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Aug 20 2025
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Starved Rock State ParkNorthwestern, IL
Northwestern, IL
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Hiking8.00 Miles 1,200 AEG
Hiking8.00 Miles   4 Hrs   30 Mns   2.00 mph
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Humid day to hit the trails, especially for this desert dweller, but the high temperature only got to the low 80s and a breeze at the high points helped matters a bit.

I hiked pretty much everywhere accessible from the visitor's center/lodge area. Currently there are many closed trails and the entire eastern 3 miles of the park trail system (anything east of LaSalle canyon) is currently cutoff (perhaps accessible through an alternate trailhead?) The state park website will list all these trail closures, though it doesn't actually provide a map showing the closures.

There was still some nice waterfall action in St Louis Canyon, but even after some heavy rains earlier in the week, all other waterfalls in the park I could access were already dry, with just plunge pools remaining behind.

Eagle Lookout provided the best area to catch a breeze and a nice spot to eat lunch and listen to action of the boats going through the lock system.

Crowds were not terrible, but you will not find solitude here. Thins out a bit once you get a mile from the visitor center in any direction. Didn't see too much trash (only a small bit in relatively inaccessible places), but there is graffiti on just about every surface as mentioned in other triplogs, luckily none of it is in spray paint and can be mostly ignored.

Significant wildlife is tough to ask for in this narrow state park corridor with the lock system in the adjacent river. Saw chipmunks, squirrels, and a few birds including a great blue heron and pelican that were making use of the river. A few flowers were in bloom, but being well past spring, I wasn't expecting anything more.

All in all a nice day of hiking on well maintained trails, boardwalks, and lots and lots of stairs.
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dry Aurora Canyon Dry Dry
Dry at trail crossing

dry French Canyon Dry Dry
Dry at all trail crossings, a stagnant plunge pool exists below the (famous?) upper grotto.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max LaSalle Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
La Salle canyon was not flowing but had large pools of water throughout most of the canyon

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Saint Louis Canyon Medium flow Medium flow
Nice flow of cool and clear water along the whole canyon and the only waterfall action in the park today.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Starved Rock Pool 76-100% full 76-100% full
The dam system supporting the lock was releasing water from substantial rains earlier in the week. Maybe 100000 gallons per minute? Hard to estimate accurately in rivers this large.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Tonti Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Tonti (or Tonty) Canyon is closed to hiking, but I could observe that the canyon is mostly large stagnant pools, with no flow observed where the river trail crosses near its mouth.

dry Wildcat Canyon Dry Dry
Dry at all trail crossing and at the waterfall. A plunge pool was observed below the waterfall.
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Sep 24 2023
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Cienega Spring Trail #145Globe, AZ
Globe, AZ
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Spent an enjoyable weekend in the Sierra Anchas.

Cienega trail is a good warmup before the climb up to McFadden Horse Mountain. I enjoyed the prime pine forest up top and wandered all the way to the overlook. Unfortunately a great deal of fog and low hanging clouds disrupted the scenic view. I spent time wondering whether the Native Americans that lived in the fort had any fear of heights.

Nobody seems to report the number of easily accessible/explorable mines along the Cienega trail. I peeked into a few but they all looked very mazelike, and a few had collapsed areas, so I didn't explore very far.

The McFadden Horse Mountain trail appears to get so little use that there is no discernable trail up top on the forest floor, but the Forest service appears to have constructed hundreds of cairns to try to keep you on track. While I thought at first the cairns were excessive, I still managed to lose the trail several times, usually where fallen trees had covered the cairns, so I appreciated all the effort they had put in.

The next day I headed up Reynold's creek and summited Center mountain and did a good deal of the way down the other side towards Lucky Strike, but turned around due to time concerns before reaching the intersection. I also wandered to the Dry Tank near the top of the mountain, and true to name, it was basically dry except a little mud in the middle.

On the way back I took the "other" Center mountain trail back to the Reynold's Creek trail. Both Center Mountain trail options have drawbacks. The lower trail is significantly overgrown. The upper trail is eroding and has several enormous fallen trees that completely block the trail. I can't recall both limboing while doing a monkey bar traverse before, but that is what it took to get through one section.

More flowers were observed along Reynold's creek trail than others.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Cienega Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Maybe 2 liters per minute. The hose to the tank appears clogged but the tank itself had a bit of water in it, and the entire ground around was soaked. The spring cistern at the source was overflowing.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Reynolds Creek Falls - Sierra Ancha Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
A trickle flowing over the falls. Below the falls there were a few stagnant pools as the water appeared to go underground.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max The Switchbacks Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
A slight flow was observed in the creekbed. Maybe a liter per minute.
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Jun 18 2023
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Pine Canyon Trail #26Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Trails are maintained but seem poorly designed. I don't think I've ever been on so many switchbacks in such short distances. Despite having hiked in 8 miles and being 6 miles from the nearest trailhead, somehow my campsite was passed by the entire town of Pine each morning, with many poorly behaving people.
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A few columbine along Pine Creek itself. Also some of the manzanita are still blooming.


water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Parsnip Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Estimated 30 gallons per minute

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Pine Creek @ Bearfoot Trail Medium flow Medium flow
Maybe 200 gallons/minute

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Sep 25 2022
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Smith Ravine Trail #297Prescott, AZ
Prescott, AZ
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Enjoyed an extended weekend in Prescott National Forest.

All the trails were in good condition. I spent time fixing drainage issues on Smith Ravine Trail. Highlight of the trip was eating lunch on Spruce Mountain while deer were grazing 50 feet away.

Lots of friendly people out and about on the Lynx Lake Loop. The southern portion of the Homestead trail would make for a good backpacking trip right about now. Found a new trail to add to HAZ during my wanderings.
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Wildflowers Observation Substantial

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Lynx Lake 76-100% full 76-100% full
100% full and a healthy flow over the spillway

dry Smith Ravine Spring Dry Dry
appeared dry though there was water in about every other drainage
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Sep 05 2022
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Mormon Lake - AZT #29Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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Spent several days doing dayhikes to finish off segments 28, 29 and enjoy the great weather. Only saw a few elk and no deer, but lots of cows and horses. There were approximately 1 million people camping in the vicinity of Happy Jack and Mormon Lake on this Labor Day Weekend.

While the Mormon Lake segment was in perfect shape, I spent perhaps a total of 1.5 hours cutting and clearing smaller fallen trees off of segment 28. It appeared the recent storms were not friendly to the forest in this segment. There were 3 large fallen trees well beyond my capability on the trail where it makes a turn near Elkhorn tank. These will require a sawyer team and crosscut saw. Exact coordinates can be provided if requested.
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Wildflowers Observation Substantial
Mormon Lake, nearly all the meadows in this area, Allen Lake are bursting!

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max 9486J Tank 26-50% full 26-50% full
Water here, perhaps 30% full, seemed a reasonable source for backpackers to use.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Allan Lake Tank 26-50% full 26-50% full
Looks like 40% full, would be difficult to access the water

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Double Springs Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Light flow but clear and cold.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Maxie Tank 26-50% full 26-50% full
A little less than half full, but the water appeared clear and a good source for AZT backpackers.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Navajo Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Lots of water here

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Shuffs Tank 26-50% full 26-50% full
A little less than half full, but generally clear and looked to be a good source of water for AZT backpackers.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Smith Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Another small pond here

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Spring Beach Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Small pond here

dry Van Deren Spring Dry Dry
The ground seemed damp in this area but I didn't observe any water from the trail.
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Jul 29 2022
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Anderson Mesa - AZT #30Flagstaff, AZ
Flagstaff, AZ
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The Anderson Mesa portion (geographically, not just the AZT segment) is extremely muddy, difficult to hike in the morning, and impossible to hike while raining, due to the goopy mud. I would recommend anyone exit at Sandy Canyon trail and hike the Lake Mary rd until the AZT crosses south of Upper Lake Mary.

Over 2 days hiking I only had to shelter from lightning for about 45 minutes, but spent hours hiking in the rain. I'd guess the area got 4 inches over those 2 days.
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water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Prime Lake 1-25% full 1-25% full
a little bit of water way out in the mud flats

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Upper Lake Mary 51-75% full 51-75% full
Maybe 51-75% full? About 9 feet below the spillway.
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Jun 27 2022
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Mormon Mountain Trail #58Flagstaff, AZ
Flagstaff, AZ
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Fairly steep as most of the elevation gain is in the first 1.5 miles. Continued onto the radio towers.
Saw a couple of hikers on the way up, and one hiker and one biker on the way down. Great weather, and the rain held off until after I finished. Wildlife was hiding, I only saw a few squirrels.
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Jun 26 2022
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Anderson Mesa - AZT #30Flagstaff, AZ
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Spent a few days dayhiking mileage on the AZT, having to work around the Walnut Canyon Stage 3 closure. The weather was a mix of rain and hail the first night with a mix of heavy and light rain the following few nights. I imagine they will lift all the fire restrictions in Coconino soon.

I enjoyed the section of AZT segment #30 that goes along the old railroad line. Very enjoyable and also seemed to attract trail runners. The Anderson Mesa portion is rather dull.

Spoke for awhile to a backpacker doing the segment from Upper Lake Mary to Pine. There is no surface water to speak of along segment #30, and backpackers going the reverse direction will probably have to get by via collecting rainwater.

Sadly, I saw no wildlife except for a garter snake and a hummingbird. (I am not counting the cows roaming the mesa.) The hummingbird was working overtime to find the few isolated flowers.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Dairy Tank 51-75% full 51-75% full
A small pond is here

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Dairy Tank 51-75% full 51-75% full
A small pond is here

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Double Springs Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
This is a nicely flowing creek, the only water I saw along the AZT in the 16 miles of AZT I hiked.

dry Horse Lake Tank Dry Dry
Cows were milling around in the grassy area that would normally be this lake.

dry Horse Tank Dry Dry
Dust bowl

dry Lockwood Spring Dry Dry
I saw no water in this area, and the spring isn't marked/signed from the AZT.

dry Mayflower Spring Dry Dry
Saw no standing water in this area, no signs/marking on the AZT advertised its location either.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Mormon Lake 1-25% full 1-25% full
For the most part, the Mormon Lake area is dry. A few of the deepest parts in the middle still have water. I'd estimate the lake as 1% full.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Upper Lake Mary 51-75% full 51-75% full
Upper Lake Mary has water, but is a detour off the trail.
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May 28 2022
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Los Caballos Trail #638Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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Hiking20.00 Miles 1,650 AEG
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Did this entire trail split over 2 days. A little hot on Friday. Nice breeze on Saturday. Due to the many roads in the area you have plenty of alternate routes you can build to split it up.

The trail dips in and out of areas devastated by the Rodeo-Chedeski fire, but the burned areas have sprouted oak trees everywhere, a few pines and junipers, but these are only about 12 ft high. Another 20 years more and you can call it a forest again. The east side of this loop is more forest, whereas the west side of the loop is more burn scar.

The trail, like most in the White Mountain Trail system, is basically a linked set of jeep roads, supposedly closed to motorized travel, though the ATV crowd ignores the signs. A few short segments of actual trail link where there are no good road connections. This makes for brush free hiking, and fairly easy though perhaps not as adventurous feeling a hike. It is also why the trail zig-zags all over the place.

Appears someone had an illegal campfire and burnt a small patch of forest a week ago, near where the trail crosses Joe Tank rd on the west side. Seems the firefighters got it before it spread too far. Looked like the forest service is still investigating the area.

Saw more wildlife than I typically do: gopher snake, deer, a herd of feral horses, a few cows, various reptiles. A few hikers too, though nobody else more than 2 miles from the trailhead besides the ATVs. Surprised this trail hasn't seen that many HAZ triplogs.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Fence Tank 1-25% full 1-25% full
A Small amount of water, didn't look too bad

dry Joe Tank Dry Dry

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Morgan Tank 1-25% full 1-25% full
A little bit of nasty water.
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May 08 2022
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Monument Peak Loop - PATSPayson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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This is an easy loop on the gravel of jeep roads. Of note, the trail allowed motorized vehicles, so you may suck exhaust on occasion. Besides seeing the destruction caused by ATVs going off trail, there was nothing scenic about this hike.

On the north side of this loop, a spring and the creek outflows that resulted have mostly eaten the road/trail into nothingness.
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May 07 2022
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See Spring Trail #185Payson, AZ
Payson, AZ
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See Canyon to See Spring, continued up canyon a bit, then decided to climb directly up towards Carr Lake Loop (this was very stupid, do not do this - last 200 yards was really crappy class 4 with high penalty points), but luckily I recovered from this and wandered around on the rim for awhile, then back to Carr Loop to Carr Trail to Drew to Highline. All numbered trails were in excellent condition. Only saw a pair of hikers and a lone mountain biker. Weather was great.
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 FR9350 I/J Tank 76-100% full 76-100% full
Very full, looks like a nice spot for birding.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 See Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
The spring appears to be a tunnel, the water seems to enter this tunnel 200 yards above the spring.
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Apr 15 2022
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Nelson Trail #159Camp Verde, AZ
Camp Verde, AZ
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My plan for this backpacking trip didn't really work out because of the lack of water. The only available water appeared to be within 1 mile of the trailhead from a series of 4 springs that collectively appear to be called Nelson Place spring.

If I would offer a suggestion it would be to explore the Pine Mountain Wilderness via dayhiking. The Salt Flat campground area is pretty nice, though you have to bring all your water with you.

I would also warn potential backpackers that other triplogs reporting water for "several miles along the start of their hike" probably aren't really counting their distance and don't realize that the water ends after the first mile.

While the Nelson trail was in good shape, most of the other trails are in poor condition. The worst was the Salt Flat connector trail, and the second worst was the Verde Rim trail. Surprisingly you will find cows along every trail, including at the top of Pine Mountain itself!

I ran through 90% of my water when I was only halfway through my Saturday loop, likely due to the higher than forecast temperatures, so I struggled to finish the trip.

Takeaways:
The spring fed areas along Nelson trail are very nice, and I was surprised to see all the trout.
Pine Mountain is an enjoyable destination, and there are great views of the entire Mazatzals from the top.
The rest of the trails suffer from significant overgrowth. Some also suffer from not-existingness in sections. There was easily a half mile stretch of Pine Flat trail where I didn't see any evidence of a trail.
For some reason, once you get away from Nelson trail by more than a quarter mile (except Pine Mtn itself), you will only see Junipers, no pine trees.

Driving: Lots of triplogs speak to road conditions. I would say the last 7 miles to the trailhead is rated a high clearance rd. I think 2wd with limited slip differential or else 4wd is helpful due to the rough road. From highway 17 to trailhead took 60 minutes. From trailhead to highway 17 took 56 minutes.
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dry Beehouse Canyon Dry Dry

dry Beehouse Spring Dry Dry
I was on the lookout for this spring, but didn't see anything wet.

dry Bishop Spring Dry Dry
No water in this area that I saw, perhaps I didn't go far enough off trail downcanyon?

dry Black Alder Spring Dry Dry
Perhaps I missed the spring, but didn't find anything.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Nelson Place Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
A lifesaver. Collectively the 4 different areas water came out of the ground probably add up to 100 gallons per minute.

dry Willow Spring Dry Dry
Perhaps I missed the spring, but didn't find anything.
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Apr 03 2022
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Noodle Loop Trail #760Prescott, AZ
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To make up for the sufferfest I went through on my last backpacking trip, for this weekend I chose an easy wander through the Spence Basin area, as I was fairly certain the trails were well maintained, and I enjoyed my last visit to this area. I found the trail conditions to be excellent.

Weather was about perfect for the 3 days, with the high reaching 70 and lows staying above freezing. I managed to complete all the parts of my plan well ahead of schedule. I only spent about 8 hours hiking over the 3 days, leaving plenty of time for lounging, relaxing and catching up on both reading and sleep.

While this area is popular with bikers it is also open to hiking and backpacking. Many of the trails skirt nearby housing developments, but even so I found the trails enjoyable, although many of them have few distinguishing features.

Was lucky to run into some deer on Saturday, as that was more wildlife than I expected to see in an area of forest hemmed in by housing developments. Sadly, this area seems to have no spring wildflowers at all and in general the landscape has a drab appearance as if it is still recovering from a harsh winter.

For HAZ members looking to rack up some easy miles through scrub-oak/pine woodland, I'd recommend this area in the spring and fall when it is otherwise a bit hot to hike in the low desert.

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Light flow at the sidekick crossing

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Medium flow at Little Italy crossing, along Javelina, along Willow Creek, and at Willy Nilly crossing.
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Decided to spend 3 days getting my butt kicked by the Superstition Wilderness. And a solid kicking was indeed delivered!

Day 1: Drove to Rogers Trough TH (road is in excellent condition), observed a small army of vehicles at the trailhead, and headed southeast to finish off AZT segment 18 and make my way over to Spencer Spring Trailhead. I made pretty good time. Got passed (and passed) several motorized groups. A few offered water, and one declined assistance after a spill off their motorcycle.

Spencer Springs trail is one of a few left in the Supes I've never done, and my hope was that the fire had reduced the overgrowth. Unfortunately there are several problems with the trail, both due to the fire and the lack of maintenance. The trail suffers from erosion, overgrowth, and not-existingness. While the first half mile was somewhat reasonable for a trail that sees maybe 5 hikers a year, once you get past Spencer Springs, everything goes to hell. The trail goes along the side and top of a ridge for about 2 miles. The ridge appears to have been burned to moonscape by the fire, and what's regrown is mainly grass, lots of grass. Furthermore, the erosion has made it so that the trail is not really visually any different from the surrounding land. Everything, including the trail, is covered in grass (and some other brush.) The good news is that it is fairly easy to plow through. The bad news is that the only way you can tell if you are on the trail is to feel with your feet where it is slightly harder pack ground, but that doesn't always work. I got off trail many, many times, thankfully the GPS track is pretty good to help find it again.

After the ridgeline the trail dumps you into the canyon bottom, but does a ridiculous steep climb up the other side before disappearing into fireburn and some overgrowth. Do yourself a favor and simply stay in the canyon bottom. In fact, staying in the creekbed is the key, as the rest of the "trail" attempts to wind its way along the creekbed on small benches. Nearly every bench is horrifically overgrown with catclaw. I abandoned the trail after a few follies in plowing through the stuff. Stay in the creekbed!

Behind schedule, I camped along Spencer Spring creek (there is a nice flow through the canyon) after following the creekbed to a 40 ft waterfall, and realizing it was getting pretty late to find the trail that goes around it. Unfortunately a skunk decided to spray very near my tent sometime that night...my guess is that I may be the first human it had encountered and it disliked my presence...or maybe I snored and scared it...who knows?

Day 2: Finished the SS trail the next morning. Luckily, the final half mile of trail has escaped the fire and is a pleasant stroll through a patch of surviving forest. In fact, everything west, south, and east of Oak Flat, for about 0.5 miles in each direction, appears to have escaped the blaze. However, the creekbed is now about 40 feet wide, full of sand and small gravel, and there seems no surface water in this area for roughly a third of a mile in any direction. This may hamper those who desire to camp at Oak Flat.

I had planned to explore the Cuff Button trail, but the horrific trail conditions, lack of surface water in the creek nearby, and slow progress thus far made me change plans to just cancel this part of my trip. I headed up West Pinto trail. I was initially thrilled because for about the first 0.75 miles the West Pinto trail was in wonderful shape. But then my hopes were dashed as within the next 0.25 miles it turned into a brutal bushwhack through shrub oak, until I reached the first crossing of the creek. I took a break here. In retrospect it would have been easier to just abandon the trail at Oak Flat and hike upstream in the creekbed to get to this point. Legends of a trail crew clearing the entire WP trail have clearly been exaggerated, though they did do a great job as far as they got.

As I took a break, I filtered some water and contemplated hiking the creekbed upstream vs continuing on taking the trail along the north side of the creek. I regrettably decided on the trail because I wasn't sure if the entire creekbed would be navigable headed upstream. (It is, except for a minor 15 ft waterfall that is easily skirted.) Future travelers should definitely take the creekbed option, hiking in the creekbed to the Silver Spur Cabin drainage.

The next 2 miles of West Pinto trail was the most horrible catclaw gauntlet I can recall on an actual named trail in the Superstitions. In some places along the trail it was so bad I had to push into it backwards to get it to give enough that I could start snapping off some of the canes with my feet. The after-trip assessment shows that I received significantly more shredding to my head, torso, thighs and back of my arms than I can recall on any previous hike. This accompanies the typical damage of the forearms, shins, and ankles. In addition to the catclaw downside, the trail is significantly eroded in this section and pitches towards the creek side, trying to get the hiker to lose their balance and tumble down the steep cliff to their death. I recommend others skip this section of trail.

Where the trail returns down to the creek, I hiked along the creekbed a short ways until I set up camp on a nice sandy berm on a rather wide stretch of canyon bottom (newly created from the erosion debris.) Luckily no skunks bothered me this second night.

Day 3: Continued hiking up the creekbed and explored the Silver Spur Cabin site. I found it easily. It seems someone has organized the remains into nice little piles. One pile of metal poles, one pile of tin roofing, one pile of the rusty stove bits, and a final pile of miscellaneous rusty junk. Not very interesting, but I crossed it off my list.

From this point the trail leaves the creek, and I followed it. Initially there was a bunch of catclaw to fight but very quickly the trail goes through serious eroded hills where dodging the catclaw proved slightly easier. The trail is pretty much nonexistent here, but as you continue climbing (steeply) the trail does eventually become recognizable. What I remember as the ridgeline full of manzanita has become the ridgeline full of shrub oak. The fire killed off all the manzanita save about 3 plants. In fact, where the trail is built at the very pinnacle of the ridgeline, it was perhaps marginally improved as the fire burned away nearly all the overgrowth.

After the serious steep climb, the disheartening plummet down to Iron Mountain Spring sank my spirits as the trail routing loses a large amount of elevation gain that you struggled with on the ridgeline. A small patch of forest survives here near Iron Mountain Spring, but is quite tangled with overgrowth. The campsite is no more and the concrete tank had been taken over and hidden into the overgrowth. The trail through this section is a disaster as the mountainside above is eroding heavily, washing out significant sections of the trail. Soon, I reach the final switchbacks that are also eroding, but generally burned clear of vegetation, until I crest Iron Mountain Saddle. From here, the last bit is easy, the trail is in reasonable shape and this segment of the West Pinto trail to the west of the saddle seems to have survived untouched by the fire. Only the last 300 yards of trail to connect to the Rogers Canyon trail are choked with catclaw, but most of the mile plus descent was fairly pleasant.
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dry Cement Spring Dry Dry
I did not see any water enter the creek from this direction. The actual spring seemed to be in the middle of a burned, catclaw filled thicket.

dry Crockett Spring Dry Dry
Where the spring is on the map was dry, and this side creekbed was entirely dry. If there was water here it would be entirely underground.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Iron Mountain Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
A little more than a gallon per minute flow was spilling down the drainage...did not trace it to the true spring source.

dry Oak Flat Spring Dry Dry
I did not see any surface water looking in this direction. I only saw a field of dry grass.

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Several gallons per minute flowing down the creekbed. The spring is offtrail and I didn't investigate.

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Seemed to be pumping out at least 2 gallons per minute. The nearby trough is dry as the pipes are likely clogged.

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Light flow of several gallons per minute along the creek, it disappears underground on a few occasions.

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There is a nice surface flow of several gallons per minute that flows nearly the entire canyon. The only time it seems to go underground is within about 0.3 miles upstream of oak flat.
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At some point in the last 15 years Picketpost changed from an overgrown dirt lot with parking for 3 vehicles (and a dilapidated/vandalized outhouse) to a massive construction project with ~80 designated parking/trailer spots, good quality restroom facilities, and sheltered picnic benches. :o The expense seemed worth it though as the trailhead was actually entirely full on Saturday! Lots of people out enjoying the unseasonably warm weather. :)

Trail design of the last 7 miles of AZT segment #18 north of Picketpost is inconsistent. Some good miles with competent construction, some mediocre miles.

The two AZT cattle gates nearest to US60 (one on each side) are in poor condition. One is held closed only by a small scrap of rope. The other barely stays closed likely due to ground settling. Otherwise the trail is very well maintained.

HAZ wind forecast failed to predict actual conditions. Overnight winds were 30mph with 60mph gusts on Saturday pre-dawn. Sunday pre-dawn was not quite as bad but also much worse than forecast. It's been a long time since the wind decided to rearrange my camp while I was asleep.

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Had a steady nice flow of maybe 5-10 gpm along the whole stretch of trail. Cow evidence is heavy so treat your water carefully!
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The creek was flowing nicely, though as you climb in elevation the volume decreases, the last water I spotted was at the 4 mile mark.

In my opinion this trail is not designed well and seems to use the steepest route to reach the top of Montana mountain. Grade seemed to generally be 20 - 30 degrees. Some of the suggestions are "Steep but switchbacks", but when the switchbacks are also at 30 degrees it defeats the purpose! For the casual hiker I'd recommend turning around at the 4 mile mark and skipping the major climb up and down. The idea that Reavis would have taken a horse drawn wagon up and down this trail to barter his vegetables is pure fiction. Maybe a pack train, but why, when there are better routes?


The trail is well maintained by the AZT community, the first 2 miles were immaculate and the next morning I encountered the trail steward who indicated he would be working on cutting back the catclaw on mile 3 (and 4?) today. There was a little overgrowth that I had encountered, and it is worst near the top of the mountain, but overall in good condition.

Camping was kind of miserable, Friday night it was extremely windy, despite being in a canyon sheltered by hills and ridges, and setting up behind a windbreak. Saturday night started off nicely but as it got later the wind picked up again. I really need to start reading the wind reports that HAZ provides.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Reavis Canyon Mud Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
I couldn't specifically tell you where the spring is, but there was plenty of flowing water in the creek here, though it did go underground at times.

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probably 30-60 gpm at the trailhead, with the flows diminishing after you are 2 miles in, dries up about 4 miles in.

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There was a good flow coming out of wood camp canyon, where it meets reavis trail canyon. maybe 10-20 gpm.
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Didn't do as much mileage as planned, turned around early for reasons. This section just south of the Reavis Canyon TH reminded me of Tonto trail, constantly dipping in and out of drainages. Trail was in good condition, major users of the trail were cows.

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Looked full from a distance, appears to be on private property though.
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Hiked from FR83 to the road and turned around. This is a fairly nice trail along a riparian drainage with intermittently flowing water. Saw a medium sized bear that quickly dashed away through the underbrush.

This area seemed to have completely escaped damage from the fire. Sadly, although there are some cottonwoods, there really aren't that many of them left alive. In contrast there are some magnificent stands of Saguaros.

Someone put a lot of work into getting the large tank and smaller cattle trough in working order at the lower trailhead.

I spent some time removing all the deadfall from the trail, even got wise and brought a small handsaw to make this sort of thing easier, having learned my lesson a few weeks ago. The trail really still needs someone to go through and cut back the catclaw.

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Intermittent flow, some areas trickle, some areas decent flow. Nothing the upper 1 mile from FR83.

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This is approximately the area in Cottonwood Creek that you will first start to observe surface water. Based on flows lower down this spring looks like it puts out a lot of water, but at the spot the spring is at you will only find a few tiny pools with the rest of the water staying underground.
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The goal was to finish off this corner of the Superstitions, I had yet to do the section to the Tule intersection.

It was a very windy day. 15-20 mph winds at lower elevations and 35-45mph winds when on the exposed ridgeline. It made for interesting hiking conditions. I passed several AZT backpacking groups that almost appeared to be in full artic gear. (The winds were somewhat chilly.)

The patchwork left by the fire was not terrible, as grass has taken over everything and at least is reducing erosion. The portions that survived untouched remained fairly nice.

I didn't enjoy all the elevation change. I don't think 100 yards of this trail was on flat ground.

As FYI, the road to the trailhead is spoken of in other triplogs as if it is the most scary rd in Arizona. If you have 4WD and high clearance I didn't really see many problem spots. It is definitely not the easiest road to drive though. There is one damaged area of road with a 3 ft erosion undercut but you can currently skirt it on the left...barely. If the USFS doesn't do something about that spot in another year or two the last mile to the TH will likely only become accessible by narrower ATVs once the surrounding ground collapses.

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looked muddy but still pretty full. Cows have been using it, so be prepared.
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Weather became a bit windier and a little cooler than yesterday, perfect weather for hiking though. Saw a few elk and one deer (and lots of cows). Started at Bargaman park and headed west. The trail segment that circles Bargaman park was fantastic. The rest of the trail I covered was not that interesting scenery wise. Saw a few other people out hiking today. Stressed out my back after unsuccessfully trying to move a fallen tree off the trail. It was heavier than it looked!
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Maybe 40% full, looked pretty clean.
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