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Pigeon Trail #134 - 10 members in 19 triplogs have rated this an average 3.2 ( 1 to 5 best )
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Pigeon Trail #134Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking9.68 Miles 2,519 AEG
Hiking9.68 Miles   5 Hrs   16 Mns   2.27 mph
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Created a fabulous lasso loop. Based off an outing from a year ago but altered a bit to make more Meetup friendly.Took a couple wrong turns on the way up. Turned into 20 miles off pavement over 2 hours.

Space for 1 vehicle to park sideways at TH. Almost immediately spotted cows. Instant beauty on trail. Missed turn off at jct which was behind us. Started heading down wrong way. I'm on a roll now. 😄

Headed along overgrown section of 4 Peaks to loop. Then down to main TH. Up Browns to saddle. This is where we would come in contact with the only other person on these trails. Across lightly used Amethyst and then back up Pigeon Spring.
 
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Four Peaks - AZT #20Payson, AZ
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Was able to convince a friend to help out with a shuttle, so it seemed a decent opportunity to knock off another AZT passage. Biggest unknown here was how much snow there would be, but with a 9am start, time wasn't a huge issue. Steep climb at the start, then a 4 miles or so of pretty mellow grade. Saw a few hikers and a mtb on this stretch.

After Mills Ridge TH the fun starts, but the climb is over with relatively quickly. There was a nice trickle in Buckhorn Canyon. Once up to 5k feet, snow started appearing on the north-facing slopes.

The final 9-10 miles were slower than anticipated, primarily because of the snow (luckily not icy, and never more than a few inches deep) and the slightly overgrown trail (although I seem to recall the AZTA describing this section as "completely destroyed" after the fire, so it could be worse).

Highlight was probably the view of the peaks from Black Bear Saddle.

A little over a mile after the saddle, I ran into my shuttle, so I had company the last four miles. From here on, we were mostly on the north side of the peaks, so all the drainages were flowing nicely.

Enjoyed this passage, and happy to lay claim to the "fastest Passage 20 time of the year so far" title.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Pigeon Spring Dripping Dripping
Trickle from the spring, box full of good water.

dry Shake Spring Dry Dry
No water in the spring, but lots in the canyon next to it.
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Pigeon Springs LoopPhoenix, AZ
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If you did not like the drive previously, you're going to hate it now. Any sedan that miraculously conquers 15-ish miles will unlikely negotiate one washed-out ravine filled with rocks no smaller in diameter than one foot on average.

Pigeon Trail #134 is well defined. Areas of green and a few trees escaped the beautiful mosaic burn. Mild brush, shorts-friendly for all but power whiners. Several ravines had a light flow from rain/snow a week ago. Occasional patchy 1-2 inch packed snow covered the trail.

We intended to hike Four Peaks Trail #130 out-n-back to Black Bear Saddle in hopes of witnessing a sleuth of bears. The northern slopes of the ravines were getting too dicey. Everyone mutually agreed to skip the final two miles to the famed sloth-ridden saddle.

On break early for lunch, I randomly suggested a ruin over on a knoll for Wally to check out as a joke. Naturally, he found a lost city or such. Lunch was history by 10:30 and the sun busted out! It wasn't really cold but it sure was nice to shake that dirty feeling of winter gloom.

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The curiosity of the Bush Fire aftermath brought us in and the dead of winter turned us around. I was excited to visit Pigeon #134 since it'd been ten years. These trails will be yawners to sportos, deweebs, etc but even with the burn I still like 'em. This was the shortest group hike I recall but my prior 24-mile minimum was falling on deaf ears...lol Great to finally meet Andy too!
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Shake Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
water report recorded in the field on our app Route Scout The elusive spring is unknown but the creek is flowing well
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4 Peaks 133-253-130-134 Loop, AZ 
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The drive:
Thinking it was a weekday and hot weather, we didn't expect any traffic on FR 143 but we weren't quite so lucky. We had to pass three pretty-much deaf ATC riders on the way up...
First rider: (tail-end Charlie) short beeps on the horn... no response, longer beep... no response so I just drove right on by.
Second rider: short beeps on the horn... no response, longer beep... no response, laid on the air horn, still nothing so again just blew on by.
Third rider: Must have heard the air horn because he just sped up and he simply wasn't going to let me pass so I figured we'd just ride his pumpkin until he realized his buddies (particularly tail-end Charlie) were FAR behind.
Finally at the FR 11 intersection he pulled off and we drove on by. They must have really been slow, because we would be over an hour into our hike before we heard them nearing the end of FR 143.

The hike:
Very much like our Mount Ord hike yesterday this was just a tad on the warm side. The humidity was a bit high early on so we worked up a big sweat on the climb up Brown's Trail. We continued past the Amethyst Trail #253 intersection to the saddle where we spent a bit of time wringing out our soaked clothes before heading back down to #253.

I hadn't been on the Amethyst Trail since 2004 (when there actually WAS a decent trail) so I really didn't know what to expect. Knowing a lot will have changed in 15 years along with my original track I also had Joe's 2014 #253 track.

And change it did... following it was much harder than I thought and I figured it wouldn't be long before Tracey would be chastising me for choosing this OFF-trail hike. Surprise, surprise, there were no complaints from Tracey... at least out loud.

It soon became a game of "here's the trail" followed moments later by "we lost it" after being forced to take a detour around a wall of Manzanita, only rinse and repeat over and over. The descent was almost as much work as the ascent on Brown's Trail, and with most of it in the direct sunlight it was getting pretty warm.

Once we hit #130 we had a real trail to follow and the descent to #134/AZT #21 was a lot easier. But by now the air temp was ramping up and we almost headed back on #134 right away, but decided to head south until we found a place to sit in the shade for our lunch stop, which turned out to be at the dry-as-a-bone Shake Spring.

Break over, time to hit the mostly-ascending trail to Pigeon Spring followed by the 100' climb to the road and the half-mile road-walk back to Lone Pine. The humidity had dropped steadily so the last hour or so wasn't too bad but I was definitely ready for the hike to end.

We took a leisurely pace on the drive back to 87 and with no vehicles to contend with it was nice.
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Oak Flat Trail #123Payson, AZ
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Up Oak Flat then NOBO to finish some miles on AZT#21 that I had missed, returned via PS loop. Big views but tedious road walking.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Shake Spring Dripping Dripping
Pools and trickle flow in the drainage below the spring. Pigeon Spring had water in the box and muddy downhill ground. Didn't drink from either.
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Better flow as you head down the drainage.

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dry Granite Spring Dry Dry

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Tracey had her birthday off and she wanted something 'reasonably' cool in temperature as well as views.
Hmmm, let's see, we hadn't done Brown's Peak in some time so maybe... NOPE!
She put her foot down fast on that one, you know, the 30% chance of thunderstorms after 11 am.
:scared:
I know... she just doesn't want to climb Browns Peak, probably EVER again.
:bdh:
I'm still set on driving up that way so we settled for a counter-clockwise Pigeon Spring Loop.
(Note spring singular as there is only one spring)

Since she's not one want anything but a nice hike on her birthday, little did she know just how much excitement she'd have on this birthday.

On the way up Four Peaks Road (FR 143) a few miles before the top we noticed a large cross. Having driven this road many a time over the years I had never noticed something this obvious, so it had to be recent. We glanced at it on our way but didn't stop, figuring we'll investigate further on the return trip. (We will, later...)

No vehicles at the Lone Pine TH so we had a very peaceful start. The clouds over Four Peaks appeared to be thinning out but we took our rain gear just in case.

We began on Four Peaks Trail #130 and hadn't gone a quarter mile before we encountered light sprinkles. But even at 72 degrees the humidity was such that I was loathe to put on my rain jacket. When the sprinkles continued I draped it over me to shield my camera if we should get a quick cloud-burst, but luckily the sprinkles soon stopped and the rest of the hike would be dry... except for the wet brush along the trails, of which there was plenty.

There were a few spots of over-growth along Trail #130 before the Pigeon Trail #134 intersection but they were of little consequence. However, between that intersection and the #130/#123 intersection (concurrent with AZT#20) there was a bit more over-growth. In a few spots the trail was completely blocked so I used my small pruning clipper to make a path.

But with branches as large as 1" in diameter it took a number of attempts before cutting through. If I had known this ahead of time I would have brought along my folding pruning saw, which was back in the Jeep.
:whistle:
Oh well... But if this growth continues, by next March through-hikers may have a bit harder time passing through this area.

Although it was still early when we reached the #130/#123 intersection, we were both famished so it was lunch time. The last time we were here (March 2015) this area was well shaded, but now after the fire (earlier this year I think?) we had no shade to speak of... at least where there was a comfortable place to sit.
:-({|=
Lunch over, time to begin the return trip. It shouldn't be a big deal, it's all downhill from... whoa! hold on just a minute, it's ALL UPHILL from here.
:sweat:
Once we passed through the areas I had trimmed and hit the Pigeon Trail things went pretty well. It seemed after each short steeper section there would be a flatter area to catch our breath before the next climb. It was still plenty humid though so again I found myself drenched from head to toe.
:sweat:
We took the short detour so we could say we at least SAW Pigeon Spring but kept on going. Back at the TH there was a man & his dog lazily wandering around before eventually heading out on the Four Peaks Trail like we had earlier.

Ok, our loop is complete but we aren't ready to head home yet so we drove north along FR 422 to check out future campsites. We took a short out-and-back hike to the end of FR 1351 but every halfway flat spot to pitch a tent on had an ant hill taking up residence.
](*,)
Farther north along FR 422 we did find a couple nice spots which we will keep in mind for our next two-day camping trip.

On the drive back down FR 143 we stopped to see what the private memorial was all about. It looks to be a pretty solid welded steel plate cross cemented into the boulder. Upon further investigation, it is for a man who was shot in North Tonawanda NY back on January 10, 2016. I can only assume it was placed there by his parents who I believe live in Mesa.
Whatever... the FS knows about it and is determining what to do about it.

In no hurry to get home we were taking a leisurely drive on FR 143. As we turned the corner by Cline TH there were two pickups, one with its back end off the road. The second pickup was just another guy who was driving by but had no means to help the one stuck, seemingly sticking around to see if other help would arrive. It did... and it was us!

I didn't ask, but it appears the guy was turning around and backed into the ditch. Although it was a 4x4 it would not engage and by this time had dug his wheels in pretty good. (bad?)
](*,)
I didn't have my winch this trip, only a short strap with metal hooks on each end. It was NOT designed for this so I was a bit gun-shy. Let's just say I did not want a repeat of a past-life experience with flying metal hooks, my 'duck!' reflex isn't near what it used to be.

Ok, we're hooked up, I put it in 4-low with both lockers on, took up the slack and tried to go. Nope, as I figured, the hard surface with a healthy coating of loose pea-gravel provided no traction whatsoever. So... just how much slack should I give before taking a run at it? I tried a 5-foot run at it and just got a grunt but the pickup didn't move.
](*,)
Ok, so now we have to get serious! The strap was hooked as low as possible on both vehicles so hopefully if we have a flying hook, it won't come through any windows.
I figured one last yank and if he's not out, too bad, we're outta here. So I backed up to provide about ten feet of slack and just hit the gas. BAM! The pickup was out of the ditch!
:y:
Hopefully the 4WD not engaging would be his only issue to fix, but when I looked at his right rear tire, it was so heat-checked with dry-cracks and even a piece of the sidewall gone so the cords were visible I told him this is a blow-out just waiting to happen.
:scared:
Whatever, it's his problem now and we headed on down the road. Because we were in no hurry, we let the guy in the other truck pass us, only to find him off the road a few miles farther on. So here's this guy standing next to his truck with a sheepish grin on his face, waiting for us to arrive.
:whistle:
He took one corner a bit too wide and his right front tire dug into a huge bank of soft pea-gravel, and of course the first instinct is to turn the wheel left... only to dig it in deeper.
:tt:
While it wasn't really funny, it was, because his son (5 years old?) had told him to slow down a while back but he didn't, and had paid the consequence.
:guilty:
While Tracey kept the boy entertained (well away from the vehicles) we got his truck hooked up
to the Jeep and this time, even with a bit better traction I decided one good yank is all we need, and that's just what it took. With profuse thanks he was on his way before we got turned back around.

I joked with Tracey that I should have told the guy it would cost him $100 to pull him out. If he said, wait, you didn't charge the other guy anything I'd say, well, based on his old beater truck that's probably all he could afford, but you have a brand new truck, so it will cost you... besides, you shouldn't put your 5 year old in danger like that.
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We had no further adventures but Tracey will be sure to remember this birthday for a long time.
:y:
All's well that ends well, I guess.
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April 9th
Miles: 19
AEG: 6,413 ft

We started the climb from the 188 around 7:30 AM. The goal for the day was to make it to Pigeon Springs. The weather was great, and the views of Roosevelt Lake got more spectacular as we climbed out of the basin. After taking a break at Buckhorn Spring, the trail climbs relentlessly before topping out and contouring the mountain.

Eventually we turned a corner and BAM!, the four craggy peaks were staring us right in the face. Quite the view! The trail through the Four Peaks passage is very well maintained, except for a small stretch where we were pushing through overgrowth that nearly obscures the trail. Despite the large swaths of burned forest, this passage was one of my favorite so far. Eventually we reached Pigeon Springs and found a relatively flat spot to set up our tents.

April 10th
Miles: 19
AEG: 2,196 ft

The morning began with a clear sky. After packing up the gear we headed for Pigeon Springs Rd to begin the long road walk. I'm usually not a fan of road walks, but this was an exception. There were great views on either side of the Superstitions, Sierra Ancha, and Lake Roosevelt. The immediate area itself was very beautiful as well. Around 10 AM we could see clouds beginning to build on top of Browns Peak, and a storm hitting the Supes.

We stopped to take out the rain jackets and a white mini-van rolled up and asked if this road would take them all the way back to the 87. I pulled out my map and told them it looked like the road ended well before reaching the 87 and that they needed to turn around and take El Oso or the other forest road. The wife sitting in the passenger seat seemed concerned that we were about to be backpacking out in the rain. :roll: By 11 AM it was lightly raining, which was initially quite exciting (I needed to test the rain gear anyway).

Just as we reached the Boulder Creek drainage the storm began to give us its all. Heavy rain, wind, and thunder! By the time we reached Sunflower, the trail was a muddy slip and slide, my phone was soaked and unresponsive (may it RIP ](*,) ), and we were slightly chilled.

We waited under the 87 underpass for my brother to arrive, who was picking us up so I could take an exam for an online class I'm taking before returning to the trail the next day.

April 11th
Miles: 12
AEG: 2,643 ft

After finishing up my exam, we were back on trail around 1 PM. Under the 87, we did some last minute gear prep before heading out and ran into three other hikers, Giltch, Kegel, and Minus. They were 17 days into their thru-hike and were excited to get into Pine for some much needed beer. We were all aiming for McFarland Canyon for the night.

We started up Saddle Mountain and enjoyed all the green scenery in the area. Just before reaching camp, we passed the half way mark for the AZT and celebrated with the thru-hikers before settling down for the night in McFarland Canyon.

April 12th
Miles: 21
AEG: 5,249 ft

The thru-hikers were up and leaving camp just as we were beginning to pack up. We weren't sure if we would ever see them again. The trail gets a little hard to follow just after McFarland Canyon to Thicket Spring. The Guthooks app says to head straight up a wash but apparently there is an alternative route that is clear of brush and well defined that you can take at the first junction past McFarland.

Once we reached the junction for the Peeley TH we stopped to take a break and ran into Joe, a gentleman I had met at a trail maintenance event about a month earlier. Quite the coincidence, if we would have left a minute earlier we probably would have never seen him. He was meeting up with another fellow to remove some downed trees along the trail.

The views along the Mazatzal Divide from Peeley to Y-Bar were my favorite for the entire trip. The rugged peaks of the Mazatzals and expansive views on either side were exciting to see. We ran into Minus again at the Bear Spring junction taking a lunch break. After taking our own lunch break at the spring, we headed for Horse Camp Seep.

As we approached Horse Camp Seep, we ran into the three thru-hikers again. There was another hour or so of light, so they continued on, we decided to call it a day where there was water. Horse Camp Seep was a sweet spot and had great camping.

April 13th
Miles: 18
AEG: 2,907 ft

The goal for the day was to make it to the East Verde River, a relatively easy day that was mostly downhill. We made our way along the Divide trail and passed "The Park", an inviting stand of pines and great campsites. We stopped to take a lunch break at the Red Hills seeps. From here the trail descends steeply to the East Verde River. Not very fun for the knees.

We camped just across the river and enjoyed the warmest night of the trip. We were now done with the Mazzies, and I felt the proposed "overgrowth" was kind of blown out of proportion, or there has been a lot of trail work in the past couple of months. Probably a bit of both. ;) I never felt like the trail was hard to find (except for the stretch between McFarland and Thicket) or that I had to deal with excessive brush that I wouldn't expect on most wilderness trails.

April 14th
Miles: 23
AEG: 4,196 ft

With burgers and beer on our minds, we got up early to make it into Pine with sufficient time to hit up THAT brewery and the market. The rocks along Whiterock and Hardscrabble Mesas were annoying and it felt like I was constantly stubbing my toes or rolling my ankle. Otherwise the area is quite beautiful and welcoming. The rocks put these two passages high on my list of "one and done" passages.

We reached Pine around 5pm with plenty of time to get burgers and beer. Lo and behold, we run into Minus, Kegel, and Giltch at the brewery along with another thru-hiker, Thomas, who was taking a zero in town. We joined them and enjoyed the comradery. Thomas decided to join us at camp for the night near the Pine TH while the others reserved the cabin in the back.

April 15th
Miles: 17
AEG: 3,303 ft

We woke up with frost all over our gear. :yuck: After packing up, Thomas headed for the Highline and we headed for breakfast at the Early Bird. Just before we finished up eating we ran into Minus who was getting some breakfast himself.

We headed for the Highline. It was nice to be climbing on a well graded trail with less rocks, especially because a hole was beginning to develop in my right shoe. I could feel every rock under my foot on that spot.

At Red Rock Spring we made a quick stop and finished off the last bit of the Arizona Trail Ale we picked up the night before at the market.

Once we reached Webber Creek we caught up with Thomas who was drying out all his gear. We stopped to take a break, and eventually Minus came strolling down the trail to join us. Minus decided to hike with us for a stretch after the break. The Rim gets right up in your face along this stretch and red dirt contrasting with the green pines and cedars made for great scenery.

We were about 9 miles from the finish and a little antsy to finish up. Eventually Minus stopped to take a lunch break and we continued on after filtering some water. Now with only 5 miles left, we kicked it into high gear and made for the Washington Park TH. Clouds started to build along the rim.

We reached the trailhead and got ready to hunker down for a few hours of inclement weather before our ride would arrive. However, after a few snow flurries, the clouds broke. Eventually Thomas and the other three thru-hikers caught up with us, we exchanged information, and said our goodbyes. All of them were very enthusiastic about Arizona and couldn't stop commenting on the diversity of the state and how we had a pretty cool home.

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Besides my foot issue due to my failing shoe on the last day, I felt great this entire trip. I never woke up sore or feeling exhausted. I listened to my body, and I was proactive about keeping my feet and knees happy. It really paid off and made the trip that much more enjoyable.

This concludes all of Southern and Central Arizona passages for me. I'm looking forward to the easy walking on the plateau to the UT border!
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Pools and light flow in drainage just south of spring.

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Flowing across the trail.

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Flowing over the cement box.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Polk Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Flowing across the trail, really muddy.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Pool East of 4264 - Boulder Creek Light flow Light flow
Pools with light flow in some areas.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Red Rock Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Shake Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Great flow, great water.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Upper McFarland @ #88/95 Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Webber Creek @ Highline Medium flow Medium flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Whiterock Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Best water of the trip.
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AZT Trail: Picketpost to Pine, AZ 
AZT Trail: Picketpost to Pine, AZ
 
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1st trip
I was kind of looking to see where I was at for another big trek this summer and Karl was looking to experiment with a lighter weight higher mileage backpack, so I proposed Picketpost Mountain, or the beginning of section 18 of the Arizona Trail to Pine and the end of section 26 of the Arizona Trail. Karl was down for four days and had a somewhat flexible plan for ending his trip when he needed to. Meanwhile, I was about 50-50 if I could do the entire hike and was content with just seeing how far Karl and I could get and then playing the rest of my trip by ear, or I should say by body.

Day 1: 29.92 miles 6268 aeg

We made it to our planned first night's campsite on day one, Walnut Spring. Section 18 really exceeded my expectations. This is about the best time of year to be walking though that desert right now and Whitford proved to be a real treat with the flowing water and abundance of green. The climb was grueling and relentless but it offered some very solid views of the area and was really made manageable by liberal use of switchbacks. Karl was so confident with our performance at that point in the day that he insisted we bag Montana Mountain while we were up there. I agreed, but only because I was born in Montana and I said it had to count it as our break. Reavis Ranch looked like Daytona Beech and I had not apprehensions about making the short trip past it to my cozy little campsite at Walnut Spring. Got to Walnut just at headlamp time. Blew through camp chores, made a fire, ate and got to bed as soon as we could.

Day 2: 25.67 miles 6392 aeg

We came up a little short on our proposed campsite on this day, but the hiking was great so no worries. No stranger to the Eastern Supes, but Sunday still offered me all new areas after Two Bar Ridge. Cottonwood Canyon was great! No shortage of water in there and some cool little sites in this random little riparian jungle in the far corners of the northwestern Supes. A little bit of road and then it was the traverse from hell along the 188 waiting for that damn bridge to come into sight. From the bridge it was up the stairway to heaven. Where fittingly we had a trail angel waiting for us with tons of snacks and H20. After our sugar, hops, and caffeine binge at Mills Ridge we decided to just push for Buckhorn Creek. However, on that side of Four Peaks, pushing for a few extra miles usually entails a nice chunk of aeg as well, so we earned it. I did find a set of Indian ruins though along the way, so that was cool. We were both excited to learn that after carrying all that fresh water from Mills Ridge, there was water flowing in Buckhorn Creek. Oh well no filtering to do, quicker camp set-up, quick fire and in bed even earlier than previous night.

Day 3: 31.24 miles 5239 aeg

Day three was all new ground for me. Four Peaks makes you work, but alas the beauty of nature is enhanced by the ardor of the journey. I really enjoyed this section, an instant new favorite! I hiked through perhaps one of my nicest sunrises in a long time and marked several rock pile sites along the trail for future exploring. This section just kept getting better for me as we neared Four Peaks and started contouring towards Pigeon Spring. The lingering and previous snow had some of the creeks flowing nicely along this stretch and the trail got very nice as we approached its end. The road felt a little like Mad Max with the amount of Jeeps, trucks and atvs out. However, I must say not one negative experience with any driver and I do not think I have been offered as much water in such a short amount of time as I was along that 11 mile stretch of road. One guy asked, "is there anything else I could give you?" I said I could use some sunscreen and he offered up the whole bottle. The hike down into Sycamore was also very nice, again a great time to be in the lowlands, a little water, some flowers and green. However, it was hard to appreciate at times with the fatigue and anxiety over coordinating a last minute drop off of some additional things I felt I needed, if I was going to have any chance of reaching Pine. The drop and pick went smooth, a small adventure, but relatively smooth. We did not get an ideal spot to camp, but spirits were high after our resupply.

Day 4: 24.7 miles 6297 aeg

This was the day Karl and I would be saying our goodbyes. Karl decided on a Peely exit and I would push on to Bear Spring from there. More new trail for me to start the day and again I was not disappointed. The canyons on the way up to Saddle Ridge were picturesque, there was a lot of water and signs of some pretty extensive trail work in spots. I will admit things got a little dicey after we left the quaint McFarland Spring area, but we endured. The trails definitely need some work in there. I found myself kind of embracing the ruggedness and challenge the area presented. However, I could see that area becoming another hiker's hell if they were not expecting it. Karl and I parted at Peely. Losing Karl sucked, as he and I had a good thing going the first few days. Karl was keeping our pace in the areas where I tend to day dream and I was doing what I could do to keep us at a respectable place for some of the more stout climbs. But no time to dwell, I was solo now and needed to reach Bear Spring, just another 2000 feet of aeg and a shade under ten miles. There is no sense harping on the point, but the Divide Trail is getting nasty along there and I did make it to Bear Spring before head lamp conditions, but I was obliterated from that last little push from Peely. I replaced Karl with another Carl at Bear Spring. I am going to assume he spells his with a C. Anyways, I ran into Carl, better known as Spiced Rum on HAZ. He was on the final night of a backpack to gather some information for future work in the area. We chatted it up for awhile and I am not ashamed to admit I took some extra snacks from him. He was leaving a day early and I could not believe the amount of food I was going through on these long days, so I had no problem taking the charity. Superb stuff too, some great dried fruit, trail-mix and a Rice Crispy treat. Good guy all around and a source of wealth on some other major trails that I am interested in. And what a nice little spot to camp near Bear Spring, that saddle is great, I see why toughboots is fond of the place.

Day 5: 26.9 miles 4051 aeg

This was my make or break day. I had my city creek trailhead bailout option if needed, or I was pushing for the East Verde via the dreaded Red Hills and making my final push for Pine from there. The divide trail has its ups and downs, both in terrain and condition, but overall it was pretty smooth going. There is a section of Divide Trail that is now immaculate from about the intersection with Brody Seep to the intersection with Barnhardt. Kudos to that trail crew. I stopped for way too long to soak my legs and filter water and then realized I was looking at about ten more miles to include the worst part of the Red Hills and it was nearly three. My rational side said, "set up camp here, hike out LF or Saddle Ridge tomorrow," however, my other side said, "quit making excuses and finish the original plan." I am not sure what it was, but I was really dreading the last half of the Red Hills. Out of paranoia of being too exhausted to complete the entire section and having to dry camp somewhere I carried way too much water. This weighed me down and annoyed me even more as several of the creeks and main valleys I crossed had running water in them. As it turned out, while my worries were warranted, I did just fine and to be honest felt the area did not seem as bad as it had before and I must give props to the horse(s) whose tracks I followed through the entire Red Hills section, a doable stretch, just may require more time and detail. Camped at the Verde where I was serenaded to sleep by cows, frogs, chickens, maybe peacocks, cats and perhaps even a species of monkey. A very lively river at night.

Day 6: 23.08 miles 4329 aeg

This was the one I was waiting for, the "easy" day. A nice early start, I don't think there is a better place to be in the world than a half hour before light in the mountains somewhere, just pure serenity. There were ankle breakers abound on this day of Whiterock and Hard Scrabble. A nice steady pace was all I tried to keep and I followed a liberal break plan, as I crawled into Pine. The final two sections were not my favorite, but they were also the last two sections of a 160 mile trek so they would have had to have been perfect to really capture my imagination. Nevertheless, I got through both of them and endured the lava rock tread and bland road. I did find the last few miles to be more redeeming with the scenic Oak Spring and Bradshaw tank area. It was a reunion at the trailhead with Jackie and the pups, Del Taco and then home.

Final Notes

I need to work on a better nutrition plan for these big ones. I simply did not bring enough caloric energy for the type of days I was doing and the amount of energy I was putting out. I need to go healthier and more efficient, just a good lesson to learn.

Karl played a huge role in getting me through those first four days, very glad to have him through there, he was missed later.

A good song to have stuck in your head while hiking is Passion Pit, "Take a Walk."

I can definitely go lighter on these ones too, I packed light, but by no means did I make any attempts to go ultra-light. In the future, that may be needed to knock out some of these more ambitious multi day treks.

The hardest days by far were Day four with its nearly 7000 feet gained and day five with its 27 legit miles through the Mazzies without as much as a foot of road relief until the very end.
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Wildflowers Observation Moderate
About normal to not so great, to really good in spots. Most action in the first few sections though.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Bear Spring - Fisher Quart per minute Quart per minute
Spring box full.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Bradshaw Tank 51-75% full 51-75% full

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Bullfrog Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
Did not observe spring area, but light flow in canyon and some of surrounding drainages..

dry Chillicut Spring Dry Dry
Very dry in area, trough in disrepair, might find a seep if lucky.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Cottonwood Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Cottonwood Creek Pools to trickle Pools to trickle

dry Crabtree Spring Dry Dry
Did not observe spring, but some light flowing water with small pools in wash near

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Oak Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Full trough, flow in wash, quality water.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Pigeon Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Spring box full, quality water, seeping out around base.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Pine Creek at Reavis Gap #117 Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Reavis Creek at Fireline #118 Medium flow Medium flow
Nice flow as usual

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Reavis Creek at Gap Trail #117 Light flow Light flow

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Reavis Saddle Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
A pool in area marked spring, not overly reliable though from my experience..

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Rogers Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Saddle Ridge Pasture Tank 51-75% full 51-75% full
Muddy and dirty.

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Sandy Saddle Falls Pools to trickle Pools to trickle
some pools, not much in way of flowing water.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Shake Spring Gallon per minute Gallon per minute
Medium flow in wash with several nice pools and small cascades.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Theodore Roosevelt Lake 51-75% full 51-75% full

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Walnut Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Spring box full, good quality water.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Walnut Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Box is full, quality water

water 1 out of 5water less than maxwater less than maxwater less than max Whitford Canyon Pools to trickle Pools to trickle

dry Windsor Spring Dry Dry
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AZT Supes-Mazatzal, AZ 
AZT Supes-Mazatzal, AZ
 
Backpack avatar Mar 12 2016
BiFrostTriplogs 1,257
Backpack107.24 Miles 21,444 AEG
Backpack107.24 Miles3 Days   9 Hrs   56 Mns   
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1st trip
Joined FOTG for some AZT sections starting at Picketpost TH heading northbound. He planned to do 6 days ending at Pine TH but I couldn't get all the time off work so hiked 4 days with him to Peeley TH before parting ways.

Day 1 - 30.04 miles 5,846 AEG

We started at Picketpost TH on the Reavis Canyon AZT section # 18. The first 10 miles is mostly desert walking but quickly changes once the trail drops into Whitford and then Reavis Canyon. There was water in several places between mile 10 and 13 of the section. Spring time was in full effect in the canyon with assorted wildflowers, lush green grass, and cottonwoods already filled out.

From there it was up Montana Mtn and quickly bagged Montana which is only tenth of a mile off the AZT. Then on the road over to Rogers Trough TH. No time to stop we continued on down Rogers Canyon and up to Reavis Saddle. Heading into Reavis Ranch area we passed probably 25 or 30 people camping along the valley. We headed up Reavis Gap trail and didn't see anyone after that making our way over to Pine Creek and then Walnut Spring which would be our camp for the night as it was getting totally dark.

Day 2 - 25.92 miles 6,045 AEG

Earlier start at 610 heading out across Two Bar Ridge in the Supes with great views of Four Peaks and Sierra Ancha. This section is rough by AZT standards but we made it past Pinyon Mtn and started the long descent down Cottonwood Canyon. Arriving at Cottonwood Spring we found good water and filled up. Cottonwood had several more good water options with pools and flowing water for about a mile after the spring. Once at the end of Cottonwood Canyon the trail exits onto road and then single track again as it traverses above Roosevelt Lake. This section is deceiving in that there is significant AEG and mileage added because of all the drainages and ridges that it crosses in route to Roosevelt Bridge. This part dragged on but we made the bridge and with no fan fare we headed straight up the hill on start of Four Peaks AZT #20. Running behind schedule it's is a tough climb up to Mills Ridge TH. Fortunately Kathy was nice enough to meet us at Mills Ridge TH with some water and snacks:-) We rested for almost an hour enjoying the visit before heading up the trail in search of a camp spot which ended up being Buckhorn Creek. To our surprise the creek was flowing and turned out to be a great camp spot.

Day 3 - 31.31 miles 4,756 AEG

Longest day for mileage so we broke camp 6 on the dot. Still had a lot of AEG to climb up Four Peaks but the views of the lake with sunrise were really awesome! Eventually we made Chillcut Saddle where the trail begins to traverse below Four Peaks. Some of the coolest views and hiking on all of the AZT. We traversed for about 6 miles seeing some water at Alder Saddle trail junction before dropping down on the north side of Four Peaks. Once the north side there was significant water with Shake Spring being the first one crossed. Shake was pretty much a river flowing very strong and we could still see a lot of snow up on Browns Peaks. After that there were at least 3 other drainages that had good flow but we continued on to Pigeon Spring taking a break and filling up. The spring box at Pigeon had very clear water.

After the break we headed out on 11.5 miles of road hiking along the El Oso road. After seeing very few people for 2 days we now had to share the road with ATV's and Jeeps. However, to their credit many of them asked if we needed anything like water etc. FOTG scored some extra sunscreen! The AZT finally leaves the road for single track and we had 8.3 miles to hwy 87 which just happened to be the location of our cache thanks to Kathy and Jackie who dropped us much needed resupply. By now it was dark so we grabbed the cache and looked for the nearest flat spot for camp.

Day 4 - 19.96 miles 4,764 AEG

A bit later start this morning but we needed the extra rest after long miles the day before. The first 5 miles of this section is old road so easy walking. Eventually it drops into a canyon on Little Saddle trail with the first water of the day at about 6 miles. Good pools and flow for about 3/4 mile. From there we gained significant AEG to Mormon Grove trail junction but after that there is a fast 4 mile section that traverses past Saddle Mtn. Next stop we dropped into McFarland Canyon and took a break. Good flow in McFarland with pools for about 1/2 mile before the trail leaves the canyon. From there trail gains about 1000 feet going over to Thicket Spring area. Didn't see any water at Thicket but we really didn't look around that much. Then it was up to the Peeley TH turn off where said goodbye to FOTG. He continued up the AZT Mazatzal Divide trail and I headed for the trail head. It was great and tough 4 days of hiking for sure...thanks FOTG!

Coordinating with Kathy she was my pickup on Peeley road but I walked some of the road until we met part way down. Interestingly a month ago on Feb 13th we did a Deer Creek hike and had to walk this same section of road but it was covered with 8 inches of snow and 15 to 20 trees were laying across the road. So they did a nice job removing all the downfall.
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Wildflowers Observation Moderate
poppies, lupine, glow mallow, Indian paintbrush

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Pine Creek at Reavis Gap #117 Light flow Light flow
light flow and small pools

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water less than max Reavis Creek at Fireline #118 Medium flow Medium flow
multiple pools

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Reavis Creek at Gap Trail #117 Light flow Light flow
good flow and small pools

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Reavis Saddle Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
clear water in the spring area

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Reavis Trail Canyon Light flow Light flow
light flow and small pools

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Walnut Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
good clear water at the spring source
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Pigeon Trail #134Phoenix, AZ
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Hiking5.99 Miles 1,397 AEG
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Had an opportunity to join Sredfield and some other volunteers on the Four Peaks segment of the AZT to replace some trail signs that had burned in last years fire, or were simply old and needed to be replaced.

It was a good day, and we managed to get four new signs placed. These things will last a while! The posts are fat and buried deep!

The sign at Shake Spring was a bit of a mystery as nobody had ever seen Shake Spring before, and there are no signs of any water. The fire had burned the hillside where the topo maps mark the spring, and sure enough, there's a spring box there along with a lot of barbed wire. But no sign of any natural groundwater. We put the sign up anyway since just below the spring is a drainage with a pretty reliable source of water. The drainage holds all the water that comes off of about a mile and a half of ridge that includes Browns Peak as the high point--basically the entire north side of Browns. So while the drainage isn't named, it regularly has flowing water. But it is not fed by Shake Spring, which is dry, and shows no signs of ever running again.

The barbed wire was a mystery too. Perhaps it divided old grazing land? It was strange to see a spring box built just 20 yards from such a reliable creek/drainage. :-k

There was nice water flowing in a couple of the other drainages as well. Nice to see that kind of water at this elevation after a winter with basically no snow melt.

HAZTracks worked great and didn't turn off for me despite long "breaks" when installing signs. Battery life was surprisingly awesome, until it went from 63% to 3% in about 5 minutes. Must have been an iOS/battery monitor anomaly. I turned it off as soon as I realized it had depleted so much. But that was at our last sign so I had a full one-way track on the out-n-back which was more than enough to get my stats for the day. Nice to have the squawking birds and the volume is better now too. Thanks Joe! :app:
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Pigeon Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Light flow, plenty of clean water in the spring box.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Shake Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
The spring itself is dry. The adjacent drainage had a very nice flow of water, cascades, and nice pools.
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Pigeon Springs LoopPhoenix, AZ
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JJ needed help getting his Jeep dirty and putting more miles on it, so I started looking for Hikes in the area. This seemed perfect!!! Plus I would have time to tease the Largemouth at the other end of the Shuttle.... :DANCE: Turns out I would only have one tease me.... : rambo :

I thought about chasing after JJ and starting my Hike on the same AZT segment he was starting on, which is also the Pigeon Trail. But I knew, with that portion of the Loop being a new Trail to me, I would be shooting too many pics and I would have fallen behind after the first 200 feet.... :sweat: Besides that, I have done the upper portion of the Four Peaks Trail, going up, twice already, and really wanted a fresh view, going down for a change.... :D Not that it really mattered, I pretty much found out that it's a Roller Coaster, either way.... :sweat:

So we parked the Jeep at the Pigeon TH and JJ shot down the Trail like a Rabbit on a mission, and I plodded up the road towards the Lone Pine Saddle like a Tortoise that just ate dinner... :lol: I was actually feeling pretty good after a kind of crummy week, so I was moving along at an ok clip, considering that it is uphill to the Saddle. I really didn't anticipate taking very many pictures on the Four Peaks portion since I've done it before. I even had a brief thought of trying to beat JJ to the Junction, and then giving him some s*** about it, but I soon found out that there would be no hope of that!!! :D

The Oaks are Peaking full force up there. :y: I got into some on the Four Peaks Trail, but most of the masses of them were further up. I think the Brown's Trail would have been the one to be on to put you right in the middle of them....But there were enough of them along the Four Peaks Trail to keep me busy....Sooooo, out came the Camera, and the Roller Coaster ride with pictures began. My thoughts of banging this Loop out at a nice pace were pretty much trashed. Pumpkin Oaks!!! They were cutting into my Fishing time!!! : rambo : :D

Looked for Bear Spring, but without a GPS, I just don't think you can find it, although I spent probably about 20 minutes or so in the area looking around where I thought it should be, according to the Topo...

60 pictures later, I finally got to the Junction. At that point JJ was probably already at Mill Ridge... :sweat: Up Pigeon Trail I go. The Oaks almost disappeared, but I actually got some nice shots of a Sycamore getting ready for winter...I also got to play with a couple of Tarantulas that were probably only about 300 feet apart, on the Trail. :) That was about the closest I got to any Fauna that I saw on this Loop. There were quite a few quick Lizards and a couple of skittish Woodpeckers....Lots of Butterflies still flitting around too, mostly Sulphurs that rarely land within 30 feet of you.

I kept expecting a big uphill on this Trail, with the AEG being what it is, but it never really happened. Pigeon was kind of a Roller Coaster too, on a smaller scale. I think the AEG is just spread out very nicely on this Loop with all of the ups and downs. :) Pigeon Trail is pretty nice too, but like Four Peaks, the Flora is in danger of overtaking the Trail in spots as well. Nice views of Roosevelt and the Vistas beyond and all of the sudden before I knew it, I was at Pigeon Spring and almost done with the Hike. The Springbox and Spring area were both dry. One short climb later and I was at the Jeep. That had to be one of the easiest 900 foot AEG Hikes I have ever done. I can only recall stopping twice because I was winded. Of course, the 85 picture set probably helped some too.... :roll:

This is a nice little Loop! I thoroughly enjoyed it, ended up taking my time, took a couple of little breaks, just to enjoy the area, more so than just needing the rest. If I was looking for just a small, nice Hike in the area, I would do this one again. : app :
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Four Peaks Mother LodePhoenix, AZ
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BobPTriplogs 3,212
Hiking10.70 Miles 4,139 AEG
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I woke up 2 hours late and decided to still give it a go. I left my house about 445am. The 2 eagles were overlooking the verde :y: on route to my destination . The route I chose for today was gonna be kinda difficult. My 1st motherlode was an MLDV with Joe and Chris(kinda difficult hike guy). This day started off with more problems. My bladder leaked from my Cholla incident on Friday. I lost 2 quarts of water and my bottom was wet. I had frozen water bootles in my pack and thought the wetness was from the condensation :doh: . So I had 3 1/2 liters and a Motherlode on steroids kinda day left.

I started on the AZT heading in the opposite direction from last time. I knew my occipital lobe would be in overload. It was so much so that I overshot my off-route area. The ridgeline up to Browns was ruggedly awesome with views that can't be expressed with words or pictures.

As I descended Browns, I heard voices and as I ascended 2 I saw two guys. We chatted for awhile and we decided to hike together. I was off and shortly after, one of the guys caught up and told me his friend bailed. I saw the other guy on and off from 2-4. We pretty much stayed together down to the mine and back to the car. The mine gate was open today...A first for me. When we got to the TH, his friend wasn't there. :scared: Hopefully there will be a happy conclusion, but we both felt he should have made it back way before us :pray:
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Four Peaks - AZT #20Payson, AZ
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Wow what a day!

i met up with bobby rocket feet and taco john to hike one of my most anticipated segments of the azt on what would be a perfect day weather wise

this segment has some definite maintenance issues along the four peaks trail segment with pretty significant overgrowth. route finding is no problem though. that issue is compensated for by perhaps the best views on the AZT (minus the inner gorge of the grand canyon) that accompany you in some form or fashion nearly the whole hike. Tough elevation gain also gives you plenty of opportunity to stop and take it in while trying to recover from your pending respiratory failure.

world class views + top notch company = signature day on the azt for frick :y: :y:

john and i put a hurting on a large pie at big daddys afterwards. what a way to finish the day :DANCE:

573.87 miles done. 30 segments in the books
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Four Peaks - AZT #20Payson, AZ
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JuanJaimeiiiTriplogs 2,400
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Ah yes another AMAZING Arizona Trail section. We met up at Lone Pine Saddle and headed on down to my favorite bridge in Arizona. From the Roosevelt bridge Passage 20 of the AZT takes off heading north on the Vineyard trail. It runs the full length of the Vineyard to Mills Ridge where this section continues on the Four Peaks Trail. All along the way the views of Roosevelt Lake and the Sierra Ancha are spectacular.

Then at times you get a vantage of Four Peaks that is so close and so powerful it feels as though you could reach out and touch them. As you continue on for miles you realize that they aren't really as close as they appear but that they are simply massive.

It was great to hike this one with Bob because just a short year ago he guided me on my first trip across ALL four of those peaks. Otherwise known as the Mother load!

It is also always good times hiking with Dr. Frick or is it Nick, or Dr. Fraley? Ah who cares! He is a cool cat and he likes pepperoni pizza so that goes a long way with me. :y: Speaking of that Nick and I went to Big Daddy's after the hike and made a pretty good dent in a large pie. Thanks for treating Nick! Next one is on me.
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I had extremely high expectations for this one.....and it didn't disappoint :y: . A few people told me it was their favorite overall section. The views were my second favorite views in all of Arizona. Seeing the 4 Peaks from this side was an eye popper and the lake views were awesome. But most of all, it was the company that made this section unforgetable. I only wish I had time to ponder what we had just accomplished...by joining the guys at Big Daddy's.

Looking forward to the next episode of As The AZT Diminishes.....
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This is one of the better AZT sections in my opinion. I may be a little biased as the Four Peaks Wilderness is among my favorites. The trail seems pretty straight forward to me. It is mildly overgrown, mainly in the middle parts. Nothing bad and luckily at this elevation hook type catclaw isn't an issue. There is plenty of a sharp straight needle variety, live oak and such so definitely wear pants. A few years ago there was a maze through willow type trees that must have been cleared out. Do beware of tiny fresh cut bush stumps constantly in the middle of the trail. Since I now what it was like before I didn't mind 'em too much.

The temps were good and several creeks were flowing with the thin snow pack. The views are awesome throughout. Unfortunately we spent a good portion of the upper section staring at our feet so we didn't slide off the snow. Not as bad as Mazzie Fisher Saddle Mar'10, not very deep either. Denny treated at Big Daddy's afterwards and that was awesome too :)

Stats are based on Bruce and I coming up with like results on TOPO!
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Arizona is all Cactus, Dirt, and Critters that can hurt you. I guess we were not in Arizona today.

The worst part of this hike was the beginning, where we were only afforded views of Roosevelt Lake and the Dam, Apache Lake and Apache Trail, and views of the Four Peaks. :D

The weather again was perfect for the hike. Temps started in the low 30's, but within the hour we were all in short sleeves. This hike starts with a relatively steep climb away from the lake. There was a lot of up on this hike. It was my first 7,000 AEG plus day!

We were slowed considerably by the aprox 6 miles of snow on the north facing parts of the trail. There was one 100' section that took about 20 minutes to get through. The snow was hard packed crusty ice. One slip would take you to places you really did not want to be. :o .

The upper 1/3 of the hike took you past and over small running streams, waterfalls, and even on 30' tall frozen waterfall. Pretty sweet!

Thanks to the funky bunch for another great day on the AZ Trail. I left the house at 4am and got back at 10 pm, so it was a FULL day!

We finished the day with some of the best Chicago style pizza I've had in Arizona. Big Daddy's Pizza in the Tonto Basin between the North end of the lake and Punkin Center. 33?50'12.30"N, 111?18'6.77"W. Thanks Denny.

We've now completed 17 passages, 316 miles, and 57,361 of AEG on the AZ Trail!
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water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Bear Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Lots of clear water running

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water less than maxwater less than max Granite Spring Quart per minute Quart per minute
Water was clear and the four foot round basin was full

dry Pigeon Spring Dry Dry
There is a 2' x 4' concrete enclosure that was dry.

water 1 out of 5water 2 out of 5water 3 out of 5water 4 out of 5 Shake Spring Gallon + per minute Gallon + per minute
Lots of clear water running
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mazatzalTriplogs 1,347
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Day 1:
Set up the shuttle then started about 1.5 miles north of FR 143 / 422 junction and went south to Pigeon Spr TH. From there we continued and camped at Shake Spr.

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Shake Spr to Granite Spr.

Day 3:
Easy hike out, stopped and explored the ruin areas.
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