable day in a range I really like. Always good to hike with Denny and nice to finally meet Wally.
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Mostly aspens, seemed like the oak was well past prime.

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Little bit of water in the spring box.
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Oct 02 2020
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44 female
 Joined Oct 21 2016
 Tempe, AZ
Monte Vista Chiricahua & Flys Peak Loop, AZ 
Monte Vista Chiricahua & Flys Peak Loop, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Oct 02 2020
MAPTriplogs 105
Hiking17.50 Miles 5,251 AEG
Hiking17.50 Miles   10 Hrs   38 Mns   1.87 mph
5,251 ft AEG   1 Hour   16 Mns Break
 
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Parked at Saulsbury TH (HC & probably 4wd needed for this road), cut over to Turkey Creek Road, & started hiking up Morse Canyon Trail #43 around 7:30 am.

Morse Canyon Trail is a good incline the entire way up but it is short, shaded under tall trees, and the trail is super nice & well maintained. I talked with someone from the Forest Service (who came up on a horse shortly behind me) and he said Morse Canyon Trail is the main route up to access & supply the lookout on Monte Vista Peak so they make sure to keep the trail well maintained. Continued over to Monte Vista Peak (don't know what trail it was but it was the one the FS guy took & still very well maintained) & took in the spectacular views for a bit.

From Monte Vista, I took Raspberry Ridge Trail over to Chiricahua Peak Trail. The Painted Rocks area of Raspberry Ridge is very cool but the views along the whole trail are pretty gorgeous, especially with Fall colors covering slopes. Chiricahua Peak Trail seemed like a never ending climb. The top is lovely though and lots of space to relax for a bit.

Down Chiricahua and on the Crest Trail over to Flys Peak. More lovely views and more Fall colors. I figured I would fill up a bit more just in case at Booger Spring because I liked the name. An older couple coming off the trail to the spring told me it was just dripping & there was a very heavy lid that they were barely able to open. I ended up turning around before making it to the spring and decided to visit Tub spring instead (which I didn't end up going to either but the couple told me that was just dripping too). Flys Peak was probably the least picturesque of the three but pretty to see the colors & views coming down.

Now for my big error - not listening. I told the couple I planned to take Saulsbury Trail & they said "that trail is crazy". They said it was very overgrown & that I shouldn't take it. I'm used to overgrown & we all have different versions of "crazy". Plus I was parked at the TH. Overgrown is one thing but this trail runs along slopes where the trail is gravely & worn down to a few inches where you really have to dig the sides of your feet in to keep a grip. Along these steep gravely sides there will suddenly be a tree or thick bushes to navigate around surrounded by fallout & dead branches - not fun. A little over a quarter of the way down the trail disappears completely & this was a pretty hot area to be trying to navigate in. I ended up following a wash to drop into the canyon I needed to exit through. Saulsbury added a lot more time to my decent & I should have taken a larger loop & followed the trail the couple suggested. Oh well. Lesson learned - Saulsbury sucks.

Great day. Got pretty warm though. I carried 3 L of water but refilling to get a total of 4 L would have been perfect.
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Isolated slopes covered in yellows & oranges.

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Sep 13 2020
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52 female
 Joined Nov 22 2005
 Tucson, AZ
Crest Trail - Barfoot Park to Fly's Peak, AZ 
Crest Trail - Barfoot Park to Fly's Peak, AZ
 
Hiking avatar Sep 13 2020
writelotsTriplogs 341
Hiking9.81 Miles 2,659 AEG
Hiking9.81 Miles   5 Hrs   34 Mns   1.89 mph
2,659 ft AEG      23 Mns Break
 
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We were camped at Barfoot Park and I wanted to spend some time on the Crest Trail. This was my third trip up in the Cherry-cows this year, and the first significant amount of time spent there since the big fire. It's amazing to watch the landscape recover, to see which slopes are going to return to mixed conifer and which seem to be losing their pines in favor of the oaks and scrub. It's a study in what will be happening to all of our Sky Islands as climate change, drought and fire reshape the environment.

The hike was pleasant. The 74 degree temps were such a relief from the heat in Tucson. The only recommendation I would have for my fellow hikers is to take the time to stop and listen to the birds and smell the rich assortment of wildflowers. This is an amazingly complex ecosystem, and being a part of it is like magic.
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Lots of the summer perennials were in bloom, especially the hummingbird attractors.

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Mostly mud lower in Barfoot Park, but a steady flow.

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Nice trickle out of the spring itself and about 6" of water in the cement trough
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