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 Phoenix, AZ
Walnut Trail #251Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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ShatteredArmTriplogs 356
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Needed some exercise and had an afternoon engagement, so I figured it's time to check out the Walnut trail from Oak Spring to Hardscrabble Mesa Road. Temperatures weren't horrible, although there were a couple of exposed sections along AZT that got slightly toasty. Decided to check out how Oak Spring is doing - trough was about 2/3 full with a clear pool in the creekbed and a light trickle.

Walnut Trail through Oak Spring Canyon was nice, and I liked it better than the stretch of AZT in this area. Once I got to the road, I decided to follow the streets back to Pine TH to save time.

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Very little flow, but the trough was about 2/3 full and there are some pools to filter from.
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 Scottsdale, AZ
Walnut Trail #251Payson, AZ
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A group of us made improvements at Oak Spring to increase the flow into the spring box. Also cleared one huge deadfall.
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Whiterock Mesa - AZT #25Payson, AZ
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
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Kelly and John needed help with a shuttle for their backpacking trip on AZT #25. They started from the Doll Baby Trailhead on Friday, while I started from the Pine Trailhead on Saturday. It was a bit brisk, with ice in some of the drainages, but I took off my puffer and hat after a couple of hours.

There was still some color holding on around the Oak Spring area.

I finally ran into Kelly and John where the old AZT alignment meets the new one. After a snack break, we headed toward the Pine Trailhead. We checked out Oak Spring, where there was filterable water and some lingering maple color, before tackling the last big climb of the day.

Afterward, we had lunch at Kelly and John's favorite eatery, then drove back to retrieve John's vehicle at Doll Baby.
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Whiterock Mesa - AZT #25Payson, AZ
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It has been too long since Kelly and I have knocked out an AZT segment. Decided to backpack this one starting from the Doll Baby trailhead. The connecter trail to get to the AZT is a bit under four miles.
We got going to frosty 26 degree temps. There is some aeg on the way and that got us warmed up. Soon after joining the AZT, we crossed the Verde river which was cold and clear.
Coming out of the river is a long uphill trek. Kelly flushed a huge javelina but he didn't stick around for photos.
After a nice long cool day of hiking we made camp a little over halfway, in the afternoon, with plenty of time to set up camp and eat before dark. A small fire kept us warm after dark for a couple hours before we retired for the long night.
Following breakfast and breaking down camp we hit the trail at 0811. Bruce coordinated a meet up to hike with us the last 6 miles. Things worked out nicely and we had a good hike to finish off the segment.
Kelly bought us lunch in Payson then Bruce shuttled us back to the Doll Baby trailhead and my vehicle.
Great trip. Thanks, you two! :)
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Whiterock Mesa - AZT #25Payson, AZ
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john and i decided on a one night backpack for this azt passage
we set out from doll baby trailhead around 0815 friday morning
temps were in the upper twenties, but it didn't feel that cold
took the road portion to jf ranch and waded across the east verde
filtered water at whiterock spring/tank
had to carry four liters for a few miles
rock creek canyon is about halfway, and we wanted to get beyond that point
found notes on a good campsite a couple miles further uphill on far out
14 mile first day, rolling into a very nice campsite
we set up camp, made dinner and enjoyed a small fire
long night this time of year, and it got down to 35 degrees or so
coffee and breakfast saturday morning before setting out around 0810
warmer today, very comfortable hiking temps
lighter packs after the dry camp with a shorter hike out
met bruce with six to go and the remaining miles went by quickly
lunch at thai station and bruce took us back to doll baby

big shout out to bruce for helping us with logistics
nice to get another passage done
saw some javelina along the way
saw six thru-hikers, three friday night and three saturday morning, all sobo
trail was mostly in good shape
it's very rocky in places and there was one section of catclaw
lots of juniper trees and some more open areas
one pocket of maples near oak spring
a finishing climb into pine trees at the end
fun to do this as a backpack - it's been awhile
good times
*using john's stats
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I originally was going to hike in See Canyon to see some fall foliage, but after seeing a triplog from @tortoise_hiker that indicated that there was no colorful foliage there I decided to do this hike instead.

We did a clockwise loop from a parking area on Hardscrabble Road, with a side trip on Alder Ridge.

The highlight of the hike was the first mile or so that went through a wooded area on the way to Oak Spring. There were some big tooth maples there, and the fall foliage was light to moderate. It wasn't spectacular by any means, but it was still decent. Some of the larger trees still had green leaves, so there might be some color there yet to come.

We stopped off at Oak Spring, and there was only a couple of small pools of stagnant water there.

Then the trail climbed up on Hardscrabble Mesa. It wasn't that steep of a climb but the trail was a bit rocky.

We went a mile or so out onto Alder Ridge, and that was a section of the hike that I really didn't care for. The trail was a bit rocky and there was lots of sun exposure on a warm day. The distant views of the Mazzies were nice, but nothing special.

After getting back from Alder Ridge we continued on the loop mostly on rocky forest roads. Once back on FR 428 we coasted back to where we parked. This section was almost all downhill and it was easy hiking, although there were a few vehicles on the road.

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I didn't enjoy this hike as much as I thought that I would, partly because the temps were warmer than they should have been. I had previously hiked from the Pine TH to Hardscrabble Road and back, and I enjoyed that hike more than this one.
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Foliage was light to moderate for about 1.5 miles from the parking area on Hardscrabble Road headed toward Oak Spring.

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The spring box was dry but there were a couple of small stagnant pools of water.

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 Chandler, AZ
Hardscrabble Alder Lasso Loop, AZ 
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The weather is cooling off, but before we get back to hiking more in the lower deserts, we decided to head north again this weekend and chose a loop off Hardscrabble Road in Pine. Driving through the residential area near the pullout where we parked, we saw a few elk among the houses, then got a quick glimpse of a coyote (or maybe a fox?) around the next bend...nice to see some wildlife before even starting the hike.

It was a mostly cloudy morning with comfortable temperatures in the mid-50s, and we started clockwise on Oak Spring Trail from Hardscrabble Road. It was mostly flat, easy hiking past Bear Canyon, and we took the short spur to Oak Spring--the concrete basin was full and there was quite a bit of water in the low areas. From there, Walnut Trail had a steady incline to the top of the mesa, where the views of the rim and the Mazatazals started to open up a little more. There are a lot of tanks along the route--we passed Ridge Tank first, then took a little detour off Walnut Trail and followed the forest roads past East Tank before reconnecting with our originally planned route.

On our way to the out-and-back spur to Alder Ridge, we passed Bee Tree Tank, which was further off the trail but appeared to have quite a bit of water. The stretch on Alder Ridge ended up being one of the most beautiful parts of the hike--that area was covered in yellow wildflowers and offers even better views of the Mazatzals. We saw a large tarantula there and ended up seeing two more later in the loop portion of the hike--first a baby, and another full-size but dead tarantula in the road.

The sun finally broke free from the clouds for good, and we eventually decided to turn around and head back to complete the loop since we had some other stops we wanted to make around Pine after the hike. We passed two more tanks along FR 1654 that weren't on the map, the second of which had a sign labeling it as Turkey Tank, along with a game camera and some cattle nearby.

We hadn't see anyone all day, but we started to encounter a lot of people as we approached Pine Ridge Tank and reconnected with Hardscrabble Road. That tank has a large corral next to it, and we passed a few people with ATVs near that intersection, then a few campers, vehicles, and off-roaders along Hardscrabble. The final stretch was noisy with traffic and workers clearing brush with chainsaws, but the views overlooking Pine were nice. Overall, it was a pleasant, easy hike--nothing jaw-dropping or overwhelmingly beautiful, but consistently nice views and weather. After the hike, we headed to some Native American ruins in a residential area in Pine, then to Naco Paleo site along Highway 260.
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66 male
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 Mesa,AZ
Hardscrabble Loop, AZ 
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hikerdwTriplogs 541
Hiking11.48 Miles 1,727 AEG
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The Drive from Pine off HWY87
Heading north, turn left on Hardscrabble Road and drive 1.9 miles to the trailhead which is clearly marked. There are two small parking areas at the trailhead, enough for 2 or 3 cars, and there is a larger parking area a couple hundred feet past the trailhead if those are full.

Oak Spring Trail #16 to the spring
Signs of recent heavy water flow down the trail itself or this trail hasn't received a lot of use from this end since the earlier monsoon rains. This is a really nice trail and the solitude was appreciated. The spring and catchment were both full however the spring water looked a lot more inviting.

Walnut Trail #15
Nice climb up to Hardscrabble Mesa. Trail was clearly marked with a gentle hiker grade so the uphill passed quickly. The only small negative would be the rocks and high grass which forced your eyes to be looking down for feet placement vs outward at the nice sights.

Hardscrabble Mesa
We were looking forward to checking out the new alignment of the AZT in the area. Really appreciate the hard labor that went into that project. The most obvious was the lack of rocks which made for smooth sailing. We actually hiked out and back to Alder Ridge where we took a short refueling break while enjoying the views.

FR 1654/1655
These two FR's complete the loop back to Hardscrabble Road. Very nice two-track hiking, lots of pine trees, several tanks along the way, and no people seen until we hit Hardscrabble Road. On Hardscrabble Road we passed several race check-in tables as some mountain bike event was in progress. Crossed several bikers walking their bikes up the road as we were walking down as the road is a little steep going up.

Although a little warm this time of year on the Mesa this 12 mile hike was a very enjoyable. A nice shorter variation than the similar lasso loop from the Pine TH. Great day!
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Only slightly damp.

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Spring and catchment were full.
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 Fountain Hills,
Pining for Oak Spring, AZ 
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DixieFlyerTriplogs 1,375
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I was driving through Pine on my way to the Grand Canyon, and decided to stop and do this hike since I was in the area. The Oak Spring Trail got on my radar screen after reading a triplog that @hikerdw posted the other day.

Starting from the Pine TH I took the Oak Spring Trail to Oak Spring. Then I went north to Hardscrabble Mesa Rd, aka FR 428. From there I reversed course and went back to the TH.

I really enjoyed the hike. I wish that I had more time and I would have done the loop around Hardscrabble Mesa that @hikerdw did on his hike.

There were quite a few big tooth maples with some showy fall color in the stretch between Oak Spring and Hardscrabble Mesa Rd. The maple trees weren't real big, but the color was quite nice.

I did not see any wildlife, but I did see some bear scat in the middle of the Oak Spring Trail.

I will have to add this hike to my fall foliage rotation. It might be a nice spring hike also if there was water in the creek, but the creek was as dry as a bone on this day.
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There were some colorful big tooth maples from Oak Spring north toward Hardscrabble Rd

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It looks like cattle frequent this tank, so I don't think that I would want to drink out of it

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I did not see any water anywhere
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 Jackson, CA
Bearfoot Trail #13Payson, AZ
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Nice big loop around Pine. Clockwise from the Strawberry trail head: BF13 > PC26 > OS16/AZT25 > W251 > PS15.

Bearfoot steadily improves along its length and the new bridge over Pine Creek is fiberglass art. Warm and very dry conditions, only a few meager patches of snow. The Pine-Strawberry fuel reduction program has done an incredible amount of work - several long stretches along this loop have nearly all the chaparral chopped down to a foot high, hundreds of acres have been thinned.

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Whiterock Mesa - AZT #25Payson, AZ
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A few moonlit warmup miles from Doll Baby, then NOBO to Pine. Many miles of rugged, rocky hiking, but the navigation is straightforward.

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Walnut Trail #251Payson, AZ
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Met up with the Pine-Strawberry Fuels Reduction guys this morning on Hardscrabble Road, where the trail begins and heads south, to do a little rehab work on Oak Spring.

Several striking red Maple trees/bushes along the way were at or just past peak color.

The work included mucking out (operative word "mucking") a trench between a collection pool and the cement trough. The crew leader installed new PVC pipe, a filter at the upper end and a pipe up into the trough. We then buried the pipe, hopefully sufficiently bedded in dirt and sand so as not to create a leak in the pipe over time.

Initial flow was strong, but as the pool dropped the flow did too. It will be interesting to monitor this to see how it works.

I've been along the trail past Oak Spring but never explored the area--pretty interesting with several iterations of water collection and distribution systems down the canyon. We explored the old route to the SE, towards what is now Arrowhead Estates subdivision.

Then the climb out; these fellows set a strong pace, and drive home. Another great day on the AZT.

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Maybe a little more than dripping. New pipe to the trough.
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Walnut Trail #251Payson, AZ
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Got out of work a few minutes early and have been eager to check out this little gem a few locals have been telling me about so I hauled it up to Pine.
Short on time I jogged most of it to see where all the color was and set up in time with a few minutes to spare and snagged a couple shots of a couple of the richest red bigtooths I've seen this year so far.
When I have more time I'll be back to take advantage of this quiet well groomed trail this winter and take it down to the canyon when serious seasonal water is flowing.
Any chance to get outside is always a blessing!
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Maple and Oaks galore, most past peak color but there are still plenty of vibrant isolated groves.
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Sep 23 2017
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 Far NE Phoenix,
Good-Pine-Oak-Walnut-StrawBearyfoot, AZ 
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The_EagleTriplogs 2,760
Hiking18.48 Miles 2,982 AEG
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Denny and Joe refused to hike with me 2 weeks in a row.
The Dbacks kept me up late. I slept in until 6:00 and didn't hit the trail until 8:00.

Got dropped off at the Good Enough Trail. First time on this one. It's in decent shape and a short steady climb to The Pine Canyon Trail. Passed up Wild Bill Spring on the way up.

Pine Canyon Trail #26 yields great views down to Pine and back into the canyon. It's a super highway. A brief stint on the Highline trail and I was at the Pine TH.

I had not been on the Oak Spring Trail #16 in over 7 years, since we did the AZT in 2010. It really has a lot to offer. You get to peak at "The Narrows" (on my list) on your way to the picturesque Bradshaw Tank and meadow area. The blind has been changed up from last time through, with the same familiar note inside.

The drop and views into Oak Spring Canyon is what I'd remembered most about this trail. It did not disappoint.

I was going to take a side trip to relive the Butterfly Whisperer moment [ photo ] [ photo ] , but I was on a timetable.

I'd forgotten everything about the Walnut Trail #251. I'm sure there may be some walnut trees here, but most of what I saw were Oaks and Maples on the cusp of their seasonal turning. Worth a visit for sure.

The Pine Strawberry Trail #15 is a MTB highway, yet I saw none. This is an enjoyable trail that has had some slight reroutes since my last time through.

I finished up on the Bearfoot Trail.

I saw 4 hikers total on an absolutely perfect weather day.
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Autumn Foliage Observation Isolated
Walnut Canyon's maples are just starting to turn.

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 Phoenix, AZ
Walnut Trail #251Payson, AZ
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nathanbriskTriplogs 56
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My bros and I had a bit of a hassle getting on the trail!

We were all set to get to the Roger's Canyon trail via the Roger's Trough trailhead . . . I've been into Angel Basin six times, but I've never had enough time to check out the cliff dwellings. In the past, we've started at the Woodbury Trailhead, and lemme tell ya--the hike up to Tortilla Flat (the junction of the JF Trail and the Roger's Canyon Trail) is a beast . . . I don't want to do that hike again (with a pack). So this time, the plan was to bring a high clearance vehicle to the Roger's Trough trailhead. But, I had engine trouble at the last minute. DOH. A low clearance minivan will have to do. :lol:

Next plan--hit up the Barbershop Trail and U-Bar trail on the Mogollon Rim. I've had great experiences there in the past. So we drive up to Woods Canyon Lake to hop on the Rim Road (FS300) only to find that . . . it's frickin' closed. People close roads? Who would have thought? Not me . . . I guess the road wasn't passable or something. Even the visitor center had a sign on the door saying it wouldn't be open until May-ish. So I figured we'd just get on the Rim Road from the west side off the AZ87. We drove back down the 260 into Payson, and my brother pulled over into a parking lot and suggested I call the ranger station. And sho nuff . . . the Rim Road was ALSO closed from the east. So what am I gonna do? I fire up HAZ on my cell phone and try to find something that has water. 30 minutes later . . . voila! Oak Spring Trail out of Pine, AZ it is.

We parked the minivan at 34.3714183, -111.4797109 on Hardscrabble Mesa Rd and headed down the Walnut Trail. I had found from the HAZ entry that Oak Spring was about 4.5 miles in or so . . . . So we made it to the junction of the Walnut Trail and Oak Spring Trail and I thought to myself "well we're looking for the spring, so that must be up the Oak Spring Trail," so regrettably, we took the Oak Spring Trail thinking that Oak Spring was up that way. So we ended up hiking to what we later found out was Bradshaw Tank. There was some good water here for treating at 34.3679893, -111.4558701. That was coo. We set up camp in Bradshaw meadow. You can find our firepit at 34.3688631, -111.4589177, and you can find our awesome natural toilet at 34.3691812, -111.4588189. This seemed to be reaaaaallllyyy close to town. My cell service was off the hizzle. Maybe we shouldn't have camped there . . . not sure. But we were tired and hongry.

That night, I figured that we didn't really find Oak Spring, so it was probably just further down the Walnut trail. So we hiked back to that fateful trail junction and went (a little) further down the Walnut Trail. And there it was . . . Oak Spring. So close . . . great water. We set up camp this next night at 34.3500167, -111.4728984, and we set up another rockin natural toilet at 34.3502227, -111.4724498. You're welcome.

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plenty of water flowing. Horse trough was full
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AZT Trail: Picketpost to Pine, AZ 
AZT Trail: Picketpost to Pine, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Mar 12 2016
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Backpack161.56 Miles 32,262 AEG
Backpack161.56 Miles6 Days         
32,262 ft AEG
 
1st trip
I was kind of looking to see where I was at for another big trek this summer and Karl was looking to experiment with a lighter weight higher mileage backpack, so I proposed Picketpost Mountain, or the beginning of section 18 of the Arizona Trail to Pine and the end of section 26 of the Arizona Trail. Karl was down for four days and had a somewhat flexible plan for ending his trip when he needed to. Meanwhile, I was about 50-50 if I could do the entire hike and was content with just seeing how far Karl and I could get and then playing the rest of my trip by ear, or I should say by body.

Day 1: 29.92 miles 6268 aeg

We made it to our planned first night's campsite on day one, Walnut Spring. Section 18 really exceeded my expectations. This is about the best time of year to be walking though that desert right now and Whitford proved to be a real treat with the flowing water and abundance of green. The climb was grueling and relentless but it offered some very solid views of the area and was really made manageable by liberal use of switchbacks. Karl was so confident with our performance at that point in the day that he insisted we bag Montana Mountain while we were up there. I agreed, but only because I was born in Montana and I said it had to count it as our break. Reavis Ranch looked like Daytona Beech and I had not apprehensions about making the short trip past it to my cozy little campsite at Walnut Spring. Got to Walnut just at headlamp time. Blew through camp chores, made a fire, ate and got to bed as soon as we could.

Day 2: 25.67 miles 6392 aeg

We came up a little short on our proposed campsite on this day, but the hiking was great so no worries. No stranger to the Eastern Supes, but Sunday still offered me all new areas after Two Bar Ridge. Cottonwood Canyon was great! No shortage of water in there and some cool little sites in this random little riparian jungle in the far corners of the northwestern Supes. A little bit of road and then it was the traverse from hell along the 188 waiting for that damn bridge to come into sight. From the bridge it was up the stairway to heaven. Where fittingly we had a trail angel waiting for us with tons of snacks and H20. After our sugar, hops, and caffeine binge at Mills Ridge we decided to just push for Buckhorn Creek. However, on that side of Four Peaks, pushing for a few extra miles usually entails a nice chunk of aeg as well, so we earned it. I did find a set of Indian ruins though along the way, so that was cool. We were both excited to learn that after carrying all that fresh water from Mills Ridge, there was water flowing in Buckhorn Creek. Oh well no filtering to do, quicker camp set-up, quick fire and in bed even earlier than previous night.

Day 3: 31.24 miles 5239 aeg

Day three was all new ground for me. Four Peaks makes you work, but alas the beauty of nature is enhanced by the ardor of the journey. I really enjoyed this section, an instant new favorite! I hiked through perhaps one of my nicest sunrises in a long time and marked several rock pile sites along the trail for future exploring. This section just kept getting better for me as we neared Four Peaks and started contouring towards Pigeon Spring. The lingering and previous snow had some of the creeks flowing nicely along this stretch and the trail got very nice as we approached its end. The road felt a little like Mad Max with the amount of Jeeps, trucks and atvs out. However, I must say not one negative experience with any driver and I do not think I have been offered as much water in such a short amount of time as I was along that 11 mile stretch of road. One guy asked, "is there anything else I could give you?" I said I could use some sunscreen and he offered up the whole bottle. The hike down into Sycamore was also very nice, again a great time to be in the lowlands, a little water, some flowers and green. However, it was hard to appreciate at times with the fatigue and anxiety over coordinating a last minute drop off of some additional things I felt I needed, if I was going to have any chance of reaching Pine. The drop and pick went smooth, a small adventure, but relatively smooth. We did not get an ideal spot to camp, but spirits were high after our resupply.

Day 4: 24.7 miles 6297 aeg

This was the day Karl and I would be saying our goodbyes. Karl decided on a Peely exit and I would push on to Bear Spring from there. More new trail for me to start the day and again I was not disappointed. The canyons on the way up to Saddle Ridge were picturesque, there was a lot of water and signs of some pretty extensive trail work in spots. I will admit things got a little dicey after we left the quaint McFarland Spring area, but we endured. The trails definitely need some work in there. I found myself kind of embracing the ruggedness and challenge the area presented. However, I could see that area becoming another hiker's hell if they were not expecting it. Karl and I parted at Peely. Losing Karl sucked, as he and I had a good thing going the first few days. Karl was keeping our pace in the areas where I tend to day dream and I was doing what I could do to keep us at a respectable place for some of the more stout climbs. But no time to dwell, I was solo now and needed to reach Bear Spring, just another 2000 feet of aeg and a shade under ten miles. There is no sense harping on the point, but the Divide Trail is getting nasty along there and I did make it to Bear Spring before head lamp conditions, but I was obliterated from that last little push from Peely. I replaced Karl with another Carl at Bear Spring. I am going to assume he spells his with a C. Anyways, I ran into Carl, better known as Spiced Rum on HAZ. He was on the final night of a backpack to gather some information for future work in the area. We chatted it up for awhile and I am not ashamed to admit I took some extra snacks from him. He was leaving a day early and I could not believe the amount of food I was going through on these long days, so I had no problem taking the charity. Superb stuff too, some great dried fruit, trail-mix and a Rice Crispy treat. Good guy all around and a source of wealth on some other major trails that I am interested in. And what a nice little spot to camp near Bear Spring, that saddle is great, I see why toughboots is fond of the place.

Day 5: 26.9 miles 4051 aeg

This was my make or break day. I had my city creek trailhead bailout option if needed, or I was pushing for the East Verde via the dreaded Red Hills and making my final push for Pine from there. The divide trail has its ups and downs, both in terrain and condition, but overall it was pretty smooth going. There is a section of Divide Trail that is now immaculate from about the intersection with Brody Seep to the intersection with Barnhardt. Kudos to that trail crew. I stopped for way too long to soak my legs and filter water and then realized I was looking at about ten more miles to include the worst part of the Red Hills and it was nearly three. My rational side said, "set up camp here, hike out LF or Saddle Ridge tomorrow," however, my other side said, "quit making excuses and finish the original plan." I am not sure what it was, but I was really dreading the last half of the Red Hills. Out of paranoia of being too exhausted to complete the entire section and having to dry camp somewhere I carried way too much water. This weighed me down and annoyed me even more as several of the creeks and main valleys I crossed had running water in them. As it turned out, while my worries were warranted, I did just fine and to be honest felt the area did not seem as bad as it had before and I must give props to the horse(s) whose tracks I followed through the entire Red Hills section, a doable stretch, just may require more time and detail. Camped at the Verde where I was serenaded to sleep by cows, frogs, chickens, maybe peacocks, cats and perhaps even a species of monkey. A very lively river at night.

Day 6: 23.08 miles 4329 aeg

This was the one I was waiting for, the "easy" day. A nice early start, I don't think there is a better place to be in the world than a half hour before light in the mountains somewhere, just pure serenity. There were ankle breakers abound on this day of Whiterock and Hard Scrabble. A nice steady pace was all I tried to keep and I followed a liberal break plan, as I crawled into Pine. The final two sections were not my favorite, but they were also the last two sections of a 160 mile trek so they would have had to have been perfect to really capture my imagination. Nevertheless, I got through both of them and endured the lava rock tread and bland road. I did find the last few miles to be more redeeming with the scenic Oak Spring and Bradshaw tank area. It was a reunion at the trailhead with Jackie and the pups, Del Taco and then home.

Final Notes

I need to work on a better nutrition plan for these big ones. I simply did not bring enough caloric energy for the type of days I was doing and the amount of energy I was putting out. I need to go healthier and more efficient, just a good lesson to learn.

Karl played a huge role in getting me through those first four days, very glad to have him through there, he was missed later.

A good song to have stuck in your head while hiking is Passion Pit, "Take a Walk."

I can definitely go lighter on these ones too, I packed light, but by no means did I make any attempts to go ultra-light. In the future, that may be needed to knock out some of these more ambitious multi day treks.

The hardest days by far were Day four with its nearly 7000 feet gained and day five with its 27 legit miles through the Mazzies without as much as a foot of road relief until the very end.
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Wildflowers Observation Moderate
About normal to not so great, to really good in spots. Most action in the first few sections though.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bear Spring - Fisher Quart per minute Quart per minute
Spring box full.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Bradshaw Tank 51-75% full 51-75% full

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Bullfrog Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Did not observe spring area, but light flow in canyon and some of surrounding drainages..

dry Chillicut Spring Dry Dry
Very dry in area, trough in disrepair, might find a seep if lucky.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Cottonwood Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Cottonwood Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle

dry Crabtree Spring Dry Dry
Did not observe spring, but some light flowing water with small pools in wash near

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Oak Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Full trough, flow in wash, quality water.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Pigeon Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Spring box full, quality water, seeping out around base.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Pine Creek at Reavis Gap #117 Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Reavis Creek at Fireline #118 Medium flow Medium flow
Nice flow as usual

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Reavis Creek at Gap Trail #117 Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Reavis Saddle Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
A pool in area marked spring, not overly reliable though from my experience..

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Rogers Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Saddle Ridge Pasture Tank 51-75% full 51-75% full
Muddy and dirty.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Sandy Saddle Falls Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
some pools, not much in way of flowing water.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Shake Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Medium flow in wash with several nice pools and small cascades.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Theodore Roosevelt Lake 51-75% full 51-75% full

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Walnut Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Spring box full, good quality water.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Walnut Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Box is full, quality water

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Whitford Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle

dry Windsor Spring Dry Dry
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Sep 04 2015
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Whiterock Mesa - AZT #25Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
Hiking avatar Sep 04 2015
kingsnakeTriplogs 894
Hiking10.26 Miles 1,863 AEG
Hiking10.26 Miles   4 Hrs   20 Mns   2.37 mph
1,863 ft AEG
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Rather than following the initial route south, I cut straight across AZ 87, using the culvert just north of the Pine TH driveway. Didn't need to crouch. After checking out the memorial I had noticed, I bumped across two dead elk. The first somewhat scattered, the second unfortunately not scattered. It was gross. And it smelled. :o

Trail #16 west was okay. Nothing special. A bit rocky. Nice view down Oak Spring Canyon towards Arrowhead Canyon Estates and AZ 87. Might have to hike that sometime. It eventually empties out at Tonto Natural Bridge. The intersection with Walnut Trail #251 is obvious, but only the southern segment, along the AZT. Despite at least 10 minutes searching I was unable to find the northern segment, up canyon. :-k I settled for going straight up the creek bed.

After a few hundred yards, I found the trail, which crosses the creek many times in the two miles to FR 428. It's a nice trail surface, cairned, plenty of shade, and pretty too. :)

Pine-Strawberry Trail #15 has been realigned in many places from what is on FS Topo. (The correct/new alignment is reflected in the official route.) It's enjoyable as well, with nice views east along the Mogollon Rim. I was hoping for some MTB action, but it was not to be. :| Might be worth hauling a cooler of beer up to several points to watch next weekend's races.

Found some obvious bear tracks near Cottonwood Spring -- which, despite 10 minutes searching, I was unable to locate. (The spring, that is, not the bear.)

I engaged in blatant cloud pr0n. :D

At one point I went to sit on a rock, but some critter had already pooped on it. I had a Johnny Cochran moment: If the rock has ****, I cannot sit. :lol:

I'd measured the hike at a little over seven miles, so I figured it would actually be eight. By the time I finished, I had over 10 miles under my belt. Unfortunately, the only beer I had to greet me was that awful "Go To IPA". :yuck: I ended up pouring half of it out for my dead elk homies.

The sun came & went all day, but I never did get rained on. Caught a few sprinkles heading south out of Payson. It must have poured earlier, as there were puddles in spots on AZ 87 near Mt. Ord. Lots of cops out. Traffic backed up 50 cars at the casino light, heading into Payson for the holiday weekend "getaway". :roll:

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Pine 2 Strawberry Video: youtu.be/n1h_1GjnpE8
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99.9% of the flowers were these small yellow things.

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 Phoenix, AZ
Oak Springs from Hardscrabble RdPayson, AZ
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Hiking4.54 Miles 764 AEG
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My girlfriend and I were staying at a cabin in Pine for the weekend, and this hike was only about 5 minutes away, so we figured we'd check it out. Didn't expect a whole lot from this hike, but it turned out to be pretty nice. We were thinking we missed the trailhead, but it turns out we actually hadn't gone far enough down the road. The TH is very visible from the road and there's enough parking for several cars. It was a little warm when we got there but there was some cloud cover and a breeze.

Most of the trail meandered gently through the forest. The area is very lush with a lot of greenery. At some points we got some good views of the canyon. There were some nice patches of wildflowers here and there. The area seemed very vibrant and alive. I've never seen so many butterflies in one place!

I didn't do a whole lot of research on this one, so a couple miles in when we got to the sign pointing left to the Oak Spring Trail, we figured that was the way to the spring. You'd think the "Oak Spring Trail" would get you to Oak Spring, right? Nope. Lol. The trail immediately started switchbacking up out of the other side of the canyon and we knew we went the wrong way. We backtracked to the sign and just continued ahead on the Walnut Trail for a few minutes and saw the sign for the spring itself. There were a couple nice little meadows before getting to the spring.

The spring area was a very nice shaded setting, though it was loaded with yellowjackets. Looked to be a good amount of water coming from the spring, but it was hard to see it as it was almost completely covered in greenery. We enjoyed the shade, dodged the yellowjackets, and hung out for a while before heading back. The hike back was a nice stroll. Saw a good sized snake on the way back.
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Hardscrabble Mesa Lasso, AZ 
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Hiking15.32 Miles 2,871 AEG
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Wanted to check out the Hardscrabble Mesa area so threw together a lasso loop using Oak Spring Trail #16, Walnut Trail #251, and FR's 1655, 1654, and 428. Really nice hike; the weather was great, 37 degrees at the start, warming up to a nice 77, saw a herd of 5 elk that actually weren't camera shy, and chatted with, a thru-hiker from Ohio, who, even with my bright florescent green shirt on, didn't see us until I startled him with a shout-out :)

I posted a water report for Oak Spring which was flowing very nice. All the tanks we passed were full but not sure I would drink from them. Even in dire-straights, Pine-Strawberry is just a stone throw away, and That Brewery is a much better choice.
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Really nice flow on this day. The entire area was wet/damp.
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Whiterock Mesa - AZT #25Payson, AZ
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
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From Pine TH headed out on Oak Spring trail to the intersection with Walnut Trail and up onto Pine Ridge a bit past Ridge Tank. There is a lot more loose rock on Oak Spring trail than I remember. Autumn colors are just getting going in this area, probably 2+ weeks until prime. Great weather and some nice views of the RIm.
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